I’ve been watching competitive league since 2013, there is no better trio to reminisce with.

Thank you for the content. Would love to see more videos with you three debating best teams/players ❤️

Best trio by far to talk about league, such a fun episode

For anyone curious about the ahri push mentioned at 49:00, it was day 6 of 2013 worlds SKT vs OMG. The play starts a little past 11 minutes into the game.

Amazing content piece. Reminiscing the 2013-2015 league and remembering how absolutely nuts the Samsung white team and what the potential of that KT Rolster team (the ultimate KT razor cake imo) were time well spent. Gonna go back and watch 2014 worlds now.

Amazing episode, always love these videos. Best player of the year is a great idea, LFN could be the "France Football" of LoL and give the Balon d'or equivalent for league each year, host a vote with all the legit analysts you guys know. even from out of LFN such as LS. It could be something on categories. Since the best player is most certainly always going to be from the east, you could do best western player of the year or stuff like that.

Love content best trio for long league talks

Something to be said about SSG 2017, they were so overtly meta dependent / flash in the pan successful, they literally returned to Worlds a year later in an inverted meta (solo lane focused) and they were the only Korean team in the modern format to not get out of groups.

I know they weren't the greatest teams, but the whole World championship of 2018 was personally my favourite due to the crazy results

Another "Who are the GOAT players in League of Legends?" level video incoming? Certified BANGER

It’s so wild hearing their recounts of 2013 worlds - I remembered thinking SKT vs Najin was a battle between 2 giants, 2 best teams in the world, peak league of legends, etc 🤣🤣

I love damwon 2020, hope they're ranked highly.

Another great trio

ooooooooooooooooh lets goo, i would love a powerspike or any Dom Thoorin show again

Bro I honestly think 2018 KT and ROX Tigers are probably better than a majority of worlds winners. Even 2018 RNG, they were so close to completing a grand slam just the meta change at worlds killed them.

Getting Hyped for T1 vs WBG finals with this one!

Amazing video, such throwbacks. I genuinely miss the Korean absolute dominance of god-skill for what the game was at the time. I hope a single team in the future can bring that back from any region. I want to see some giga god play again

Thoorin could you do a Video on the Pre-LCS/LCK/LPL era.. Would love to revisit all the old s2 tournaments.

I miss my 40 def rune page. I remember my thresh went out with 40 def rune and cloth armor 5 pot and start with 100+ armor. Since his e passive was on q, I can 1v1 ad carry easily

Another topic in direct relation to this 1: Which were the best teams in each seasons? Overall performance, consistency etc. You said that in S4 Samsung White was the best team all year and they've won Worlds as well, but in S9 G2 was clearly the best team overall, but they still lost the most important game. What are the other teams?

Could be amazing to see them do a video on the best teams that never won worlds

55:35 see in my opinion it was less the meta that made ig that good, it was more the players reaching their peaks individually all at once, the meta helped of course, but I think ig still win worlds in that form if the meta is anything but ardent-esque cause then rng win or tank top i guess

It's a shame that there wasn't content from Chinese teams in 2015 like there was recently for EDG because I really want an explanation of how all those teams(LGD, EDG) failed so miserably that worlds.

FPX was extremely dominant in LPL when they won worlds and a lot of people had them favorites coming into worlds. I think there's no way they are a bottom tier worlds winner. They had great cohesion and teamfighting and dominated bracket stage. They were actually pretty influential too, you have mids like Nisqy, Caps, Jojopyun, Showmaker all becoming more roam heavy.

On the 2018 KT Razorcake/ GOATs of each role, how certain is Mata as best support? How far away are players like Meiko, Ming, Crisp, Missing? Can I cope for Mikyx on the shortlist?

I love the beard thorin!

I'd love to see a ranking of the greatest teams that didn't win worlds.

Epic!

No shot Samsung is 11th. They literally went 9-1 in playoffs and 3-0 ed the 2 tournament favorites Longzhu and SKT

Showmaker 2020 is peak league of legends.

I would say Canyon and Beryl with their latest worlds run overtaken Score and Mata.

Thorin’s MMA references keeps me going.

historical content 🥰

DRX beat at that time the current champions in EDG. They beat their region 1st place team in GenG. They beat the greatest team with the greatest player in T1 & Faker. Tell me a harder route to win the title? 2022 Worlds Semis & Quarters was one of the most stacked.

the myspace joke, is one of the newer "refrence game on point" jokes from thorin, and its only 20 yaers old!

Capt'n Thorin' a kraken's on our tail

Fpx record including playoffs Spring 2019, 18-6, 3rd place Summer 2019, 20-2, 1st place Worlds 2019, 14-6, 1st place I feel like the 10th place rank is clearly based on narratives, all their players were good throughout the season, doinb won an lpl mvp, tian best jungler in both spring and summer and all 5 were on an all pro team, Lwx who gets a lot of hate was great all summer and worlds. They weren't meta reliant as it was mentioned and were never close to getting eliminated, id definitely put them higher

It would be really great to rank best teams to not go to worlds, or something like that. :> (CJE 2015 baybeee)

Worlds MVPs sounds really good

SSW was always the most impressive team I've seen, glad to see that even after these years they're considered the best

Please do an episode like this for MSI?

IG 2018 was my GOAT team, it was total domination

I feel like its only going to get harder to compare current era teams to the older era with the way the game is changing. With DRX, they are really hard to place honestly and the argument that they looked bad and lost to many of the teams at worlds was a result of the meta being so diverse and different from previous worlds so it doesn't really sit well with me because you could say that about any team that had won this years worlds.

I wonder where they would put 2023 T1 on this list

2017 is so slept on wtf. They 3-0d kt in gauntlet, they 3-0d LZ, they 3-1d WE and 3-0d SKT. How can you actually say that they’re the weakest worlds winner?

8:20 even if riot implement double elim next worlds not seeing that kt rolster play more is a fckin crime

dom is back, pog

I agree Samsung white was so much better then every other team in the world at the time. But outside of Korea most of the teams in that tournament was fucking trash tbh.

58:52 beat beat

Dom: SSG is the worst because ardent meta Also Dom: IG best team in the world of all time because akali irelia meta

People need to remember with all those Doinb's weird picks mid in 2019, the best laning mid laners were not able to punish him in lane and had decent amount of cs lead to impact the game. Not even mention in those team fights, Doinb's performance was the best among all those best mid laners at 2019 Worlds.

OMG were the second best team in the world in season 3/4 and nothing will change my mind...

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Can't watch LCS anymore cuz of the scheduling Sadge

So, as someone who is pretty new to the esports, call me cringe, but I can't help but see the similarities between how 2014 SSG was for the world, and how 2019 G2 was for EU specifically. Is taht a good comparison?

The logic they used to have Samsung last they don’t apply to having drx last

If Loopers Singed was a troll pick, what was Fakers Ryze the year after? And yes, everyone just remembered the broken version with the perma snare earlier that season. But Riot actually destroyed that Champion and made it borderline unplayable, which is why no one else touched it during Worlds. Except Faker... who then got solo kills on it.

I'm only at 10/11, but for my money 2014 SSW is #1 over 2015 SKT (and 2020 DWG?) for two reasons: 1. They literally hard trolled the only two games they lost 2. They absolutely shitstomped the #2 team at the tournament in a fashion that hasn't been seen since (between the top 2 teams). It's my favorite series ever

Dom ❤

If G2 won in 2019, where would they be on the list?

Where's S1 Fnatic?

I would put DW 2020 over SKT 2015

straight up drx is beating everyone of the teams except for maybe 2021 edg and 2020 damwon just because of how much better people have gotten.

damwon is clear n1 for me no other team has looked that dominent that they did.

Feel like everyone hates on ssg as a one patch wonder when they were one game from winning worlds in 2016 and then won in 2017

Samsung is simultaneously the best team to win worlds and the worst team to win worlds. That cracked me up. I also think that it's true. I totally agree with the ranking, btw. Neat arguments, pretty fair list.

Longevity of the roster should be a criteria. SSG was in game 5 of the world finals a year before with the same roster. Definitely worst pre tournament form team except maybe DRX, but back to back years of world finals is insane.

I always found the fnatic argument interesting because let’s *suppose* that a currently unestablished region, call it Antarctica, starts a developed league and wins the next 10 world championships, does that invalidate all the previous tournaments before they showed up? I wouldn’t think so

Yall should rank the best worlds as a whole all time.

according to monte, "2015 skt is no 2 cause they werent that good of a team but they excel through worlds''. and also DRX is no9 cause they werent that good of a team but they excel through worlds''.

1-SSW/SSKT 2015 2-SKT 2015/SSW i Think the two are a beast, Samsung was most powerfull, but that was for the meta and the strategy tactical innovation from Dandy-Mata, if other teams knew about that probably they dosent wins with that difference, the loss vs SSB all the year. 3-DWK 4-IG 5-Skt 2013 6-Skt 2016 7-SSG They must the final the last year and they play so well in general they wins 3-0 the finals and also they had a 13-3, one of the best scores. 8- FpX they played so well all that year, they dosent be a meta-depends, they plays so inteligent style, simple the best team with the """worst players""". 9-TPA 10-DRX 11-EDG they dosent have something special, they only win the series. Top of best Not Champions. 1-Rox 2016 2-M5 2012 3- KT 2018 4- T1 2022 5- DWK 2021 6- G2 2019 7- SSB 2014 8-SKT 2019 9-Koo tigers 2015 10) RNG in general, is a miracle this team never wons. Sorry my english is so bad.

thank god there are so many brainless t1 fans in Korea who thinks 2015 SKT is the best but its not even close to SSWs dominance u guys have insight I agree

The disrespect on FPX is astounding.

One point about the hypothetical FPX vs not G2, Doinb gave an interview saying T1 was crushing them in scrims that worlds and they were concerned about having to play them. So it seems like had G2 lost in the semis, it would have likely been a much different final.

If FPX can 3-0 G2 and you put them as last place on this list, what would you be saying about 2019 G2 then? lol

The only reason SKT ‘15 lost a game at worlds is because they also trolled an early game.

It's very surprising to me that you guys put the 2015 SKT run so high up. Sure it was SKT's most dominant showing ever, but I also think the competition that year was very low. That was when every top korean left for china, yet china wasn't even the 2nd best region. Pretty much agree with everything else on the list (might shuffle some stuff by 1) but this one seems very off to me. The 2016 run personally feels stronger from SKT and it's pretty deservedly 6th on this list.

Bruh what happened to Thorin. Preseason Was so long he just came outta his cavern

In all sports you count the winners who won when there were only 6 teams or around that number so Fnatic should count even if they are the worst team to win.

In practice the ranking would probably just be the chronological order, since the players and game evolved over the years. Meaning S12 would win over S11 over S10 over S9 etc. Of course there might be some exceptions, but that's generally how it should go. Sure maybe S11 EDG would be able to beat S12 DRX, but I don't think S7 SSG would lose to S5 SKT T1 or any team before that. Just my opinion, but I find it to be very logical.

I might be biased cause I loved 2019 worlds but imo Monte isn't giving Doinb and FPX enough credit for how innovative their style was. Hard pushing mid priority into jungle/sidelanes reinvented how midlane works globally which is still true today. If strategical legacy is a criteria I would probably put EDG/TPA below them tbh

I dont mind the list but I think samsung got way too trashed on being dead last, what a retcom. They beat longzhu 3-0 and they were the tournament favorites, they then absolutely shit on WE then you get to finals btw 0 people predict samsung to even win they go out and blow skt out saying it was brain-dead patch is a fake arguement other teams had access to these same tools. They were 9-1 in bracket, cuvee destroyed huni, ambition smurfed. Crown gets such a bad wrap for playing malzhar yet faker had one of thee best tournaments ever played dragging skt through multiple games. He just removed faker from the game I think way better then say tpa

Guess before starting: 11. TPA 10. DRX 9. SSG 8. EDG 7. FPX 6. SKT13 5. SKT16 4. IG 3. DWG 2. SKT15 1. SSW

DRX won because 2-5 teams underperformed 😒

fnatic season 1 should be top 5

I think 2020 damwon are straight up unbeatable there was no way to beat them nuguri canyon showmaker were fucking stomping everyone while beryL is roaming everywhere

Gold content.

Not sure how Monte can so confidently say that 2014 was the peak of Korean league of legends? LCK literally just got 4 teams out of groups, 3 of them in first place, into 3 teams into semis and then an LCK vs LCK world finals. The results just don’t add up for him to so confidently say 2014 was the best

FPX is not a patch Zerg, they played the some of the worst champs and had great team cohesion. They were able to take initative by forcing fights on their terms and moving across the map much better than any of the other teams. When behind they would grind and teamfight their way back into games as well. I don't think they belong very high up but they're not the worst team to win Worlds.

That’s bs cause SKT 2015 is the best team ever

I would love DRX up over EDG and SSG over FPX

They do all this discussion on who’s the best then put Samsung white. A team that as they say came from OGN Korea in which they won nothing all year. They show up to worlds and face one hard opponent at what is the easiest tournament they went to all year and win. Then they break up and do nothing else and that’s the best team ever they aren’t even close.

Bro took some Ls in this one

To me, an important consideration is whether or not a team was ever at elimination point in Worlds. That's why I think 2014 SSW, 2015 SKT, and 2020 DWG are top 3 in some order. Also, despite being patch reliant, that 2017 SSG team absolutely rolled through the other LCK teams and deserve the credit. My ranking with FNC removed: 11. 2012 TPA 10. 2019 FPX 9. 2021 EDG 8. 2022 DRX 7. 2016 SKT 6. 2017 SSG 5. 2013 SKT 4. 2018 IG 3. 2020 DWG 2. 2014 SSW 1. 2015 SKT

Haven't watched it yet but hope EDG and DWG are not in top 5. Not only did the overall level drop in 2020-2021, Worlds was a Mickey Mouse tournament during the 'pandemic'.

For me 11th ig - there weren't any good teams at world's that year.

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If SKT won 2019 instead of FPS they would put SKT top 5 but FPS is 10th OMEGALOL . Doinb hate is omega

My opinion before the show based on my arbitrary and personal decision making: SSW 14 (dominant run and high competition) SKT 15 (dominant run but weaker competition) SKT 13 There's a small dropoff after top 3 imo IG 18 SKT 16 DRX 22 DWG 20 SSG 17 FPX 19 EDG 21 (they were good in the final but the rest of the run was ropey af) TPA 12

I think the Damwon team is just a worse version of IG 2018. TheShy peak > Nuguri peak, Rookie peak > Showmaker peak, JKL>>>>>Ghost, Canyon = Ning. Only lane that DWG have over iG is support and that is a close call still. That IG team literally only lost to 1 team and they played like straight fire in a pure bot lane meta. They got unlucky with TheShy getting injured just before spring playoffs. Also, 2019 iG was very close to making the world final where honestly you would favor them to win against G2. They did this with a much worse roster than in 2018 as well in a year filled with drama. The Samsung team is quite underrated, they are the only team to 12-0 the top 4 korean teams (not counting themselves) in b05s. With ambition and ruler as the starting players, they essentially 3-0ed Afreeca, KT, LZ and SKT in the regional qualifier and at worlds. They dropped only 1 game in the worlds playoffs, something only SKT 2015 managed to do, which is quite insane. DRX are the worst team by far, similar to TPA. Nobody had them winning, if this was any other year other than 2022 or 2021, they wouldnt have even made it to worlds. So these guys are easily at the bottom of the list. FPX have a really average roster compared to other worlds winning teams but they played good league. The Damwon team was really terrible until Summer. The meta clicked for canyon and the bot lane and that meta remained the same for like 2-3 years. As i mentioned above, you're crazy if you think the Damwon solo laners were better than the iG solo laners, and Jackeylove dumpsters Ghost. 2013 SKT just doesn't really hold up to today's standards for my money other than Faker's gameplay. EDG had a phenomenal roster but their run was on the edge in every bo5. They went to 5 games in every bo5 and barely won them all essentially. Had they showed a more dominant performance, perhaps they be higher. 2016 SKT is another one filled with drama and roster issues, and a lot of losses in the season. They were insanely clutch but also played 14 out of a possible 15 games in playoffs at worlds. They did produce some high quality league and gave us 2 of the best bo5s in worlds history. 2015 SKT was pure dominance, nobody could beat them in playoffs even once if they played 10 bo5s with each team, same with SSW. They were cemented as the best and nobody was close. Despite that I still have iG as the #1 team because nothing could stop theshy and rookie except their coach kim who was stupid enough to sub theshy out in game 4, where iG could have closed it out against KT. IG was the definition of disrespect and skill check. They were like the school bully and you wouldn't even be able to call your parents for help because iG would stomp your parents as well. Awesome to watch, exciting, and some of the most insane plays ever. I will leave you with this gem kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ha5kntyJs66UgXU.html 11: DRX 10: TPA 9: FPX 8: Samsung 7: SKT 2013 6: Damwon 5: EDG 4: SKT 2016 3: SKT 2015 2: SSW 1: IG