Keymo is not bomb proof for serious shooters. The teeth on the detent wear down and you have to replace them. If you’re only putting 600 rounds a year down range, it’s a great toy. However I have 8000 last year and replaced not only the detent, but a whole mount because the lugs were also starting to wear. I’ve decided to buy a surefire can at this point.

@@MrMcBeej 1. I'm mainly referencing native not hub. 2. Out of all the QD systems, keymo is by far the most bomb proof. Surefire gets carbon locked more than owners life requiring you to shoot the can off. Plus, depending on the muzzle device (like the war comp or anything that doesn't have the rear ridge) your suppression can be vary greatly. 3. Like I said, way more than 3k and I shoot more guns than just what I use my Sandman for.

@@MrMcBeej good luck with that

@@PrayingPandaIve got a little over 13k on my rc2, only time ive shot it off was when I wanted to see what it would do. The carbon lock issue is less of an actual issue and more of a lack of preventive maintenance.

The weight of the adapter was something I never even considered before I mounted the suppressor up for the first time and immediately felt the change in balance. I waited just under 6 months for my stamp and was researching on and off for about 4 months before I bought the Dead Air components. I don't know why, but I couldn't find much on the Rearden Atlas until about a week before I got the suppressor in-hand.

Agree

That's my takeaway as well. The KeyMo has a place, and is definitely more "quick" than the Atlas (which uses the Plan B). I am guessing a lot of the misalignment issues people have noted come from people either not gingerly cranking the suppressor into place or from the collar not being in the correct starting position prior to starting the process. Regarding cost, I can sell my KeyMo adapter second-hand (keeping the muzzle devices) and use the funds to buy both a rearden muzzle device and Atlas new. Haven't sold my KeyMo yet as I might want to use it on a K can down the line, but it's a substantial difference. But the biggest complaint I had was simply weight differences between the two.

The majority of the turbulence from the blast interacts with the suppressor or muzzle device well after the bullet is out of the barrel. There will be some deviation whether there is a suppressor, muzzle device, flash hider, bare barrel, ...etc, but I only noticed about 3/4" POI at 50 yards between the flash hider unsuppressed and the flash hider + suppressor with the same ammo. So I just zeroed with the can on.

The Keymo and the Q Plan B were both available years ago. The Rearden mounting is essentially the same as the Plan B, plus a spot to get a wrench on the muzzle device. So that 2022 Mustang is using the same tech as the 2015, but with some slightly different body panels. The Xeno seems like a decent idea and more similar in design and weight, but the ecosystem is not as broadly developed as the Plan B that the Rearden uses. Ultimately, this video is more about highlighting the stark differences in design and use philosophy, not so much about choosing the closest products and comparing the nuanced differences.

@@fnjay24 I rocksett all of my muzzle devices to the barrel and put a tiny bit of rocksett in the mount-to-can threads. The threads on the can side probably won't need it if you torque the mount down properly, but I did it for added peace of mind because I don't really plan on swapping mounts that often going forward.

It's pretty-well locked on by friction. I've not been using mine heavily, but it's never given a hint of loosening unless I'm trying.

If you've got a suppressor mounted, I don't think it matters much either way. I'd choose more based on the shooting you plan to do when you don't have a can on the rifle. If there is a possibility of indoors or in proximity to other people (within about 6' or so) I'd recommend a flash hider. If it's a range-toy only, then a brake is great for that extra bit of recoil reduction.

@@rjg02005 hey I appreciate the response!! I do plan to keep it on there most of the time and then I didn’t know if the muzzle break disperse the gas in the suppressor better or not! Thank you!

@@WantDaSmoke a direct mount will give you the most internal volume. People say a brake will act as a "sacrificial baffle" and prolong your suppressor life but I don't think that's very realistic for what most shooters are able to put through their guns in a lifetime.

My next can is likely to be a Polonium K. I did a class this past weekend and the can came off the flash hider without an issue at the end.

@@rjg02005 any opinion on if polonium or polonium k would be better on 11.5”?

@@msquared9605 I don't have experience with either the full size polonium or the K. I will say that in the class I just attended, two guys had surefire suppressors, one was a full size and the other was a mini. The full size suppressed both flash and sound much better than the mini, but the mini did a pretty solid job of taking the edge off the concussion, despite the gas flame that ejected from the front of the can with each trigger pull. Both were on sub-16" barreled uppers. (My Enticer S suppressed better than both, btw.) That said, 5.56 is still plenty loud, even with the best suppressors available. Therefore I'm mostly concerned with taking the edge off so I don't entirely blow out my hearing if I have to rip off a handful of rounds indoors without earpro.

@@rjg02005 good points. I’m still waiting to decide between polonium and rc2 but one being under half the price is a pretty good selling point lol my 30cal trash panda suppresses my 16” 5.56 well under hearing safe so I’m not all that worried about trying to get every bit of performance out of a 5.56 dedicated can. Especially for the money, I don’t think it’s possible to be dissatisfied with anything from Otter Creek

Two reasons: 1) The suppressor I'm using is a .30 caliber can that's shared between my 5.56 and my 300 BLK (and will later be on a .308 or some other .30 caliber rifle). Barrel thread pitch on those guns is different so I'd have to swap the adapter each time I move the suppressor to another gun. 2) The 5.56 will also be used occasionally without the suppressor, and I'd much prefer a flash hider over a bare muzzle when unsuppressed. If I was going to have a suppressor dedicated to a specific upper, I'd direct thread it to save even more weight, cost, and length.

Taper mount is not direct thread. The taper won't let the can back off like direct thread does

Nope. Just used in the video as a size comparison to the Readen and DeadAir flash hiders.

Do you know which one works? I have the enticer s and an a2 flash hider

Thanks for the video, too! These things can be very confusing 😕

@@deanmicheljunioralexis2817 i have an FHD and R2S (flash hiders) and a SPB (brake), all by rearden mfg, all mating to the Rearden Atlas in titanium. Anything marketed as being compatible with the "Plan B" mount should work.

100% agree with your point on using direct thread if the can is essentially dedicated to one rifle. Because I'm moving it between a two firearms, a 1/2-28 and a 5/8-24, I'd rather have the adapter remain threaded to the suppressor as opposed having to remove that every time I wanted to change guns. I'm interested to see how sticky the Rearden system is. For the moment, I'd much prefer have it get carbon locked on rather than to have it walk off and risk destroying my suppressor. And that said, I do really like the ease of use of the KeyMo, and haven't sold my kit, so who knows if I'll change my mind after I get significant time with the Rearden. Likewise, if I end up getting a dedicated 5.56 can, it'll probably be directly attached.

@@rjg02005 Would add that the other problem with the DeadAir system is that it’s VERY expensive. .30 cal muzzle device (from Lantec) cost me about $150 and the KeyMo is a cool $200+.

@@rjg02005how sticky did it get ? Any update ?

@@rccaraddict294 I only shot about 150 rounds through my 12.5". No issues at all - though I wouldn't expect any at that low count. I had a bit of trouble removing the suppressor when it was hot, but this is expected with any mount. Once it was cool-ish it came off easy. I put 20 rounds through my 20" and ended up pulling off the flash hider with the suppressor (this was totally my fault for not wanting to add another washer and torque the flash hider when timing it). A compilation of shooting footage is on the channel. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nMx7d8l4yJvdpoU.html

I'm looking forward to picking one up! I saw it announced a few days after I got my rearden mind in the mail.

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