Outlaws of Thunder Junction Precons: Worst to Best

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@zakbrooks7354 Ай бұрын

I can't wait for the desert precon. I always wanted to build hazezon, but I didn't think there was enough deserts to warrant it. It's gonna be my first thunder junction buy

@NitpickingNerds Ай бұрын

Super glad they're expanding on Deserts!

@klaxbloom7613 Ай бұрын

Yo forreal! I actually wasnt planning on buying any precons and wanted to get a bundle but now........

@Just.Arguing 29 күн бұрын

Desert has been Snows awkward cousin for too long.

@zakbrooks7354 29 күн бұрын

@@Just.Arguing I'd almost say that deserts are getting to be better than snow lands

@jthrone7768 Ай бұрын

The fact they named the spell in the vampire cowgirl’s deck “We Ride at Dawn” instead of “We Ride at Dusk” pisses me off.

@exile6129 5 күн бұрын

Glad to know I'm not the only one who thinks this.

@bakaronii Ай бұрын

I can't wait to tweak Most Wanted to use Vihaan for a treasure build. I feel it will really pop off that way.

@mutrad5 Ай бұрын

Got most wanted from pre release at my lcs and made it into a vihaan token deck and its really fun

@Beckola44 Ай бұрын

I pre-ordered the 4 Thunder Junction Pre-cons for $129.99 from our LGS. I like the Olivia Commander card but maybe it would fit better in a Vampire deck. Vihaan is a good Commander. Gonti is very good. Stella Lee is better than I thought. Thank you for the video Mia and Beezy.

@LordDrieg Ай бұрын

Your review just makes me even happier than I was before. I was so excited when I saw the Quick Draw deck reveal & now that I know the commander has ways of going 🤯 INFINITE! 🤯 I'm beyond hyped! (Might even be a first cEDH deck for me. ) I bought all four decks but for sure the only one I'm opening on release will be Stella Lee!

@Ike98250 Ай бұрын

I can confirm how smooth and synergistic Quick Draw is! I nearly drew my whole deck using Stella's copy while Niv-Mizzet, Parun was in play for an explosive win. Crackling Spellslinger on a Treasure Cruise with a Mizzix's mastery in my hand for my next turn made everyone scoop (when I dropped the Mastery on my next turn).

@cptregalz8091 Ай бұрын

Dang. That spellslinger looks sick. Also, can Beezy try to say the dragon shield ad a little faster? Gotta save time these days. Great work as always, thank you both ❤

@Wells13555 Ай бұрын

Desert bloom is missing a big add from wilds of eldraine. Blossoming tortoise. That card feels like it was custom made for that deck.

@yosefzanerva806 Ай бұрын

Void Attendant? Oh, that's from Battle for Zendikar! I bought a fat pack for it back in the day.

@lefteron6804 Ай бұрын

Does the new vampire deck work well with the previous one?

@kalemroseland7973 Ай бұрын

I actually don't have a landfall commander deck and have always wanted one so I might get the desert one. The spellslinger one looks cool but I bought a previous spell slinger deck and never ended up playing it sadly

@martinithechobit Ай бұрын

Thanks yall.

@blaze556922 20 күн бұрын

Some really cool cards and the artwork in this set is next level

@UnreasonableOpinions Ай бұрын

The ideal inclusion for Yuma would be Altar of Dementia. For just two mana with him out, sacrifice a cactus to mill four, and every land that flips bits you another token for more mill. You’re going to exceed Hermit Druid levels of mill, and with token doublers you’ll have enough bodies to turn the Altar on other pkayers and just remove them too.

@goblinspy Ай бұрын

Not every land will continue the chain. It has to be a Desert. Still pretty good but I believe you will probably whiff more than you realize.

@UNIVERSESBEYOND Ай бұрын

Quick Draw is by far the most balanced deck! Some good reprints and great new cards!! I’m going to be deconstructing it and putting singles into my other spellslinger decks (such as Lord of the Nazgûl) as I’m not a massive fan of the commander!

@Wojtek36762 Ай бұрын

I’m without a spellslinger deck since taking Kykar apart, I’m gonna build it. Precon seems worth it for new cards, Niv and Veyran. Strongly considering switching Stella out for the prowess otter already previewed from Bloomburrow once that set lands.

@dimitriid Ай бұрын

27:44 How did you figure 20 to 30 cards? My guess is that you're considering things that are more than just a one card combo like Refocus because I could only find like 3 cards that are 1) Instant or Sorcery 2) Can uptap Stella 3) Can draw a card. And btw this isn't a criticism but a legit question: I might change my Niv-Mizzet//Thassa's Oracle deck to Stella//Thassa's Oracle given how she is *much easier* to cast so on a deck that already it's dedicated to fast mana cedh this can be a turn 1 combo deck.

@devan9197 Ай бұрын

Theres 5 ways to draw your deck although 2 are on the next upkeep so play the card that gives everything flash. Besides that theres 2 or 3 cards that just win the game and 2 or 3 that generate infinite mana. It could be interesting to have a cedh deck but idk if you wanna be playing such bad cards that don't do anything without the commander.

@weihaigoh9734 Ай бұрын

I can use any type of mana mean I can use colorless mana to cast it. Gonti give 1 cost reduction and Doc Aurlock give 2 cost reduction cast from exile so I can cast 0 mana for the spell cost mana 3 or less, am I correct?

@jacobreserved2144 27 күн бұрын

Yussurrr.

@patricklynch4074 Ай бұрын

Ive been wanting to build hazezon since before the precon was announced. Desert bloom felt like the universe throwing me a bone

@vapixdarmana4428 Ай бұрын

BFZ was the first time I ever played standard, of course I know the void attendant.

@Khaion Ай бұрын

Rassilon, the War President from the Dr Who decks is going in my version of Gonti. I was building him as a commander, but Gonti gives me another discount and access to green.

@klaxbloom7613 Ай бұрын

I like how you break these down. Very well organized and awesome way to explain for different types of players.

@pistolpete7422 Ай бұрын

Need to target Stella, greaves is a huge non-bo

@blaze556922 20 күн бұрын

I think Command Tower is one of the best choices they have ever made. What's the harm in having a land that can tap for all the colors in your commanders color identity?

@Tarknaal Ай бұрын

Can someone explain the Stella Lee/Twisted Fealty infinite more? I get that after playing 2 spells you will copy fealty, but how do you get infinite wicked roles? shouldn't you just have 2?

@joshuarudling2102 Ай бұрын

I was confused at first untill i read the gain control of target creature and untap it part lol

@ryanmoye6951 Ай бұрын

for the last one i'd think rod of absorption. to hold instants and sorceries after uses to hit big later

@icecap7484 26 күн бұрын

It's interesting when some people talk about Stella Lee and how easy it is for her to go infinite. Look up the old Kamigawa arcane spells. Look up Splice Onto Arcane. Then look up Psychic Puppetry. One additional blue mana when casting ANY arcane spell will go infinite. Land destruction, burn, draw, mill, life gain, creature buffs, they do it all. Stella can win commander games on turn 3.

@TheFranchise83 Ай бұрын

The will probably bring processors back. They foreshadow in decks sometimes.

@CorrinUwU Ай бұрын

Hello, most wasted is the worse of the 4th? im gonna start commander for the firts time and i dont really know which one really choose for start >

@strangejace9341 Ай бұрын

I wouldn't really worry about which one is the strongest or weakest. The great thing about commander is that you can always upgrade and tweak decks you want. I'm not going to say that the value is always worth it but it also depends on your playgroup because commander isn't an easily balanced format. So if that's the one that you like most go for it! I will be picking up that one, the quick draw, and the grand larceny one myself.

@Phe0nix1986 Ай бұрын

Just buy one thats affordable & not over priced.

@joshuarudling2102 Ай бұрын

I think it would be a good one for a new player. My playgroup is probably 2 years old now but most players have focused on decks that dont rely on combat and they dont have a good grasp of when/how to attack and block etc.

@typicaltilly2535 11 күн бұрын

I'm playing Desert Bloom and its pretty good.

@krisdaschwab912 Ай бұрын

I bought Most Wanted and Grand Larceny. I have a kid named Olivia, so I'm obligated to grab this and try to make it work. As for Grand Larceny, I already had a deck like this but in grixis. It's 12th doctor with Clara Oswald running on black. The idea is basically the same: Steal my opponents' stuff, use it against them, and get political gain while making copies. I'm taking the relevant cards from this precon out and putting them into the Grixis shell I already have. Then I'll be making a Felix combat damage deck out of the spare parts. Pozdrawiam z Polską.

@sneaky847 Ай бұрын

Ik it’s a decent bit of mana but xanathar, Guild kingpin would be a good add to gonti

@remogaming791 Ай бұрын

would the two of you consider making a cedh video? I would love to see yall talk about a different variation of the format

@kismet8010 Ай бұрын

eww sweaty cedh

@remogaming791 Ай бұрын

@@kismet8010 or consider that having different power level decks leads to a more diverse play experience 🥱

@kismet8010 Ай бұрын

@@remogaming791there's nothing interesting about turn 2-3 wins or watching someone play solitaire 🥱

@kismet8010 Ай бұрын

@@remogaming791there's nothing interesting about turn 2-3 wins or watching someone play solitaire 🥱

@JackOropeza Ай бұрын

😂 this is a cedh channel

@boochaca7957 Ай бұрын

ngl, im getting gonti for a few upgrades to my Don Andres deck.

@dimitriid Ай бұрын

I was kina happy when both Ixalan and Karlov Manor had really strong commander decks thinking maybe it's here to stay...But nope, we're strictly back to 'Meh' territory

@whostoblame1 Ай бұрын

Exactly. I also thought this will be a new era. Well ... Saving money 👌

@justinmorsch3208 Ай бұрын

Aside from the dimir surveil Precon from MKM, I thought the commander decks from MKM were pretty bad. I feel like OTJ is much better than those, but obviously LCI had incredible precons

@RvBnerd618 Ай бұрын

Honestly after Zendikar Rising I thought precons will be like that during Covid 19, but nope. Learned to not get your hopes up when Wizards come up with a good formula.

@topiask5315 Ай бұрын

@@justinmorsch3208 Blame game from MKM is quite possibly the best precon so far.

@mrjey3434 Ай бұрын

@@justinmorsch3208the Deep Clue Sea precon was also above average, but Blame Game and Deadly Disguise were bad

@coryledwitch6492 Ай бұрын

I specced on Stella Lee full art non-foil at $5 a pop. MP was at around $8.5 and ML $7. I bought 5, and I'm hoping it'll get to $10 and I'll double my money. But I don't think she'll go very far under $5 at all. We'll see!

@adamholcomb1906 Ай бұрын

That was a “Back to the Future”movie reference you made. It was the Under the Sea dance scene in the movie 👍🏼👍🏼💯

@WaterNinjaFrog Ай бұрын

Dockside and smothering tithe go crazy in the outlaws deck

@Dragetsuyatamiki Ай бұрын

Life insurance also counts your opponents stuff so discounting it for only proc’n your stuff is inaccurate. I will agree though that its mana cost is too high and should’ve been a 4 cmc at most.

@hanzsantos2820 Ай бұрын

I'm a new player can someone explain how the twisted fealty combo works on stella lee?

@Marcibarti Ай бұрын

You need to cast at least two spells before Twisted Fealty. Then you cast it. Before it resolves you activate Stella‘s ability to copy a spell and you choose Twisted Fealty for it. The copy resolves and you choose Stella as your target. As the copy resolves, Stella untaps and gets a Wicked Role. Now you activate her ability again to copy Twisted Fealty again (because the spell itself is still on the stack). Process repeats and as Stella gets a new Wicked Role, your opponents lose one life each time. Repeat until you‘ve won.

@pancakeburglar9361 Ай бұрын

I’m getting the Most Wanted deck while I’m excited to build around Olivia. The deck is definitely too unfocused, definitely cutting the life gain sub theme and the mediocre outlaws in the deck for some more treasure generators and better outlaws.

@NitpickingNerds Ай бұрын

The deck could definitely slap if given a face lift!

@Dieonceperday Ай бұрын

I actually like the lifegain, especially with two reanimator creatures that like lifegain. First thing I cut is the politics cards, which i suppose are there for if you wanna make marchesa your commander. Adding some discard to get things in the yard to get back or encore with fixer.

@willstebbins5338 Ай бұрын

For what it’s worth, Dockside is also an Outlaw lol

@NitpickingNerds Ай бұрын

Guys we broke it

@herman1850 Ай бұрын

Pitiless plunderer is, too! Sac your creature treasures and get treasures back. :)

@caghuama Ай бұрын

@@herman1850 add crime novelist to make more mana

@LeonJohnson-yi3hg Ай бұрын

The angel sellsword is legit

@NitpickingNerds Ай бұрын

Seems pretty solid to us too

@coryledwitch6492 Ай бұрын

Seems like the stats are not quite there, it should be a 5/5, or at least a 5/4 so it can swing and get the mercenary buff to draw a card on the next turn. And before you go on about anthems and lords and all those other things, my comment assumes the card in a vacuum. This is not going to turn out how many think it will.

@oneechanknowsbest615 Ай бұрын

Damn I really wanted Olivia... Stella Lee looks cool too though...

@TheUltimateRey Ай бұрын

I think Plasm capture is great on a budget not everyone can afford mana drain and there’s already a lot of 5 mana counter spells with upside so this being 4 mana is actually reasonable

@LordDrieg Ай бұрын

I think the dislike for Plasm Capture is the number of pips & not necessarily its CMC. 5 CMC counters like Access Denied, Spell Swindle, Mystic Confluence have 2 color pips + 3 generic so the thinking isn't I have to hold up more specific mana, just more mana in addition to the 2 pips. Plasm Capture & similar counter spells that require multiple color pips means you're restricted in not just the mana you have to hold up, but the actions you can take on your turn in order to reserve that mana.

@TheUltimateRey Ай бұрын

@@LordDrieg it’s simic tho that’s not hard to do at all

@JayAndNightASMR 22 күн бұрын

I think all of the alt commanders are better than the face ones. But the fave ones probably look better on the box

@goodtaste2185 Ай бұрын

I loved both of your appearances on Game Knights recently!

@DigitalinDaniel Ай бұрын

I like the Desert Bloom the most just for the theme alone, but I hope I can get a non-foil regular-border Yuma or I'm not gonna bother. :^) While not crazy good, I'm really glad they reprinted the Fallout filter-lands already with better art and flavor-text! :D

@liveanotheranime3526 Ай бұрын

Whatever team put together the Ixalan precons got fired by Wizards for having too much value and synergy. I like Gonti and spellslinger the best. And someone on team obviously favored spellslinger jamming so many value cards into it. Biggest two disappointments was new Olivia is BORING and the desert precon doesn’t focus really on deserts much or cactus plant folk.

@josephmiick8683 Ай бұрын

nekusar loves wind fall lmao

@yellowed_mind4948 Ай бұрын

Best 1st place quick draw 2nd place grand larceny 3rd dessert bloom 4th most wanted Worst

@smackyfrog6046 Ай бұрын

You guys should go watch Back to the Future.

@amityosifovich1805 Ай бұрын

im ganna type this before watching the video: unless quick draw is best, i am mad.

@burningprodigy Ай бұрын

Just be careful with Lightning Greaves on Stella because it doesnt play well with Twisted Fealty

@NitpickingNerds Ай бұрын

True, boots might be better

@JulioLenin88 Ай бұрын

Olivia (and the deck overall) is such a disappointment. As someone without Edgar Markov, I had hopes she could be a more affordable alternative for a murdu commander vampire. She only needed to say "When one or more Vampires OR outlaw..." to be what I expected.

@TristanEason6 Ай бұрын

I run a Mardu Vampires wedding deck with Edgar. But it's all about the bride and groom, with all the vamps to be sacrificed to the party, (along with everyone else's stuff.) It's such a fun deck to play. Sadly, I haven't recruited any new vampires since Crimson Vow. It even has the bride and groom's wedding equipments with the carrage taking them away. They missed the boat with the new Olivia.

@zionenjames Ай бұрын

@@TristanEason6 would it be possible to see your decklist? I love olivia and I was thinking of making a rule 0 bridegroom deck

@TristanEason6 Ай бұрын

@zionenjames ok I got it up on mtggoldfish, it's called Edgar wedding Vampires. By TristanE. It's supposed to be around a 7-8 PL.

@zionenjames Ай бұрын

@@TristanEason6 thanks for sharing!

@discoviolenza1984 Ай бұрын

I'm tired of seeing Field of the Dead and Glacial Chasm in commander decks. It's time to start running Blood Moon and Ruination in all of my decks .

@NitpickingNerds Ай бұрын

Gotta fight fire with fire

@KonwTheTrut Ай бұрын

Just pulled a blood moon the other day

@davidcapano9996 Ай бұрын

I feel like everyone who reviews the desert bloom deck always misses the mark by not mentioning hew the entwood as an include, it's such a sleeper hit for this deck and budget friendly as most copies are under a dollar

@GeneralGGD Ай бұрын

It's kinda like a much worse scapeshift, unless you're taking a chance at getting free artifacts, but not sure what you'd aim for there. Very good chance to whiff too, which would cost the game. Now I suppose you COULD use it to sac all lands and fill board with 4/2's for one last assault, but there's better ways to do that

@bryandegroat857 Ай бұрын

Desert bloom seems the most fun, quick draw seems boring.

@seifeldeensameh6661 Ай бұрын

A crime have been committed , where are the cowboy hats 🤠🤠🤠

@lorenzomarquez9122 Ай бұрын

16:35

@davidportnoy3237 26 күн бұрын

What you think is the worst deck, I see as the best deck. I feel most wanted is the strongest deck in the set.

@AkmalGameAtion Ай бұрын

Stella is bonkers

@Nephalem2002 Ай бұрын

I really wanna pick up QuickDraw because the Storm Deck looks NUTS.

@skulletorable Ай бұрын

I have to say, these precons have kinda disappointed me compared to recent releases. Maybe it is personal bias but they seem… boring? The spellslinger deck seems fun, but again personal bias I don’t like decks that care more about non-creatures. The others just seem… eh. Idk, maybe once I play them I’ll find them fun

@starstriker4960 Ай бұрын

Can’t wait to get most wanted, scrap it for parts completely… that’s about it

@b-town_bravo3704 Ай бұрын

I turned this precon into vihaan as the commander and it's broken 😅😂

@99redggs42 9 күн бұрын

It really feels like this video is biased and not based on stats but rather on personal preferences.

@yubeluchiha Ай бұрын

Olivia, Opulent Outlaw Flying, lifelink, Deathtouch Whenever one or more outlaws you control deal damage to a player, create that many Treasure tokens equal to the damage rounded up. (Assassins, Mercenaries, Pirates, Rogues, and Warlocks are outlaws.) {3}, Sacrifice four Treasures: Put two +2/+2 counters on each creature you control. Activate only as a sorcery. If they fix her like this ❤

@zionenjames Ай бұрын

Whenever a vampire or outlaw does combat damage... is better

@sonkal-elkent6143 Ай бұрын

I don't care that the Most Wanted is the worst - I can't NOT get the Mardu deck 😂

@errinscroggins291 Ай бұрын

When it comes to Mia, we never forget the top half ❤ 28:22

@catseyes2334 Ай бұрын

80085

@catseyes2334 Ай бұрын

+1+5

@catseyes2334 Ай бұрын

😂

@ericthordarson7557 Ай бұрын

Go touch grass

@errinscroggins291 Ай бұрын

@@ericthordarson7557 it’s a compliment btw

@noprobro5825 Ай бұрын

Battle for zendikar

@daggercatz7297 Ай бұрын

Stella Lee seems like its gonna be by far the strongest commander wizards has ever printed. Like Niv Mizzet Curiosity looks weak in comparison to this

@jayjayhooksch1 Ай бұрын

Stella Lee seems fine to me. No haste means you need to untap with it and being only in izzet is a bit limiting. What about it screams powerhouse to you?

@mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299 Ай бұрын

Vihaan Goldwaker is the Goldmember of MTG, they just want all the Treasure to accomplish their evil machinations. Goldmember: ''I love gold! The look of it! The smell of it! The taste of it! The texture! I love gold so much that I lost my genitalia in an unfortunate smelting accident. Hence the name... Goldmember'', Austin Powers Goldmember :P LOL

@nolifeSnorlax Ай бұрын

Gonti is the worst deck by a mile… all new cards are complete trash…. expect the wrath. The graverobber skeleton thingy is a draft common like wtf are those cards xD