REP Fitness Utility Seat and Bench Pad Compatibility Test - Rogue, Oak Club, Surplus Strength

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Basement Brandon

Basement Brandon

Күн бұрын

Today we take a look at the new REP Utility Seat and Bench Pad. This product is advertised as fitting both 47" and 49" wide racks as well as a wide variety of accessories. Let's put it to the test!
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0:00 Intro
6:01 Rogue Monster
7:48 Oak Club
8:39 Surplus Strength
9:23 Lever Arms
10:33 Upright Storage
11:48 Bench Pad Add On
12:51 Final Thoughts

Пікірлер: 155
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
Would you sit on it?
@NoFate247
@NoFate247 Жыл бұрын
Not going to sit on itself....
@BRUTUSPLAC
@BRUTUSPLAC Жыл бұрын
My Soloflex bench (seat) took a FFFF beating 33-20 ?years ago ( its in storage ) OH YES on the new Rogue
@KronosPR1
@KronosPR1 Жыл бұрын
did you tested on the Rogue Spotter Arms?
@parrisheverettep
@parrisheverettep Жыл бұрын
Nope
@RNCHFND
@RNCHFND Жыл бұрын
Absolutely
@NoFate247
@NoFate247 Жыл бұрын
Great Breakdown. Feel like this is going to be great for many folks and unused by others, depending on your lifting style and rack setup
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
agreed, even resale value on this should be great as it can fit any rack.
@babygiantbarbell1014
@babygiantbarbell1014 Жыл бұрын
Great review, Brandon. I was a bit skeptical about the price, but you did a great job of highlighting the value in the versatility.
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
I think if you're struggling to do a lot of these movements, this makes sense. But if you're looking to buy one thinking you'd do movements with it, I prob wouldn't suggest.
@segason6
@segason6 Жыл бұрын
Great channel man! Super cool and well put together content ❤
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
Thanks a ton!
@KaizenDIYGym
@KaizenDIYGym Жыл бұрын
Very thorough and informative, thanks for taking the time to dig deep!
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
Thanks, enjoyed your Massenomics appearance!
@andie_pl
@andie_pl Жыл бұрын
We need a first impressions of that Hansu combo!!
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
I can do that soon.
@RoryEllisMusic
@RoryEllisMusic Жыл бұрын
Great video as usual Brandon 🤙🏼
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
Thanks Mr. Ellis
@tazRenegade
@tazRenegade Жыл бұрын
Good stuff Brandon! It’s great to see the extra 5/8 pins worked for your strap safeties. I’m planning on going that route myself for my PR5000, though gonna wait for your take on their 2.0 strap safeties. Thanks for your hard work!
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
Did you see my reel on IG? I prefer the shackle style like I have still, but will do a video on REPs soon.
@RichardDonelan
@RichardDonelan 11 ай бұрын
Any idea the usable shaft length of the supplied 5/8" pins Brandon? Vendetta 180° Adapters for RG 2.0 Lever Arms require 5/8" x (minimum) 5" long.... Wondering could the Rep one's be used there?! ;0
@censorethis
@censorethis Жыл бұрын
Great review! I picked one up recently as well and agree with your review. My 3M tape also began to peel off, so I used some UHMW tape to secure the ends. The only other callout I have is that I wish they included someway to securely store the bolts for the seat pad when not in use as there is no great place for them and worry they will get lost. Something like a magnetic head or a location under the seat where they can be secured.
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
That's a good call, mine are dangling from the top support lol
@ShawntreezyBreezy
@ShawntreezyBreezy Жыл бұрын
Sweet been waiting for the big doggs look at this , love having this in my gym , 👊
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
Glad to hear!
@joecowan3719
@joecowan3719 Жыл бұрын
Great review, seems like they really took their time with developing this one and love how it fits competitor racks. I am still on the fence since I would probably only use it for seal rows on my spotters.
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
Yeah I told them when they asked if I were interested that I didn't see much use for it since I have so much crap already, but figured being able to test the versatility between brands might help some make up their mind.
@MrPanthers23
@MrPanthers23 Жыл бұрын
Have one and love it. Seal rows feel great. Calf raises with it feel so mich more stable.
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
Great to hear!
@twistedbarbell3950
@twistedbarbell3950 Жыл бұрын
Great review. I’ve been on the fence (invoice sitting in inbox), as I think the cost with pad is more than I’d like. It would definitely come in handy and more and more uses remain to be discovered!
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
I think if you can see yourself using it for some of these exercises it would be worthwhile, but if you're just looking to add gear to add gear, prob will collect dust.
@twistedbarbell3950
@twistedbarbell3950 Жыл бұрын
@@BasementBrandon I've got a few things in mind for it, like Seal rows and more. I originally thought to build my own until they announced the impending release.
@impaledface7694
@impaledface7694 Жыл бұрын
I kind of thought this was going to be a joke the first time I saw this. After you mentioning some exercises I started thinking about it and this is a real winner.
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
I think there is a lot more you could do with this if you're creative. I'm a boring powerlifter so this is the extent for me lol.
@JoelP1961
@JoelP1961 Жыл бұрын
Nice! I’m waiting for Rep to release a V2 version of their belt squat attachment.
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
I know they've revised it once already
@CarlosGarcia-nt4wf
@CarlosGarcia-nt4wf Жыл бұрын
Use to watch you when I was in high school back around 2012-2016. Good to see you still uploading, I noticed you changed your channel name
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
Trying to get away from being a brand and just back to being a person. I appreciate the support over the years!
@CarlosGarcia-nt4wf
@CarlosGarcia-nt4wf Жыл бұрын
@@BasementBrandon Stay posting bro you inspired my brother and I alot, watching your deadlifts vids along with Chris Jones before our deadlift sessions helped with cues and mind muscle connection. Still amazed at how effortless you make any lift look w/that pokerface. I remember you being able to deadlift in the 600 hundreds with ease but your back got destroyed weeding your yard years ago lol
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
@@CarlosGarcia-nt4wf Old man life... don't get hurt from lifting, but from stupid stuff like unloading the dish washer lol
@TheFarrOutpost
@TheFarrOutpost Жыл бұрын
well, now I have to go order the 5/8ths detent pins... lol. Thanks a lot man!
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
Always looking out for ya ;)
@TheChur
@TheChur Жыл бұрын
I ended up ordering the spotter arms and the utility seat at the same time, not realizing Rep spotter arm holes are 1 inch even for my PR4000 rack. Both pins means it’s compatible with the spotter arms and the rack itself that’s 5/8. I do agree you should be able to pick though as some people with 1” racks will have no use for those 5/8 pins. The protective tape also came off on mine on one side again and again so in a rage I tore off smaller piece and am using it on the side I’m seal rowing on and it’s holding up. I’m going to come up with a more permanent solution. Great review, thanks for making it!
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
Seems the tape didn't work so well for most :(
@PBlaik
@PBlaik Жыл бұрын
Great review - can't agree more that the Rouge Jammer Arms never get used 😫
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
😅
@GalickGon
@GalickGon Жыл бұрын
This is pretty dope and if it fits on the 16 crossmembers in the back I’d probably get it to use for GHR like the promo photos on reps site.
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
😮
@lsmjake
@lsmjake Жыл бұрын
Super solid utility seat, I love mine also. I also use it in a Rogue (Monster Lite) rack. If in the market for one, I see no reason why you wouldn't get this utility seat above all other brands.
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
agreed!
@josemryou
@josemryou Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video Brandon. Would you recommend this for box squats? Usually they are done across a corner of a square pad
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
It can be done but I do prefer an angled edge to sit on. The sacrifice here is you don't get that, but you don't have to buy a stand alone box.
@samrmills
@samrmills Жыл бұрын
Thx for the review. I'm wondering where you sourced the bright zinc low profile safety pins (vs cotter) you mentioned you replaced with the black ones REP sent with the seat? I called REP...unfortunately they can't sell the pins alone...yet
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
I got them through McMaster Carr
@surfboard32
@surfboard32 10 ай бұрын
I bought this seat and was trying to figure out a way to store this upright on my PR-5000. I pleased to find it fit perfectly upright on the rear stabilizer brace. It does not get in the way of any attachments, to include the Lat pull down with eights.
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon 10 ай бұрын
Nice! Appreciate the insight!
@HughLeFitness
@HughLeFitness Жыл бұрын
Very thorough review as usual. Are you a one-man team? You do all your filming and editing?
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
Yes, still just a side hobby for me. Today was an off day so went down and filmed, edited and uploaded this. Prob why it's so low budget lol
@HughLeFitness
@HughLeFitness Жыл бұрын
@@BasementBrandon The quality is very good. Keep up the good work!
@souloho3900
@souloho3900 Жыл бұрын
I would use it like you did with the spotter arms for hip thrusts
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
Interesting!
@RGrizzzz
@RGrizzzz Жыл бұрын
Any thoughts on the usefulness of this vs something like the Sorinex Bulldog pad? I know they aren't the same, but seal rows seem like one of the major functions of the seat+pad. I might have missed it, but is there much difference between this and the Rogue? There's only $30 difference between the two, plus Rogue's shipping. (Always hold out for a BF purchase)
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
I don't believe it's easy to do a full on seal row with the bulldog since you can't lay parallel with the floor. I think they both are pieces that offer a lot of potential, if you're ready/willing/able to set it up. For this and the Rogue, biggest differences is that this has integrated handles, can have a bench tad attach, and can fit on multiple brands/racks.
@luccianogambeta2917
@luccianogambeta2917 Жыл бұрын
Great video as usual. What's that bar you used for seal rows?
@lsmjake
@lsmjake Жыл бұрын
Looks like the ROGUE MG-4CN NARROW MULTI GRIP CAMBER BAR in custom white color.
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
Yep as someone said, Rogue MG-4CN
@chrismurphy7320
@chrismurphy7320 Жыл бұрын
I have a rep PR4000 and the rep flip down safeties for the 4000 include 1” holes along the safety. Probably why it comes with both sets of hardware.
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
Right on!
@edwardmeyer7178
@edwardmeyer7178 Жыл бұрын
The 3M tape on mine stayed on perfectly fine only after seemingly activating it with a heat gun. The perfect fix...
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
Glad to hear!
@scooobyj8714
@scooobyj8714 Жыл бұрын
It is a cool add to a home gym. I just don’t think I would use it enough.
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
Can totally see that being a thing
@MichaelMerritt
@MichaelMerritt 11 ай бұрын
My tape fell off as well even after heavy weights on it. Never got either side to take but I've seen others sand down the bottom edges to help adhesion. I just haven't tried that yet as I tossed the tape.
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon 11 ай бұрын
I ended up super gluing it on 🤪
@TheCarterHomeGym
@TheCarterHomeGym Жыл бұрын
I kinda wish I'd held out for this instead of the monster utility seat, but I didn't know it would fit a 49" rack.
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
Pretty cool to see.
@ClarksvilleBarbellClub
@ClarksvilleBarbellClub Жыл бұрын
Doing God's work here as always, B!
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
My fellow B, thank you.
@cnowako3652
@cnowako3652 Жыл бұрын
Do you think they would have been better off making the pad shorter so you could still access the handles (i.e. REV 2.0)? Or would that just be not enough pad?
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
I think there would still likely be enough for most uses, but just a guess.
@tannerconley44
@tannerconley44 Жыл бұрын
I’m thinking about getting this for my 6post ares and setting my spotter arms to waist weight and using 2 ankle cuffs at the low row location to use for a reverse hyper. Do you think this would work decent?
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
Maybe as a leg curl but not a reverse hyper.
@MrPanthers23
@MrPanthers23 Жыл бұрын
I've done it and use bands for resistance. Works well
@carps_gym
@carps_gym Жыл бұрын
I was going to say, can you Store it with magnetic Detent pens, or low profile mag pins
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
I still don't think there's clearance, but I'll double check.
@GlucksGym
@GlucksGym Жыл бұрын
Beat me to it! Great review.
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
One of the few times... both that I beat you and that I had a good take.
@Radioactivechemist
@Radioactivechemist Жыл бұрын
How are you able to get two pins in per side? It doesn’t line up on my drop down safeties, spotter arms, or directly on the rack. All items are Rep, so it is weird that they don’t line up. The hole spacing looks like a sine wave pattern.
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
I think in their product pics it only shows 1 is needed. I think they made a ton of variations to fit the most types of racks.
@markhalstead2386
@markhalstead2386 Жыл бұрын
Deciding if I want to pick this up. I would probably use it for seal rows mostly. I can’t store it on my rack due to Ares and plate storage. Storage would be my issue.
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
If just using for one thing, prob not worth it IMO
@markhalstead2386
@markhalstead2386 Жыл бұрын
@@BasementBrandon I agree.
@GoreckiFit
@GoreckiFit Жыл бұрын
I love that it can actually mount to either 5/8 or 1 “ racks. 😂 sniff test !! Always appreciate UHMW because Rogue doesn’t believe in it for RML series.
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
I feel like they need to step their game up. Too many competitors doing it now.
@ourclarioncall
@ourclarioncall 10 ай бұрын
I’m just considering a utility seat , specifically for seal rows , and also a cambered Swiss bar like your using . Just from watching your video , it looks like the bar gets pretty close to hitting the bench . Wondering what your thoughts are on that . I’m looking to avoid any banging and clanging if possible . Perhaps a home made diy utility bench could be made a bit thinner to create a bit more space inbetween the cambered bar and top of the diy utility bench . Or I guess I could use some sort of handles/grips on a straight barbell to avoid banging . Greetings from Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon 10 ай бұрын
So if you get like a real seal row type barbell it will give you more clearance than the few inches my multigrip bar provides. I think otherwise it just comes with the territory.
@ourclarioncall
@ourclarioncall 10 ай бұрын
@@BasementBrandon cool , thanks mate
@Garage_gym48
@Garage_gym48 Жыл бұрын
I often wonder if there is something off with me when I watch all ur videos and 96% of it isn’t available in Australia 😂
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
Prob good as it will save you from spending $
@Vault_Metal
@Vault_Metal Жыл бұрын
This looks like it would be perfect for variable depth box squats. I don't think it would work in my R-3, though; 24" is too shallow of an inside depth.
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
Yeah prob a bit too tight there.
@alecgolas8396
@alecgolas8396 Жыл бұрын
Would you feel secure using the bench without the thumb screws? Or do you think you'd be sliding all over the place?
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
I think it would be doable if doing something like seal rows, but not great if you're moving around a bunch like with other movements.
@rickherrick1732
@rickherrick1732 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for the great review. You are one of a few go-to reviewers I check before spending my money. Regarding the question of this seat fitting both 47" & 49", can anyone tell me how this done? Do you add a section, take a section out? I called Rep Fitness and that is 10 minutes of my life I will never get back. I have a Rogue rack. Thanks.
@rickherrick1732
@rickherrick1732 5 ай бұрын
Wow, finally got another Rep rep to answer me. His answer "The Utility Seat will come with two different sets of liners, shown in the attached photos. The thinner liner is what will allow the Utility Seat to work with a 47" Rack. The thicker liner is for 49" Racks, and are used to take up that negative space that would come with using the thinner liners on a 49" Rack, this will keep the Seat from sliding back and forth while in use." The liners referred to actually look like rubber bumpers that go underneath. Install them for one length and remove them for the other.
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon 5 ай бұрын
Yes if I recall they are UHMW pieces.
@MetalsForBrunch
@MetalsForBrunch 8 ай бұрын
Was going to buy this for seal rows for their current sale but it looks really awkward. thanks for sharing this video. I wont be getting this but I ended up getting the open trap bar on sale at least lol. if rep were to make metal sleeker then it wont be so thick with the padding so thd seal row would work better. the elite fts leg curl/sealrow combo looks a lot better
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon 8 ай бұрын
Could also get one of those adjustable pads like the Thresher or Bulldog. Not a true seal row, but would work.
@jamesmitzel8407
@jamesmitzel8407 Жыл бұрын
What brand of white Swiss bar were you using in this video? Thanks
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
It's the Rogue MG-4CN
@jamesmitzel8407
@jamesmitzel8407 Жыл бұрын
@@BasementBrandon thanks
@jamesmitzel8407
@jamesmitzel8407 Жыл бұрын
@@BasementBrandon how did you get it in white. I only see it offered in black
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
@@jamesmitzel8407 Long story, but I helped Rogue with some stuff and they sent me it.
@Lakefilms
@Lakefilms Жыл бұрын
I imagine this can be used for box/bench squats?
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
It can for sure, I typically like to have the corner portion to sit back on, but if you're ok sitting back on more of a "shelf" this would be fine.
@OfficialMarkZuckerberg
@OfficialMarkZuckerberg Жыл бұрын
I like reps stuff I just don't know what I would use this for. The seal row option is cool but that seems like that's it.
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
Prob wouldn't recommend then!
@HighSpinSwingSpeed
@HighSpinSwingSpeed Жыл бұрын
They should put a lip on the pad so it extends down the side of the bench and then have holes in the bench side and pad lip so you can use band pegs to secure the pad
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
Might be a good alternative!
@Doggomorph
@Doggomorph Жыл бұрын
When are you sending one over
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
It's in the mail
@dangilormo4376
@dangilormo4376 Жыл бұрын
How's your training coming along with Mike T?
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
I'll have an update on that in the next week or two hopefully!
@dangilormo4376
@dangilormo4376 Жыл бұрын
@@BasementBrandon fantastic!
@brianpara1407
@brianpara1407 Ай бұрын
Got this today. The 3M tape does suck.. doesn’t stick well at all. Will probably pull all of it off if it keeps curling.
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Ай бұрын
Sorry to hear, but glad I'm not the only one!
@JasonLeeno
@JasonLeeno Жыл бұрын
I think you're the only one in history who has enough equipment to dedicate a power rack as a seating area 😂
@markhalstead2386
@markhalstead2386 Жыл бұрын
Coop at Garage Gym Reviews could do it.
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
True test of any equipment is can you sit on it or rest your drink on it.
@conqueringbarbell2101
@conqueringbarbell2101 Жыл бұрын
If you listen to this podcast style, it sounds chockful of sexual innuendos 🤣
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
🤡
@kaianthony8077
@kaianthony8077 Жыл бұрын
400 dollars for a raised platform....ooof. Reminds me of the Ares and Athena where the functionality is intriguing but there's not rational way to justify the price tag unless you enjoy watching money burn.
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
To be fair, the seat itself is just 250, which includes free shipping, which would likely cost in the range of $50+ given the size and weight of it. It also has quite a lot of nice features/build quality. I do agree it may not be for everyone, but I wouldn't consider this to be expensive for what it is.
@MrPanthers23
@MrPanthers23 5 ай бұрын
Lobe mine.
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon 5 ай бұрын
Nice!
@kranberryjones1449
@kranberryjones1449 Жыл бұрын
Lookslike a good way to toss out a few hundred bucks. I really cant see myself using this above other normal versions or better attachments
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
Makes sense!
@HighSpinSwingSpeed
@HighSpinSwingSpeed Жыл бұрын
Wait….. didn’t you say “nobody trains calf’s”
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
That's all I train
@HighSpinSwingSpeed
@HighSpinSwingSpeed Жыл бұрын
Tighter holes. Things we like to see at the end of the day
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
Hey now
@Radioactivechemist
@Radioactivechemist Жыл бұрын
Both sides of my tape fell off after 24 hours of letting it sit with light pressure.
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
Appreciate the feedback
@squealer42
@squealer42 Жыл бұрын
The REP Utility Seat is an engineering masterpiece, including a bonus education that your rack is not as square as you think it is. Even bottom cross-members are subject to its unmerciful Laws of Physics enforcement.
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
Can def see some value here if a person is willing to put in the effort!
@joshkretzschmar201
@joshkretzschmar201 Жыл бұрын
Rep utility seat looks pretty solid...... However, once again we see how useless trolley arms are. Literally the worst purchase I've ever made for my garage gym.
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
Same!
@ISWIMWITHFISH
@ISWIMWITHFISH Жыл бұрын
No support for troops or first responders anymore. Man. Although only 5%.. standards and support mean a lot!!
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
Well they still do, just through lump sum donations.
@GavinBrown
@GavinBrown Жыл бұрын
So many holes. I struggle with 2. [Too obvious?]
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon Жыл бұрын
Variety is the spice of life.
@DV-dk5hd
@DV-dk5hd 5 ай бұрын
I'm starting to feel more and more like these channels are just propaganda for these fitness corporations to turn men into online shopaholics.
@BasementBrandon
@BasementBrandon 5 ай бұрын
I try not to convince people either way, just more provide some insight to help them make their decision.
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