"It's like the sharper an artist's pencil is, the freer they are to to focus on the art." Everyone is different so don't take this as me saying that you are categorically wrong, but for me I find the opposite is true, especially for the average person who will be using the ubiquitous #2 pencil, or HB depending what side of the pond you re on... or if you are one of those wanna be wallabees Middle Earth. Sharper pencils are more likely to dent the paper as you push down and drag it across the paper. It becomes impossible to fully erase at that point and you might have to start over. I was taught to use a rounded off tip so you can shade more evenly and you can sharpen it when it's time to do finishing work. But to each their own. I personally am too scared to use a fresh sharpened too early but I'm faaaaar from an expert. I just want any young viewers or people just getting onto to understand the difference and know that the expression used in the video very often doesn't apply. So try the other way too, with very blunt pencils(I would use a pocket knife to carefully shave the wood closest to the tip off to expose a few more millimeters of te lead but not enough to make it easily breakable. Good luck kids!

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From my pov, having dropped the show mid-season 5, and going by my knowledge of the books where Roose is still very much alive, I have to agree, he is by far the more frightening Bolton. Roose Bolton is a cunning strategist who was one of the minds behind the Red Wedding. He looked Catelyn Stark dead in the eye, knowing that she wouldn't live out the night. He also had a long standing grudge against Ned for revoking his "right" of First Night, meaning that he'd get first dibs on any common woman married in his lands before her husband, whether she consented or not. In fact, (I'm not sure whether this was mentioned in the show), this was how Ramsay was conceived. A miller was married without Roose's consent, and Roose only became aware of this when he found the miller's young wife washing clothes by the river. He had his way with the woman, and had the miller hanged, for denying him his "rights" as Lord. When the miller's brothers complained, he killed them. A year later, the woman came to the Dreadfort, carrying a baby who clearly had Roose's strange pale eyes. He could not deny that he was the father so he gave in to her demands for a bit of money and food, and later gifted the boy with the original Reek, a servant who had some illness that caused him to stink, no matter what he did. Oh, and Roose was also rumoured to still flay members of enemy houses found on his lands without his leave. The biggest difference between Roose and Ramsay is that Roose did all this calmly, casually, and above all, quietly. There were some dark rumours, but nothing more. It seems that Ramsay was proud to display his cruelty and sadism, and enjoyed the stories that were told about him, while Roose had the wisdom to know that showing such tendencies outwardly could draw the attention of those who held more power than him, like the Starks. Roose played the game, and thus far in the books, is continuing to do so successfully. I cannot see Ramsay, who would mutilate the son of one of the High Houses so terribly without a thought of the consequences, surviving long in a world where people must account for their actions.

Roose is so much the more threatening Bolton its no contest at all. Roose was the one who worked with Tywin to make the red wedding happen. It's easy to tell how much more dangerous Roose is just by knowing about their relationship. Roose knows everything about how sadistic and violent his son is, and the fact that Ramsay even wants to kill him to become the new lord of winterfell, and Roose is totally unbothered. He is so far above his son that he doesn't care at all that he will be the target of the violence himself, he has something up his sleeve that makes even someone like Ramsay a nonfactor.

@@ThePhantomTomo I'm pretty sure that Roose knows that he could easily slip a bit of something into Ramsay's wine anytime he likes, and the fool would drink it, and never wake up. Ramsay is so far below his level that I doubt he thinks he needs to fear him. which may be his undoing, but at this point, I doubt that Roose would be so careless. It's not in his nature. Caution is what's kept him alive and in the game this long.

I wish book Ramsey could have been in GOT. He was a much more interesting and menacing character, imo. So was book Roose.

I get the feeling they just struck gold casting Iwan Rheon. I actually really enjoyed his darkly humorous take on Ramsay even as a book reader but its clear that they were starting to run out of ideas at that point. Battle of the Bastards and Ramsays subsequent death were some of my last momebts in the show version i reallt enjoyed. And lets not even get into how dumb Sansa being married off to him was in the first place instead of Jeyne Poole (as a fake Arya)

I think it's ridiculous to compare the two. Jamie is an incestuous murderer who tried to kill two of Robb's innocent younger siblings for no reason. Before the war and even during the war Jamie engaged in concentrated bullshit and he even murdered his own cousin to escape captivity. Theres no way in hell Robb would be seen as a coward for not fighting Jamie because 1. Hes the King he needs to consider the lives of his subjects before his honor 😤😤 ignore what happened later 2. Hes a teenager no shit the greatest swordsman alive can kill him but everyone would believe that Jamie will cheat in some way so no takes his offer seriously. On the other hand Ramsey is a weird little rapist thst preferred to fight helpless little girls instead of a man like Jon Snow. Its telling that he murdered a little boy running from him, but he's afraid of fighting someone on equal footing so he's willing to sacrifice thousands to kill Jon instead.

@williamshelton4318 Jon asks Ramsay, "Will your men want to fight for you when they hear you wouldn't fight for them?" and after an awkward pause Ramsay goes "He's good." With Robb it seemed like an indicator of maturity that he's being pragmatic but with Ramsay it's much more surface level doesnt-do-honorable-thing-cuz-coward.

@JohnDoe-vw4zf All that just to find out no one actually gives a fuck what you think

@JohnDoe-vw4zf You do not know how to digest media at all and its embarrassing. None of what you said is what actually happened. You literally made it all up. No one ever even once said Jamie would cheat and it is HILARIOUS you think Jamie would cheat whatsoever when he LITERALLY GETS ANGRY AND KILLS HIS OWN MAN FOR ATTACKING NED FROM BEHIND DURRRRRR!! God you're beyond help. Even when he is emaciated and chained at thd wrist HE DOESN'T CHEAT in a fight. You dislike the most complex character in all of the books; OH WAIT you probably never even fucking READ them did yiu lmfao. Anything over 200 pages probably scares you

@6tiple6ix6afia Are you ok sweetie? I didn't mean to insult your favorite characters.

EXACTLY, like even if the Northerners weren't pro Starks, they already hated the Freys was because they lost their people at the Red Wedding, and the "North Remembers". Which gives so many iconic moments to the Northern houses in the books just on their own an adds such a tense scene in Winterfell, with the whole castle filled with people who hate and distrust one another and outside is Stannis who hates and will kill them. As well as a third group purposely messing with them too.

They simply abandoned all the precedent they had established in season 3 and earlier. It's like they thought that since they made their nut with the Red Wedding, launching the show and themselves into superstardom, they didn't need to continue with the rest of that plot at all. And I think the obvious answer as to "why" is that D&D are too lazy and/or incompetent to write complex characters with individual motivations. Add more Freys than Fat Walda and suddenly they need dialogue and values and needs and goals, and then you gotta add the lords whose values oppose theirs, and suddenly you have to actually try as a writer. And they don't know how to try. Sorry. I'm bitter. Winterfell in ADwD is my all-time favourite plotline in any fiction.

I know! I usually avoid GOT videos like this because is just too frustrating!

Yeah sadly the only real writing talent was George. I think GOT really shows why not every fantasy show or novel has this tremendous success. In the end you need really something special and George was able to provide that special something.

The thing is, at the beginning of Reek/Theon and Ramsay storyline they did have a book to go with. That's in Dance, it more shows that D and D without George's help did not actually understand his writing at all. Which is even more worrying if you ask me.

​@@bluewizzard8843 I dont think it is fully fair. We did get some decent scenes and dialogues not in the books. Not saying the latter half of GoT is by any way good, but they did do some decent stuff on their oen as well.

@@MrPozaidonagreed. There’s some great early season scenes that are able to expand on characters and aspects present in the books, but required writing from scratch. D n D seemed to be better at adapting and expanding existing story lines rather then creating those stories themselves

​@@ham5097 yeah they had plenty of written material to adapt, they just chose to ignore it because the morons hated any shred of complexity or magic

Book Roose is still a moron for elevating his psychotic bastard son to Lord of Winterfell where he will inevitably commit atrocities and turn the north even more against the Bolton’s. Does not make sense for such a calculated man to let his bastard son do what he pleases.

Roose bolt-on

I could listen to show Roose read the phone book. It's sad how many amazing actors were just wasted in this show.

Yeah, him torturing, breaking, flaying & castrating Theon was enough to show his character. We didn’t need another season of it with Sansa

Yeah, however they still did have a book with a fleshed out character to draw on from, but went with weirdo Joffrey 2.0 instead

​@@peterrowan-bx4ci the show was absolutely allergic to having interesting characters or any hint of magic, in a fucking fantasy setting

​@@iDeathMaximuMIISansa shouldn't have been in winterfell whatsoever. It made no sense. They just couldn't be arsed hiring different actors

Yes same!

Same here.

Yes! This would have been amazing! So much drama. That's where the show used to excel. Rape as character development is, on top of being problematic if not handled very carefully, just so fucking lazy and boring. It's how every other mediocre action film motivates their male lead. I was very boring for both characters. Or, this just occurred to me, imagine Ramsay being a physically caring and attentive lover. And even more, imagine him being categorically against rape! Would be a fascinating angle to explore. People are so complex and contradictory. It would have been nice if he had some of that in him. He doesn't need to be sympathetic. But complexity is always good. Joffrey is a good example. He's not in the least bit sympathetic, but he's still complex enough to be very interesting.

​@@IshtarNike he was born from rape so him being against it would have been a great character trait if slightly simple

I don't think that exactly work given what the boltons did.

someone missed sansa’s character

@@IshtarNikebook ramsey was a rapist and sexual abuser if I remember correctly (though him being born from rape and him being against it could’ve been an interesting character trait as a gleeful torturer, there were enough willful rapists in the book already), but show Ramsey could’ve gone differently if handled correctly. Actually, to your point, I wonder if he would still be a rapist, but then for whatever reason on the wedding night DIDNT assault Sansa like she and the audience expected. Maybe his intention would be initially to fuck with her and give her a false sense of security like he did with Theon, but then he ends up sorta fascinated by Sansa’s savviness and cunning. I wouldn’t want an actual romance or an “uwu look he’s just a misunderstood torturer rapist who had this one exception bc Sansa is smart”, but they could have had an incredibly interesting push and pull dangerous game between them, testing each other out. And then Sansa ends up outwitting him and playing him for a fool in the end by betraying him to her brother Boom you get the morally gray Sansa character arc born out of tense circumstances WITHOUT having her character raped for the drama and weird voyeuristic torture porn.

Most of good characters in later seasons could make mistakes with zero consequences( see jon).

I tend to think the books criticize evil characters more than good ones. Even "pragmatic" ones like Tywin, Roose, and Littlefinger have flaws that can be exploited. Having a generally evil and malevolent disposition by nature tends to trip you up in ways when you have to coexist with other people in a society. Roose might have betrayed the Starks, but now almost all the lords of the North are working at betraying him and even he knows it. Being this conspicuously evil yet still suffering no consequences is indeed plot armor.

I wouldn't say he know flaws when his dowmfall came about because of his sadistic tendacies. Also no one in the show respects him.

@@fightingmedialounge519 I noted his lack of flaws re: his abilities. Also, his downfall isn’t even from pursuing his sadism. He simply didn’t know about the Vale knights. Otherwise dude would have won. I consider Shiow Ramsey to be an inferior Palpatine. Palpatine also was just THE BEST at everything but he’s also spent his whole life building up plans slowly that eventually worked (for a couple decades). And his ultimate downfall (in RotJ) indeed was his overconfidence. When your fatal flaw leads to your actual defeat, that’s decent storytelling. Ramsey lost due to bad intel. Maybe he had “a dozen good men” on scouting duty he would have won.

@@TrueYellowDart I mean, his abilities doesn't negate his clear flaws. Except that is his downfall as the knights wouldn't even be there if his cruelty didn't lead to sansa and theon trying to escape. Also even knee they were coming he couldn't have stopped because he lacked the man power to. Even holding up in winterfell wouldn't have worked as seen in the actual events of the show. That's a pretty short sighted comparison. Tywin if anything is more so the Palpatine of the series where they both find their successes come in large from manipulation and political maneuvering. Where as with show ramsay amongst the several things he's terrible at, he lacks the ability to foster genuine loyalty aside from one person; with all his major alliances coming from the circumstances rather than anything he actually did. He's more Darth maul if anything. Which is what happened to ramsay. Roose called it when he pointed out him acting like a mad dog woul lead to him dying like one. No, he lost because made sure nearly everyone hated him and reasons to see him dead.

@@williamshelton4318 I like Palpatine as a certain type of villain. He’s not particularly compelling because no part of me can identify with his goals or personality, but he’s a fantastic Ultimate Evil Bastard.

I think you're spot on here. It's hard to sympathize with a character you're so angry at. In the books we got to spend time in Theon's head, so we knew more about him. He was more three dimensional. In the show, he doesn't have that same sort of depth, so how can you expect an audience to feel bad for someone they loathe.

@CosmicPhilosopher I'm sure he's a nice guy, he seems that way, but Alfie Allen has a a very punchable quality as Theon. Even before the betrayal.

Yeah, you're correct. Theon betrayed the Starks and got a lot of innocent people killed including the two farmer boys and that Maester. It's debatable whether he deserved the punishment he got but, in my opinion, he did deserve it so I thought it was funny when Ramsey was eating the sausage. Ramsey does overstay his welcome, though, and I got pretty sick of him by the end. It was clear that the writers just used him as a replacement for Joffrey but we'd already seen one spoiled brat psycho. We didn't need another.

Yeah that's definitely a reason, which I find sad because I very much empathise with Theon... although he does do something bad towards the main characters and, even early on, the show was more interested in punching down on him as someone pompous and pathetic for humour, rather than someone troubled and insecure

@@CosmicPhilosopher Wow, I totally disagree. Theon was the one character I found much more three dimensional in the show, and you feel like he was truly caught between a rock and a hard place. I watched S2 as I read ACOK and I thought Theon's storyline was done way better in the show. He actually has conflicting feelings about his two families. There's actual drama stemming from the fact that he was raised in Winterfell. In the books (I just finished ACOK so it's fresh), he's the same generically nasty, entitled highborn that we've seen 100 times already. He's planning to betray the Starks from the moment he leaves for Pyke, he's even more entitled, he has 0 affection for the people of Winterfell, he rapes Kyra "until she was bruised and sobbing" because he's stressed over a nightmare, he threatens to have his men gang rape Palla (again) if Farlen doesn't help him, he agrees to let Reek rape Palla if he can get the Boltons to help, and he prepares a noose to hang a child to stop Rodrick from taking the castle back. He doesn't have a single redeeming quality, and he's not even particularly conflicted about it. Idk, I didn't even love to hate him, I just found him boring and insufferable.

I think of it that people have never met someone like Ramsey or Tywin in real life, so they find them entertainingly evil. Like, very few people have met a serial killer or warlord in real life. People have probably met a creep like Littlefinger, but creepy people aren't as entertaining as Littlefinger because he's able pull off manipulating people so well. But people have met spoiled bullies like Joffrey, so they dislike him much more. People hate Olly because he killed Ygritte who the audience came to love as Jon's love interest. It's the same way people came to hate Bronn for trying to kill Dany's dragons because the audience came to care about them. Like, audience members cared about Ygritte and the dragons more than they did Olly or Bronn. But Olly didn't kill Ygritte just because, Ygritte was a wildling warrior who was fighting against him. She wasn't an a civilian woman or anything. There really that isn't a good reason to hate Olly or Bronn, they're just soldiers on the opposite side of a war.

@williamshelton4318 Yeah, Ramsey is in a weird middle ground, I guess.

I think Ollie was also a very boring character. He felt like he was made to pull at my heartstrings, but nothing more. It was like he wasn't even part of the world where Ramsey very much was. Ollie had no real relationship with anybody but Jon. He was protected by Jon, killed Jon's girlfriend, was forgiven by Jon and then killed Jon. Original show characters never seemed to click with me and I think at least partly that was because they were never nicely woven into the story. After a while even an expanded figure like Bron went there, at least for me.

@RikkaP Yeah, there isn't as much depth to Olly compared to the others. It just doesn't seem like a coincidence to me that the child characters illicit a stronger reaction than the adults.

@@oeurydice I am not so sure about it. I also like to think that my reactions to, say, Arya in book and show differ a lot (and Arya was a child at the beginning and, if memory serves right, was a fan fave from the start). What I will give you any time is that child characters are harder to get into (as readers or writers) as we are adults. We see the world around us quite differently and have different relationships. Still, I do enjoy childrens books (Neverending story has been (and stayed) a favourite of mine since I was 11 or something), but I might be strange there.

I do blame them. They didn't even try to portray book Ramsay, and he was so much more menacing and interesting.

@@blaubeer8039it was always clear that Martin is no Tolkien

​@@spectre9948He even stole the second 'R'

Fellow northerner here, spent many hours up Rivington hiking on Winter Hill

That is cool AND the real Bolton is full of inbreeds so maybe that’s where he got the Targaryen shit from too

The book is actually more graphic and disturbing than the show. Book Ramsay makes show Ramsay look tame.

​@@louisamay9615 Yes, but it's still implied/mentioned after the fact. There's no real-time, graphic descriptions.

Yeah, don't go into the books expecting there to be nothing. There are still some moments and what happens to Theon is 100% worse, but it's also never gratuitous. Mostly it's implied without needing to show, or there is a reason for it, but I can certainly remember uncomfortable book scenes

Yeah, technically true, but there are some extremely graphic moments. I'm thinking specifically of when Arya overhears Chiswyk. There's also just... the sheer amount of rape in the books. It feels like every 5 pages, there's something to do with someone being raped. I'm not opposed to depicting the horrors of war at all, but it irks me that it always happens to other, unimportant girls as set dressing to show how dark and edgy the world is. Not that I want any of our POV characters to get raped mind you, but it's a real shame how it's effect is never explored the same way as other violence, like Jaime's dismemberment, Bran's paralysis, and Theon's torture (and of course, Theon's sexual abuse is only implied and never expounded upon). /rant

doesn't it happen to dany?@@j.c.jeggis1818

is ignorance a sickness?

11 year olds, probably. A lot of ignorant/cruel/stupid behaviour online turns out to be children acting like children.

Probably because ramsay was potrayed as more competent.

Kinda goes to show you can get something positive out of art, even if the art in question is messy, bad, gratuitous, or poorly executed. Glad it taught you something!

​@@williamshelton4318 I mean, him both killing his dad walda immediately shows that he can make pretty poor decisions.

@@williamshelton4318 not really. He gained nothing from killing walda, and killing his dad took away a valuable strategist from his side who could have maybe convinced the other house to help. I guess it made him warden of the north, for a week.

I don’t know why but there is a group of people who like it when men get there junk cut off and I’ve found them in Twitter threads so people may like him more for that as well and then say he was funny or something

I'm kind of a hater of philandering men like Theon so I found it funny Theon's junk was cut off but Ramsay himself wasn't funny only his treatment of Theon but not of the others that's actually sickening

It's not even a satisfying kind of horror.

Littlefinger knowing about Ramsey would have made his decision to give him Sansa even less sensible than it already was.

Littlefinger has spies in brothels and in the Red Keep but oversimplifying fools want him to have known everything everywhere.

It's just lazy, really. They could have used more nuance, but you're right in that it seems D&D were thinking, "HBO lets us get away with anything! Let's do it!" See also: Littlefinger directing two women to have sex while he spouts exposition.

I’ve found that girls laugh at it and guys don’t for the most part

Lots of people out there who don’t feel empathy towards others way more than you would think mainly because they learn to hide it and fake it to fit in and they are the ones who mistake empathy for being soft

Wasn't the first scene him hunting Reek?

This would make sense as in the book it's described that Ramsay's violent tendencies got worse once he had reek

The books go into decent detail about Jaime becoming super feverish and weak from his hand and having to have qyburn treat him with maggots to eat the dead infected flesh, cleaning it with boiled wine, etc. Every thing that happened to theon happened in the past because he disappears entirely after book 2 until book 5 where he's down to 7 fingers, missing toes, half a mouthful of broken teeth, and potentially losing his manhood(I don't think it's ever explicitly stated that he was gelded by Ramsey but there's dialogue that implies it)

@@jublington fair enough that all sounds reasonable. For me it's more that Jamie has an open artery that has about 5 mins to be... We knotted or stitched, before he's dead.

@@bogstandardash3751 obvs ur gonna have to suspend disbelief a bit it is fiction after all. I don't remember if they cauterize it or not, but honestly idk enough about anatomy to know if that would even help at all. He was already malnourished and then they have days to march before they get to harrenhal where qyburn is so obviously that would probably kill any man in real life.

Normally a self insert character isn't born of rape.

Most likely yes, he's one of my favourite characters

Yes and it was bad to cast him he's way too handsome to play Ramsay and it made his character read differently he was a brute akin to a highschool jock who molests schoolgirls while Iwan's portrayel made him appear like a twisted gentleman akin to Alex DeLarge from a Clockwork Orange

I wouldn't go that far considering they acknowledge the complexity in characters like theon. Also the books to suggest joffrey was just a bad person form the start.

Book Ramsay is tactically smart but not politically, in my opinion. He's great at cunning trickery to get something he wants, but not so good at the bigger picture and the long term, partly due to his impulsive side. That said, I did kinda make a similar argument in my character analysis video of him, he's nowhere near as stupid as people say he is in the books. He's actually quite smart, just also short sighted and unrestra

Oh it was definitely silly. I admittedly enjoyed it on first viewing but even then I knew it was a complete mess. Well filmed but terribly written

I actually think that it worked better in the books where you’re sort of left with the image of a wrecked, ruined man with mere implications of how he got like that. The mystery both serves to add a disturbing atmosphere to Theon’s scenes and make Ramsay much more unsettling without being too graphic.

​@burgundian212 people who read the books before they saw the show pointed out that Reek being Theon is actually a plot twist of sorts. You suddenly get this borderline insane POV character talking about how juicy and tasty a rat's innards are and just thinking about their dungeon cell, and there's a long buildup until you get the drop that this is Theon.

I read the books before the show as well and yeah that's how it works, you don't see Theon again at the end of the second book, then in the fifth book it introduces Reek, who you later find out is Theon. It is technically more interesting, but he only thinks about how he was tortured and flayed in past tense and without much detail.@@vladsaioc6269

Ah thanks!

Well I argued he was too compelling for his own good, too attractive is another angle 😂

You need help lmao 😂