From what I've been told, this is why Jeep/Ram prolonged the release of the Hurricane into the 1500, GC, JL, and Wagoneer because of the new ECM/ BCM that would go into the 23s. I'm glad they were able to get yours sorted out. For those not in the know, GMC Yukon 6.2L STILL have failing lifters and transmission issues. Lincoln Navigators deal with cam phaser rattles and other Ecoboost related issues. Toyota had brand new Sequoia and Tundras with turbo wastegate and interior quality issues. They ALL have issues. The GC and Wagoneer have an entirely new electrical architecture that is divorced from legacy Chrysler. Anytime there is a major change like that, it will inevitably introduce issues. And no, I'm not taking up for Chrysler since I own several, but I don't care for the fake outrage that is coming from fanboys of other brands.

In this case, from what they wrote. It wasn't the BCM. It had " faulty wiring". As a master dealership mechanic myself with 42 years on the job. That was probably a connector under the seat that wasn't plugged in all the way . Or a single pin had pulled out. Happens a lot. The BCM part was just a re flash because it lost power to the module.

That’s why I went with a base model Ram 1500 Classic. It’s been in production since 09 so it’s well sorted out and since it’s a Tradesman there’s less tech to go wrong.

Well said man ALL car have issues it dont matter what kind you have....remember people it's man made...JB keep up the good work man...great vid....

I like the fact that the tech was honest I hate when you go to the dealer with a issue and they act like you're the 1st one and they've never seen your issue before... but yea all vehicles have issues but Chrysler products have always been known for having the most issues no matter what model year it is.. that being said a Tahoe or Yukon would've been the way to go

Really appreciate your reviews. Looking at Wagoneer L series II for the family. 8 of my 9 last cars are Ram, really enjoy the driving of the truck. I know first year products are sometimes trouble, had a 2019 rebel and it was horrible with electronic trouble here and there. My 2022 does not have a single trouble, so I’m hoping they’ll do someting with the 2023 wagoneers! Thanks again!

I own a 2022 wagoneer series 3.. just like every one else had the same issue. Now I am battling with paint issues. The paint is chipping all over the vehicle. Hood,side panels, roof, back. Starts with small bubble and then starts to chip out causing the paint to peel off. Dealership and warranty not want to cover the repairs. 3 professional bodyshop have looked at the vehicle, all 3 have stated is a manufacturer defect. I believe is time for lawsuit. Wagoneers are very expensive vehicle for clients going through this issues.

Should have got a Yukon, LOL. (had to say it since you said not to) My 1989 Grand Wagoneer does not have a BCM, but it did come in its own faux wood box. Cant wait to see your upgrades.

Love the share . I believe the electrical issue will be resolve , but when that mechanic went undercarriage of it and ,pointed out multiple flaws in which it will come in fruition years later .. Im avoiding it because of the reliability seem not great after I watch his video .

Glad you got it fixed! Our Jeep is 4 months old and has 6k miles and no trips to the dealership. It’s one of the most reliable vehicles in the comments section, basically bulletproof 😂😂😂😂🇺🇸💪

Zero general motors bias in this fella .. 🤠

My brother had key fob issues. He had it for 6 months, and it has been back to the shop 3 times for the same issue. He pretty much just drives loaners

Our new grand wagoneer obsidian 3 has also been in shop more than we have had it. Engine lurches forward while sitting at light. Chyrsler is finally sending their engineers to try and solve. Engine light came in day 1. Very frustrating for car that cost over 100k. Also tons of electronics issues! Hoping to lemon law them and get something different

Yes you are correct however you still see plenty of 90s Tahoes and Suburbans on the road still today

We just got a 2023 Wagoneer L S3. Ours has a noise when pressing the brake pedal while driving. The sound is similar to bagpipes loosing air. The noise started randomly on day one and progressed. We had it in the dealer to fix and they gave us a loaner Wagoneer with similar spec. The loaner didn’t make the noise. The dealer replaced the brake assembly and the noise is still there. The engineers at Jeep told the mechanics at the dealer that the sound is hit or miss. Some make the sound and some don’t. For the price we paid, ifs very annoying and loud. Just wondering if we are the only ones experiencing it?

My new Silverado had so many issues! However they all do i guess.

I'm surprised I haven't run into you yet, we're in the same places quite a bit lol.. Good luck with the Jeep

You’re right about the Tahoe is they are plagued problems 22 High Country they still can’t fix it after 20,000 miles too expensive for what we have to go through

The wagoneer is a full on lemon. They are the suv to avoid they are terrible everyone usually trades right out of them in a few months. Good luck long term

Any idea on when the BCM is updated or how to tell if it’s update me or not? Is it just a model year thing or what can we look for?

I checked online and have seen only build quality issues but otherwise customer's are happy 😊

Thanks for the video on this. For years I have owned a Escalade, Denali or Tahoe for my business vehicle, trading every 3 years or so. I needed to trade my Tahoe last year for tax reasons but took the hit and plan on trading in 2023. I have been questioning another GM with the known valve train issues that apparently GM is ignoring. New GM trucks and SUV's having blown engines and they rebuild the engine under warranty instead of replacing with a crate engine. I have asked 3 salesmen if that issue has been resolved, neither would answer my question and all 3 tried to change the subject. Don't care to have a $90k+ SUV with 2500 miles and a "rebuilt" engine. I test drove 2 Wagoneers in Nov, a Series II that the ride was a downgrade from my Tahoe LTZ and a Series III with the air ride suspension which had a great ride. I don't like them as much as the GM SUV's but thought it may be an option if GM don't address the valve train issue in new vehicles. One thing that is minor to many but just annoyed me on the Wagoneer is the mirrors not folding in all the way, they get about 45 degrees and will hit the windows. That is a feature I use often in tight parking areas, especially on my Ram 3500, but that is pretty much useless on the Wagoneer. I was questioning the Wagoneer option because I feel like it's stepping down from the Tahoe High Country, Denali and Escalade, defiantly not going to consider it now with them having so many issues!

The seats most likely have a connection with the airbags which is connected to the ECM

How are the later models? Any updates? (2023 or 2024 year)

True all car manufacturers get problems, however the difference is what's the reliability like for the models/brand? And yep, doesn't help that it's a new model for jeep, who aren't really known for reliability. Might not hurt to look at getting that CPO Lexus/Toyota, used will save you headache and cost. You still will get a good warranty.

In-laws bought one. I lookup up the value it’s already lost 15k with 3k miles on it and 7 months old.

You’re making me want to pass on mine when it arrives.

It will get sorted out. That's why you shouldn't get the first year of a new model. (i.e. Ford Bronco)

What is the production month of your Wagoneer? Most of these issues are for early production models … mine is late Feb 2022 and so far has been quite reliable

I am thinking about getting a jeep wagoner as well. So many forums and reports of electrical issues and bugs. is it really true or just the vocal minority?

Personal opinion get a lease turn in or something pre-pandemic. With the supply chain issues they arr rolling vehicles out with lousy build quality. My F250 2020 is rock solid and I just made it in before the USA went crazy. Just an opinion.

I've turned wrenches for over 33 years and the bulk of my vehicles are toyotas, for good reason. When people ask me what to get as far as a vehicle, I just tell them to find out whats in for repairs the least, not maintenance, repairs. And in all the decades in other shops and my own business, domestic brands, in particular GM products, have consistently had the highest rate of repairs and recalls. I'm not going to bash any one brand, but I will say do alot of research before committing yourself to a car payment---oh, and never buy new, make some else eat the depreciation.

Lemon law bro. If the problem started the very day you picket it up off the lot then according to law you take it in and if the problem is not resolved then you have a legal right to a refund or replacement. I did with my Lincoln, it had only 63 total miles on it, and the service manager had to replace my entire car because the engine light persisted on and on and the service department couldn’t find the problem. At first they suggested on ‘tearing’ down the entire engine, but decided to ship the car back to the factory instead. I would not risk traveling long distance’s like that.

Well I’m going to be blunt with you, where this was a wiring issue that would concern me more than if the module itself was just bad. Parts fail all the time and it’s not too uncommon to get something brand new and it be faulty. But to have a wiring issue on a brand new vehicle is not a good sign. It’s possible something got pinched when they installed the seat or some other part but that should have blown a fuse if you had a ground from a wire being pinched. My money would be on a rodent problem. Have the Wagoneers been setting in storage lots after assembly waiting on parts? Anyways I’m glad they got you going and hopefully that will take care of it. However it’s been my personal experience that when a vehicle has problems early on they will continue to have problems. If it were mine it would be on a short leash and if something else comes up in the near future it would find another home.

I have always been told don't buy a new car that is in the first 2 years of a new model. always have problems.

Lol. I spent just under 10 years as a tech and I don't think I've ever met a tech for any brand that didn't love to talk about all the flaws of that brand. Techs (and dealers in general) have a distorted view of how common failures are since their literal job is to deal with them. People don't bring their car to the service dept to tell them how they aren't having problems.

Next time Google first any car you're going to buy and see the reliability on it I think the wagoneers are 2.4 which is super low on reliability😮

You work at xyz brand dealership and you will see xyz brand issues...

Let’s talk about my Macintosh audio issue I have in my grand Cherokee L

Trade it for a Sequoia. My 02 has 290k, no issues

What I hate is your vehicle sits outside on the lot for 2 weeks waiting for a solution.

Just wait until your engine grenades. I’m a tech at a Chrysler dealer, these things spend more in the shop than in the customers driveway. Electrical and mechanical, they are gonna be tech killers as well.

Keep ranks dead last in quality ratings. I had a Wrangler that lost a transmission on the way home from the dealership brand new.

Just like you said, EVERY CAR MAKE HAS IT'S PROBLEMS... especially with computers and control modules.. since the "covid bullshit " I am a hard GM guy.. and currently own 03 Cadillac DTS, 16 Silverado, 20 TrailBoss among others all except the TrailBoss with over 150,000 miles Still have the OE drive train.. so, it's just dumb luck.. for me. But the big problem was the covid issue, not being able to get exactly what they need and excepting anything they can get..even now I still can't get certain things in my shop.. Engines , turbos and yes .. BCM's right now people have to spend a little time doing research. Oh! and the EV's aren't without their problems either. 😏

Heres my thing, just like with the Range Rover. Non owners hate the Wagoneer, in general actual physical owners of the Wagoneer like it in general. Its the non owner that has such bad reviews

I am honestly shocked you would have bought this… they have notoriously been plagued with problems… and they’re ridiculously expensive for what you get.

Well, it IS a Jeep! 😄

Got rid of Charger years ago and will never buy another Dodge/Chrysler.

My dad alway told me don't buy the first year of and car that was just made

You would have been better off to buy a Toyota Land Cruiser🙏🏿❤️

Everything runs thru the BCM. Where gave you been since 2000. Lol.

We have a 23 Series 3. Cant stand it. The Uconnect is so slow, and terribly unreliable. The audio dropped twice. The screen has gone black twice. Half the option for the heads up display don't present. Dealerships don't seem to know much about this vehicle. We have the hurricane motor, and it drinks like an alcoholic. There is also a very annoying jerk when laying off the gas, and also when applying gas. you must go very softly on the peddle to avoid it. We also have to let it idle for a bit before leaving the driveway, because it will knock real hard when shifting to drive. Had it for a 50 days now. What a terrible experience so far.

Wagoneers are the shit - you just need to get one that was built in the 70’s.

For $85000 dealer can keep that shit

Find a cool old car and fix it up. Buy something exciting. As a car collector, and as time moves on, I will not be considering anything with this new type of body control module architecture. No matter how well you maintained it. I. Don’t. Want. It. Companies realized they could remove load wires and install signal wires and control everything with 27 computers that were all made in China. Oh boy that’s how subscription heated seats became a possibility and now you and OnStar can roll your windows down with your phone!!!11 Tesla realized this too. But in a different smarter way. Up the voltage, decrease the wire size. But as far as the big automakers. They implemented this crap to decide when their product will become obsolete.

I bought a 2018 jeep cherokee latitude back in 20. nothing but electric problems. I'll take videos of it when it happens. I'll take it to the dealer and guess what, they can never seem to find the cause of the problem. even with video evidence. I'll never buy a jeep again after I'm done with this one. what happens is all of a sudden every light and alarm that can go off on the dash will. the ding ding constantly going off will drive anyone crazy. 2 times while driving it stopped. stopped as in foot was pushing the accelerator, almost as if the accelerator was not communicating to the engine. had to pull over, or should I say coast over to the side of the road, turn off and turn back on. its frustrating the dealership can't fix the problems. this makes me want to stay away from America made vehicles.

Yeah. ALL AMERICAN cars got problems.

A Tech or Mechanic SHOULD tell consumers a brand is having problems out of their product! I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH YOU SAYING THEY SHOULDN'T! These manufacturers are multibillion dollar companies who can afford the hit majority of the consumers can not!

Guess you’re gonna have to get the wifey a f350/f450. 🤔😂

As soon as you leave the dealer lot, anything made by Crapsler check engine automatically comes on.

Great video, but you should’ve known better than buying an overpriced Chrysler. Don’t give us the old “every manufacture has problems” argument.

Broooo,,, go yukon ;)

Those things are just terrible. You definitely got a lemon 🍋, they all are. Keep it until the warranty is gone and ditch it.

A cummins is one thing but the rest of the Chrysler products are dog shit haha. Get her a 4runner and don't look back.

Well it’s a Chrysler fiat product. They are at the bottom of the barrel. No surprise. Waste of money, especially since they have the worst resale value. Ask any tow truck and they always tell me jeeps are on the hook more than any other vehicle

Why would u get a jeeeep like 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

It’s a Jeep thing get used to it!

Should have bought a Toyota... Mopar is garbage!

I don't feel sorry for people who don't buy Toyotas and Hondas. If you don't know better by now, then you deserve what you get.

Get a Toyota