Why I'm NOT taking down the Sedevacantism debate

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Жыл бұрын

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@Seethi_C Жыл бұрын

Imagine how dishonest it would be for Matt to take down every debate in which the person taking his position lost. He would lose all credibility as a debate platform host.

@brianfarley926 Жыл бұрын

Neither of them held his position. One guy was a complete schismatic and Cassman is an SSPX guy who is also a sedacavantist guy just not as much so as the other guy

@Seethi_C Жыл бұрын

@@brianfarley926 On the topic of the debate, Cassman and Fradd held the same position (that John XXIII through Francis were not anti-popes)

@brianfarley926 Жыл бұрын

@@Seethi_C Cassman is SSPX they deny Vatican II. So no they don’t hold the same position. Cassman isn’t like Diamond but he’s in heresy right now

@Seethi_C Жыл бұрын

@@brianfarley926 Are you even attempting to understanding what I am saying? I am saying ON THE TOPIC OF THIS DEBATE, of which the resolution was "Are John XXIII Through Francis True Popes", Cassman and Fradd agree, thus Fradd was on Cassman's side of the debate.

@marktaylor8457 Жыл бұрын

@@brianfarley926 So clearly you believe Vatican II is infallible, correct?

@echails7900 Жыл бұрын

I'm glad you're being consistent and principled Matt we're adults and if you lose a debate you lose a debate 🤷

@racheljames7 Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Losing a debate doesn't mean you're wrong. It just means you didn't make as many good points as the other guy.

@cdog9559 Жыл бұрын

very informative debate on both sides but Br Dimond had his ducks in order so to speak. It has motivated me to further research.

@AOitsAO Жыл бұрын

@@racheljames7 Cope.

@ModerateMic Жыл бұрын

@@racheljames7 True

@louisIXco Жыл бұрын

The only reason Br Dimond was perceived to win was bc he has a respectable following that inundated the comments. Cassman held his position well. The problem is that this is a bizarre position and you are giving it an additional platform sending it far and wide. Most people need not be concerned with it, yet now you are leading many down a dangerous rabbit hole. Don’t get me wrong, the content they put out is incredible, certainly superior to the false sheppards and false teachings we were brought up with in the last half century- and most is certainly Catholic, but it puts souls in a state of limbo of sorts bc then you get stuck with their position- which then reverts to this constant concern for controversy versus sanctifying ourselves day in and day out.

@anyacannon1057 Жыл бұрын

You should absolutely host another debate with Brother Peter against any self-proclaimed traditionalist.

@viensolis Жыл бұрын

I agree. I have heard most of all the debates Brother Peter Dimond has throughout the years. They all result in the opposition being offended and result to, “well who are YOU to accuse??!” Which the answer is always, The Catholic Church, Saints, Church Fathers, Popes, and the Blessed Mother herself have always said this, and Vatican Council 2 is doing/teaching the complete 180. 😐

@williamearle6281 Жыл бұрын

I have a feeling Peter won't be invited to debate any of these people Pints linked responses from. Peter did a short response to one of those on odysee. Pints said above he regretted the debate. The left (here posing as Christian) will do the usual ban of any person that effectively exposes their falsehoods, only permitting straw men on to debate.

@anyacannon1057 Жыл бұрын

@@williamearle6281 Hi William, I got corrected by a friend for this too, you should call him by his title, Brother Peter. But other than that I agree with your comment!

@redpillpharmacy6877 Жыл бұрын

True, he shouldn’t regret hosting this debate. He should instead host more such debates between Dimond and others (also invite Mario Derksen of the superb Novus Ordo Watch site to debate those who have yet to see the truth of the empty papal chair). It’s also praiseworthy of him to admit that Dimond won. This debate should cause him to seriously question his support of the entity now led by Jorge Bergoglio. It’s de fide (of faith) that the actual Catholic Church is indefectible. We’re divinely promised from Jesus Himself that hell shall never prevail over the actual Church (Mt. 16:18). But hell HAS manifestly prevailed over the entity founded at Vatican II and now led by Bergoglio. Therefore, this entity cannot possibly be the actual Catholic Church.

@tabandken8562 Жыл бұрын

@@redpillpharmacy6877 No, hell has NOT prevailed yet. If hell prevailed, there would be no valid priest and no valid Eucharist. The Eucharist is still valid in the V II Church. We know it is because we still get Eucharistic miracles and people still have mystical experiences involving the Eucharist.

@teresabaker-carl9668 Жыл бұрын

I’m in favor of debates because I don’t base MY faith on debates, but my sister became Catholic by losing the debate to her converted son, and every one of her family of 8 but 1 converted.

@MrCheesywaffles Жыл бұрын

But 1 have converted so far, unless this person has passed, in which case may God have mercy on their soul.

@laurameszaros9547 Жыл бұрын

I have heard of many people converting to Islam for exactly the same reason, and bringing their friends and families along with them. Doesn't mean they were right - just means they were easily persuaded.

@terrydelp9166 Жыл бұрын

So glad she became Catholic

@teresabaker-carl9668 Жыл бұрын

Only the 2nd oldest of 6 children has not yet come into the Church. And they didn’t just “come along”, they miss Mass only if sick. They have all married Catholics and have had their children baptized Catholic and each have received the Sacrament for which the are old enough.

@soroushfetkovich5084 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for NOT taking it down. Doing so is the same as the cancel culture do when they don’t like ideas against them. I learned a lot from that debate. God bless!

@collectiveconsciousness5314 Жыл бұрын

That as well as the automated censorship on sites like this, which reveal where the Novus Ordo supporters stand.

@aeptacon Жыл бұрын

yes

@Dostoevskys_Quill Жыл бұрын

Good on you Matt! 100% agree…do not remove the debate, God Bless ✝️🕊

@chrispazdersky861 Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't take it down. Some debates are one-sided, some boxing matches are one-sided. Doesn't mean they didn't happen. I am not a sedevacantist, but clearly the dude was prepared for this. People need to stop being afraid of differing views.....otherwise we are no better than the "cancel culture."

@collectiveconsciousness5314 Жыл бұрын

The Novus Ordo supporters are exactly the same as the cancel culture people.

@atrifle8364 Жыл бұрын

But a sedevantist is just an EO who likes the Latin Rite circa 1962. It's a confusing disaster on that front.

@collectiveconsciousness5314 Жыл бұрын

@@atrifle8364 They condemn the EO though.

@christinakalix9279 Жыл бұрын

A Trifle You are being dishonest with your statement. A sedevacantist is a follower of Christ that adheres to the written word of God - the Holy Bible - and the traditions passed down from the apostles. All others are in the church of pedophiles, the anti Catholic, non apostolic, church of everyone can get to heaven no matter what they believe. That is Luciferian at it's core : do what you want is the philosophy of satanism. See the counterfeit church saying how you can get to heaven in other religions, you can get to heaven if you have married - divorced - & - remarried, you can get to heaven if you live an unholy life, you can get to heaven if you were aborted and never had a chance to be baptized......see my point? The counterfeit church teaches the same philosophy as satanism and yet never talks about hell. Look to the Mother of God. She told St. Dominic that one day through the Rosary and Brown Scapular she would save the world. At Fatima she told everyone to pray the Rosary and wear the brown scapular. She didn't say to follow people who teach a faith opposite to what her Son gave the apostles. Wake up. Leave the Whore of Babylon, wear the brown scapular and daily pray all 15 decades of the Holy Rosary. Buy this Out Lady will remember you and pray for your protection as well. Angels will be with you always and at the end she will be at your side. Do not doubt that God have given her the graces for this.

@leokim1458 Жыл бұрын

I'm a reconvert (unsure if I can call myself a cradle catholic), could anyone explain what EO means?

@wgdetective7034 Жыл бұрын

I personally wish you would do even more content on sedevacantism. It is a very important issue in our time, as we are struggling for the heart of the Church. Cowards run from debates. You are taking the right stance; do not let the mob scare you. Honest to goodness, serious talks about sedevacantism are the main reason I subscribe to your channel.

@reformedstoic1581 Жыл бұрын

Trent Horn is the guy to take on Dimond.

@Mother_of_God_Sanctum 10 ай бұрын

Amen!

@jinglebell9424 10 ай бұрын

I agree wholeheartedly

@waseemhermiz7565 10 ай бұрын

@reformedstoic1581 trent horn won't debate Dimond.

@whenpiratesattack Жыл бұрын

Taking down a debate because you disagree with the outcome is like the childhood equivalent of telling everyone else you’re taking your ball and going home. Thanks for leaving it up.

@TickleMeElmo55 Жыл бұрын

Or Amazon Prime when reviews don't go your way.

@whenpiratesattack Жыл бұрын

@@TickleMeElmo55 amen to that

@bogdanungureanu9751 10 ай бұрын

It's cancel culture, as simple as that

@rosecloer5877 Жыл бұрын

People can't handle the truth. Bro Dimond won the debate.

@collectiveconsciousness5314 Жыл бұрын

People don’t believe in the truth, they make convenient things from the reality they see before them into truth.

@christinecreedon4551 Ай бұрын

@@collectiveconsciousness5314it’s called cognitive dissonance

@JeremiahAlphonsus Жыл бұрын

Jeff Cassman and the rest of the R&R crowd need to learn that one need not be a coroner to recognize a manifestly dead body. It takes no legal authority to recognize manifest reality.

@RunningRiotRaiden Жыл бұрын

YES MATT THANK YOU! I didn’t even think to take down the debate. That would be a cowardly move. And do NOT EVER regret hosting the debate. It shows what happens when we are not ready to debate the truth

@tubaceous Жыл бұрын

‘Sede vacante’ is the most important debate in Church today. I look forward to this and other sites hosting more debaters tackling this difficult topic. How about Trent Horn-Bp Donald Sanborn debate?

@Isaiah99002 Жыл бұрын

The real showdown would be between Trent Horn and Br. Dimond. Please make it happen Matt!

@Bbos2383 Жыл бұрын

And if dimond wins that too?

@kykloskatharevousa7147 Жыл бұрын

@@Bbos2383 We'll see about it.

@thesilentbedghosts7549 Жыл бұрын

@@Bbos2383 then we know the truth

@parchment543 Жыл бұрын

yes I hope so please let more of br. dimond on

@MacKenziePoet 11 ай бұрын

The whole intellectual tradition of Western Europe was re-invigorated by the dialectical method of the great Schoolmen of Paris. It would be anti-Thomistic to take down a debate on what amounts to a rather simple area of doctrine. The reason Brother Dimond won the debate is simply because Tradition is essentially cut and dry on this topic. All a Lefebvrist can do is what Lefebvre himself did: dance around the truth without ever acknowledging the ecclesial consequences that pertain to it. And so, it is Lefebvrism, that ultimately lost the debate, as per usual.

@Interplanetary_Dust Жыл бұрын

With all the censorship that has gone on recently and the resulting lack of trust that has rightfully stemmed from it, I can really appreciate your principled approach to this. Looking at the strengths and weaknesses in the debate we can learn from this discussion, strengthen our position for next time, and move forward.

@caterinadc5567 Жыл бұрын

Exactly this! Debaters have to be able to trust that their debate will stay platformed even if they 'win' when the host might disagree with their position. _And_ from the audience perspective, we can learn from a loss in one debate, to improve our arguments for the next debate. I think Matt has handled the followup well; especially since he added links to followups for the sake of people scandalized in this case.

@williamearle6281 Жыл бұрын

I can see trying to strengthen an argument against going full sedevacantist, but if these media establishment-backed guys try to deny all that's wrong with the Novus Ordo and Francis you are dishonest. And Dimond didn't even mention problems with Vat II you can't mention on yewtube without getting your comment insta-deleted.

@danielh1591 Жыл бұрын

Scandal is too often the term thrown around by those in the Church that find a topic uncomfortable to contemplate. Those that claim that the Sedevacantist discussion is scandalous are like the people that go around calling things 'problematic' and being offended at most everything.

@plum332 Жыл бұрын

Agreed 100%👍

@theresefrancis9283 Жыл бұрын

Exactly. I don't agree with sedes, but I understand their concern and treating them like lepers and lumping Traditional Catholics in with them is pretty stupid.

@atrifle8364 Жыл бұрын

@@theresefrancis9283 The sedes have rejected Peter again.. they are not traditional Catholics because they not Catholics at all.

@danielh1591 Жыл бұрын

@@atrifle8364 You are conflating the bureaucracy of the Roman Catholic Church and the holding of the title of Catholic, which merely means universal. Orthodox Christians have just as valid of a claim on Catholic, but they are not ROMAN Catholic. To claim otherwise is simply hubris.

@tiagorodrigues3730 Жыл бұрын

@@danielh1591 Ah, but Sedevacantists are *not* Eastern Orthodox, are they? They accept the primacy of the Successor of Peter which is the actual sticking point between Catholics and Orthodox. And pretending otherwise may not be hubris, but it certainly is disingenuous.

@MacKenziePoet 11 ай бұрын

Brother Dimond did not attack the authority of the Church, he affirmed it.

@TheWorldBroadcast Жыл бұрын

Thank you for honesty in a time of lies.

@Seethi_C Жыл бұрын

Taking it down would cause a Streisand effect, where censoring something brings more attention and legitimacy to it

@johnsposato5632 Жыл бұрын

Let's be clear on this. Don't endanger your faith on the basis of debate. Winning a debate is not always consonant with speaking for the truth. How many times have our own consciences lost arguments with the far more clever father of lies who tempts us to betray the Good with beguiling and persuasive rationalizations we are ill-equipped to oppose.

@parchment543 Жыл бұрын

Yes but quoting church dogma, papal decrees, and the lives of the saints wouldn't be described by the type of debate you are referring to, in fact, it would be the side of the Good.

@johnsposato5632 Жыл бұрын

@@parchment543 I'm missing your point. No doubt I'm being a bit obtuse this hour of the morning. To clarify, I'm all for rational discussion/give and take. However, "debate" begs for a winner and a loser, and truth doesn't always win out.

@johnpaulcastillo8403 9 ай бұрын

Brother Diamond presented more evidence in showing how evil V2 is a false religion. Because of most holy family Monastery, i became a true catholic

@Jayce_Alexander Жыл бұрын

Honesty is an important virtue. And I appreciate it very much.

@michaelwise6410 Жыл бұрын

The big weakness of debate is that someone who is experienced as a debater and who is a great talker can "win" a debate even if they may be wrong on facts etc.

@Bella4us7 Жыл бұрын

True, but Brother Dimond has the facts on his side on this issue. That was made very obvious during this debate. The Great Apostasy has been predicted since St. Paul mentioned it in his second letter to the Thessalonians. Also our Blessed Lady has spoken of it in many of her apparitions. Vatican 2 was the harbinger.

@mattitude4464 10 ай бұрын

Some are blessed with the Devil's own tongue, could debate one to believe the Earth is flat and sitting on a tower of turtles

@Danny-zm5rh 7 ай бұрын

@@mattitude4464So you believe we're on a spinning ball that's hurtling out into space?!! Ha! Ha! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. I'll give you a starting point - The United Nations logo is the flat earth.

@jeffreyfrench6401 7 ай бұрын

@Danny-zm5rh I don't believe the earth is flat, but I don't believe in the "moon landings" either. The earth is definitely a globe. Eric Dubay is an actor who adheres to Eastern mysticism. The youtube channel, Fatima Sacrifice, has 50+ proofs the earth is a globe. Sincerely

@PatrickInCayman Жыл бұрын

DON'T REGRET!!! This is needed! If you take down the debate, we lose.

@hawk622is306 Жыл бұрын

Dimond is so well versed in sedevacantism that few, if any, could go the proverbial ''3 rounds'' with him. We shouldn't worry about the indefectibility of the Catholic Church so long as we remember that the gates of hell cannot prevail against the Church only if the Pope uses the Petrine Power for the purpose that Christ intended it to be employed and in the right way for doing so. Unless that criteria of legitimate purpose and righteous manner for invoking the Petrine Power are met, then the grace of infallibility is not really activated. Given the miserable, debauched condition of the Church of Vatican II, it is highly likely that the Papal Petrine Power has not been truly activated even once since the death of Pope Pius XII. However, the Petrine Power remains perfect and intact since 1958 and merely awaits fresh activation by a worthy Pope directly selected by God apart from the corrupt, rigged Conclave elections of past years. The visions of Blessed Anna Marie Taigi provide a compelling scenario of that miraculous accession to the Papal Throne. About Vatican II: Just as by the signature of one Pope the decrees of Vatican II were seemingly enacted, so also a succeeding Pope, on his own initiative, can annul and void Vatican II altogether, as just so much junk from the evil 1960's.

@donrobertoni Жыл бұрын

Respect to matt for putting his foot down 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

@giovillalobos2273 Жыл бұрын

Integrity is rare this days, it's refreshing to see it in action.

@joserayatinan5983 Жыл бұрын

Looking forward for the debate between Bro Peter Dimond (Vatican I Catholic) and Trent Horn (Vatican II Sect).

@Flagrum3 Жыл бұрын

It would be an injustice to take down the video. What are people afraid of, The TRUTH? Good going Pints. Oh almost forgot, you can't refute Sedevacantist because it is the true Catholic faith. But not all who claim to be Sedevacantist follow the true faith, the Roman Catholic faith and magisterium of 2ooo years.

@catholictraditionalist8309 Жыл бұрын

Brother Dimond just now released a new video exposing Trent Horn and challenging him to a debate.

@DigitalLogos Жыл бұрын

Yep. The commenters here can have their wish.

@gailstone1636 Жыл бұрын

Exactly

@gailstone1636 Жыл бұрын

Trent makes a vedio, that is cowardly, he should debate aganist brother Peter..

@aperta7525 Жыл бұрын

Ooh, it's gotten lively!!

@mrsta8541 20 күн бұрын

Brother Dimond's video in reply to Trent Horn's rebuttal: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hrlnpMqe3Z7PYIE.html

@THEJET52 Жыл бұрын

It wasn’t scandalous.

@beautyrevisited7857 Жыл бұрын

Agree with you Matt - by leaving it up you give people the opportunity to learn from it and therefore refute it. To take it down would be cowardly and running away from the reality at hand. Keep it up so we can do better next time.

@faithmsnyder Жыл бұрын

Matt, you are seriously awesome. The way you hold to your convictions is so admirable.

@BasedAquinas Жыл бұрын

Completely agree. We must hold fast to open dialogue/debate. Your channel has been great for this, and I appreciate your consistency.

@amyraab8326 Жыл бұрын

I love your sense of balance Matt It’s very helpful Your topics and guests are very helpful to my faith Cheers !

@bruceallen6377 Жыл бұрын

It’s very noble of you Matt to keep this debate posted on your channel. There are many people who are unaware of the heresies by bishops and even the pope. This is why it is so important to follow the traditional teachings of the Catholic Church. Because clearly there are too many times in history and now that individuals are causing confusion and if you do not point this out you are leading people into sin! Let’s pray for our pope bishops and to check every word that they speak of to make sure that it matches true Catholic traditional teachings! God Bless🙏🏼

@zacdredge3859 Жыл бұрын

As a protestant watching this I can say what would be lost: I would lose the respect that I currently hold for Matt and his channel. 🙂

@Danny-zm5rh 7 ай бұрын

I don't understand how any adult can be Protestant when all you have to ask your pastor is what year is our church founded? So many children have been mentally ruined and brainwashed by willfully ignorant adults of such a simple question.

@erinmarie99 Жыл бұрын

Please bring us more Brother Diamond! He has a brilliant mind and if you disagree with him, listening to him only helps you fortify your own position! I would be very disappointed and lose trust in this channel if you took that conversation down. Cheers Matt! 🍻

@user-dp2bz8ed7f 7 ай бұрын

Truth does not need to be defended with censorship.

@luked7956 Жыл бұрын

Did Matt watch Brother Peter's response to Trent Horn's rebuttal? There were some pretty serous issues with Trent's response that he covered. I'm glad the comments section on the original debate was resurrected. Many of us were unable to continue conversations in the comments section once it became restricted.

@collectiveconsciousness5314 Жыл бұрын

Was JuTube responsible for that?

@luked7956 Жыл бұрын

Not sure how it happened

@mrsta8541 20 күн бұрын

@@collectiveconsciousness5314 JuTube lol.

@BMac7773 Жыл бұрын

You lost, cope and seethe, cope and seethe!

@boomct8569 Жыл бұрын

Appreciate your honesty Matt, your principles and your being humble enough to voice your regrets over certain elements of some debates or their follow ups. Very refreshing. All things work for good for those that love God....

@danielhixon8209 7 ай бұрын

Well said, sir. Because Honest discussion, dialogue, and debate is so “messy” and uncomfortable at times many do not really support it as thoroughly as they ought to do, and for that reason it is all the more important for us to champion open discussion and debate. I’m glad for your voice in this.

@ugomariapablo 10 ай бұрын

I came to that debate because I’m considering sedevacantism. So it was helpful. SSPX Priests should debate Bro Dimond and watch him win again because Sedevacantism is making a lot of sense to me now after being with the SSPX since 2019

@zelie1155 Жыл бұрын

Where I was frustrated with Cassman’s job, I always remember something I once heard about debates. Debates are not meant to end a discussion, they are meant to create them.

@danielblakeney7575 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for keeping it up Matt. As someone who's not Catholic, I really appreciate and trust that you really try to represent the current Catholic POV. And one of the reasons I trust you is because you're honest and care about free speech even when it seems your side is not as strongly represented in a debate.

@brendanestridge6934 Жыл бұрын

Good for you Matt! What a lot of people don’t seem to realise, is that without free-speech, and without content freely available to consider, the only thing people will definitely know is error. God bless!

@GaryM260 Жыл бұрын

Everyone should be open minded enough to accept the truth and maybe rethink there ideas about what is actually true ..not what we would prefer to be true.

@laserdolphin6483 Жыл бұрын

"Sedes attack the authority of the church." If the church can send you to hell with heresy and error, then what authority from Christ is that?

@laserdolphin6483 Жыл бұрын

@YP Poe Okay then Francis doesn't have the authority of the papacy then.

@SensusFidelium Жыл бұрын

maybe don't take it down but have another that will settle the score per se. Make sure the truth is known. Bring in someone that can defend this position. John Salza has his True Pope False Pope book that takes their errors apart. Bring the best against their best.

@Seethi_C Жыл бұрын

@YP Poe Why do you keep accusing John of backing out? My understand is that John and Peter could not come to an agreement on the topic and/or format of the debate. Your assertion that John backed out is uncharitable

@JC_0007 Жыл бұрын

Keep up the Conversations!! Debates are good.

@chaunceyhart1346 Жыл бұрын

I am not a sedevacantist, but Dimond did win the debate. He is very intelligent and a good debater.

@patricialandsman6639 Жыл бұрын

Get someone else on to debate him. I want to hear more

@Tiggsy2000 Жыл бұрын

It's not a bad thing that the debate didn't clearly go the way we'd have liked in our favour but these discussions are always worth having. It's like you said, the debate prompted others to come forward with answers that weren't there in the moment. It also helps us be aware of some counters points we might come up against and prompts us to think about how we can help explain the faith in response to those points. So, aye, I'd back you in keeping it up. We learn either way. :)

@atrifle8364 Жыл бұрын

He should have won that debate. Obviously he was not prepared.

@paulosergio_92 Жыл бұрын

@@atrifle8364 heresy can't win over the Magisterium. No amount of preparation would ever be sufficient against it.

@victorjvanderwoude3102 Жыл бұрын

I agree. We learn from our mistakes. A failed debate has two aspects: 1. causes us to reevaluate our position (an intellectually honest and responsible thing to do) and 2. To better understand and articulate our position (on further reflection) the next time. Even great debaters have a bad day and fail to counter or understand new avenues of attack or critique. I should mention I'm not Catholic but I appreciate the discussions. It's just to easy to ignore a debate gone wrong or play the game my side always wins every debate no matter what. How can we honestly contend if we aren't even honest with ourselves.

@luke8921 Жыл бұрын

Hey Matt! I really appreciate your different discussions with various speakers. Also, when you post monologue videos like this they’re entertaining as well- I wonder if other folks would have the same interest in seeing more of this kind of content on your channel. Food for thought!

@christinecreedon4551 Ай бұрын

Entertainment is Not the point of this discussion.

@johnthecatholic914 Жыл бұрын

Speaking of German bishops: it would be awesome to See a debate about the "synodal way" on your channel maybe about the topic wether signs of time should be a source of revelation for the church and higher ranked than the magisterium (because this is what they state in their foundational manifesto and it is the source of all the evil things coming Out of it). I think you have some people who think like this in the USA as well or you can find German people from the ZdK or BDKJ (the German "catholic" youth) willing to discuss it. It is a really important topic

@Manofhopeandglory Жыл бұрын

As a person who watches this channel in Germany: I really want to see this happen!

@SirMemesAlot71 Жыл бұрын

Mad respect to you for holding to your values.

@oldvibes2878 Жыл бұрын

God bless you for not taking the debate down.

@Josh-yk6xk Жыл бұрын

I still haven’t watched it. As a Protestant I don’t really know what to think of the papacy so I don’t want to confuse myself further with this sort of thing.

@NoahBradon Жыл бұрын

Wise man. Stay far away - it’s between two fringe “Catholics” debating the modern papacy. Watch Michael Lofton’s review if anything, but as a Protestant it will absolutely confuse you.

@bumponalog5001 Жыл бұрын

Honestly smart.

@MikeyJMJ Жыл бұрын

Would be of no benefit to someone outside the Church anyway. That would be like trying to follow a game of golf without knowing the rules

@nicholasbauer7407 Жыл бұрын

The reason you don't want to watch it is because you don't want it to change what you already think. Watch it to start to figure out the truth. That is why I watched it.

@plum332 Жыл бұрын

Then how will you ever find the truth? If it led you here, there might be something to it. Don't let Satan push you astray.

@MrWoaaaaah Жыл бұрын

I agree that the debate should stay. But perhaps it wasn't prudent having someone from the SSPX defend our side? God bless you Matt. Love your content.

@maryellendoherty5939 Жыл бұрын

Matt, I have not seen the debate. But I'll tell you, you are absolutely right not to take it down or to be intimidated by those who would center sensor another position. I applaud you for your moral strength.

@liraco_mx Жыл бұрын

I think it's excellent you link these responses, Is aw the Logos Project one and enjoyed it a lot, brought a good discussion.

@dorianwalker1408 Жыл бұрын

I didn’t think it was obvious at all that Dimond won, Cassman made some points that Dimond had no good answer to

@Reesorville Жыл бұрын

taking it down afterwards would only add to the scandal - it would imply that sedevacantists can't be refuted except by censorship.

@collectiveconsciousness5314 Жыл бұрын

Something ignorant NO supporters can’t see.

@thescaleofnature5775 7 ай бұрын

That was a fantastic debate, and I'm grateful you hosted it and kept it up.

@scottjohnson4120 Жыл бұрын

I would say--for whatever it's worth--if the debate was taken down it would discourage the atmosphere of true scholasticism. Debating Aristotle in the day of St. Thomas was a scandal of scandals, for instance. Taking the debate down because the controversy of the subject is a wound to scholarship. Truth can hurt and we need to accept that. I'm not a sedevacantist, but this debate gave some real food for thought on studying matters of faith and ecclesiology. Fostering study is a good thing...suppressing it--not so much.

@bbmartin7055 Жыл бұрын

If you believe brother Peter won the debate it's because the facts bear it so.... Please put brother Peter in front of Trent horn or anybody else you would like and have another debate, or another and another until you may be satisfied which you won't be because the facts prove sedivacantism is the correct position, since 1958 (John 23rd)

@StoaoftheSouth Жыл бұрын

Which sedevacantism?

@RealAtheology Жыл бұрын

Appreciate the reasoning here Matt. For what it's worth, despite being rather progressive Atheists who disagree with the traditional Catholic position on many issues, we appreciate that we can come on your channel and have a fair and respectful debate.

@s_hrndz0119 7 ай бұрын

“Scandalous” = We Lost and We’re Trying to do Damage Control

@mikekelly8377 Жыл бұрын

kind of noticed no one wants to debate marion apparition stating, "rome will lose the faith". how about the famous bishope fulton sheen, using catholic sources, stating an "ape" of the church will arise having external trappings of catholicism but internally no longer be catholic? would be fantastic debate discussing if we are already there. my suggestion would be bishop barron representing pachamama papa francis church vs bro. dimond representing position that we are already there.

@l21n18 Жыл бұрын

Ok there

@gerry30 Жыл бұрын

If a debate is a scandal in the truest sense of the word and a person would lose their faith due to the possibility of an anti-Pope, that person already has a problem with their comprehension of the faith.

@KidMangaX 7 ай бұрын

Why regret it? If anything, you need to host another debate with Dimond. This is the kind of dialogue the Catholic world needs right now.

@dj_telemundo7245 Жыл бұрын

Good on you, for not buckling and being a man of integrity

@Loffelmacher 7 ай бұрын

Excellent nuanced explanation. Good to see intellectual honesty even when it isn't convenient. It will pay dividends in the long run.

@Romero610 Жыл бұрын

I saw this debate when it first aired. You are correct in not taking it down. Trent Horn has done refuted Peter Diamond, and then Peter Diamond has refuted Trents Video. Peter Diamond has been around for a long time. What shocks me is that Trent Horn has not debated him directly , not to mention, not anyone else either from mainstream Catholic Apologetics . In my opiniona better match instead of Cassmen would of been Trent himself or Jimmy Akin. Is everyone afraid to debate Diamon ?

@mrsta8541 20 күн бұрын

Diamond's refutation of Trent's video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hrlnpMqe3Z7PYIE.html

@unapologeticapologetics6953 Жыл бұрын

God bless you. Honestly, it is so sad that these people can't simply accept keeping the debate up. Imagine if an atheist and a Christian debated each other on an atheist's channel, and the Christian won, wouldn't we be upset if the atheist removed the video from their channel because it is "scandalous?" This feels like a double standard, and it feels like it tends toward cultish thinking (ie., "Anything which shows some issues with our worldview must be censored rather than being known and addressed")

@valentinr.dominguez2892 Жыл бұрын

Why would anyone want the video to be taken down? Recently, I have gotten the impression that the Novus Ordo side wants a type of gag order so that the other side(s) don't get their word out. I am not a sedevacanist, but have unemotionally and respectfully made comments of concerns that I have about the church and have been attacked and strongly encouraged to delete my comments. Is this not a free society any longer?

@stuksy4321 Жыл бұрын

just a couple of thoughts/opinions: yeah, I remember that post-debate summation and it did make me cringe a bit tbh. The point of watching a debate -- esp a long one -- is not necessarily to watch your side crush the other (though we all root for that to a certain degree), but to listen carefully to two well-informed sides presenting their best cases for their sides. I'm sure there have been many who have been swayed by a silver tongued debater who holds the "wrong" side of the argument. Also when you pit two viewpoints against each other, I think that you are inadvertently making the viewer infer that one side if correct (even if it isn't). Keep up the good work of making us all use our brains!

@24erstad Жыл бұрын

Doesn't Matt Fradd know that Michael Lofton is a problem? :)

@ZachCatholic Жыл бұрын

In fact, a massive problem... for the lucrative industry of Papal Slanderers and dissenters 😉

@thelogosproject7 Жыл бұрын

I love problems. St. Francis de Sales is my favorite problem.

@halleylujah247 Жыл бұрын

Michael Lofton causes more problems for people than they care to discuss..debate.uhh😏

@NoahBradon Жыл бұрын

For the many people confused by this debate, here is the response of a non-schismatic and obedient Catholic (i.e., Trent Horn): kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kKpxl5qCltO-iZs.html

@suzannemiley2141 Жыл бұрын

I really appreciate your position on this. People are smart enough to make up their own minds on the topic. It makes me wonder what those people are afraid of.

@rc3088 Жыл бұрын

Thank you

@oratefratres4813 Жыл бұрын

So this vatican 2 catholic defenders wouldn't allow to call dimond as Bro. ? they forgot the spirit of vatican 2 council that called protestant as brothers and even the moslems not specifically the same but something like that.

@mrsta8541 20 күн бұрын

Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes lol.

@Men_In_Jesus Жыл бұрын

I'm not a sedevacantist. Now we are more like Protestants by using melodrama to describe the debate as Scandalous. And by the way, even though I am not sedevacantist, I cannot find too much fault with Diamond's position, and he was just quoting the church fathers and why the recent popes were themselves scandalous, and I still love JP2 and Benedict - and they were not manifest heretics (but Francis is more than that). As for Trent Horn, I throw my hands up in the air because so many say he disproved Diamond whereas he did NOT. And it made perfect sense that he could not because he is so supportive and 'explain-ful' of pope Francis. Maybe it is I who is in denial that Trent's following is the Modernist 'church'. Sad. Btw, I follow Michael Matt, Church Militant, and Lifesitenews. I wonder if their followers would have said the same thing about Trent's VERY lame defense of Francis (which was half of his Diamond rebuttal video) while Rome is burning.

@reformedstoic1581 Жыл бұрын

Everyone here should go watch Trent Horn of "The Council of Trent" channel, and his video on Dimonds Sedevacantism. It should answer all of your questions. God bless.

@rasheedlewis1 Жыл бұрын

And then watch Dimond's response to Trent Horn for some more clarifications

@VegasSportsGaming 26 күн бұрын

Shut up with Trent Horn . Tired of hearing about Trent Horn I’ve been Catholic my entire life longer than Trent horn the Protestant convert has been alive. Trent Horn can’t tell me anything about the Catholic Church. To me the guy is a hack and a plant.

@theperegrinecatholic2892 Жыл бұрын

Respect for being intellectually honest and objective. I don’t like to follow many mainstream Catholic personalities because they have fragile egos, but you have demonstrated, with reason and decorum, that you can defend your positions.

@racheljames7 Жыл бұрын

You're absolutely right to keep it up. I enjoyed the debate. I can accept that Brother Diamond made great points without letting it upset my faith. For goodness sake people, thicken your skins. Listen to some power metal and toughen up.

@redpillpharmacy6877 Жыл бұрын

You shouldn’t regret hosting this debate. You should instead host more such debates between Dimond and others (also invite Mario Derksen of the superb Novus Ordo Watch site to debate those who have yet to see the truth of the empty papal chair). It’s also praiseworthy of you to admit that Dimond won. This debate should cause you to seriously question your support of the entity now led by Jorge Bergoglio. It’s de fide (of faith) that the actual Catholic Church is indefectible. We’re divinely promised from Jesus Himself that hell shall never prevail over the actual Church (Mt. 16:18). But hell HAS manifestly prevailed over the entity founded at Vatican II and now led by Bergoglio. Therefore, this entity cannot possibly be the actual Catholic Church.

@collectiveconsciousness5314 Жыл бұрын

Best way to put it at the end.

@redpillpharmacy6877 Жыл бұрын

@@collectiveconsciousness5314 What do you mean? Are you talking about hell having manifestly prevailed over the entity now led by Jorge, thereby proving that this entity cannot possibly be the actual Catholic Church?

@collectiveconsciousness5314 Жыл бұрын

@@redpillpharmacy6877 Yes, that. As hell has prevailed over it, it can't be the Church. Never did think of it that way.

@coreychuba Жыл бұрын

I havent watched it but i highly respect your stance.

@thetraditionalthomist Жыл бұрын

Good Job Mr. Fradd! Stick to your principles. I fully agree that we should not try and censor disputations. God bless!

@StoaoftheSouth Жыл бұрын

Hey, TT, have you thought about doing rebuttal vids about what guys like Lofton and Salza have been saying about the Society? I haven't seen a lot of charitable interaction with what they have to say.

@brunohatesuno7910 Жыл бұрын

Brother Peter released a new video refuting Trent Horn. I'm sure that Brother Peter is not afraid to come back onto your show to debate Trent or anyone you throw at him. Brother Peter wins debates because he holds to the true position. He is consistent in his faith while non-sedevacantists are not consistent.

@collectiveconsciousness5314 Жыл бұрын

And he's been so for decades now. Production values increased but their content still remains the same.

@joshuaslusher3721 Жыл бұрын

Don’t worry about all the foolish voices on YT Matt! Keep fighting the good fight! You were instrumental in drawing me to the fullness of the faith!

@joshuaslusher3721 Жыл бұрын

@@WestVirginiaWildlife Whoever said there was no such thing as stupid questions must not have heard one from you. I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and ask what you mean? But if your next reply is nonsense so not expect any more interaction. So, would you like to clarify your ridiculous question?

@cittiavaticano Жыл бұрын

we have to ask these hard questions and have to do what we have to do.

@lenk8374 Жыл бұрын

Good for you for keeping integrity

@Seethi_C Жыл бұрын

The debate should stay up, but I think you should also have someone on, preferably John Salza, to come on and give a proper refutation that Cassman failed to give

@Seethi_C Жыл бұрын

@@CatholicHusband I don't think he would be, because he actually knows their arguments, unlike Cassman who seemed blindsided by them

@Seethi_C Жыл бұрын

@YP Poe Source?

@sambrittenden4045 Жыл бұрын

@@Seethi_C look up his name on their website

@michaelhodges2391 Жыл бұрын

My criticism is not that you had the debate but that you didn't get someone who was actually in full communion with the Church to debate Peter. Happy you posted Reason and Theology review of the debate and some others as well. He does well to dispell the Sede's position and offer an authentic Catholic position. Also don't take down the debate at all, I would just recommend you get Michael Lofton on to talk about the Magesterium (don't have to talk about the debate in particular) because there is a massive need for Catholics to have a sufficient view of the Magesterium because most Catholics do not.

@ZachCatholic Жыл бұрын

Hear hear! The Logos Project, Jeremiah Bannister and Andrew Bartel also offered a great rebuttal of Dimond's errors 🔥

@michaelhodges2391 Жыл бұрын

@@ZachCatholic 100% love all those guys

@drazam6608 Жыл бұрын

@@thelogosproject7 why make reply videos when you know they'll be open to debate?

@SakutoNoSAI Жыл бұрын

As a mere Christian, I appreciate your fidelity to truth and humility in the face of lost ground. I have soccumbed to many Catholic teachings from the protestant side and in the end I've had to admit I am neither because I will not pretend.

@levibell97 Жыл бұрын

If you are not a catholic, you by default are protestant.