Two weeks on from the reveal, and with a big bunch of analysis under our belt, here's Rich's take on the PlayStation 4 Pro and what it's capable of. Subscribe for more Digital Foundry: bit.ly/DFSubscribe
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@MistahMOB7 жыл бұрын
High Frame Rates > Resolution beyond 1440p
@tominatorxx7 жыл бұрын
I completely agree.
@wb31237 жыл бұрын
1440p, freesync, 144Hz bliss. I agree with you man. 1440p is a great middle ground between 4k and 1080p. We are now getting powerful hardware to push high frames at that resolution without spending too much.
@ka7al9587 жыл бұрын
it's consoles, on a TV, if the PS4 pro can improve games's frame rate on a 1080p screens it's really worth it for 400$, now if only they can throw that paying for online BS
@wb31237 жыл бұрын
Ka 7al PS4 Pro is still stuck with that aweful 30fps. They could use that extra horse power in Ps4 pro to push 60 fps in most games and max out graphical fidelity at 1080p or 1440p but they chose to go after 4k and that too so poorly that it is a blurry upscaled mess with shitty textures. They also fucked up by removing the 4k bluray player and increasing their shitty PS network subscription cost.
@KindOldRaven7 жыл бұрын
1440p 24 inch (27 tops) OLED 144hz is my dream. Anything better than that is just gravy. Small monitor because I love playing competitive shooters and I like to see everything at once.
@terrencecoccoli5247 жыл бұрын
The end of the video is so sad. Terribly sorry for your loss.
@samsant32387 жыл бұрын
I don't know who Ozzy is, but that's way too young. Thoughts are with his family and friends.
@AllPro7777 жыл бұрын
Was that his Son?
@DuSlothster7 жыл бұрын
I think so, maybe step-son?
@Tepidtamales7 жыл бұрын
It's a real bummer. He seems like a cool dude.
@tpoppapuff7 жыл бұрын
Thoughts and prayers to Ozzy and loved ones.
@Adrian-yp7nb7 жыл бұрын
THIS IS ALL FAKE NEWS.... .
@underflip27 жыл бұрын
If sony really wanted to give us a supperior experience they would have focused on 60 fps not resolution
@buffalobill27427 жыл бұрын
Alas, they go for what the mainstream casual gamer cares about way above anything else. That being visuals.
@AdoniranFelipe7 жыл бұрын
they want you to buy a 4K TV
@buffalobill27427 жыл бұрын
Adoniran Felipe Buy a native 4KTV... to play fake 4K games on.
@neverspeak74777 жыл бұрын
That's personal preference. I prefer for TV 30FPS, monitor 60FPS and 120FPS for VR.
@alikjr59997 жыл бұрын
its unfair if you think about it because some online games will run on 45mil ps4 at 30 fps but when the pro owners players run at 'assuming' 60fps that means pro players will have an advantage in terms of response times and frame buffer
@ParsianTV7 жыл бұрын
sorry to hear about your son, may he rest in peace. As always a great analysis.
@killermoon6357 жыл бұрын
Are you sure that guy was his son ?!
@HaloMG7 жыл бұрын
is this a meme or something serious which i haven't heard of?
@SonicSP7 жыл бұрын
+zarif player Nah it's not a meme, just somebody close to him (son I'm guessing based on the picture at the end??). His picture was also on the wall during the video.
@AndyGilleand7 жыл бұрын
If you're curious how the checkerboard technique works, it's quite impressive. Essentially the base idea is similar to (although way better than) interlacing, in that, if motion is completely still, you actually *do* have a native 4K image. What the engine actually does is render half the pixels on one frame, and the other half the next. Obviously if nothing's moving, the game can simply combine those two renders together to result in a perfect 4K image. However, when things start moving, the engine *isn't* upscaling or interpolating. What it's actually doing is looking at the previous two rendered frames, and reprojecting those pixels forward to "fill in the gaps" in the checkerboard pattern. Every pixel that gets rendered also has motion vector data rendered as well. Essentially, the renderer can say "this pixel is moving 65 degrees at 3 pixels/frame". Then the PS4's scaler chip will reproject that pixel forward by extrapolating where that pixel should be on the current frame. It does this reprojection technique using pixels from the last two frames, which allows the scaler to fill in the gaps in the current frame's checkerboard pattern. This results in an image that is almost a perfect reconstruction of native 4K resolution. The fact that it uses the checkerboard pattern, as well as the two frame reprojection technique, rather than interpolation, makes this about 100x better than any deinterlacer could have ever done on traditionally interlaced content. The areas where you might see some blurrier edges or textures are when things are either moving very fast, very erratically, or there's just too much parallax going on to reproject accurately. Essentially the way it reconstructs the image is similar to how temporal AA reconstructs near perfect smooth edges. So if you've seen how impressive that technique can be in recent games such as Uncharted 4, the same level of quality at reconstructing 4K will be present in this checkerboard rendering system. Honestly, after seeing some of the games close up on a 4K screen, I wish developers could use this for current PS4 games that run at 900p, as it would likely allow them to render at simulated 1080p instead, and would look better than the native 900p imo.
@TheBeanfinite7 жыл бұрын
this isn't checkerboard.
@AndyGilleand7 жыл бұрын
Yes actually, the ps4 pro uses the checkerboard technique I just described for its 4K rendering.
@TheBeanfinite7 жыл бұрын
Andy Gilleand you're describing interlacing and temporal reconstruction, checkerboard is neither. it works on single frames and fills in the blanks once it's made a checkerboard, similar to how msaa works for edges. neither of the ones you described are used.
@AndyGilleand7 жыл бұрын
Squidel AT older checkerboard techniques, yes. This one however uses the same idea as interlacing with temporal reconstruction, but does it with a checkerboard pattern.
@TheBeanfinite7 жыл бұрын
Andy Gilleand wheres your source for this? seems dumb to add multi-frame solutions to it
@XboxNews-DealerGaming7 жыл бұрын
Welcome to Digital Damage Control lmao
@TheShangryLlamas7 жыл бұрын
Not really, everything in this that he talked about is completely true. And I've known this since day one. People are just incredibly misinformed and they're trying to provide more information.
@nico51797 жыл бұрын
Will u be saying the same when he praises the scorpio when it comes out? I highly doubt it xtwat! LOL
@Enclosure_2k7 жыл бұрын
FUCK OFF XFAG. Cant wait for you MAGIC 6tflops 4K uncompromising HAHAHAHA.
@dirkdiggler26957 жыл бұрын
What are they damage controlling?
@danny-wv5yb7 жыл бұрын
What tv should I get for the PS4 pro?
@DragonDDark7 жыл бұрын
it's a great console for its price. also it has exclusives.
@Bossman.official7 жыл бұрын
"also it has exclusives" What? So other platforms don't have exclusives? *facepalm*
@GreeNHorneTBluE7 жыл бұрын
+Phillip Wu xbox has no actual exclusives
@Brecondo7 жыл бұрын
It isn't "holding developers ransom" they sign a contract as with any other publisher.
@lj54327 жыл бұрын
"great console" nice try dragonddarkPSN. You totally arent a fanboy with "PlayStationNetwork" in your name.
@manuel05787 жыл бұрын
Number of Forza games on Xbox One: 4, Number of GT games on PS4: 0 pathetic really
@tominatorxx7 жыл бұрын
I think it's weird that Sony and Microsoft are now aiming for 4K with the new consoles. The previous ones had already problems with keeping a steady 60 fps at 1080p. 60 fps is the first thing you should worry about since it affects the gameplay. But apparently a higher resolution is more important than the playability of a game... I hope for the people that will buy these consoles that all developers will include multiple options so that you can turn down the visuals in favour of the framerate. I mean higher resolutions is good and all but the first thing they should worry about is the framerate.
@GotoTechReviewsChannel7 жыл бұрын
But, but...what about optimizations? LOL. People playing consoles generally do not want to mess with graphics options.
@tominatorxx7 жыл бұрын
Goto Tech Reviews Well it could be just 2 or 3 easy settings. - 1080p 60fps - 4K 30fps (- 1080p with higher settings 30fps) Something like that. Honestly imo 4K is not worth it (especially not with this console). Sure it looks better but the amount of frames you have to give up on is too high imo. 1440p would actually better imo. It looks better and you wouldn't lose as much frames with it in comparison to 4K. I'd say framerate is way more important than the resolution.
@MorrisseyMuse7 жыл бұрын
Because 30fps is still perfectly playable and 4K is a phenomenal jump in tech
@tominatorxx7 жыл бұрын
CEWIIH Fact remains 60fps feels better and is gameplay not the most important thing in a videogame? I'd say yes personally.
@lDeath4897 жыл бұрын
Did you watch the video ?. Both Sony and Microsoft are giving the option for developers to choose what they want. So if you want 60 fps ask the developers not Sony -.-. So far Sony allowed the developers to make more than one mode in their games. Hope ms give the same feature "More than one mode" which is very likely that it will happen.
@DozifJuggles7 жыл бұрын
Idk who Ozzy is but he looks like he was a lovely friendly guy from those pics so may he rest in piece and my condolences to his family and loved ones.
@OutlawFarmersRC7 жыл бұрын
So lets get this straight. I'm a PS4 owner, what is the list of things I need to just get started in Upscale 4K gaming and watching Movies and 4K streaming content. 1. PS4 Pro ..............................................................$400 2. LG55UH6150 Ultra HDR Pro 4K TV ..................$700 3. Ultra 4K blu-Ray player (Xbox One S +HDR)......$300 4. Playstation Plus..................................................$70 5. Total cost............................................................$1,470 This does not include games at $60-80. Plus needing to renew the PSPlus account every year.
@KingSullification7 жыл бұрын
This doesn't even delve into game costs. Which is wayyyy cheaper on pc.
@wb31237 жыл бұрын
Preach the truth brother. For that much cash we can build a PC that will shit all over Ps4 Pro and buy a freesync monitor with it too. We get to play online for free and buy cheaper games as well as have the option to upgrade and customize the gameplay experience to our liking.
@jojoss987 жыл бұрын
700$ is for the family or you and the gf not just some small screen on a computer. you don't need a 4k blu ray. and the end its way cheaper then a pc. plus you get triple a exclusives and great ports from devs
@Bornz0r13377 жыл бұрын
Hey by all means, buy the XBOX ONE S who has a gimped 4K Bluray player if you're a movie enthusiast, upgrade your existing TV to HDR to benefit from HDR gaming that XBOX ONE S offers, get XBOX Live, and the games of course.
@wb31237 жыл бұрын
JOJO SS Oh really? Then what is the point of buying a console meant for 4k and hdr *cough* upscaled *cough* if you don't buy a 4k tv with hdr that supports it?
@XxUltimateGodzXx7 жыл бұрын
basically youre paying $400 for a 1800p resolution checkerboarded up to 4k with all the eye candy but at 30fps with the option to go for a 1080p 60fps with a bit less eye candy maybe one setting down or 1080p 30fps with all eye candy if you cant do 4k, with full HDR support and some ganes running native 4k FOR $400 and a 1tb harddrive witha blue ray player. This is an amazing deal. plus they kept 8gb of gddr5 because unlike Microsoft, they will keep parity so no one on the regular one is left behind. With 12 gb on the Scorpio, anymore than 8 and you lose parity for future games.
@1921sebi7 жыл бұрын
"4k with all the eye candy " Exactly that is not the case. didn't you see the Tomb Raider PS4 Pro vs native 4K PC comparison? The texture quality was shit, some lighting effects were completely missing, upscaling artifacts and so on. The PS4 Pro isn't fast enough to really make 4K look better than 1080p in newer games. The 4K thing is just marketing bullshit. 1080p 60FPS would be the only reason to buy the Pro, but there are lots of games that can't run in 60 FPS at all because the Pro still has the same weak netbook CPU as the PS4.
@XxUltimateGodzXx7 жыл бұрын
Sebastian Paulus texture quality shit?? Digital foundry said it was high settings, one below max and the missing fire effects are excusable as it isn't a finshed build yet. Secondly its fast enough to run 1800p(900p of 1080p) and checkerboard it with hdr which is much better than 1080p. It has the powet nessecary with its fast ram. Even Rich here says it look much better and he looks at ganes running native 4k. He even explains how it looks much better than 1080p. And that same netbook cpu isnt weak because its certainly running those games fine. Its efficient, its runs at 2.1ghz and has the power of new intel cpus runnimg 3ghz and over. Thats not weak, thats efficient.
@XxUltimateGodzXx7 жыл бұрын
***** Ok
@6teenhrsmoar6367 жыл бұрын
+Sebastian Paulus exactly
@XxUltimateGodzXx7 жыл бұрын
Brannan DI we dont know that yet but I can see your point that would suck. But well have to wait and see, if that does happen, gamers will do what that have done before and make sony change it(hopefully).
@nemanjasavic33897 жыл бұрын
If you watched to the end you know the feels hit like a damn freight train. Sorry for your loss man.
@KNSonic7 жыл бұрын
Sorry for your loss Richard. Life can be so cruel sometimes.
@TangentialShark7 жыл бұрын
Xbox Scorpio PS4 Pro 6TF GPU > 4.2TF GPU 320 GB/s > 218 GB/s New 2015/16 CPU > Same 2013 Netbook CPU
@dr34dh34d7 жыл бұрын
Enjoy the year long wait and the premium price point when the Scorpio drops.
@TangentialShark7 жыл бұрын
***** Same goes for PS4 Pro then, using a down-clocked AMD Polaris.
@GTRMclaren7227 жыл бұрын
LOL you are comparing something thas it is not OUT in a YEAR. Poor M$ Xbots are desperate. Sony will own the Xbone even more with the PS4 PRO, and at 2018 they will surely launch a PS5 or wathever shit they come with and will own again the Scorpio
@TangentialShark7 жыл бұрын
GTRMclaren722 "I hope PS5 releases in 2018 to destroy Scorpio" LMFAO!!!
@Enclosure_2k7 жыл бұрын
price TAG Xbox 1000$ PS4 Pro 299$ Your point?
@AlienwareGaming7 жыл бұрын
I'd rather have higher quality assets and 4x MSAA at 1080p than 4K. Hope developers give us this option.
@EldritchAugur7 жыл бұрын
Just get a PC. Play it at whatever setting you like.
@AlienwareGaming7 жыл бұрын
Already have one and a GTX 1080. I like my PS4 to play with friends and exclusives.
@EldritchAugur7 жыл бұрын
ATW Tech - Alpha R2 Oh I hear you I have an Xbox to play with friends. Really wish console games had an Fov option.
@dangeros317 жыл бұрын
+Kolbe Howard The Battlefield beta on the PS4 had an fov slider. I turned my fov all the way up to 100 and tried it out like that for about an hour. It was pretty entertaining.
@EldritchAugur7 жыл бұрын
dangeros31 I play a lot of Rainbow Six on Xbox. The Fov drives me insane. I usually play at like 100 plus on PC.
@MegamanEXEv27 жыл бұрын
I don't know about anyone else, but if Richard is impressed then I am very optimistic.
@michaelwhite56417 жыл бұрын
So basically he said "Scorpio will be amazing" Don't come at me bro
@spriteg51st7 жыл бұрын
yeah it will be 30% more powerful than the Pro
@lj54327 жыл бұрын
How about you wait over a year and then see if it will be amazing?
@michaelwhite56417 жыл бұрын
Luke Jarvis Just a joke my friend
@predatorialvegan36357 жыл бұрын
+Luke Jarvis - I mean lets be serious. If you compare the hardware in the Scorpio to the hardware in the Pro, the Scorpio will be better.
@michaelwhite56417 жыл бұрын
Luke Jarvis You've taken what I've said far to seriously.......however, if the Pro is as good as DF make it sound here, the Scorpio can only be better.
@emersonrwt7 жыл бұрын
Hi Richard, I'm so sorry about your loss. Hope you can feel better asap. Best wishes from Belo Horizonte - Brazil.
@coinsagE46m37 жыл бұрын
@ 8:17 "Even though it's not native 4K, it doesn't need to be..." THAT'S the problem right there. Sony is marketing the Pro as a 4K capable machine, but it simply isn't. Upscaled, super sampled, whatever trickery they use...doesn't make it 4K no matter how they try to spin it. I don't like to use this term often, but what Sony is doing is a bold-faced LIE. Just like your TV touting its 120hz refresh rate, when in fact it's 60hz. All this marketing hype bullshit is really pissing me off.
@lDeath4897 жыл бұрын
Or maybe you misunderstood what Sony is marketing. they only said similar experience. Never said native 4k. It's just a solution with a great price for those who want such experience right now.
@lDeath4897 жыл бұрын
***** What do you want them to call the mode ?. 2k+ upscaled to 4k mode? They created this method to have similar results to 4k. So calling it 4k mode after explaining it is much more appropriate. They never claimed it is native 4k. Most of UHD tvs if not all are actually not native 4k, they are less so it is misleading to call them 4k tvs. So if you want to play that game then you should mention and consider this info too. Be fair buddy ^^.
@ResidentO7 жыл бұрын
The problem is - there are no 2k tv's. That's the only reason it's marketed as 4k, because it can't be anything else.
@slyjc187 жыл бұрын
Clearly, you don't understand what the word "Capable" mean. A 4k Capable Machine/System means it can do true 4k on selected products and features. Sony never uttered a word about true 4k gaming, that was Microsoft's words. If you want to call out companies about Lying, then you gotta call out Nvidia and Amd too, because they been labeling their gpus as "4k Ready" for years now and 90% of them can't even game at that resolution without serious compromises to the Visual Settings and frame rates.
@tyskws42907 жыл бұрын
fuck you're dumb. at the meeting itself on stage they explained it up scales. not that it's native 4k you uneducated fool. it was Microsoft that lied about native 4k onstage at e3 not Sony.
@Anonyminded7 жыл бұрын
Thx Richard good summary, I don't know if Ozzy was your son, but accept my sincere condolences...
@weses27 жыл бұрын
I'd just like to say I'm sorry about the loss of Ozzy and I hope you're all doing okay at DF. Thanks for the vid guys
@xAfroMetalHead1990x7 жыл бұрын
I get excited every time I see you guys upload a new video. Keep up the good work!
@Butterlove7 жыл бұрын
Rest in Peace Ozzy. I don't know you, but I hope you had a wonderfull time on earth.
@Wayneextremity7 жыл бұрын
great video, Richard. sorry to hear about the loss. r.I.p
@HueyTheDoctor7 жыл бұрын
Thank you Rich, you've made all of this extremely easy to understand. Very informative, keep up the excellent work.
@Longplayed7 жыл бұрын
I'm so sorry for your loss, Richard. Thank you for all the high-quality and informative videos.
@carlosrios70887 жыл бұрын
pro is not going to actually push out native 4k res. you need a 980ti, 1070 or 1080 to get 4k 30fps.
@wallpaper42377 жыл бұрын
It is on The Last of Us. But that is originally a PS3 game so it makes sense. Games with low graphics like indies or remasters will probably be able to do native 4k and modern looking AAA games will be upscaled. That seems to be what's happening.
@SacredSkill7 жыл бұрын
no, no you don't. I used to have a gtx 970 and i could push 4k at 30fps very high/high settings.
@carlosrios70887 жыл бұрын
i guess we will see. but yeah, makes sense for an older game to be able to run at 4k vs a new AAA title.
@justinbeamon66247 жыл бұрын
Looks like they might have medium settings on most games with the 4.2 teraflops available. maybe high with some games.
@carlosrios70887 жыл бұрын
yes, a 970 can "run", SOME, games at 4k. there are videos here on youtube of it. but it doesn't do it well across the board, it would never be considered a go to " 4k 30fps" card. sure, extremely well made games (gta v) and games like roller coaster tycoon and minecraft should run at 4k without issues. but its not enough for the rest. to add, if you are turning down the game settings to hit 30fps, it defeats the purpose, imo. to really be in the safe zone at 4k you NEED at least a 980ti/1070. thats the recommended minimum card for someone who wants consistent 4k. otherwise you will end up needing to upgrade much sooner then you think. even a regular 980 is on the boarder. i had a 980ti hybrid SLI setup, even that didnt guarantee me 4k 60fps in every game. though it did do 4k 30fps without any issues. i came from a 9800gtx+ > gtx 660 sli > 295x2 > 980ti hybrid sli > single 980ti. i play on a 4k tv and have definitely put in the time and research in finding the best setup. as of now i am sitting on a single 980ti until the 1080ti hybrid cards come out. i almost went with a 970 as well, but at that time i happened to get the 295x2 for like $550 (they were usually $650-$700 on ebay). i figured it had a higher FPS per dollar then the 970. i did have some issues with shit drivers in the beginning, but the catalyst updates really made a difference. still kind of miss that card.
@charleskuhn3827 жыл бұрын
RIP Ozzy... 22 is fucking young :/
@hgos72117 жыл бұрын
This was the video I was waiting for. Great job +DigitalFoundry!
@StuartsTRAVELvideos7 жыл бұрын
I was looking for a PS4/XboxOne channel to subscribe, but I didn't want to be flooded with daily trailers/videos. Your channel is exactly what I was looking for! Also, the games you analise are the games I'm interested in. So I subbed!
@JayBobGamerZz7 жыл бұрын
Sorry for your loss :(
@XgamerdaveX7 жыл бұрын
Excellent video as always DF! One of my favourite channels on KZfaq.
@XgamerdaveX7 жыл бұрын
Ps. Sorry for your loss.
@CreativeMonsterx7 жыл бұрын
What loss?
@SonicSP7 жыл бұрын
+Creative Monster The guy's son passed away I think, as shown by the tribute of him at the end of the video.
@paladinuka23757 жыл бұрын
Thoroughly informative video. My pro is arriving on the release date and I cannot wait! Thank you
@Gigamokin7 жыл бұрын
lol, call me when you can run 5k at 167 fps like my $8000 PC, plebs. I'm popular now right?
@wayge7 жыл бұрын
nope
@bergonath88517 жыл бұрын
Try again, kid.
@biggayal1877 жыл бұрын
lmao you probably don't even own a pc kid lol
@mgkpraesi7 жыл бұрын
Bullshit
@zachhamilton82807 жыл бұрын
+Big gay Al lmao I bet he doesnt!!!!!
@ResidentO7 жыл бұрын
Great video. And sorry for your loss.
@neverspeak74777 жыл бұрын
R.I.P. Ozzy, wish you well.
@JMaine5187 жыл бұрын
Great video....Sorry for your loss and may he rest in peace.
@atrusion80197 жыл бұрын
Man so much quality packed into these videos
@WeeWeeJumbo7 жыл бұрын
Whoa, who was Ozzy and what happened to him? It ain't right when people die young
@bill_lab_bill49417 жыл бұрын
PS4 Pro is what the PS4 should have been in the first place. Sadly i will still be getting one due to the fact that my current PS4 just ejects disks 24 7
@oskarmariagrande18557 жыл бұрын
I'm very sorry for your loss. He would be proud of your work - I'm surely not the only one always looking forward to your videos - thank you!
@zerg84847 жыл бұрын
this is the best youtube channel ever. keep on the good work and thx a lot the great content.
@RedGameRedemption7 жыл бұрын
Rest in peace Ozzy.
@navioner7 жыл бұрын
Was hoping for the Neo to be awesome, was extremely disappointed. I'm going to stick with my original PS4 and get a 4k TV with HDR and then build me a 1440p PC. The original will have HDR support and might as well get a 4k TV since my 1080p TV is like 7 years old.
@ResidentO7 жыл бұрын
1:16 you clearly missed the point
@WryMouthX7 жыл бұрын
You will be more disappointed since HDR on PS4 is just a fab and it does not work with any games nor it has any games even planed to support it.
@chromeinox7 жыл бұрын
You can do like a friend of mine. Buy a 1500$ PC that can do 4K at 30FPS and then try to save on the games. How many years will it take to save 1100$ in games? A $h!T ton!
@Bhair2067 жыл бұрын
Actually NBA2K17 will support HDR in the next few months or so
@ResidentO7 жыл бұрын
chromeinox but he can run the benchmarks and be salty in the comments for all those years :D
@12Bananarama127 жыл бұрын
i really enjoy your videos. keep up the good work!
@MalphasMikaelson7 жыл бұрын
4k native really isn't much better than this "next gen" upscaling if you sit at a normal range from the TV.
@TheMrDemonized7 жыл бұрын
also, 24 fps is enough, eyes can't see more
@evilzinabyssranger56957 жыл бұрын
u are wrong
@Dr.WhetFarts7 жыл бұрын
yeah the 720p on xbox one is much better.
@MalphasMikaelson7 жыл бұрын
***** Overused joke. Mine is actual fact. If you sit away from the TV of a normal distance, then this upscaled 4k who uses a smarter technique is literally the same thing as native 4k. Now if you're gonna sit right infront of the TV, ye native is better. Goodluck with your eye sight. Also only games that are on pc as well are poorly optimized to the point where some games got 24 fps and shit. Majority of games where they took their time to make it perfect have stable 30 fps.
@TheMrDemonized7 жыл бұрын
too much "if". if you have old lcd, 24 fps will look as 30 or higher cause of high latency. what else compromises will you tell me?
@jaglemans67787 жыл бұрын
I think it's great Sony are delivering a system than can output 'near' 4k, plus bells & whistles, for just $399, crucially, this November. Gives a very nice boost for PS4 titles and PSVR.....plus it will be down to $349, maybe even $299, this time next year. Powers great, but you also need mainstream pricing and worldwide appeal, to clock up those millions of sales.
@ResidentO7 жыл бұрын
If it goes down to 300-350 next year. Scorpio will have to be 450 at most to be a viable option. Otherwise only fans will buy it. Most people just go for the cheapest "current" stuff
@ResidentO7 жыл бұрын
***** > Sony is as greedy And that's the whole reason it can go down. Would it go down on it's own? Absolutely not. Can Sony make it 300, just to fuck up Scorpio release - absolutely yes.
@ResidentO7 жыл бұрын
***** As I said, they won't drop price untill they need to. 100 is nothing, they'll make it back by selling few games. Microsoft and Sony do not earn money on consoles and even when they do it's definitely not a main buiseness item They earn in sold games and services. They are more careful now, but they easily can sell at a loss to make up in games later.
@SonicSP7 жыл бұрын
That's pretty much the appeal of consoles.
@ayakoyuuta7 жыл бұрын
Sony always swindle, then let PS4 pro and PSVR both perished. and forced SONY quit game industry for cleanse.
@SuperValue3507 жыл бұрын
For only $400 it's extremely good.
@quattro44685 жыл бұрын
Just dont be poor.
@LydonLewisDoUbLeZz7 жыл бұрын
awesome breakdown just like the other vid! =)Great job!. ill still be seeing a difference as my current 10 is about 5 years old and im planning on try to snag a 4k TV teal soon!
@mopiwide60747 жыл бұрын
one of the most informative tech channels out there! keep it real :)
@foregonereality7 жыл бұрын
Who are the happy couple in the background photograph? EDIT: Oh no. I'm sad to hear that it's bad circumstances. I was hoping it was something positive like a DF wedding. Sugar.. :(
@Doctre817 жыл бұрын
Get us more NX news Richard.
@TheLenny6557 жыл бұрын
I thought you didn't rely on these guys to analyse hardware and software ......hypocrite
@youveseenthebutcher73137 жыл бұрын
fuck off tre
@NoahThomas297 жыл бұрын
Nobody cares about that gimmicky piece of crap!
@SonicSP7 жыл бұрын
There aren't any until Nintendo releases something.
@WiseGuy36837 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the analysis. I'll be watching the PS4 Pro very closely to see if I should get one over the next few weeks. I always love these videos. Sorry for your loss.
@JohnnyOrgan7 жыл бұрын
I thought you explained this all brilliantly. A great education. Very easy to understand. Great vid.
@labounti7 жыл бұрын
Native 4k or not you need a 4k display to see it. Still not sold on this due to developers not supporting older games.
@jamesbomb75847 жыл бұрын
No point to talk about the scorpio when it isnt out for another year. Also, not much after scorpio is out ps5 will be released and be double the power.
@Superdank07 жыл бұрын
Doubt people will wait for ps5 if it even happens that soon.
@jonasking95877 жыл бұрын
I have a feeling Sony will make the same mistakes they made with the PS3 and that MS made with the XBONE when the PS5 (or whatever) is announced. They are already showing signs of insane hubris.
@vitalsignscritical7 жыл бұрын
WTF are you some sort of really dumb moron!!
@lock_7 жыл бұрын
My deepest condolences for your loss, Richard. And thanks for your interesting videos.
@Blag_Cog7 жыл бұрын
Digital foundry is going to experience the other side of the pc master race. These comments are already showing how anything positive said about the PS4Pro is seen as damage control, even though most of the PS4Pro critique are flat out misconsceptions.
@Blag_Cog7 жыл бұрын
***** What is your point here? Can the PS4 do 4k natively? Yes it can, in fact there are games confirmed to be doing that, albeit with lower grade graphics. I love how you differentiate between AMD and Nvidia flops as if that is relevant for consoles. The API determines how effecient the flop count is used, and consoles bar none have way better API for that sort of thing. There is a reason why the new AMD gpus run the new Doom just as well as the same tflop nvidia gpus.
@ResidentO7 жыл бұрын
I love how you comment about toxic community and immediately get a toxic reply :D
@RydarGames7 жыл бұрын
(~20 AMD TFLOPs) = $ 1000 GPU. As if most pc gamer can afford that lol
@funbrute317 жыл бұрын
@RydarGames yeah , you need a 1000 tflops GPU to outperform PS4... a 750ti is already more powerfull than PS4 and a 970 with 4.5 tflops better than Pro
@RydarGames7 жыл бұрын
funbrute31 stop taking shyt of of context
@CultOfAthena_7 жыл бұрын
Biggest console weakness is still CPU and load times. I wish those would get fixed.
@jamesedward37657 жыл бұрын
you can improve load times with ssd tho cpu is screwed
@MrSlashStudios7 жыл бұрын
+James Edward You cant fully use SSDs because of the SATA2 connections.
@vitalsignscritical7 жыл бұрын
3Gbps/GiBs isn't bad, it's just half of SATA III's 6Gbps/GiBs
@CultOfAthena_7 жыл бұрын
Check digital foundry's videos where they measure storage performance. For some reason SSD's don't perform as well as they theoretically should.
@vitalsignscritical7 жыл бұрын
Bruce Wayne It depends on what make and model you get. and obviously if you get cheap 3rd party sdd's expect them to run a lot slower then they should and die fast/easy.
@slot97 жыл бұрын
So sorry to hear about Ozzy
@CynickeZpravy7 жыл бұрын
Technical review by DigitalFoundry are the best. You doing great job. :)
@TruClassic7 жыл бұрын
excellent video I love you guys work. man that Panasonic TV was stunning looking iam definitely buying a 4k HDR TV very soon I think the Samsung ks8000. what model Panasonic is that?
@fookslm7 жыл бұрын
please digital Foundry can you explain for me how Sony going to bring HDR to the regular PS4 ?
@Ideeem7 жыл бұрын
Firmware update.
@pureplayin22727 жыл бұрын
And it is already out.
@daweitao26687 жыл бұрын
Apparently the extra bandwidth which HDR needs was already built into the original PS4. (Without that it would not be possible to allow HDR through just a firmware update)
@vitalsignscritical7 жыл бұрын
Not true HDR more like HDR Version 0.5
@leonxl7 жыл бұрын
one word though: Scorpio
@moderateslur35627 жыл бұрын
yea for 800+
@carlosbarillas127 жыл бұрын
+Boogie Woogie look at this slave what a idiot wasting his money on a 800 dollar system with no exclusives if that was the case might ass we get a pc.. but u a xfag so your a dumbass
@CroneRaven18107 жыл бұрын
Do you seriously think the general consumer will go out and buy an relatively expensive console while there exist a much cheaper device that has relatively good visuals? Adaption rate will be low. Microsoft already confirmed all Scorpio games have to run on Xboxone so there is your bottleneck. Devs will care about the 40+million install base over anything else. Also Scorpio "exclusives" can be played on a much superior PC.
@sheeshxd37267 жыл бұрын
buy a pc with 1000 ya dumb
@vipulkoul1237 жыл бұрын
Well we saw what happens when a console is priced at 600$ with ps3 and if it goes to 800-1000$ range then people would rather buy a pc as anyways there are no xbox exclusives just windows exclusive!!
@dharmaboyN77 жыл бұрын
Great video, Richard! Very informative, sir!
@shehzaanaabdulla30477 жыл бұрын
£400... I think I paid a tad more just for my 1070 alone (which I'd wager is about the horsepower you'd need to run games in true 4k anyway). But for me I'm happy to pay that AND have a PS Pro because gaming is that major a hobby of mine.
@GameFanaTICK3867 жыл бұрын
A Pascal Titan can't even run high end games maxed at 4K. You 1070 can't without lots of compromise
@rjeez957 жыл бұрын
He never said 60fps. It can run true 4k just not at 60fps.
@shehzaanaabdulla30477 жыл бұрын
Boogie Woogie There seems to be this mass confusion... that there is mass confusion: No one is thinking what the Pro is doing is native 4k outside of the odd game that's an exception (or at least no substantial subset of people I've seen demonstrating that ignorance), so can we stop acting like everyone is having the wool pulled over their eyes/is uninformed/being taken hook, line and sinker? The 1070 will get you true 4k with console settings or a tad higher (seeing as consoles hover around High, with shadows often lowered to Normal and textures to Ultra in many cases) with similar framerates. The PS4 Pro on the other hand will get you an experience that's very compelling for the price, even if it isn't true 4k: And that's the takeaway here: It is a substantial improvement over base 1080p and no amount of saying 'it's an upscale' is going to detract from the appreciable end result.
@Dovahkiif7 жыл бұрын
+Boogie Woogie But they aren't the same thing and it seems a bit silly to call someone stupid for their preferences since you can't play the same games on either console. There's not really an objectively superior console if you disregard specs, but if we take specs into account then the Xbox One S isn't better. However an Xbox One S is a bit redundant now that you can build a PC that can run the same games at a better performance for a lower price.
@rjeez957 жыл бұрын
Dovahkiff The xbox lacks exclusives that haven't run to pc, tomb raider, gears of war, halo to be (look at forge world on pc), forza horizon, quantum break. I have a gaming pc and ps4 was a justified purchase, for exclusives alone. but theres nothing on Xbox I want that I can't get on PC now. I'd say thats an objective reason outside of specs.
@ryanh.7397 жыл бұрын
First things First... RIP Ozzy, I Love gaming, but the Loss of LIfe is way more important than talking about the video games we love. 2nd.... While the PS4 Pro does have the same 8 Gigs of Ram in it as does the standard Ps4, the Bandwidth has been increased by 24%. So That means the ram alone is gonna be 24% faster loading than the standard Ps4. That can help with loading in high end textures in 1080p games as well as 4K. Faster streaming is always a plus. Third.... and this is the BIGGEST reason why I think the PS4 Pro is Necessary..... A lot of the games I Play and plan to get are ALREADY 60fps on PS4. Star Wars BattleFront, Battlefield 4, BATTLEFIELD 1, Uncharted 4 Multiplayer, TitanFall 2, PlanetSide 2 (sometimes lol). All those games but the last one run at 900p. On PS4 Pro Sony mandates that Every Single game on the new System has to run at a Native Full HD 1080p Resolution. To finally Play Battlefield 1 or even TitanFall 2 at a REAL Full HD with Ultra settings on a Console is the reason I'm getting the PS4 Pro Day One. My PC friends Play their games at Ultra settings on their high end rigs that cost easily $1500 plus. For 4K even more. On Nov 10th I'm getting that for a fraction of the price. $399.
@kyntraz70187 жыл бұрын
Sorry for that. Rest in peace.
@problemon7 жыл бұрын
respect for u,,really great video,,and clear,,i learn alot,,thanks so much
@danielcastaneda49757 жыл бұрын
thank you. I wasn't sure but now I feel more motivated
@pleheh7 жыл бұрын
who is Ozzy and what happened to him?
@newbielives7 жыл бұрын
Please Sony, just keep doing what you are doing, which is increase framerate, better effects and smart upscaling vs Scorpio which is probably going to force their developers to go native 4k with crappy effect and horrible framerate for their bs native 4k marketing campaign.
@flyingsnail60797 жыл бұрын
The Scorpio could probably play games at console level settings and performance at 4k. I can virtually guarantee that.
@liamhardman8757 жыл бұрын
IMO there is no point to even talk about the price point at "£350" since without a 4k monitor/TV there is no point to buying it at all. The cheapest 4k monitor is about £250-300 meaning that the PS4 Pro + the 4k monitor will be up to £600 which is the same price as building a PC, or getting any console of your choice plus multiple games. If you have a 4k monitor, this is the perfect console for you, if not then there is no point. Also, if you are going to mention that downscaling to 1080p makes it look better... Don't. It doesn't look any better at all, I know from trying it with most PC games I have and all it does is fuck the FPS. EDIT: Grammar and added stuff.
@xXJeReMiAhXx993 жыл бұрын
pretty clueless guy you are, if you can't see how good 4k looks even downscaled to a 1080p monitor you need seriously strong glasses.
@AmmarAli17 жыл бұрын
I have a question. If I have an HDTV and I put the pro on the 4k/30fps mode will it look the exact same as putting an HD screen on 4k video resolution on KZfaq?
@L4veyan7 жыл бұрын
My condolences Richard!
@paul25967 жыл бұрын
Video's only been out for like 10 minutes and PC fanboys are already rushing to the comment section.
@vintatsh7 жыл бұрын
Pathetic... it's starting to get really annoying. I want to see smart discussions about Gaming Hardware here and not some pre-mature "console-peasants" bullshit. KZfaq just recently announced that they will allow moderators, they would be very busy on this channel but I'm sure it would be worth it.
@tominatorxx7 жыл бұрын
Well this was the first comment I saw after watching the vid: "lol $400 PC cant even run games at 1080p 30fps. So yeah $400 for a console that can do 4k 30fps locked beats the PC basement virgin cocksucking turds." So I'd say it comes from both sides... xD
@paul25967 жыл бұрын
tominatorxx True. Can't remember the last time I had a civilised conversation with someone about hardware.
@tominatorxx7 жыл бұрын
Paul Yup, it seems like most people just want to insult eachother which makes me sad tbh. Consoles, PC, in the end what does it matter? We are all gamers. I don't understand why some people attach so much importance on the medium that someone else uses to play their games.
@ayakoyuuta7 жыл бұрын
Or Fake PC fanboy.
@SodaImpact7 жыл бұрын
Amazing work. seriously Love you
@lilmario07 жыл бұрын
So just to be sure. Even though I only have a 1080p 23 inch TV/monitor, I should go with the PS4 pro over the Xbox One S? I was planning on getting the 500gb battlefield 1 xbox one for the holidays.
@almighty1519867 жыл бұрын
My question is will there be a performance boost for games that aren't patched? Xbone S gives all games a boost because of the increased clock speeds and the developers don't have to do anything. Surely just running a bog standard PS4 game should get a similar boost from just being run on the Pro?
@ResidentO7 жыл бұрын
They claimed Pro will match "PS4" performance in old games by downclocking to avoid issues. How exactly it will be done and to which extent is unknown. But there is a possibility that it will not improve fps at all. Which is very sad.
@strangevision997 жыл бұрын
Its possible, but like the Xbox One S I'd guess that it would be minimal improvements or none at all depending on the game. It might be cool if they did have some settings to overclock the default PS4 mode, similar to the texture and load time improvements that the PS2/PS3 gave to PS1 games, with the caveat that not all games would work perfectly or maybe even at all.
@vitalsignscritical7 жыл бұрын
The won't downclock the CPU that's fucking stupid they'll just cap the frame rate like they do anyway. And games will hit 30 or 60FPS even more consistently. It's a win-win.
@ResidentO7 жыл бұрын
Vital Signs Critical except they will "Base mode: All specs that affect title behavior are same as the original PS4 system" sli.mg/a/vPtOz3
@vitalsignscritical7 жыл бұрын
Trust me they are not underclocking that's retarded and would only make performance worse, not equal to base. Downclocking the CPU would be the most ridiculous thing to do, they're not like enthusiast PC gamers underclocking and undervolting which can actually be a smart thing to do, where as Underclocking AND Undervolting Makes Sense.
@TheDarkid977 жыл бұрын
Rest in Peace Ozzy
@mr.ihabissa84427 жыл бұрын
4K on the Pro will apply temporal filtering like the option in Rainbow Siege. 4k = 3840 × 2160 = 8,294,400 pixels divided by 2 = 4,147,200 pixels and it will apply 2x MSAA. 2560×1440 = 3,686,400 pixels. Technically the output is 4K but it is output of 4,147,200 pixels with 2x MSAA which is a vast improvement over 1080p pixels count ( 1920 × 1080 = 2,073,600 pixels) or ((4,147,200 - 2,073,600)) / 2,073,600 = 1 × 100% = 100 % increase in pixels count over the regular 1080p.
@karimchehab75987 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry for your loss Richard. Thank you for the brilliant videos, some people in the comments section should really appreciate the effort you're doing instead of bashing you Keep up the excellent work :)
@joshs24757 жыл бұрын
R.I.P Ozzy
@twanggyall14997 жыл бұрын
for that price it's a good buy
@MasterMayhem787 жыл бұрын
It was hard to keep up completely. Will the PS4p have a noticeable visual increase on a standard 1080p screen? Or is it necessary to own an HDR/4K screen to see improvements? I understand the GPU is doubled so graphics will get an enhancement, but I'm not able to invest in a 4K tv just yet.
@Mace_Window_7 жыл бұрын
Im so sorry for your loss Richard !
@lewislarsa7 жыл бұрын
Sad to hear about Ozzy. Life can sometimes be hard, a lot harder than you would want it to be. But he is in a good place now, beyond the stars where there is great love. I wish you the best of luck.
@jasonpwilson017 жыл бұрын
You sound a bit biased, remember the Xbox one S you can get a lot cheaper than the pro, and if you're referring to the 2 TB Xbox one S then that has double the hard drive of the pro plus all Xbox one S have an actual 4K Blu-ray player which the pro does not. You need to mention these things when you're comparing the two.
@formulacoolade7 жыл бұрын
If all you care about is resolution then checkerboard rending from 1800p is more ideal than xbox one s upscaling from 1080p. Still, scorpio is around the corner, thats the comparison you'd want to make.
@jarrett80427 жыл бұрын
I don't think you understand what bias means and how it would apply in this situation. Thanks for playing.
@LegionZer0games7 жыл бұрын
@Xinfinity2013 - CertifiedGaming The xbox one s is $299 starting off(same price as the ps4 slim), so I don't know where you got that. Hell even the 1tb is cheaper then the pro. And there's alot of gamers who own a 4k tv(myself including). A 40" 4k tv is less then $500(hell if you don't mind none name brand you can get one as cheap as $349 for a 40").
@RazielAU7 жыл бұрын
No point comparing the Pro to the S, Pro is more than 3 times more powerful. Ultimately, if you want a 4k uhd player that can play xbox one games as well, get an S. If you're buying it for the games, the Pro is vastly superior to Microsoft's current offering. When scorpio launches, things will change, but for now, the PS4 Pro is the better console if you only care about games. I am planning to get both, and seriously, if you can afford it you should do the same.
@RazielAU7 жыл бұрын
I agree and personally think PS4 Pro + PC is the best combination to own as you then get all the Playstation exclusives in a beefier console package, along with all the benefits of PC and most Xbox One exclusives. But some people don't want to buy a PC, and my comment was aimed at those people. Personally I own a PC, xbox one, PS4, and intend to pick up a Pro, but that's just me.
@exmerion3 жыл бұрын
5:00 The horizontal artifact in this footage almost gave me a heart attack.
@tarnishedd7 жыл бұрын
Great videos, very informative.
@jonnyt11327 жыл бұрын
the reason they want the ps4 pro at 4k rather than 60fps is so sony can sell their even more expensive 4k tvs. ive been a console gamer for years, but games these days are all about how to make the most money, who has better graphics, micro transactions. all this greedy bullshit just makes me want to save up for a gaming PC.
@thebiggestcontroversy58817 жыл бұрын
just play game boy color :D
@Pesmerga877 жыл бұрын
Sorry for your loss
@joshyjoshs2377 жыл бұрын
Do you have any insight on the Pro noise levels under heavy load? The noise is something overlooked but to me it's crucial for the experience. I'd prefer a quiet slim than a Pro with better graphics but noisy as the old chassis A/B...
@lz6187 жыл бұрын
hi Richard/DF. here's an interesting question, since lichdom was patched on PS4 and has unlocked framerate, would the PS4 pro boost it's performance?
@aayushpandey25587 жыл бұрын
Well! This thing is $400 for ~4K gaming! That's wonderful. A $400 PC wont even give 900p 30fps.
@SetzarothTV7 жыл бұрын
FPS over resolution any day. Though I'm sure some will enjoy their shiny slide-show. And a $400 PC absolutely could do 900P 30fps. In fact it doubles that output with ease. $100 for an AMD processor. $250 for a Gtx 760 2GB superclocked card. 8gb of ram for about $40, motherboard for around 70-90. And it can play BF4 on ultra at 100fps at 1080p.
@boostmeup7 жыл бұрын
$250 for gtx 760? more like $150
@SetzarothTV7 жыл бұрын
boostmeup Price varies. But either way, my point stands. www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130932
@boostmeup7 жыл бұрын
SetzarothTV on the same website a 1060 for less www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125879&cm_re=1060_6gb-_-14-125-879-_-Product
@SetzarothTV7 жыл бұрын
boostmeup Nice.
@looey1507 жыл бұрын
I have a question that I can't find an answer to. Since the Pro is focusing on resolution, what's going to happen to the games that get a pro patch that are already 1080p 60fps? Will they downgrade to 30fps but at 4K?
@Nolasco.7 жыл бұрын
My question is, is it worth upgrading if your are not ready to buy a brand new HDR 4K TV?
@iriasu16677 жыл бұрын
So, who is this Ozzy to Richard? Son? Anyway, my condolence. Also, still no reason for me to get a PS4 Pro. Thanks for the in-depth analysis though.