yes your right its very stable and planned by talented pilots but it doesnt change the fact that those planes are extremely close.

No good reason for it v the risk

@@Surv1ve_Thrive yeah did you see the 777x few degrees of tilt more and it would have gone down like the one at Fairchild, it's all fun and games pilots capabilities and planes performance till it goes down crashes into a fireball.

@@Addy-745 I live near Shoreham, Sussex (UK) where a jet hit a busy, major road. Avoidable disaster. So I have no support for 'high jinks'/photo opps etc in these cases. Outcome versus risk is the question all pilots need to ask themselves honestly and I feel this channel should reinforce that.

There's guaranteed more than "talent" involved...

Terrifying for the airlines pocket book but shouldn’t be for passengers.

Yes, it was

When I was in a Navy C-40 squadron, we flew through volcanic ash and incurred excessive blade erosion. Grounded for a week in Sicily! What luck!

Thank you for explaining that. I was wondering the the heel was going on.

Most SAA pilots are ex military and train very hard for these displays

Hmm

ThNks… context is everything

Ex fighter pilots, the best in the world.

I remember how bad volcanic ash is for engines and was wondering if a sandstorm would also damage them.

@@Anurania Sand does damage engine blades, all the way back to the turbine blades. However, it's not as bad as you might think. It's best to be avoided, but there is dust on any runway, so a sand storm is just a lot of it in a short time, rather than little of it over a lot of time. Either way, the engines need to be checked. There will be a few inpacts and some pitting on the inside of the fan blades, some more on the compressor blades and quite some sand accumulation in the cowling. Volcanic ash is different as the consitency is diffferent, thicker and harder. If reacts differently on impact and causes more damage.

Probably already factored-into the ticket price, if not a hidden fee (eg. "sandstorm surcharge"), or collectible upon disembarking.

@@TheUtuber999 good answer. The fine print says "no refunds of fees on a clear day."

@johnnytheprick I've been complimented by a prick... not sure quite what to make of that.

The sand just goes through the Engine, and a Bird makes the engines to failures

Formation flight so pre planned hardly flying too close together

@@rblxmac Sand carries rocks.

@@tomatosoupwoo tiny rocks

Sand carries rock at that altitude 🤔🤣🤣🤣🤣

He wanted to destroy the engines

✈😃

Even better in the NAT MNPS areas where same direction traffic can be only 1000ft apart.

JS in the cockpit is amazing. Only tried it twice but I’ll never forget the experience. It’s like first losing the nonrev lottery and then ending up with the feeling that you won after all. Only downsides are space and no alcohol but that’s a small sacrifice.

I flew on a private plane from LA to San Diego. It was like a "freeway in the sky" with the Northbound GA planes (30 year old memory) flying 1000' higher and just to our East, very visible & every minute or two. I-5 up HIGH !

unlike what the video says, the required vertical separation in RVSM airspace (FL290 and up, approx. 29,000 ft and higher) is actually just 1000ft for approved aircraft like the ones shown.

… and I can hear Aerosucre pilots yelling “We did that first!”

*Chemtrails

@@evs251 oof

Nyan Jet

@@evs251 Indeed, the plane above was DEFINTELY spraying "CHEMtrails" while the commercial jet below was probably just a contrail, however the chemicals from the cloud above might have been causing the tint in the contrail.

@@evs251 🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️

Yep! But when the time comes to have to repaint just go through a sand storm and bam, free sand blasting lol

Al Baker would have his Qatar A350's fly through them for sure... And then blame Airbus for shoddy paintwork. Lol

Those poor engines

I wouldn't do that, as well as you wouldn't fly into volcanic ash.

or to get that new steel finish, just fly through volcanic ash clouds. I hear it's quite pretty.

Especially on a Sunday.. :D

@@MarcelB787 Hahaha bud, good joke :) But depends on the time zones too though.

the video implied that

And 5000 feet AOB FL600. Usually there's such little traffic there that they can have any altitude they want, but separation between aircraft that high must be 5000 feet unless they've declared MARSA or they're in formation flight (if that would ever happen so high).

@@Winglets68 No it did not!

Okbok. Will ask the management to fire the crew, since you are upset

Hahaha no doubt about it.

Bud Holland: Watch me do the same thing in a B-52.

Tex got "reamed" by Boeing's president, for doing those barrel rolls. But, Tex balanced the forces on the 707, so it was perfectly safe.

No cleaning mechanism but only heat. That guys were pretty much on YOLO

Agreed. You'll lose accurate airspeed indication when the pitot tube gets clogged but I'd be more worried about the engine blades...

Just imagine the sandblasting the internals of those engines (and fan blades) received!

@johnnytheprick He means 'tubes', just like Melanie said. Not the engines.

@johnnytheprick The PITOT tubes !!

I was thinking the same thing.

Some small turboprop and turboshaft aircraft incorporate an "inertial deflector" in the intake system which redirects the air while heavier particulates continue on straight and out of the nacelle. Large turbofan engines cannot utilize this technology so are vulnerable to damage from sand, hail, ash, etc. Any abrasive substance can and will do substantial damage to the internals of a gas-turbine engine. If nothing else, a visual inspection would be a must after flying through a storm such as in the video.

Yes. Bad idea. Very risky. It could cause a double engine flameout at worst and cause lots of damage, pitted cockpit windows, etc, and a major repair bill at best..

I can’t see the sand causing a flame out as the sand has nowhere to collect but I could see it being abrasive for wear

@@robertgary3561 An engine stall with a flame out is possible, but not super likely. The sand/dust in the air does change pressure and oxygen concentration inside the turbine. With modern high bypass torbo fan engines though, most of that sand/dust passes through the secondary air stream and thereby only hit the fan blades and the inside of the cowling, where it can accumulate. But then you just open up the cowling and let the sand fall out. A bit of that sand/dust can amd will make it into the compressor stages, through the combustion chamber and into the turbine. That will cause a bit of pitting and shouldn't be done all too often, if avoidable. Modern engines are tested for the conditions they are likely to encounter. And with a ton of planes flying through/over/into deserts, flying through sand storms is tested thoroughly. Just like huge water intake events, hail, snow and bird strikes.

Its Saudi, I reckon its like being in Canada and not driving in the snow.

and the paint

I'm really surprised at how much impact it had on the aircraft, that sounded pretty nuts.

It's absolutely dangerous and extremely expensive! Sand particles will destroy the fan blades and compressors blades. All engines will be replaced after landing because all blades will be damaged. Also, the sand melting temperature is about 1700°С, but the gas temperature in the turbine can reach 1927°C, so sand particles will melt and stick to engine parts in colder sections.

@god _"Water boils at 100 Celsius."_ - Do even know what that means?🤦‍♂️ *No* as I see. "The normal boiling point (also called the atmospheric boiling point or the atmospheric pressure boiling point) of a liquid is the special case in which the vapor pressure of the liquid equals the defined atmospheric pressure at sea level, one atmosphere." For Water, this is 100°C at sea level. *Not at your home at an unknown altitude under falsified conditions!*

"Oh, what a day... what a lovely day!"

That couldn't have been good for the paint job or windshield, either. 😬

Actually beneficial to the engines as long as its not overdone. We used walnut hulls to blast jet engines back in the 60’s

@@sailguru4412 yeah. Notably in a controlled environment, and because walnut shells are less abrasive than sand.

I think a Terrain warning was probably also in there, and pulling out of the turn was likely going to hear an Underspeed warning.

well it’s 2000 same direction. The planes coming the other direction are offset by 1000 so yeah you are right and the video is right

@@ethanbrandt1827 Negative. In oceanic air space 1000 ft same direction on tracks or even on random routes. (Captain of A-340)

Ever watered your garden on a sunny day?

The one with the camera. It was obvious misdirection!

@@skydiverclassc2031 oh yea, I didn't even think about the one with the camera...dam. right under my nose

Try this: [A Trip to Infinity - Mandelbrot Fractal Zoom (Depth 1.2e1077) (4k 60fps)].

Yes

Yeah, I don't know what those pilots were thinking.

yes they can the blades in the engine are coated with a layer to resist sand abrazing them when flyin over sandy areas mainly the operators of these airlines, they do it at the TBF (turbine blade facility in derby uk) clever way of doing it really.

@@PS-zw4yc My dad and I have a same color circle like you do!

@@williamburke8242 ?

@johnnytheprick He hasn't mentioned anything about the effect on engines.

1000ft for opposing directions, 2000ft for the same direction. The statement in the video is correct.

...And for ~97% of people on Earth: 1000 feet is just 305m! That's really close.

Specifically for flight above FL290 (29,000 ft) and below FL410 (41,000ft) Below that vertical separation has been 1000ft, possibly ever since formalised air traffic control began. RVSM above FL290 started round about 1996. Vertical separation above FL410 remains 2000ft.

Polishes the internals.

^makes it smoother on the inside so it runs more efficiently👍

Pitting on the inside of the fan blades, lots of extra weight due to sand accumulation insidw the cowling, a bit of pitting on compressor and turbine blades as well. Possibly a few clogged injectors and some additional wear on bearing, if the sand gets sucked into the wrong hoses. Most of it will come out the other end without causing any damage. Also power reduction due to less oxygen inside the engine.

Nothing good.

Lubricates the bearings 😁

Rainbows can be seen in regular vapor. If you have lawn sprinklers, you can see rainbows the next time they're on

That's called authority bias. Now airlines are cancelling flights to USA because authorities authorized high-power 5G antennas too close to airports, and that can mess with radioaltimeters. But they were authorized, so...

You are correct. 1000ft between RVSM-approved aircraft. 2000ft between non-RVSM approved aircraft and any other aircraft operating within RVSM airspace. The commentary in these videos tend to contain mistakes, e.g. "plane flies too close to another plane" ... unfortunately.

because it was flying super light. probably less than 10% of its fuel load, no PAX, only 2 command crew. no cargo. That puts it in its maximum performance handling area of its flight dynamics. every demo like this is flown that way, so they can execute 75+ Degree takeoffs, hard turns, and throw the plane around semi-like a fighter. without compromising structural risks or threats to the aircraft because its operating well within its loading factors.

It was an A380 powered by skittles

if skittles were made from aluminum and barium, then yes

@@goodtoBfit skittles are made of mysterious ingredients. Non of which are good for you

I was looking for this comment! "They're turning the frickin frogs gay!" 🤣

it is pretty common here in saudi arabia

If SA’s two flagship aircraft collided mid-air, it would have catastrophic consequences for the airline’s economy. I would have fired whoever authorised that stunt immediately.

As of the last census the most liberal generation in a century has failed to keep up with enough births to keep the society alive. As such more conservative cultures and religions from our immigrant population will now form the new majority. It was a pirrhic victory.