Because they never thought about it.

Xd

they just don't care

They didn't forget. The country still has a very macho homophobic atmosphere. Most gay people are in the closet.

Sv Vr according to the surveys, over 80% of Swiss people support gay marriage. Doesn’t seem very homophobic

lol

Rhalala... Les suisses 🤣🤣🤣

Exactly looool

I don't see anything wrong with it, I hope I can get to k ow you better ?

Even in wars their neutral. They’re not wrong, they juz wanna stay out of conflicts. Which makes them the coolest country.

@@_blank-_ Uhhh basic compassion and empathy?

anonym in that logic, why would i care about black people being shot because of their skin color and people all over the world starving? it’s their problem anyways right?

@Theme Fresh The people who don't get married don't get married because they either don't want to (a choice), they can't find a suitable partner (forced marriage would be in violation of the other person's right thus not valid), or they are too young to consent. Other than that marriage is a right, and banning gay marriage would be discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and also sex (if man A and woman B want to marry woman C, but only Man A can marry her because he is a man and B is not, that is discrimination on the basis of sex/gender) Marriage is recognised in the international declaration of human rights, so is anti-discrimination before the law on the basis of sex. If marriage cannot be banned for straight people, it ought not be banned for gay people

@Theme Fresh I'd also like to add, human rights are simply agreements between people. If we all got together and decided french fries were a human right they totally could be. I think in a legal sense the concept of human rights is certainly useful to prevent say unlawful executions, but just because something in not recognised as a right does not make it unneccesary or immoral.

@Theme Fresh Could you explain why you think it shouldn't be respected/fought for?

old people dont worry

That wasnt his point. He meant that marriage is for starting a family, hence having kids. If you just want to spend your life together as partners, thats what partnership is for. Still doesnt make sense, because in that case straight couples who dont want kids shouldnt marry either and partnership and marriage are pretty much the same things, just that people always striving for a fancier name. P.s. I am pro gay marriage and adoption 100%. Just wanted to point some things out.

@@pppLT19 My point is: obviously, when you only want a childless union, then there's no difference between marriage and union. But the reason why so many gay people want marriage is because they want to adopt/have a child or have the benefits that come with marriage. I personally think homosexual people should have that right. Why shouldn't they? And also, whether gay people have that right or not doesn't have any impact on married heterosexuals, so I don't understand why people would be against it. Thing is, one cannot decide what is necessary for other people.

Aušrinė Vilimaityte no, domestic partnerships and marriage are COMPLETELY different if you look at it from a legal perspective. like if your spouse dies you inherit, if you’re in a domestic partnership you don’t and so on and so forth...

Agreed, he should just shut the fuck up because what he says is not needed here

IamKaspian we have smth called pacs, it works a bit differently but it’s basically like marriage

It’s sad but Switzerland is always late with things like this.

@C R of course, but it's something. It could be better

Gonna cry?

marco marco Fuck you.

Olivia Reller lol the Swiss German r conservatives dickhead

That's not what liberal means

@@toitoinepariate9903 do you live in Switzerland? I dont really think that places like Zurich, St. Gallen oder Basel are particularly conservative

@@noahkanku8139 Well Not the cities

I live in the most eastern canton and most people are supporting gay rights, as seen by the very good results from the last initiatives

i do the same, but i read french subtitles even when theyre speaking english too!

I felt that

Hello how are you doing today, I hope we can get to know each other better ?

Levent A actually the French speaking part is much more liberal on every topic (women, immigration, the EU...) so they would likely be more pro-LGBT than German Switzerland

@Levent A Germany and German Switzerland is not at all the same thing. Cities like Basel or Zürich are quite liberal and open minded, but rural mountainous areas can be very conservative and ignorant. Appenzell for example didn't have women's voting rights until 1990. And when you mention that topic to them they will still start arguing against women's voting rights.

@Levent A No they're sadly not

Same. Im not gay but people often say I look lesbian and sometimes mistake my sister as my girlfriend :/ . Im really asexual tho

Kit-ana22 Fellow-Kitty yes

Just because you can't marry here doesn't automatically mean you are not safe here, I'm outed and I live perfectly safe and although I think marriage is in general a stupid thing I definatley will vote for yes as soon as the initiative has been through parliament.

yeah...alas, and my dad's family is from eastern switzerland too so I was hoping it'd be LGBTQ+ friendly.

@@nkelly5851 most people I met the past 25 years were open and didn't care for my sexuality, which is also the reason why marriage for same sex partners isn't legal yet: people and yes I am talking about the LBGTQ community here as well, are lazy and noone ever before put an initiative on. The swiss don't care for marriage unless it helps them paying less taxes.

I am polish lesbian. That's mostly true 😓

rockingalvin2012 lmao I didn’t even realize the pun at first

@@isabella.pl_00 yeah me too lol it's hard, you get fetishized by man and looked down upon by str8 girls that think youre automatically into them

@@johnmark150 I don't want to burst your bubble, but i've lived in Zürich with my Swiss partner, not one person was homophobic.

@@marcomasterson8228 Maybe some people you know are not homophobic. So why is same sex marriage still illegal in Switzerland?

Marco Masterson thank you 😊 🇨🇭

@@johnmark150 The Swiss haven't got around to passing the bill I guess. A few years ago same sex marriage wasn't legal in Australia either, even though most of the population supported it. On the other hand, many Latin American countries have same sex marriage, but a large portion of the population has a negative view of homosexuality, and rejects it. Politicians and laws don't always reflect the people they represent.

Marco Masterson that’s very kind from you to say thank you so much

The ethnic group of swiss are ALL swiss people. We are not german, french, italian. We speak the languages but other than that we have the same culture.

FireyKitten Being Swiss is a nationality, not ethnicity. It’s similar to us in Britain: we have English, Welsh, Scottish and Irish (and Cornish as well if you consider it a group). Each hold a distinctive language and cultural-historical background, but we are all British nationals. Being British isn’t an ethnicity since it is a title unifying the separate peoples of the British isles (including Northern Ireland) into a confederacy under the same national identity with cultural and historical significance. The same goes for Switzerland, which is a confederation of separate people-groups unified together under a single nationality, not ethnicity.

@@NewNicator Well it's not really like that. There are cantons/places that speak 2 languages. Ethnicity is as far as I read, a group of people who identify with each other, we have mostly same ancestry, history, society, our culture etc. The difference are the languages. The rest we share. And NO ONE who is swiss does not matter what language (dialekt) we speak is german, french, italian etc. The cantons have been together/having same rules etc. From 1291 on.

Come to greece hunny

@@vaggelistoubos3451 are there homophobic boomers in greece that i will hate so much?

@@franklantic pretty much all of them are, yeah

@@vaggelistoubos3451 did they skip greek mythology somehow? lol.

@@franklantic they did, most of them didn't go to school, but I mean these are not stuff that you learn at school anyways. Im surprised you know about what was happening in ancient greece

@@_blank-_ How can suicide be illegal? They gonna put my dead body in jail? lol

le raisonnement par l'absurde

@@orochisama1988 Failed suicide attempt?

@@skella17 So do u think ppl who wanna die are gonna get better by putting them in prison? At that point you're just torturing them dude

Gracias de corazón, Deary. Te mandamos un fuerte abrazo ;)

Bah si enfaite. Ça s'appelle une démocratie. Où l'opinion des gens compte.

@@gutsjoestar7450 Les droits humains ne sont pas discutables. Y a pas vraiment de mystère... c'est des droits humains. On est tous égaux

@@quiquealbert3075 c'est pas un droit humain le marriage gay, contentez vous d'être légalisé , car ça m'énerve un peu, là je suis totalement opposé au marriage, c'est pas un droit, vous êtes pas égaux par rapport à ça , c'est un pêché d'être homosexuels et le marriage c'est sacré, l'homosexualité cette peste n'as rien à faire avec le marriage, Un peuple a le droit de disposerer de son fonctionnement si un peuple est loyaleà leur culture, croyances, ils ne devrai pas se plier a des conformité d'homosexuels , Il y a des pays, où si vous voulais parler chinois avec votre pédéisme, vous seriez tué on vous laisse le droit de exister, et c'est comme ça que vous remercier une société largement équitable pour des minorité ça montre que la gentillesse ne marche pas,

@@quiquealbert3075 Il ya aucune différence ,

@@quiquealbert3075 La légalité c'est assez, n est pas tous égaux , ont donne pas le droit de vote aux -18 ans ou aux immigré , il y a quelque temp les femme n'étaient pas autorisé de voter aussi donc on est pas tous égaux c'est vou suqi crée cette idée, en réalité ce qui est légal ou pas, c'est pas ce qui es tle plus juste et rende tout le monde content, le but c'est quand même de rester sérieux un moment; et continuer une existence digne en tant que nation respecter les normes, si tu veux les changer donne moi une raison valable, et même , pourquoi devons nous t'écouter si t'es pas content tu peux te casser,

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Yup

why do you start talking about sweden?

Sad 😔

@@lonelyhetaliafangirl4936 why sad?

It’s weird that some people are like, “doesn’t matter to me” . If it doesn’t matter, that means Yes, legalize it. So they can decide if they want to get married.

Ja, natürlich können wir Deutsch ;)

I totally agree, same here in Turkey. Old generation has so much hate and believes that they call ‘culture’. But younger generation mostly is more educated and open. I have a gay friend who just came out and even though there are some guys still are homofobic they couldn’t say anything bad because most of us were very supportive through him.

@@_blank-_ what logic are you using? how can transgenderism and womens' right not co exist?? women's right is about equity and equality, about not enabling them and not opressing them. transgenderism is literally just a person transitioning to another gender. some even have surgery. they are two completely different things.

Well, it's good to homossexual People have the same rights of heterossexual People but we need moderation, Pretty much every moviment with good ideas is destroyed by Young elitists and their progressive minds.

Makoto Katsuragi their should be no moderation, if heterosexual people have it, then homosexual people should as well. By denying homosexual people the rights that heterosexual people already have then they are second class citizens in their society. Also, you know being a kind and compassionate human being for people that are different from yourself is what the world needs.

The stupid millennials you mean? Who loves everything and stands for nothing? I swear, we could easily have skipped that generation. Luckily the new generation born after 2010 will see a different world and have a more correct view on things in life.

That's because our political system is sluggish as hell. The bill to introduce gay marriage has been pending for years now.

See, this is the problem with today's pro-gay activism in the West (since an overwhelming majority of supporters of the LGBT movement are 100% straight and regard their gender identity as either male or female with no in-betweens): it has devolved into a nationalism-driven race to the top of social liberalism. Americans say, we are the most progressive, we created the sexual revolution! Canadians say, BS, you elected Trump, you guys are gay-hating Christian bigots! British say, we have the first gay minister in the world so we're the best! French say, oh yeah, try the first _transgender_ minister! And so on, and so forth... Is this really how society should move forward? By staring into Wikipedia maps that display your country in light blue, meaning that it shamefully has yet to legalize gay marriage or whatever, and then make decisions based upon it? Pushing legislation because you're embarassed you don't have it while others do? Where is the place for the actual gay people who live in your country? How do they feel about all this? Do you even know any of them? Or is it just the prospect of international embarassment that drives you?

@@yarpen26 What is bad about equality for LGBT people? You seem to have a problem with it to begin with.

@@hockneyfication I seem to have a problem with legislation being adopted just to conform to patterns that are established abroad in some particularly influential country. And why? Primarily because this kind of "equality" is shallow and easily reversible. It isn't based on any grassroot effort at educating people, encouraging them to be more accepting because maybe someone close to them really needs that. No. It's just "the Americans/Germans/Irish do it and we're lagging behind, I'm ashamed to be Swiss". This mindset is toxic, it feeds on the deeply entrenched insecurities and inferiority complexes. It's what destroyed the otherwise growing LGBT acceptance across the former Eastern Bloc: the insistence that you _have_ to be 100% dedicated to expanding gay rights if you want to even be considered European (pronounced more often than not by politicians hailing from countries which had literally just decided that gay-hunting might be wrong themselves). Nowadays, it's just part of a big ideological "packet": you support gay marriage, therefore you also support Third World immigration, you are a feminist and anti-racist, you propose measures to limit the climate change and you are an Europhile-and the other way around. Can you be an Eurosceptic homosexual? Only theoretically as in practice you will find almost no venues that support such an unorthodox combination. That's what kills the movement across the region: it's inextricably linked with other, supposedly independent political stances. So even if you have nothing against gay people but you also are no fan of Islam, you are, more often than not, alone. And people don't like being alone and they will naturally gravitate towards one of the major camps: they might renounce their homosexuality in favor or an anti-Muslim crusade or they might forgo their anti-Muslim bias and embrace gay marriage. Had Margaret Thatcher's infamous campaign been condemned by the French or the European Commission (rather than just plain ignored by everybody outside the UK), British gay people would have been branded an international fifth column and their acceptance would stagnate, possibly for decades to come. And, finally, tell me: what happens when things turn around in the countries you now hold as your role model? Let's say they start killing gay people in Canada-what happens in Switzerland then? You imitated them before and since in the process you didn't develop any actual understanding of the gay people's situation (and just wanted to quench your national inferiority complex), what's there to stop you from raising the pitchforks and going after the damn homos yourself? You don't want to lag behind now-and you probably won't like lagging behind then either.

@@yarpen26 Umm sorry to break the news to you, but we do not imitate anyone, why do you think we do? We were among the first to decriminalise homosexuality in Europe. There were times when persecuted gay people from Berlin would come to Zurich to be able to live the way they are. Switzerland is fine with LGBT rights and it's good the way it is so what you are saying is mere fiction. Btw, I am very critical about immigration from Islamic countries and I know that many in the LGBT community are as well.

@@_blank-_ No,marriage is not a condition to love someone, neither a thing that shows if you love a lot or less someone,but if a couple wants to take that step,they should be able to

@Mihaela Kinna Gay Marriage hasn't been legalized (yet hopefully), however they made a couple steps ahed, for example now any public manifestation of hate or against gay people is illegal.

They legalized it. 1st December of the year 2020.

Nos lo apuntamos ;)

No

Ja.

I hope they reject it

@@lonelyhetaliafangirl4936 Jes the Swisspeople sais Jes with 63%🥰

Wait really? I can't imagine it being worse than Turkey

That literally blew my mind

@@Plausiblelove Well, none of these was mentioned here. And the thing I'm surprised of is someone comparing an Asian country with a developed and wealthy Western European country and the better reception about the LGBT being received from the Asian one. Comparing Iran and Pakistan with Switzerland will make Switzerland look really open so that's the opposite of what I mean here.

@@Plausiblelove Actually its not, it's just a lot less dangerous than all the Muslim countries. People still get killed there for being gay.

HarithOma -A- it’s on the same level since MANY people from other homophobic countries like turkey Russia Serbia Albania etc live in Switzerland.

Nope. That motion is still in parliament. We didn't actually vote on gay marriage in 2019. We voted on whether we want to protect sexual orientation under our equality law and won though. Which is something, I guess.

Big sis Mel yeah, it is definitely something, hopefully everyone will be included in the next couple of years.

Now it is legal.

You meant to say the German-speaking Swiss? We are not Germans.

No Switzerland will held a national referendum, probably this fall

Nah. It is legal since the 1st December of 2020

They passed the legalization law, but the Conservative Party managed to gather enough signatures to have a referendum on the subject

@@AT-ss5nk based

@@lonelyhetaliafangirl4936 no

We have four official languages. Swiss German, French, Italian and Romansch.

you dont know anything, go to the central or eastern part of switzerland, and you will find much more homophobic poeple

If you go to the German-speaking parts, the people are quite conservative

@@lonelyhetaliafangirl4936 yes, and more generally in rural communities or in small cities it’s not as open as it seems. Hell, gay marriage isn’t even legal yet!

@@temmietemmieson6756 But there will be a referendum in September on gay marriage

​@@lonelyhetaliafangirl4936 so is it legal now?

@@manyulgarprsch Yes

Maria Esther Rivas advanced countries don’t have gay marriage in 2020? 🤔

@@OprechtLetterlijkBizar I guess you are right. But what I meant is just overall the way of thinking. Keep in mind that in the US gay marriage didn't happen by a law being passed but by one extra vote in the Supreme Court. That wouldn't happen today with Trump's court . There is no law protecting gay rights yet and look at how people reacted. Almost nobody rejected the right to marry. Now go ask people in like 40 states if they would say the same thing

Maria Esther Rivas ok. But as a person who lived both in the US and in Switzerland (currently) I can tell you that the extremes in the US are just further apart: you have extremely open minded regions and communities, and you have extremely conservative regions and communities. The US just is a huge country and therefore you cannot really compare it with a tiny country like Switzerland. Over here the extremes are closer together. In the US the left wing group is way more left and with many more than here in Switzerland, but the conservatives in the US are also with a far bigger group and their ideas are further right than the conservatives here in Switzerland. Population over here is more homogenous, but in the US it’s probably easier to find your ‘niche’ and your own ‘community’ and a sense of belonging, than it is here in Switzerland. And that’s a pity in my opinion.

You mean the eastern part. That is true generally speaking, not when it comes to homosexuality though. I‘m from Bern and if you ask the same questions, you‘ll get even more positive answers. The thing is, we live in a „mind your own business culture“, so we were never „hunted“ like in the US for instance. So we kind of forgot about it, as we are living savely and nobody really cares. Of course there are still annoying stereotypes ans missconceptions, but hey, if that‘s the worst we have to fear, so be it. It might be a bit different on the country side, but not in the Kanton of Bern. I love it here... I can kiss a man and nobody gives a shit.

Because this is filmed in the French part

Calamity Reaper I don't understand your comment.

@@broodjeal-cohol5033 Then why isn't the video titled "Are the *French-speaking* Swiss open to gay marriage?"?

@@yarpen26 Why are you asking me that, it's not my video.

They’re probably in Romandie

Milka est originaire de suisse. Avant d’être une marque, c’était un chocolat originaire de l’entreprise Suchard, ancienne chocolaterie installée à Neuchâtel, en Suisse, dans le canton de Neuchâtel. Le chocolat a tellement été apprécié qu’ils en ont fait une marque. Donc Milka a des origines suisses.

They did one month before you commented.

Yes

We, Swiss people, have four official languages. Swiss German, French, Italian and Romansch.

Yes

Bill Polychronidis Switzerland is not tolerant from a European perspective

@@augth Yes, we are. Just because our laws haven't caught up with reality doesn't mean we are intolerant. I advise you to go educate yourself about Switzerland.

“That male”

Thats what you all do? Calling gays anyone who doesnt agree with you? Welp Jokes on you thats not really Any proof.

Specially whan americans are the people who are saying those things that really isnt a thing in switzerland Att: A french

@@francoisdaureville323 i'm joking? and i'm not even american?

@@saneplathreader637 when i hear a lot of stupid people of your community saying things like he doesnt like us that mean hes one of us i cringe a lot you preach about being tolerant and that your sexuality is something normal and then why you act as if your sexuality is your whole world and your identity what being gay means? Is just a sexuality is nothing else you like screw men good for you, do that bring Anything to anyone?..

@@francoisdaureville323 why are you talking like you know me and how i behave and how i base my identity? it was a lighthearted comment, and while i agree in part with what you're saying i don't think you have enough context or knowledge to develop a legitimate opinion about the way gay people are allowed to express their identity. i think you need to re-asess your ego and loosen up a bit, friend

Then that’s a beautiful thing!! Love is love 🏳️‍🌈