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Recording Acoustic Guitar And Vocals At The Same Time

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@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
What are some of your favourite microphones for vocals and guitar? Share below
@leefchapman
@leefchapman 2 жыл бұрын
Currently using the JZ V11 and Lewitt LCT 640! TS
@KarenBasset
@KarenBasset 2 жыл бұрын
I like the SM7 for vocals especially if the singer is also playing guitar. My other vocal mic is a MA200.
@HitTheRoadMusicStudio
@HitTheRoadMusicStudio 2 жыл бұрын
Currently Lewitt LCT 540, tasty!
@JohannesLabusch
@JohannesLabusch 2 жыл бұрын
Vocals "Weird Audio" U47 clone (I think it's called Mod 1), cardioid pattern, angled up, guitar Octava 010 on the 12th fret, and an Austrian Audio OC818 angled away, toward the belly of the guitar. I pan the guitar mics slightly left and right and keep the vocal mic in the center.
@mannysmiclocker
@mannysmiclocker 2 жыл бұрын
@@leefchapman wicked cool!
@cbrooks0905
@cbrooks0905 2 жыл бұрын
You know the best live, singer playing and singing acoustic recording I ever got was when I had no clue what I was doing and I think I got lucky with the mic placement because it sounded super clean like this. I always thought it was the room, but after hearing these results I think I had the mics perfectly in phase. What a happy accident. It only took me 10 years to stumble across the answer. Awesome stuff as always! Thanks!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Happy accidents indeed! It happens a lot
@mannysmiclocker
@mannysmiclocker 2 жыл бұрын
So great! Thanks for sharing. I’m with ya at 20years lol
@KarenBasset
@KarenBasset 2 жыл бұрын
I've done this with two mics on guitar cab to get the capsules aligned. Flip one out of phase and position them to cancel the sound. I didn't use a tone though, I ran a guitar loop through the amp, listened with headphones, moved mics to cancel out, then flip the phase back.
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Great tip! Thanks for sharing, Karen. You rock!
@rawkinj6609
@rawkinj6609 2 жыл бұрын
Manny is amazing !! I'm hooked on Manny's authenticity and Warren doing such a good job with PLAP! Cheers!✌🔥❤
@mannysmiclocker
@mannysmiclocker 2 жыл бұрын
Fire J! Appreciated you checking in and sharing.
@pierredestin8079
@pierredestin8079 2 жыл бұрын
Fanfuckingtastic, thanks been struggling with recording acoustic sessions. This works and the physics adds up great
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing Pierre! Looking forward to the results.
@mannysmiclocker
@mannysmiclocker 2 жыл бұрын
So great and glad to hear Pierre! Warren and Crue care so feel free to always inquire ;)
@HitTheRoadMusicStudio
@HitTheRoadMusicStudio 2 жыл бұрын
Manny's tutorials always rules and are so helpful in daily Recording situations - Small tricks with big effect, thx for sharing man!
@mannysmiclocker
@mannysmiclocker 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks HTRMS!! Your comments are Fire! My friend ;)
@tom_k_d
@tom_k_d 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks - this trick however would just work for a fixed frequency? Phase can be flipped at the preamp, but what actually requires compensation is the difference in travel path = delay between the two mic signals, which is independent from frequency? Of course you can use the trick to make the two mic's sound waves travel paths equal, but this can only be done for one sound source at a time, either guitar or vocals...
@zackpassman
@zackpassman 2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate videos like this. I would love to learn more recording engineering tips like this
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Zack! We're here to help and blessed to have Manny share his tips and tricks.
@josealfonso5260
@josealfonso5260 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve always wondered how to get the best sounds from sessions like these. Im learning a lot from this channel!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Jose!
@lance134679
@lance134679 2 жыл бұрын
This is a great trick. Often singers feel comfortable singing and strumming, so give their best performance that way, but it's always a nightmare to record and mix. There's still a lot of bleed, but at least the acoustic and vocal tracks aren't fighting each other. Oh, and looking forward to the release of your new single "It's Time to go back to school" :-). Thanks!
@mannysmiclocker
@mannysmiclocker 2 жыл бұрын
Ha so cool and thanks for sharing Lawrence ,)
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed 100%!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
@@mannysmiclocker You Rock my friend!!
@anecho7010
@anecho7010 2 жыл бұрын
This is just the best! Thanks so much
@scottsagor674
@scottsagor674 2 жыл бұрын
Science + Application of Science always wins - this will be my new jam - thank you!!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Marvellous
@juanoyhenart5139
@juanoyhenart5139 2 жыл бұрын
Really nice! Also great the faced pair with 2 figure 8 for acoustic and voice!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@Joey-rp5vg
@Joey-rp5vg 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant trick Mani. Thanks very much for the video and thanks to the PLAP team
@mannysmiclocker
@mannysmiclocker 2 жыл бұрын
You are the best Joey! Yes PLAP Rock 100%
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks ever so much Joey!
@tom_k_d
@tom_k_d 2 жыл бұрын
Root cause for potential problems are not phase but transit time differences, causing frequency dependent phase issues as a result. The dilemma is: one can compensate transit time differences (in a DAW: aligning the waveforms of the two signals till they match) only for one source at once, but there are two sources, plus these sources are slightly moving, and even small movements can create ugly phasing effects in the high frequency domain. Actually the safest method to record such a setting would be to have the two mics at the same physical location, with just different orientation: one oriented at vocals, the other at guitar - sort of xy stereo.
@mannysmiclocker
@mannysmiclocker 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing and of course that is all correct. Appreciated the knowledge Regaridng mic set up.
@billyhughes9776
@billyhughes9776 2 жыл бұрын
Fan-fooking-tastic. Thanks again and as always -- Manny is da man!
@mannysmiclocker
@mannysmiclocker 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah Billy! Thanks for sharing and checking in my man!
@franlarsen80
@franlarsen80 2 жыл бұрын
I think this just results in better phase at your test-tone frequency, but not across the spectrum. Is that correct? And if so, how is that helpful?
@mannysmiclocker
@mannysmiclocker 2 жыл бұрын
Fran, thanks for inquiring. This text was more of a lesson to use as a tool if needed. Yes the tone would be a solid sound source in phase but this a good starting point. As soon as the Artist sits down you can then adjust. Not for everyone but I’ve had a few times this helped me personally. It’s also a cool way to learn how different mics work and sound. Getting a good image of audio is phase related. Back to the Beatles it’s always been important for analog to now digital. Sure everything now can be aligned but thickness and the glue of audio sometimes in the dance of in phase or out ;) if you had a bass sound too thick double track and put one out of phase. Then creep up in volume the out of phase track and you can thin out to taste low end. It’s a curse and a blessing. You are appreciated Fran. Thank you.
@curtis_chip
@curtis_chip 2 жыл бұрын
Impressive…Thank you Manny! cool cool
@mannysmiclocker
@mannysmiclocker 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing Curtis ;)
@gagsmedia
@gagsmedia 2 жыл бұрын
You’re a great teacher Manny,You explain things clearly which is easy to understand.Thanks for taking the time to share your expertise. Great tips ! Thanks x
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Manny Rules!!
@mannysmiclocker
@mannysmiclocker 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks GVT for sharing! You are appreciated.
@anthonysimpson6353
@anthonysimpson6353 2 жыл бұрын
Manny is amazing, and really knows what he is talking about. He is also very passionate about music. Keep it up!
@mannysmiclocker
@mannysmiclocker 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Anthony!!!!! Thanks for the kind words brother ;)
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Yes! We love Manny!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
@@mannysmiclocker You Rock!
@guglielmonigro
@guglielmonigro 2 жыл бұрын
Simple and perfect
@DThompson55
@DThompson55 2 жыл бұрын
Next level stuff... great video!
@dangerunchained3128
@dangerunchained3128 2 жыл бұрын
Dang, that sounded awesome at the end. I'll have to try this. Thanks for the knowledge!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks ever so much!
@Drawmack
@Drawmack 2 жыл бұрын
If I'm checking multiple mics is it ok to make sure that all the mics are in phase with one mic or should I check all possible pairs?
@leefchapman
@leefchapman 2 жыл бұрын
Manny is the KING of secrets. We are not worthy.
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
haha - thanks, Lee
@andytullis8736
@andytullis8736 2 жыл бұрын
What a great tip! Thank you
@johanarens9798
@johanarens9798 2 жыл бұрын
Manny, thanks for sharing, I will give it a try for sure !
@mannysmiclocker
@mannysmiclocker 2 жыл бұрын
Good luck and if any questions please hit us up ,)
@sonidojamon
@sonidojamon 2 жыл бұрын
Song Lyrics: "Check! Is this mike on? Hey! Is this mike on? Are you playing? Yes, I am. Hey! It's time to go back to school. Hey! It's time to get a coffee. It's time to return that call. And get back... home." This is my first song for every gig soundcheck from now on.
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Haha do it!
@mannysmiclocker
@mannysmiclocker 2 жыл бұрын
You made my day Sean Ha so good my man!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
@@mannysmiclocker yes!!
@analogdreamertheproducer4850
@analogdreamertheproducer4850 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this amazing trick! 🖤
@mannysmiclocker
@mannysmiclocker 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks and you are appreciated for sharing.
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
You are welcome!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
@@mannysmiclocker You Rock!
@scottspaldingofficial
@scottspaldingofficial 2 жыл бұрын
Perfect timing for this video! I'm planning on doing some recordings this weekend using methods I haven't tried before 🙂
@mannysmiclocker
@mannysmiclocker 2 жыл бұрын
Let us know! Thanks for checking out video Scott. PLAP always ahead of the curve ;)
@chrishepburn1503
@chrishepburn1503 2 жыл бұрын
Great technique! I love Manny.
@mannysmiclocker
@mannysmiclocker 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for checking out Chris. I dig Warren and Co always pushing the envelope of audio engineering . It’s truly a lost art.
@chrishepburn1503
@chrishepburn1503 2 жыл бұрын
@@mannysmiclocker I also really enjoyed your "Show Us Your Junk" for Earthquaker Devices.
@johnsavold2
@johnsavold2 2 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't this only solve the problem for one source (the guitar) at one frequency (the sine wave frequency )? I thought phase is frequency dependent. Don't you also have the problem that the vocal wouldn't necessarily be picked up in phase because it's emanating from a different location?
@Mio-fu1sr
@Mio-fu1sr 2 жыл бұрын
i like it like it
@KirtanFi
@KirtanFi Жыл бұрын
This is amazing thanks for sharing. Few questions pls 1) would you get a similar result from close mic-ing the guitar with a hypercardioid mic? 2) is this technique specifically to pick up room tones as well?
@josealfonso5260
@josealfonso5260 2 жыл бұрын
Question: when you try to mix a session like this and you want to tune the vocals and give it a modern pop mix, what are the steps you would typically do? Do you gate the vocals?
@tom_k_d
@tom_k_d 2 жыл бұрын
It is not possible with high quality results, as you'd simultaneously de-tune guitar crosstalk into the vocal mic, be it ever so slight.
@mannysmiclocker
@mannysmiclocker 2 жыл бұрын
Tuning is always better with one sound source . This trick maybe applies for to a live performance being captured. Please always feel free to ask any questions and we will try to help my friend.
@mannysmiclocker
@mannysmiclocker 2 жыл бұрын
@@tom_k_d that’s a killer idea and most mixing tricks is these kinda of ways. I’d say Dtune and blend in with original sound source. Thanks for sharing Tom.
@Art_Of_Sound
@Art_Of_Sound 2 жыл бұрын
You just use the fig 8 mics and use spectral deconstruct to adjust stuff separately. (eg spectral layers in cubase etc)..modern pop auto tune will age quickly. and is the worst killer of quality performance.
@DanielGuillaud
@DanielGuillaud 2 жыл бұрын
thank you ! what a great technique. but now i have a B in my ears :) the best results for me to record guitar vocals. small diaphragm microphone on the guitar and figure en8 for the voice and especially no headphones. it kills the interpretation! my humble opinion
@mannysmiclocker
@mannysmiclocker 2 жыл бұрын
I dig that! There are a 100 ways and we’ve all tried. This was a test in discipline and belief in self Ha thrilled it worked period ;)
@DanielGuillaud
@DanielGuillaud 2 жыл бұрын
@@mannysmiclocker thank you for sharing your knowledge with us you are great! Merci et bravo !
@joantoribiomusic
@joantoribiomusic 2 жыл бұрын
For me, I prefer to record the vocals and guitar separately. But I respect those who not.
@leefchapman
@leefchapman 2 жыл бұрын
It obviously depends based on the artist, production, and genre. I respect those that can capture them separately and make them feel like it's performed together !
@Art_Of_Sound
@Art_Of_Sound 2 жыл бұрын
@@leefchapman Yep something magical happens...not only when true artists play but the lost art of performing as a group vs single tracking...I was always clinical single tracking but the last 10 years have taught me that its chalk and cheese...music is about connection; not perfection :-) and keep that stinking pitch correction away...be real and just do the time of practice. Auto tune is voice porn...just not real!
@ER-yq1lc
@ER-yq1lc 2 жыл бұрын
I've been messing around with a C12 clone for vocals and an 87 clone on guitar after I saw the Tom Petty "somewhere you feel free" documentary. This will be a great trick to add in to get it sounding really good. Any added advice if doing this technique live tracking with a band in the room?
@ElcanaldeReyesManuel
@ElcanaldeReyesManuel 2 жыл бұрын
Un vídeo estupendo
@mannysmiclocker
@mannysmiclocker 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!!!
@splashesin8
@splashesin8 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Manny! 😊
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
You Rock Audrey!
@patrickjosephtobin8014
@patrickjosephtobin8014 2 жыл бұрын
i use small amps i use a 57 on the front & a 58 in the back out of phase it rocks massive sound . 12w amps
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks ever so much for sharing
@dpinskey
@dpinskey 2 жыл бұрын
Great technique. Was thinking about buying one of those Radial Phazer boxes to do this electronically but since I’m not messing with anyone else’s time and can do this for no monies, than this technique sounds like a winner to me!
@Art_Of_Sound
@Art_Of_Sound 2 жыл бұрын
Hiya...always appreciative of efforts and the willingness to share and help others (Thanks Manny and Warren). I do have a couple of things though...just on pure maths 1. You are using a pure tone and the phase is only relative to that wavelength and the the multiples thereof. 2. Most voice fundamentals are generally 80-200hz )bass/baritone/tenor etc) so the 1k might give an idea of harmonics but I dont see how this can really do much at all (except for the 1k) 3. Its going to be tough with any non coincident point of mic placement and will always be a compromise EXCEPT 4. Using 2 figure 8 mics on their side and using the null sides to create rejection eg Imagine an r88 on its side, the on axis of mic 1 points to the guitar and the on axis of mic 2 (which is at 90 degrees to mic 1) pics up the voice This produces an almost perfect take, NO cancellation and just need to move the mic to the sweet spot, rough balance of vox and guitar (Can be LDC as well) Time IS Freq/phase distortion when adding waves regardless of if its in the DAW/Pre/whatever I really respect Manny and see he is a really genuine guy...but it just doesnt make sense in terms of wideband audio recording ie not pure tones/no harmonics as it will always be a compromise and some freq will cancel and some will null depending on distance etc. (imvho)...please explain? Thats not to say...sometimes accidents do happen and they sound ok...but knowing why is important :-)
@claytondouglasmusic
@claytondouglasmusic 2 жыл бұрын
Just saying, your voice is not annoying in my opinion.
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
I smiled when he started performing
@claytondouglasmusic
@claytondouglasmusic 2 жыл бұрын
@@Producelikeapro me too!
@mannysmiclocker
@mannysmiclocker 2 жыл бұрын
Ha you both need to get ears checkup lol thank you sincerely ;)
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
@@mannysmiclocker haha you rock my friend!
@gooneybird808
@gooneybird808 2 жыл бұрын
now that's some good info!!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks ever so much!
@m.i.stapes
@m.i.stapes Жыл бұрын
This is a really excellent tip.
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro Жыл бұрын
Thanks ever so much
@JuusoHoo
@JuusoHoo 4 ай бұрын
Oh!! This trick is interesting and it needs a dynamic and a fig8.or can y do this.also with other mic capsulefigures?
@JuusoHoo
@JuusoHoo 4 ай бұрын
I tried also a technic wirh 2 fig8 mics in 90° angle and it did separate vocal&guitar somehow, but this your tehnyt is still a mystery, have to test it in practice. So I could use this also with f.ex. vocal and violin... 😮. By the way your 12string soundi nice!
@CreapFreek
@CreapFreek 2 жыл бұрын
Great trick!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 жыл бұрын
Yes! Manny rules!!
@graxav
@graxav 2 жыл бұрын
Fab - I just could not help wanting to normalise the Guitar track! Difference in gain is surprising.
@patrickfouhy9102
@patrickfouhy9102 11 ай бұрын
Fantastic idea, I do this when using multiple mics on a guitar cab as well. Watching this does remind me though of how absolutely insane it is that Pro Tools doesn't allow you to flip the polarity of a track without a plugin. . How dumb is that!?!?! haha.
@Esrom_music
@Esrom_music 2 жыл бұрын
Why does the guitar sound distorted?
@whisperthiefmusic
@whisperthiefmusic 2 жыл бұрын
Has anyone found a good phone app that can generate the test tone?!!!
@Dave-Rough-Diamond-Dunn
@Dave-Rough-Diamond-Dunn 2 жыл бұрын
No, I haven't looked, but it's a sine wave generator that you're looking for if that helps.
@tortillaman2491
@tortillaman2491 2 жыл бұрын
I like the mic that lets me call outer space.
@mpasistasyalanci
@mpasistasyalanci 2 жыл бұрын
Nice idea but i see a lot of wrong things in this video. 1. The amp and the acoustic guitar are not in the same place so why bother, 2. using a high pitch sound, a more frequent one ,gives you more probability to align in phase(in a next wavelength) while the low end might be out of phase, 3. you check the phase for the acoustic, but the vocals have more impact and you dont align the phase on those, 4. this way you check for a tone that you wont use and you may have a position of the mic that doesnt work the best for your actual source, etc... In my opinion it is better to check where you capture the best sound and you can move slightly the waveforms in your daw. It takes less time and gives better results while you keep your energy for the performance
@mpasistasyalanci
@mpasistasyalanci 2 жыл бұрын
I dont want to say that something doesnt work well without giving a plan b that i think it works so here is my method. Go and set the mics while wearing headphones, the vocal mic is the ''steady'' one, move the guitar mic to a position that you like. Press record and sing, speak etc, then play guitar. Now you have a part of vocals and one of guitar. Move slightly the guitar waveform ( i use the nudge fuction in reaper), while you hear both channels first the vocal part until you like what you are hearing, then check if the guitar sound good also. If it sounds good on both sources and you want to achieve the same result without moving waveforms, just think about what move you made and go to position the mic further or closer and check again. In few takes you will be fine overall, it will never be perfect all the time cause the guitar is moving while you play, also while singing you change the distance from the mic a lot. It works well and you have a opinion about the sound before recording the actual songs take
@mannysmiclocker
@mannysmiclocker 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed and appreciated the message ;)
@TheMaddoxfam
@TheMaddoxfam 2 жыл бұрын
He never actually discussed what out of phase means, he only discussed how to fix it and some of the symptoms.
@TheMaddoxfam
@TheMaddoxfam 2 жыл бұрын
Being out of phase is whenever one microphone captures the source at a spacing greater than 1/4 wave length apart from another microphone or sound source such as a DI. This causes a positive amplitude and negative amplitude to cancel each other out in the frequency spectrum. Inverting the polarity (no such thing as inverting phase) can sometimes flip your signals to be back phase aligned with one another. You can also physically move things as he does in this video or you can add delay to the recorded files to get them back in phase.
@leefchapman
@leefchapman 2 жыл бұрын
Fair point - For those that don't know, when audio is "out of phase", it is due to a delay in the signal from one mic to another due to the distance they are apart. This can create the cancellation of frequencies that can lead to the source signal's ton sounding dull or thin or and changing in volume. So you want to ensure that your audio sources are "in phase". This is a neat trick on how to ensure you're in phase so you won't have issues during mixing.
@leefchapman
@leefchapman 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheMaddoxfam ah you replied already :D
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