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Daenerys Skywalker: *”I don’t like bells...they’re loud and rough and irritating and it rings everywhere”*

Anakin transitioned from good to evil for over a film and a half. Daenerys went from zero to Satan over a coffee break. Anakin's character progression alone is better than anything D&D did filming GoT.

Daenerys is more like Thorin Oakenshield from the Hobbit: -Both are rulers that were exiled from their lands by an usurper (Robert and Smaug). -Both are kind-hearted leaders that gained the trust of their people. -They are obsessed with regaining their thrones. -They became mad because the madness is in their genes. The main difference is that Thorin's corruption made sense, while Dany's was badly executed in like 2 episodes. Seriously, I hate what they did to my girl.

Yeah, comparing Anakin's tragic fall to the Dark Side, to Dany's...sudden burst of madness, is flimsy.

I have seen prequels before the OT and it was a shock when Anakin took his first steps to the dark side, but I expected it (or something like this) to happen sooner or later.

Well said, but I have seen D&D defenders so desperate that they compared Dany's turn to evil with Griffith from Berserk, pure insanity and desperation.

Simply put Dany got the Jake Skywalker treatment, Anakin at least had the excuse of being manipulated by Palpatine.

Anakin and Daenarys have NOTHING IN common. 1. Anakin was being manipulated by Palpatine over the course of the next 2 movies and was growing disillusioned with the Jedi Council. 2.Daenarys was slowly turning into her father if you believe the script writers over the course of seven seasons. None of that is the same.

Anakins turn didnt seem that abrupt to me. There was plenty of forshadowing before his fall prior to the incident with Mace Windu. When Anakin attacked Mace Windu and contributed to his death, he was still conflicted and remorseful, but did not emrace the darkside yet. His motivation was saving Padme. The reason the emperor had him attack the jedi temple was to help Anakin overcome the remnants of his humanity and the inner conflict of right and wrong. When Anakin killed the younglings at the jedi temple for all we know he didnt really want to do it and may have even tried to talk himself out of it, but his desire to save Padme was too high to overcome the burdens of morality. As he slaughtered the younglings one by one the burdens of morality and his inner conflict faded as he was forced to cope with his choices by justifying them to himself and as a result of his actions he began to fully embrace the darkside and being Darth Vader. When we see Anakin on Mustafar, we can hear him justifying his actions to Obi-Wan and himself.

Jesus Christ, this video really drove out the Prequel haters in waves. 500+ dislikes just for disproving a popular KZfaqr's wrongful claim, yikes. All Prequel bashing and no counter arguments about the topic at hand, double yikes.

Is Daenerys like Anakin in terms of character arc? Nope. She got Jake Skywalker'd. It was really out of nowhere. Anakin was showing signs in Ep2. Also, Daenerys is a leader a Queen. Her actions that were questionable can be pointed towards the fact she was acting like a queen. Her turn to burn women and children is totally left field. Anakin was never in a position in the films to be a leader. Anakin is always seen as a servant. Even a puppet. The Jedi and the Sith wanted a piece of him.

This one got a lot of Dislikes. Didn't deserve them. but I'm guessing Jeremy Jahn's fanboys found it.

Anakin's character shows the 'Fear, Anger, Hate' path well. Then as Vader he completes the path with 'Suffering'. Dany doesn't have this. She just goes nuts because AirPods or something. I dunno.

the targaryen madness thing is such a copout and the biggest crime against her arc.

Anakin had a redemption, Daenerys did not. It is not the same story.

The most annoying thing is that Dany didnt even have to turn crazy to burn Kings Landing. It could have been a moral dilemma, like when Stannis had to burn Shireen. Here's an example that first comes to mind - Dany has lost a majority of her forces due to the white walker attack on Winterfell, and the Northmen (or whats left of them) are not willing to comply with Danys plan to burn KL. With not enough men to secure KL once she takes over, and word of Lannister soldiers planning attacks to take out the rest of her army, she has no choice but to burn the entire city to take out the majority of Lannister forces. Again though, you can't trust D+D with strategic battle plans, which is ironic considering its the final battle in a show centred around war.

Can we take a second to appreciate how innocent my man George looks.. he doesn’t deserve all the shit he gets with a face like that.

How is the "green eyes, blue eyes, brown eyes" line even foreshadowing? Those are all the eye colors that exist, she could be talking about any character in the entire show!

George Lucas best man

Then in later months since this, Jahns finally saw the light. If only Stuckmann did instead of dancing like Daffy Duck for freebies

iMo Jeremy was just trying to feed off on the casual fans of both GoT and Star Wars.

Nice use of that Saruman clip. Very fitting. Always did love the isengard parts from lord of the rings. Seeing the army of fighting uruk-hai slowly being build, as isengard is turn into this massive city of industry and war to support these newly breed fighting uruk-hai.

While not shown in the movies, let's not forget that Anakin's slow descent to the dark side started BEFORe the Clone Wars and ended AFTER a bloody conflict that killed countless friends and allies of his and put him in a ton of situations where the Jedi Code failed him. I know, I know, it's EU stuff, but even Episode 3 clearly puts the point across that the war changed him, a lot. Anakin's fall was done well. not the best way it could have, but it was done well and it was very thematically in-line with how the dark side has been portrayed in Star Wars anyway. Daenerys on the other hand went from kind of ruthless to her enemeis at times to "instantly batshit insane, I'm going to burn everyone!". The textbook definition of going from 0 to 100 in an instant.

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Also, great job defending the prequels.

Anakin went on the dark path for better reasons.

Don't worry Jeremy has come around.

We prequel fans finally have our voice on internet! Love the video

"Anakin was evil from the start, yet his turn was a surprise" - Logic from OT fanboys

agreed in my opinion is Aniken was much better and makes much more sense than dany.

not sure what kind of idiot would believe that ANAKIN'S transition into darkness was abrupt ? there is no other much clear way of foreshadowing what it was always meant to happen anyway i will never be ashamed of naming my child Anakin despite that fact that many had already done that

I totally believe that Dany would burn her enemies by the thousands I _DON'T_ believe she would ever burn innocents by the thousands

I wanted to slap Jeremy jahns when he compared danaerys to anakin

The ending 😂 lol and I’m hoping everyone gets that “peas and carrots” reference

Lol for the ending :))... Love the editing buddy....keep it up.

I really appreciate you defending the prequels. It seems to me that all the internet prequel haters watched the movies blind and deaf. Or didn't watch them at all and simply jumped on the internet trend (yes, such people exist, too). More power to you, man 💪 And lol at all the salty confused prequel hater drones in the comments 🤣

If season 8 was it's own thing then yes it would be similar, but we've had 7 more seasons watching this character do nothing but help people (yes she's been ruthless at times). This was not a slow progression at all

Anakin needed 2 movies to fall to the dark side and an evil sith mastermind who was constantly manipulating him.... Daenerys just lost her Sunday and didn't like bells... That's it, she's crazy evil now

And every one knew Anakin was going to be evil he's Darth Vader it's a prequel of how Anakin became evil

I always interpreted the destroyed throne room with snow falling on the iron throne as symmetry. She was going to have her world of entitlement destroyed because Jon Snow (Aegon Targaryen) was going to land on the iron throne (snow falling on throne) meaning her claim to the iron throne will be destroyed as she is not the rightful heir.

I actually think the prequels are a deep commentary on the human condition whereas s8 is just nonsense

"George Lucas raped our childhood" really? 'cause George Lucas MADE SW so basically he MADE my childood xD

So far, up to 'A Dance With Dragons,' Daenerys in the books has even less reason to go "Mad Queen." Yes, she can be more ruthless than her TV counterpart at times, but on the other hand she is also significantly more compassionate and remorseful in the books. Unlike her show version, she also goes several lengths to differentiate herself from the Masters, refusing to take advantage of certain luxuries - she doesn't dress like a noble, but rather a commoner; she doesn't sit on a throne during court, but rather a simple bench; when the Pale Mare (a highly contagious and lethal disease) struck Slaver's Bay, she chose against the advice of her council to help the refugees sitting outside Meereen's walls as best she could even if it meant risking direct exposure to the disease. And because we do see her POV in her mind in the books, you see how much she genuinely cares about the common people and their plight in the world. She tries relating and associating with them because she understands their struggle, having experienced the same things as they when she was a homeless child on the run from assassins with Viserys. When it comes to her ruthlessness in the books, people tend to completely forget that almost *_all_* of the main characters in the books are considerably more ruthless. Jon Snow, the character everyone seems to think is a perfect angel, is like a completely different person as Lord Commander compared to the show version. Unlike in the show where D&D just made him Ned Stark 2.0, Jon in the books is a strategic thinker who is much more cold, calculating, and politically savvy while also suffering from the same juvenile arrogance and temper Daenerys suffers from (they are both just 16 in ADWD - equivalent to Season 5 in the show). Jon Snow has done some very questionable things in the books just like Daenerys, and he isn't afraid of lying and being dishonorable if its for "the greater good." He also isn't shy of power and being in command like he is in the show - it's even hinted and implied that he's always had a hidden desire to rule in one form or another, having fantasized about being Aegon the Conqueror as a child.

I had the strangest dream about Game of Thrones tonight. Stannis came back during the meeting where Bran is chosen as king. From nowhere Littlefinger comes up behind Bran and kills him then claims Stannis as king. Somehow Bobby B ends up being king with Stannis' approval. For real. I experienced the real GoT ending in my dreams.

Great editing job, u r developing ur skills Anomaly

I admire that you dont follow the norm just because he has a big audience, props for the video man.

In 2019, the End justifies the MEMES. LOL. :P

I think Jeremy made that vid to toy around with the fact that Rian commended D & D for this horrible season. No way he really believes Anakin and Daenerys have the same arc... Right?? No way lol.

Anakin was, in the words of our Lord and Savior, "was seduced by the dark side of the Force." Anakin also lost his wife. Danny just... went batshit crazy for no reason and with hardly any development, while losing two dragons at different points in time. Yeah, like that is a logical comparison, Jeremy. I don't even watch GoT and I know this.

To answer your statement about how anakins turn is for someone watching chronicle order. I showed two different people the prequels first and anakins turn was obvious for both by late episode 2 and early episode 3. They were not shocked it happened but sad because they loved him.

Dude youre awesome: when I came here because of my disappointment of games of thrones you had like 13k subscribers now you have like 25k!! And you deserve even more!

I do agree that Anakin's turn is better written than Dany's, but at the same time, even Anakin's turn was half-baked and he flips a bit too fast without seeing his inner conflict. I see the motivation threads George's was pulling, but they where not strong enough to pull all the way though. Dany's development is almost non-existent with a few breadcrumbs at most for us to pick up. So Anakins turn gets like a 5/10 and Dany's turn get like 2/10 from me. I would say there is two main ways to improve Anakin's turn. 1. Make it longer, expanding the whole movie from the point he kills Count Dooku, with him doing more questionable acts during the war, killing more innocent characters for the war effort etc. Maybe get into a serious disagreement with obi-wan about something that ends in almost fighting with lightsabers (maybe a force push is thrown or something) and even get expelled by the jedi order having to turn in his lightsaber. Then we have Palpatine comes in and "save the day". 2. If you want to have a more condense point where he goes from working for the good and switching for the evil side in what seems a single scene, extend that particular scene. Make him vocalize his regrets and have Palpatine talk to him and telling him there is only one way now, he has to join him, the jedi will never forgive him etc. Show that Anakin doesn't want to join, but see no other way and Palpatine showing his dark persuasion shine. Basically making a scene out of his now completely inner struggle that George was talking about in the documentary. Would also have liked seeing him cry or tears streaming while he kills the younglings, to show us he has a long way to go still before being Darth Vader. That would increase the rating of the movie, so I understand why they wouldn't show that. TL:DR: Extend the scene after killing Mace Windu or make longer turn changing the structure of the movie to make his turn better. As we have a split community on this issue, means that Anakin's turn was not clear enough. Dan'ys "arc" sucks in comparison.

Prequel fans rise up

Love your videos man💪

Dany has the highest midochlorian count in her respective show, besides the emperor / Bran.

I couldn't agree more with this video. 👍👍👍

Are you losing many subs now the show is over?

But Jeremy had a point you had this seemingly good Messiah type figure only for them to take a dark heel turn and become evil. Danerys was only rushed.

I love the prequel Memes

"Disney, your hearts in the right place, it's just your head is up your ass" Wheezed from the laughter XD Well said, Jeremy...

don't forget at Mustifar Anakin was crying after killing the jedi and sepritast showing regret which is further expounded upon in the novelization of ROFS

Heck, wasn't Anakin picking fights with Greedo in EPI? At most, we see Ani come into the world a happy young kid, then Qui Gon died. Step 1. Kenobi proves to be a less than stellar leader and father figure, and Anakin scorns his advice and goes off killing people for revenge when they torture and kill his mom. Step 2. The Chancellor acts like a father figure for Anakin, giving him favors while the Jedi shat on him, and the Chancellor is open and truthful with Anakin, despite the Council lying to his face and forcing him to do dishonorable things. And when push came to shove, a high-ranking member of the Jedi Council acted like a Sith and tried to kill a defenseless prisoner even though Anakin practically handed Palpie over to them to be tried and imprisoned. That then showed that the Jedi were full of shit, that they couldn't even live up to their own standards, and that their resentment of Anakin was petty and vindictive. Step 3. Also, unlike Dany's fall, Anakin had a shoulder devil in Palpatine openly tempting him to join the Dark Side.

It's hard to take someone serious when they unironically say that prequel haters have an agenda

Bro, coming back to these vids is such a treat. I think the lack of response from those "attacked" (lol) and your likes a views reflects the quality of your content. You're always so fair with handling content creators and any channel, regardless of genre, could learn a thing or two about not falling victim to 'black n white' thinking when browsing your channel. Keep it up!

Thank you for responding to this. This guy was starting to really annoy me.

Well done mate.

isnt anakins turn supported by the first time he meets yoda and the second movie where literaly goes on a rampage?

Love the vid mate, as alway peas and carrots. Love how at the end u shoot that fat gurgling talking while eating Big Mac number 12 jaba the human arm chair. Idk how ppl listen to him, sounds like he's eating his own tongue. Anyways on point as always bruv cheers. Tyvm 🍺

Love seeing you rocking the old Battlefront 2.

How they f**ked up Game of Thrones and Star Wars (Episode VIII) will be one for the history books. It will be remembered for all time... FOR...ALL...TIME.

I’m gonna give Jeremy the benefit of the doubt. He fanboyed for the Force Awakens but didn’t shill for tlj or tros.

Me seeing a video where someone compared Danerys and her fall to that of Anakin and his fall: I haven’t seen any of her show, but even I’m seeing this and wondering, “Bro, are you for real?”

I watched the prequels first and I got surprised about Anakin so well done Lucas

Thank you for this type of videos bro!) Love prequels

You forget they also developed anakin character in the clone wars cartoon also. Strike one for anakin against the Jedi was Asoka treatment

Excellent video, good show sa'! Good show.

Yeah as soon as i saw jeremys vid i was like nah. 2 main reasons, everyone knew anakin was darth vader from the beginning of the prequels, and the prequels made it obvious that anakins FEAR of losing padme drove him to the dark side. The reasons for Dany going mad are left up to interpretation where as george made 2 movies showing anakins descent to the dark side. Oh and 3rd reason george didnt rush his work to do something else.

Finally! a non bandwagoning person that does not trash the prequels!

You're good at what you do. The thousands of people who watch your videos and your average like:dislike ratio proves that.

One thing I always note is that the Star Wars movies tell a complete and _finished_ story from beginning, middle, to end. Prequel and Original together. A Song of Ice and Fire (The book series GoT is based on), isn't close to being finished. I'd honestly recommend watching DVD's video on why this may have been since he explains it better than I could, but Martin can shove that pointy chair up his own rear. DVD's Video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ps1gfbOlqt-2dmw.html

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excellent video

Okay the the problem with this is that the context of Anakin murdering the sand people and the context of him murdering younglings is completely different. Anakin murders the sand people out of rage after they killed his mother, he sees all of them as responsible. Later he expresses guilt in his actions. In Epsiode III, we are never given strong reason as to why Anakin would believe the jedi are evil enough for him to actually murder children. All we is know he thinks the council has treated him unfairly. However, up until the moment where Windu is about the kill the only person he sees as capable of saving Padme, he's completely on their side. Even after he cuts off Windus hand and let's Palpatine kill him, you can tell he instantly regrets it. Before that Anakin told Palpatine that he would gladly kill him, and he wasn't hesitant at all about telling Mace Windu about Palpatine. He even urges Windu to keep Palpatine alive so that he can use Palpatine to save Padme. So why the sudden change in ideology? Why "from my point of view the Jedi are evil"? Because at this point all we've been lead to believe is that Anakin is willing to serve Palpatine in order to save Padme. But none of his actions at the end of the movie really line up with his ideals as we know them throughout the movies. He's fully committed to doing everything Palpatine says despite only hours earlier telling Palpatine that he'd gladly kill him. It would be fine if the film made it clear that Anakin is ONLY doing it for Padme, but the film clearly portrays an ideological shift in Anakin that simply doesn't line up with what we know of him a character. Simply foreshadowing his capability to do bad things isn't enough for us to buy into his complete shift in character.

the comparison isn't even close, every star wars fan knew Anakin was going to turn heel, they all knew he was going to become Darth Vader... With Daenerys, there was theories if she would become like her father... with the bullshit that D&D gave, it wasn't enough to pull her to killing women and children, especially when she felt so strong about saving them for seasons....good video and good points on the reasons behind Daenerys action and as well as Anakin...

Ice and fire isn't about good vs. evil, and characters doesn't turn evil on a dime. Everything happens organically. There's a reason why a character does this and that. Having Dany go evil goes against everything ice and fire is about.

I personally didn't have a problem with Dany's turn, but honestly a lot of that was because I hated that character and wanted to see her fans suffer. :D But I do agree that there could have been more buildup. And the idea that Anakin is anything like Dany in terms of buildup is laughable. Anakin had WAY better buildup.

People are misusing GRRM's text. There have been more sane Targaryen's than mad ones. "She had some crazy relatives" is a piss poor excuse. Every noble house in the books has had crazy members. Is Jon going to go insane? He should according to the D&D apologists.

We demand a season by season breakdown of GoT to show the downfall!

Are prequel lovers saying that they are the best Star Wars films or just better than the Disney sequels?

Anomaly, just be ready for a strike from this guy😑

Danaerys didn't have a woman reject him though.

Smart move, transition your fanbase from GoT to StarWars to keep the flow going and keep the dumb and dumber series going.

Creative thinking is important. You can read great tie-in novels like "Darth Plagueis", "The approaching storm", "shatterpoint" and "Labyrinth of Evil" (all of which were created with Lucas' input). But at the end of the day: How much do you really need to be told? We know that the trade federation is interested in profits, that they probably hoped until the very end that Sidious would walk back from an actual invasion. We know that the republic is corrupt and has lost its way, since the senate is pretty unwilling to do more about the invasion than open up a Committee, discussing instead of sending a search party at the very second - or asking the jedi, as they didn't ever demand any payment. Valorum had lost his power, the senate didn't care, so he had to send the jedi in secret. Dooku betrays the disenfranchised people who had good reason to distrust the republic and want a clean alternative (as in Episode II he's seen having a secret meeting with the very corporations that wanted to make profits with the war). We know that Dooku isn't 100 % evil too, as he tried to get Obi-Wan on his side, tried to replace the republic with something better, even though as a count he was quite rich, rich enough (to quote the novelization of Episode III) to buy the republic, if he would have wanted. Dooku didn't exactly look sadistic after he'd beaten both Obi-Wan and Anakin in Episode II. Neither does he sound sadistic when he tells Mace Windu, who refused to give up, that he regrets his choice. We know that Mace lost his way, that he probably would have murdered Palpatine either way (remember that he knew about Palpatine's control over the senate and the courts before he went to battle him: the discussion of Ki Adi Mundi, Yoda and Mace after they send Anakin to Palpatine to tell him about how Obi-Wan has attacked Grievous), especially if they hadn't found any evidence against the chancellor. I doubt that Palpatine carried the death Star plans in his pocket, for example. Or what do you think? It's interesting how deeper Jango Fett becomes by simply having him demand Boba as part of his payment. You could argue that he was the selfish opposite to Shmi, as he wanted a child that he didn't have to share with a mother, someone he wanted to turn into the very man he would have liked to have been. Meanwhile Shmi allowed her son to leave her behind, even though she had no reason to think that her days as a slave were numbered. On the other hand Jango is also turned into somewhat of a human being, more than just a machine. The urge to leave something behind, to have a continued existence within a loved one's memory is understandible. And given the corrupt republic one can't blame him for being a bit bitter, same for Han. None of that excuses that he was involved in several murders, yet it also helps to show that even the seemingly evil can have people they care about. Hell, I even remembered an Interview with Ian where he said that Palpatine did (to an extent) care about Anakin. And one could argue that that makes sense. After all: he didn't really need a student, especially not one so damaged as Vader after Mustafar. But he saved him anyway, even when he surely was happy to know that Padmé, who probably would have become one of his strongest enemies, was killed without him even having to move so much as a finger. And perhaps its just me, yet I always imagined that Vader was waiting for the exact right moment to strike Palpatine down anyway. Which is why he offered Luke to join him. It's not that he believed Palpatine was a good guy, he simply feared what the Jedi would do after they would have learned that he was part of killing Mace. He wanted to save Padmé, he was greedy for power - yes. But I guess he also wanted to continue to improve what Power Plagueis had discovered. If one can create life and prevent people from dying... why shoudn't it be possible to at some point overthrow the force itself and become reality? A little bit like the "Infinite Tsukuyomi" plan from the villains in the Manga series "Naruto". If every one were trapped in an illusion of happyness, where no death and moarning existed, would that be real peace? Would it be a clever acknowledgement of the people's inability to understand each other and be selfless? Or would it have been a cowardly escape from facing the hard truths of life? Anakin idealized the Jedi as a child, and probably the Republic as well. Then he had to realize that his heroes also had flaws, unlike Palpatine they were never particularly friendly to him and even categorically dismissed his ties as bad. And Sidious offered him a path to end all the suffering, instead of simply returning the republic to its awful state prior to the war. You know: the one that lead to all the suffering in the first place? He saw an other option, even though its solution would have taken many years of conspiring and keeping an eye on his "partner" Sidious. Hell, there's even an argument that as reality itself he possibly could have brought all the people he'd murdered back to life. Or at least he could have hoped so. That doesn't man that what he did was good. It simply means there was more to him than just being a sadist bounty hunter, which many apparently wanted his backstory to be.

Comparing Dan and Annie is like comparing Apples and, well dogs. As for GoT or any other movie / TV adaption , they either loosely base it off the books / source material or pretty much completely base it off the the material. And of course Jeremy has an agenda, defending a Mary Sue. Defending how utterly powerful Rey is without any instruction or guidance. And yes, technically one can become good or evil without training (like the first Jedi for instance), it just doesn't make sense having someone who can flip flop from dark to light. This is also kind of murky territory with the whole Force Diad crap, but then again Mary Sue never really did have much dark character development. But if you're gonna complain about a character and their Ark or development... Complain about Luke's towards the end

You should do a unusual suspect video for revenge for the prequels

The Collector from Infinity War is my reaction to this video.... "Magnificent! Magnificent!" 👏

Thank you!

Peas and carrots, Forest Gump reference 🤓👍

WAIT he was comparing Danny's extremely shocking, quick turn to evil to Anikins. How the fuck do you have so much rage over this, its a pretty good comparison. Danny massacred a city out of the blue, without the writers setting it up or earning that turn. Anakin went from being on the fence about joining the dark side to personally murdering children with a handheld weapon, without alot of set up for such an act. PERFECT Comparison