Sorry dude it's pretty obvious you just didn't get the game. An opinion is one thing, but you just haven't picked up the mechanics at all. Your mobility is very bad, you spend most of your time on the ground and it almost looks like you're aiming with a controller at times. You don't use a frost grenade in the entire hour, that's just pathetic. Arguably the most important gadget in the game, stops enemies for 3 or 4 seconds AND gives back health. Also half the review you have no armor and it took you 25 minutes into the video before you even used a flame belch. You complain about lack of ammo but miss a lot of your shots. Your aim is tragic. You try to melee demons constantly and then waste blood punch as well. You continually try to shoot the weak spots on the Mancubus and Arachnotron with normal shots, which you still haven't learned does next to nothing? No comment on the Marauder at all? I will also never understand the complaint of "you're forced to play a certain way and have to memorize abilities and weapons". That's like complaining about having to learn combos in a fighting game. You're complaining about a game requiring the player to get better at it and learn the mechanics? Also every single game ever made has an "optimal way" to play it.

Dooms fanbase is the most defensive in existence. They will never get over not winning goty.

“Lets assume Samuel Hayden is in fact omniscient” the funniest thing about that is that in the DLC he is explained to be the seraphim and that’s why he knows so much looool.

You run out of ammo in doom 2016 ...

The game just isn't for you.

This is satire, right?

"You would think the chainsaw would not be used all that often." Wait what? Why the hell would you think that? If you can use it infinitely many times against fodder demons for full ammo replenish, and ammo is very limited, why would you think it would be used rarely?

This can't be real, look at this gameplay and we're suposed to take your word about the game? Quick tip, edit your videos so you won't contradict yourself instantly, this review made me wanna commit sudoku

Oh my god. This game straight up broke him. He sounds so empty near the end of this review.

No creativity? There's a tone of different combos and playstyles. Just because u suck at the game doesn't mean its bad.

My man just turned into upper echelon

The lore is absolutely the worst part of the game. It's like a 14 year olds fanfiction on why Doomguy is so cool featuring a race of jobber space knights who they desperately want us to like only they all come across as generic and boring. 2016 managed to pull off its story by having Doomguy not caring in the slightest outside of killing demons, Eternal went all out on its own insanity and the only good part of it is the "skip" button. I actually like the gameplay, though. A few minor annoyances here and there (too much platforming, levels too linear, I don't understand why blood punch is a thing multiple playthroughs later, the BFG charges don't exist in 90% of levels so you can't go back and have fun with it) but otherwise it's entertaining enough.

I don’t agree in the slightest but I’d never shit on someone for an honest opinion on an entertainment product.

Funny thing about the pop-up tutorials, I turned those off. The game definitely encourages you to use certain combos or weapons, but its not necessary. I beat the Gladiator boss fight without even know you could stagger/glory kill it to take a big chunk of health off. Played on Ultra-Violence too, which was a decent challenge for me at least, died more times than I care to remember but every time I did I never felt like it was the game's fault. I felt that I had to get better, learn how the enemies work, which to prioritise. By the final level I was zipping around and reacting to things faster than I ever thought I could and that is an amazing feeling. The game ultimately made me a better player. I love that I have to keep thinking and not just mindlessly shoot everything with one or two weapons. Does the game have problems? Oh god yes! Getting trapped into corners from aggressive enemies with no way out is annoying, and I agree that the last couple of bosses are more aggravating than fun.

I am so grateful that ID Software are not listening to these people.

That end statement seems depressing

It feels like he is alergic to a game being good

the game broke you at the end

this has to be some sort of joke you contradict yourself several times in this video??

i liked both doom 2016 and eternal but I still think classic doom is the most fun and replayable

This got a alot of dislikes and this dude is only sharing his opinion. I actually appreciate honesty

You really don't have to pick between health and armor. Here's what I do: 1) max out abilities that lower flame belch cooldowns first. 2) find a group of fodder demons to roast, not just 1 on his own. 3) burn them, then drop a grenade next to them, and dash away. 4) Enjoy the rain of armor shards, instantly maxing you out to 150 armor. 5) In between flame belches, use the SSG underbarrel meathook on fodder-to-medium tier demons to get more armor. And I played start to finish Ultra-Violence on my first play-through. I can't speak for Nightmare, but on UV armor is definitely useful. Sure, you lose it quickly, but unlike Doom '16, you now have the option to gain it back very quickly also.

Ok, look man, I respect your opinion, I think you should have played through a few more times before making this, maybe you would've started to enjoy and understand it. But some games aren't for some people. I can acknowledge that Dark Souls is a near flawless masterpiece, but I don't enjoy that game. The game gives people way more creativity than you give it credit for, here are some examples. The game tutorial says "you can shoot the sticky bomb or frag grenade into a cacodemons mouth for a glory kill" but that is just one option, you gotta experiment a little. You can hit the caco with the arbalest ballista then meathook in with a super shotgun and if its fully upgraded, you can get some armor back, and kill it twice as fast. The game tutorial says you have to wait for the marauders eyes to glow green, then you blast him with SSG and ballista, but, you can 1. hit him several times and stunlock him with frag grenades, or 2. (the way I do it) is to wait for his eyes to glow green, then hit him with the arbalest ballista, then full auto shotgun+frag grenades to stun lock him. The game outright tells you there is 2 ways to kill a doom hunter, you can destroy his sled, (best done with the blood punch but can be done with meathook SSG+Ballista combos and many others) or you can destroy his armor with the plasma rifle then kill him like any other demon. I dont believe the game tells you that the chaingun deals massive damage to dread/hell knights/ barons of hell I can off the top of my head think of 5 ways to kill a pain elemental. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/f558gZaZutm1ZIU.html that is a link to Under the Mayo stunlocking the baron to the point he cant even fight back. Faltering is DOOM Eternals most important mechanic, i saw you use very few grenades that entire video, so here is a guide to the faltering system. Easily makes the game 10x more fun and opens up so much creative opportunities. I could go on, and i will if you like, but I just think you didnt give this game enough of a chance. Again, I dont mean this in a "lol git gud" way, I want you to have fun, I want you to be able to enjoy the game like i and so many others do.

At least you were honest, you don’t like it and that’s fine. I do, but I get some of your points. It’s not perfect for me, but as close as a game could be.

Hey DW, what game do you think has the best metal soundtrack? My personal favorite is the 2012 Twisted Metal Original Soundtrack.

What are those faster-paced + more difficult games you've played? I need recommendations

The serious sam series makes me feel pretty fucking exhausted too, but in a good way.

What headset does DWTerminator use?

56:35 you get all the weapons in super gore nest except the bfg and the only upgrade you need is the suit upgrade that lets you switch weapons faster .

Sometimes the gameplay looks decent and sometimes its painful to watch

Mayonnaise.

Well, I wasn't expecting this. Everybody else seems to either just be ranting how much they hated it, or - more likely - they just had a lot of fun with it. And even if they have some criticisms of it and prefer 2016, there usually isn't much depth to it. This is one of the few reviews that actually tries to seriously analyse that side of things and sounds informed and genuine while doing so. So, Thanks, I quite appreciate it.

I also have alot of criticism for both the 2016 remake and Doom Eternal. I actually haven't even beaten Eternal yet. But I grew up playing all the original Dooms, and I must say that I do like both remakes. Watching pro gamers play Eternal like it's their fucking job, straight owning every encounter is very disconcerting tho.. do I have to be that good to complete the game? Do I have to put in all thos hours to "Get Good" to enjoy it? Because imma tell you: I'm about 7 hours in and I wanna just quit this frustrating ass bullshit... then again, I am playing on console with a controller.

while i enjoyed doom eternal i respect your opinion its not for everyone especially if you played the og's first.

All of the halo games (excluding 5) are on pc now. So would you consider reviving halo combat evolved?

Doom 64 review when? Also have you ever watched the Civvie 11?

I like doom eternal but like the vid btw you said some thing about ps2 games having inverted controls is it true that most games on it suffer from permanent inverted controls

54:30 don't worry, you'll probably remember the purple jelly room with the Hell Knight and the dumbass Tentacle enemies, I sure as hell will, for how stupid I thought those additions were 55:04 ah okay, even you admitted one of them :D

Since it's the often forgotten black sheep of the series (well on PC anyway), any plans to cover Fallout Tactics?

"If this is where the DOOM Series is headed, then I want no part of it." This is the only reasonable statement you made in this video, maybe apart from the graphics section. I will explain why. Your claim about the sound design being mediocre is laughable. The suit sounds, at any level of play (if you were to utilize all of the mechanics) is vital to the experience, the reason being that you need to hear the flame belch recharge, so that you can gain armor to push forward more without getting your legs broken. You need to hear the ice bomb recharge, so that you can know when to freeze enemies when things are getting intense. You need to hear the gas recharge so you can know that you are ready to *meathook* to a fodder enemy to chainsaw them. All of it is so important to the combat loop, and you completely missed the point there. Also, complaining about the music being too loud? For being such a fanboy of the classic Doom games, you don't seem to recall that so much of the experience was listening to the music. In cases like "At Doom's Gate," "I Sawed The Demons," "Intermission from DOOM" as well as many others, you would actually play to the beat! The loud and "repetitive" music was okay then, but it isn't now? The gun sounds are tuned to not overshadow the music and the suit sounds. I doubt that even crossed your mind. Next stop on the train of nonsense: the lore complaints. Your main objections to the lore are that you have to read the codex entries to understand half of it. You would have been mostly right about that until you claimed that the game was "unplayable" if you didn't do so, but that's beside the point. You obviously don't like the story - so why do a review on it? Why did you sit through "terrible writing" to make a part of a review you didn't want to do? You could have easily said, "I don't follow the lore of the modern DOOM games, so I won't cover it in this video." No, you decided to put yourself through something you didn't like, for what? To bash this game even harder? The game gives you so many opportunities to just ignore the story. It's a solid 15 minutes of runtime that most people should disregard when watching this, among other things. Plus, a lot of the things you claimed about the lore were just straight-up wrong. Typical for someone doing a review like this. Here, we look to our left to see: your god-awful combat review. You play like shit. That's understandable, given that it's your first time - but it still brings down your review, given the fact that you refused to use or had practically no knowledge of mechanics that made the game easier, while you sat and complained about the game being too overwhelming. I can't begin to describe how wrong you were about the flame belch serving almost no purpose. As I stated earlier, it allows for you to have more overall health, to push forward and prevent yourself from doing those glory kills you seem to despise so much. The ice bomb, which you happened to use in the video maybe once or twice against some fodder, completely freezes any type of enemy for a considerable amount of time (in contrast to the fast combat), gives you room to breathe, and gives health when you damage frozen enemies. But wait, I hear you complaining about how you have to stop what you're doing to get health by doing glory kills, yet the game gives you a considerably important tool that allows for you to keep the flow of combat steady. I knew from the start of the video that you were going to complain about the ammo counts. Did you happen to think at all about, "Well, if the game wants me to switch weapons often, then maybe low ammo for my more powerful weapons is to enforce that philosophy!" Maybe, if you switched weapons frequently for the different scenarios, you wouldn't be constantly running out of ammo and looking for things to chainsaw. You constantly refer to the game as "unfinished" because a single feature was *postponed* to make way for the development of The Ancient Gods 1 and 2. There are so many more topics that I'd love dearly to call you out on, such as the level design bullshit you were spewing, the general decline of quality as the video progressed, but my fingers are numb from roasting your ass over an open fire. "If this is where the DOOM Series is headed, then I want no part of it." Good. This community would be better off without this overall pointless review. Nobody needed this, and you shouldn't have put yourself through a game that you stated yourself, you didn't have enough brain power to play. DW, 1994's calling - they want you to stop living in that year and accept evolution in games.

Unrelated but are you still playing through Cyberpunk 2077 or did you finish?

And I wonder why his channel only has 15k subs after almost 15 years. But on the other hand i kinda respect him for his crap reviews. Hes no sell out, and thats kinda a rare trait in game reviews. Of course im still kinda convinced his channel is meant to troll people so there is that.

It's so hard to aim on controller, looks amazing on Series X but very hard to play

DW what's your favorite old-school shooter reboot?

1 hour? damn

You realise Doom 2 has platforming, right?

Well I might not agree with all what you said (except the music) I respect your opinion ... But I'll like to ask you done things: so a couple of months back John Romero was asked about the story and gameplay and said in regards of the gameplay, that he was glad that Id didn't do "Doom again" and do something that was different but somewhat familiar but that it can still improve , and in regards to the story he retracted his frase about not being important in Doom and embraced that they improved that (at least a fair amount with plot holes) ... So that was a surprise for me, but My question : Does that matters when almost everyone wants just classic Doom-like gameplay and "plot"? Q2): does transparency helps with this Game/company? Hugo martin (creative Director) never seen to want to do Doom (2016) II , but also wanted to do something that they wouldn't never do again , something along the lines of :what worked here, will be improved and, what doesn't, will be modified or eliminated but Only if people wanted it to be eliminated or repurposed (although that's comun with the industry and sequels) ... He realizaded that not everybody would play the way it was meant to be played , Even if Hugo have said that quite a few things can be eliminated or replaced, but that doesn't mean it's just that way, you can do other alternatives by experimenting with weapon combos as one example... Even with the limited ammo (also the auto-shotgun might help with that) works just fine... And Q3 What do You mean by "Doom fans" ? Sure most of them like the new iterations but not all of them are saying: that there's only one way or that get gud ... Those are more likely elitist and that has also been a situation that has been dealt with un the comunity... Because not everybody can handle that level of stress or "memory binding". That comunity is not like that. P.D. so about the music yeah it was messy and at least the DLC music at least 60% of it it's now actual metal wich I prefer more too. And I may recommend what Allstin or Under the mayo might explain somethings about all that You talked about, Even if You don't agree with everything they Say... But overrall very well explained review Edit: the invasion thing has been talk about in streams with ID it Will be out after dlc2

tbf this is the best Doom Eternal Neanderthal play through on youtube

DW sounds like my mom giving out to me when I was a kid

"I am not exaggerating when I say I have not had a single iota of fun during the entirety of time I played Doom Eternal." Jesus H Christ my man. Well im sorry you had a miserable time with it but lord that feels like such a negative perspective of it. I had fun with both old school doom and new doom but I think they are both a lot of fun and have great things to offer.

I'm somewhat ambivalent towards this game. I might have grown to hate it if I played games for a living.

You can't really complain about the story if you don't read the codex entries. Yes, I know, it's a heresy, and all that, but really is it any different from the way you understand the story in say, Dark Forces, for example? To me, that's what it feels like. Anyway, whatever your thoughts are on reading for story in general, throw out your pre-conceived notions, because Doom Eternal's story is simply fantastic. No, it is not short, in fact, there's probably enough lore to fill 2-3 chapters of a novel, but I feel it is highly worth a read, at least once. If you were expecting just meaningless trivia about why a shotgun exists in the UAC, well sure, those entries still exist, and feel free to ignore them, but Eternal also goes so far beyond that, particularly in the "History of the Knight Sentinels" and "History of the Maykrs." (and a Warning for those in comments, SPOILERS below.) The actual story itself does a really great job of taking narrative elements from 2016, e.g. the story behind Argent D'Nur, its Wraiths, the well, and the "Betrayer," and really wrapping them into a greater tale that feels completely consistent with the heart of the original Dooms. There's quite an interesting story about the Knight Sentinels and their civil war, or the Icon of Sin being born from the former heart of the Betrayer's son. In Doom II he was simply this colossal Demon, whose head alone took up an entire wall, and whose tentacles, in defeat, could devastate the surface of hell as they thrashed in anguish. This character is expanded upon and tied into 2016 by re-envisioning him as the ultimate example of the "Deal with the Devil" trope which has been popular in fiction since forever. In trying to save his deceased son from the torment of hell, a Knight Sentinel made a deal with the forces of Hell that would seal the fate of his people, trapping the Slayer and his fellow Knights in Hell. His wish was fulfilled, and his son was returned from the hell dimension, but reborn as the Icon of Sin, with his heart the only human (err Sentinel) component remaining. In fact, when you see the Makyrs attempt to control the Icon, and the Slayer instead destroys the heart they try to manipulate, that is the Betrayer's son's heart which is destroyed. The quality of the prose itself is also very high as well. It's written from the perspective of the Knight Sentinels, so it has that old-timey, medieval sort of speech to it that gives it a nice flavor and makes it more interesting to read. However, what really sets this story out as something truly special is that it goes above and beyond simply contextualizing the levels of the game. The histories of the Sentinels and the Makyrs are in fact metaphors, and there’s a fair bit of anti-religious subtext, present in both the writing and the imagery, that’s entirely in line with the tone of Doom and heavy metal to begin with. However, I am an atheist, so obviously I am biased, and there’s a reason why they chose a fictionalized version of God (i.e. the Khan Makyr) rather than actual God, which could be controversial. The metaphor itself is also subject to a good deal of interpretation, so there are a number of thought-provoking possibilities one could interpret the story as. In short, the Khan Makyr is the leader of the Makyrs; an alien race who, in both form and function, fit the characteristics of God, and are seen as such by most races in the cosmos, though they are especially worshipped by the Sentinels. In return for their piety, the Sentinels share in the vast power of The Makyrs, a holy power which both gives life to their heavenly realm of Urdak, and grants the Sentinels exceptional strength, speed and vigor. This power is the same Argent Energy which was introduced in the last game. Grateful for the gift, the Knight Sentinels use it in their crusades against the denizens of the dark realm, that is, until they alone discover the source of their incredible strength: the Nekkravol. You see, given enough time, the bodies of the deceased eventually morph into demons, and the remnants of their black souls become the raw energy found in Hell’s bleak landscape. But like the production of raw oil in real life, this process takes eons to occur. Therefore, the Makyrs commanded the peasants of Sentinel Prime to construct the Nekravol, a horror show capable of extracting souls and converting them to refined Argent energy through the perpetual torment and damnation of the innocent. In short, the “Gods” had betrayed their people. “The demons were the victims, and the victims were us,” as the Sentinels wrote. (The theme is reminiscent of that in dystopian 70s sci-fi film “Soylent Green”.) The suffering of the Sentinels’ own fallen comrades-and in the present, that of humanity-is what gives the Gods their life and powers their crusade against the darkness. The light itself is but a hollow illusion, a pale reflection of the darkness it merely pretends to despise. The two are inextricably bound and you cannot have one without the other. When you finally fight the Khan Makyr herself and eventually destroy her, Eternal does an excellent job of communicating this idea visually. Once her gilded armor that creates the godly illusion is stripped away, the foul creature underneath looks no different from the Demons themselves. It’s sort of a reversal of Return of the Jedi, where underneath the Dark Lord’s armor lies but a man hoping to be free and shed his bitter hatred. It’s also akin to Animal Farm, where the pigs turn out to be no different than the humans. I found this to concept to be quite a profound notion, and a number of possible analogies could be drawn from it, depending on your interpretation. The most obvious inference would be that the God of real-world religions is not as saintly as he is said to be, for his empty words of peace and kindness do not apply to non-believers. He is just as responsible for the damnation of the innocent (but unbelieving) as the Devil. Or, less theologically, his apathy towards humanity’s plight, our real world Hells on Earth (WW2, slavery, genocide, the COVID pandemic, etc.) makes him no less culpable or evil than the wrongdoers he castigates. Another, less religious interpretation could be that the luxuries of the first world, like those of Urdak, are built upon the suffering of the unfortunate souls in the third world. We enjoy the benefits of low production costs (passed on to consumers) that are only possible because the less fortunate elsewhere in the world are damned to a lifetime of near-slavery in horrible conditions. These are the kinds of thought-provoking themes and metaphors that make classic science fiction such a delight to sink my mind into, and a good part of the reason why I treasure the original Star Trek series and classic Doctor Who. No, you wouldn’t expect a good Doom game to have such an intricately detailed and powerful story, nor would you expect a Doom game with rather linear level design and an arsenal nearly identical to its predecessor to be a revolutionarily innovative shooter. Yet Doom Eternal has achieved both, and these “differences” have somehow only made it a more Doomy Doom game. The original Doom, after all, was born from the sci-fi/action/horror genre, and original id devs have gone on record stating they came up with the idea after watching Aliens and the Evil Dead at the time. Yet, as cool as the story behind the action is, the alluring simplicity of the gameplay is what always calls you back for more, and the words on a codex are no more integral to that experience than the words in the Ultimate Doom’s instruction manual. But they are there to appreciate for those willing to read them, and appreciate them I did.

i like the game and completely agree with a lot of the things you said, but the score at the end was a bit too harsh and unrealistic. and hey, a lot of people didn't like eternal but your words hit right where it hurts that even that gman guy felt the need to respond to such a small channel such as yours.

Let me guess before watching the video, you don't like the sound of the weapons.

lmao is he actually using the time slow down rune. smh. i rarely see you use the flame belch to get armor. armor is functionally a second health bar and way quicker to use to restack and it has a really short cooldown with upgrades. armor is one of the most important upgrades, not useless as you claim lmfao. you also aren't actively punished for not targeting weak points with particular weapons. you can see high level doom eternal players not even use it, instead just focusing on using quick swapping with high damage combinations. "game is laughably easy" and "a matter of rote memorization" yet he complains about how much damage everything is doing and how he has no health, and getting overwhelmed by the demons. Not a matter of rote memorization if you fail to even dodge a single pinky and get damage by it. 42:31Where are your reflexes man? How can you say the game is laughably easy yet you're almost totally exhausted after playing it? It's like your statements aren't even coherent.

I didn’t have a issue with this review until the last portion where it got kind of rant-like. One thing I did right away was toggle off all the tutorial settings and waypoint markers in the options as well as the auto chainsaw toggle when ammo is depleted. The aforementioned accessibility options aren’t meant for an experienced gamer probably something mandated by Bethesda i would guess.

i fairly enjoyed doom 2016, this one looks pretty nice honestly . i especially like the dashing addition

He goes on about the character of Doom Slayer himself and the story being over the top to the point of it being nonsensical but that was point. Even the original Doom games were never grounded in any realism and were over the top as well. Hell even great FPS games like Blood, F.E.A.R., Shadow Warrior, Duke Nukem, Timesplitters, Return to Castle Wolfenstein etc... were over the top and weren't suppose to take serious. Not sure why Doom 2016 & Eternal are exceptions. You talk about the the sound design in particular in what I can assume are the battle themes when in combat and whatnot being repetitive but I personally never found that to be the case. Each feel distinctive from one another. Not sure how "Metal Hell" and "The DOOM Hunter" get repetitive. You then talk about the low ammo count being worse then it was in Doom 2016. This has been explain both by the dev team and players from the community that like Doom Eternal. This was done purposefully to force players to use different weapons given your going up at any part of the game, a variety of demons with very specific weak point and while any weapon can kill them, your suppose to use certain weapons against enemies that exploit their weakness, something you already mentioned when talking about the Revenant and taking out it's shoulder cannons to force it into relying on melee combat. In Doom 2016, you can breeze through the entire game with a upgraded Super Shotgun and Gauss Cannon easily on harder difficulties without ever replaying on the other weapons in your inventory though enemies in Doom 2016 did not have weakness for your to exploit so using the other weapons was really optional. In Doom Eternal, that's not the case as you need to rely on constantly swapping the weapons you've obtained as each have a role to play in exploiting the enemy weaknesses. You say the fodder enemies are nuisances but how exactly? They don't move particularly fast and are relegated to one attack pattern which easy to read if playing close attention and memorizing. Having more ammo doesn't fix the challenge of the higher difficulties. Prioritize enemies, constantly keep move, rely on function of each ability (Flame Belch for armor, Glory Kill for health, etc) and your good. The game is only hard if your not paying careful attention to your surroundings and/or not taking advantage of enemy weaknesses with weapon attachments. Yes, your have to "git gud" because the game forces you to change up your play style from what your normally accustomed to in other FPS games. Cannon Fodder constantly spawn in so you have a infinite pool of ammo but only when you understand and adapt to that mechanic. Never once on Ultranightmare did I find myself worried about ammo. As I am watching your gameplay throughout the review, you are utilizing the weapons, attachments and abilities in all the wrong ways. Take 41:02 - 41:30 as an example. Rather than just pulling out the Ballista, should have used Flame Belch since you were low on armor. Hell Knight was charging right at you, should have used the Gatling Gun since it's used on fast moving target to slow them down. Hearing and seeing this review was honestly more about not understanding and using the mechanics to it's fullest and not wanting to change your play style.

I don't like people going too defensive about what they like when others are not on the same opinion, i think that sometimes it's not just about "getting good" the reason to appreciate a game but there's something deeper if something doesn't click with you. I completed Doom 2016 at max difficulty and one of the things i liked most are the bits of realistic design of the levels (the feeling they are not just setpieces but believable places) and what i was bored of was the overuse of the "close an arena, kill every wave of enemies, open and move to the next one" idea. I watched many Doom Eternal footage to convince myself to buy it but i see less of the first and a lot more of the second so i postponed the purchase, probably when everything will be released for the game i'll dive into it. Funny that even the game designer in a pre-release presentation said "yeah this arena style fights are not as fun as other level design types" and then the final game has basically that on steroids. But still it's not like i don't like that kind of gameplay. I like Resident Evil 4 style games and they are basically that, with every "room" being an arena that needs some cleaning of various ammounts of enemies before going forwards. The game using modern IdTech i appreciated most for its gameplay it's Wolfenstein: The Old Blood and if you look at it it's even more focused on arena fights more than a "open oriented" navigation. I liked it so much that i 100% complete everything. So why? I think it's all about the balance about mechanics, level design, options, presentation and pacing. Some people don't care much about repetition, story or believability of the game world but appreciate more the trial and error element of the gameplay, the level difficulty even if the details of it have some issues. For me a series of arenas that resemble more Quake 3 levels where platforms are there mainly for gameplay purposes than architectural needs, with respawning fodder enemies to recharge ammo that hardly go down with a punch, with an art style that goes more towards the cartoonish and high fantasy (reminds me of Diablo 3 direction compared to the previous titles) isn't going to appeal much to me. The games i mentioned put some level of effort in breaking down things with new elements that go beyond more enemies or "raw" difficulty. In Old Blood maximizing your initial stealth kiils and then carefully place yourself in the best corners of the arena between waves was quite enjoyable and the game was not long to become boring with overusing the same concept over and over, maybe with just more monsters or different enviroment. Last thing, you can complete a difficult game and still having issues, it's not about being able to do it or not understanding the logic behind it. I completed all of the Souls games solo but i cannot like some issues with the camera with the boss fights and the wasted time when you need to return to the boss arena when you die. I much prefer a game like the top down Ys ones, you see much better the situation and you can instantly retry a fight and in my opinion the challenge can go even further than "scaring" a player by making him losing resources and time with retries. Having the best enviroment for enjoying the learning process is an underrated element of the game design. I love the finite ammount of enemies in classic Doom games and (re)spawning really kills that concept: i appreciate max difficulty in Heretic because it doesn't do it compared to Doom, i didn't like it when done in Hexen, i was "uncertain" about what you have in Doom 2016. I still play Heretic because it respects you more and i completed all levels at wand start for that but with other games it's likely i will not play them again repeatedly.

There’s this amazing video called welcome to the fun zone in all caps, and the thumbnail is a stretched picture of Hugo Martin’s face, it’s basically a montage of him getting frustrated with all of the game’s bullshit (painfully slow movement, getting stuck and hung up on the environment, and lots of stuff happening on screen making hard to tell what’s happening) while playing it on streams while talking about the game with whoever who’s in the video game industry.

Beautiful! You might want to keep an eye our for the "Operation Skyfall" mod for Serious Sam 3. Hopefully that guy's still working on it apparently it was really close to completion.

The only thing right you said is about the lore. Is full of shit and they try hard to give it sense.

Why the hell is this an hour long though

I basically agree with your description of the systems, but not with your interpretation. I actually ENJOYED everything you found exhausting. To me it was like a well choreographed, complex dance that depended on what the game threw at me. Also, the memorization isn't really that hard because you only need to perform a "move" a few times until it basically becomes muscle memory. Think of it like a combat sport - in most combat sports you have rules, there are weak spots, there are defenses and attacks. Doom: Eternal is basically like that, but in order to master its combat sport, you need to first learn the moves. Once you do, you're basically a skilled combatant and you deal with the challenges the combatants throw at you. It's basically a first person shooter kung-fu or aikido. Now, you lament for the "play it by reflexes" pre-Eternal game play. But while that provides its own satisfaction, it's like fighting someone by ear, randomly, hitting them without much forethought but at the closest and most convenient points. Basically, a very fast, but indiscriminate and unskilled fighter. In that scenario it is only possible to win if the enemies are stupid, it's basically brute force versus their health pool. No tactic or skill or thinking required. And Doom: Eternal is basically the opposite of that. It's FPS dojo. Yes it can be exhausting. But it is rewarding once you master it and start entering that flow state. And yes, the enemies are supposed to feel trivial once you "know thy enemy." You ARE the Doom Slayer after all, that's the entire purpose, that you get to cheese through these behemoths. But the danger is always there - miss a move and you're at risk, miss two, and your health is cut in half. Miss three and you're almost dead if you can't think on your feet and act fast. Cat reflexes. That is the charm of this game and that's why I fucking love it. I like Doom 2016 too, don't be me wrong. And initially I struggled to get into Eternal. But once I did... I wouldn't change it for anything. It is in a way it's own shooter genre now. It's not a classic nor an ordinary FPS. It's a heavily skill-based, tactical FPS, that still needs you to have fast reflexes or else you're toast. They basically took the reflexes of Doom and bolted a brain on it. And it became shooting martial arts. That's my interpretation.

I know when DW is posting a negative review well before watching the video. I just look at how long it is. Always a dead giveaway. I will post a reply to my thoughts (and probably disagreements) when I watch the video.

Can we just add a small sad violin at the end?

Any plans for a Pathfinder: Kingmaker review sometime down the line? I vaguely remember it being used in your RTwP video but not much more than that, it's an interesting title to analyze given its imbalances

When youvsay sheer numbers... Recall bcak to Doom 1 and 2... Those sheer numbers... maybe theh are going for that

43:00 Wonder if you complain about not being able to just slam down Bricks in Tetris without trying to clear lines and then complain about the devs not allowing you to place the blocks wherever you want.

One thing I don’t understand is that most of the enemies don’t have a specific type of way they can be defeated, Most of the weak points just weaken the attack power or make it so they can’t shoot back.

Here's the thing, I get where you're coming from, because I had a bit of trouble picking up Eternal when I first started too. I started off trying to play it like 2016, and I was getting overwhelmed by the learning curve too. But its a game that required a lot of time and practice to master. Playing through on Ultra-Violence might not have been the best call either, as it is definitely a game that needs a "training wheels" phase to learn. Its difficult to remember the grenades, flame belch, chainsaw and blood punch whilst also juggling between killing the different demons, managing your weapons and ammo, and then weaving it altogether seamlessly so the game just flows. Describing the gameplay loop as "doing what the developers want to or you're punished" is not quite accurate. Like learning to ride a bike, the simplest, easiest way to learn to ride one is to try and do so in the most straightforward way possible, because you need to learn the basics. When you become more skilled through practice, you might learn to stand up, shift your weight around, and get a feeling of how the bike behaves under your feet. But then when you really advance in skill level, you can treat the bike in a variety of ways, even unconventional, freestyle approaches, because you're so attuned to the way it behaves you have full control and understanding of the limitations of the equipment and the autonomy of your control over it. You can't get on a bike and jump straight into a vert ramp the first week you try riding one the first time, you'll cave your head in. The guys that are great at Eternal like Mayo, Hmmp, Toyota and Sylar do all sorts of crazy things with the game that go well above and beyond the basics the tutorials lay out. I'd highly recommend going back and giving it another go. UndertheMayo does some fantastic tutorials outlining some of the more intricate mechanics the game has to offer. Playing on Hurt Me Plenty shouldn't be a hit to the ego, because its a far cry from a classic Doom game. Civvie had to pull it back in his first playthrough as well.

Oh I wanna say something that will probably really offend the nudoom fanbase, so everyone keeps calling it djent or industrial but it’s actually A LOT like nu metal, the sub genre everyone thinks they have to hate because they’re a bunch of try hard posers trying to hard to be real metal fans, well first things first notice how they often call it just heavy metal when most of us real metal fans hate using that term and will just call metal; metal.

Honestly thought 2016 was better but I enjoyed a lot of the story aside from the platforming

The few dialog lines of the Betrayal you mentioned sounds just like something came from a Dark Soul fanfiction, or just the game's writer tried wayyy too hard to make the story more complex than it is.

So, it feels like a chore is what you are saying.

thanks

Hugo what did you do to this man

Wow, this is one of the worst reviews I've ever seen. News flash: don't make a review when you don't understand the fundamentals of the game.

This I think this is almost the worst take on doom eternal. Almost because there's this one review where a guy accuses fans that they were being paid off for saying positive things about the game but this review is kind of close to it. Because this guy contradicts himself multiple times through out the video and has not good points and is also being misleading about features in the game and is some what lying it seems like. And has this tone in his voice throughout parts of the video when talking about parts of the game and the way he says these things is like if all of these things in the game is a negative. I'm honestly glad Hugo Martin and the rest of id software aren't listening to people like this because these kinds of people just don't seem to want games to try new things. They want games to go backwards it seems like

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DOOM 3 was NOT a survival horror game, nor was it TRYING to be a survival horror game, it's crazy to me how little understanding you have about DOOM considering you've been playing it since '94 as you say. I stopped watching the video when you said this. There are 0 survival elements in DOOM 3, it's a horror-action game, just like DOOM 1993 was. DOOM 3 is a remake of that game, the whole game is even segmented into "3 episodes" like the original was, first part of the game being strictly on MARS, then Hell levels (even the double hell knight encounter was remade before entering the portal to hell) and then the mix between the 2. DOOM 3 was Carmack's masterpiece. That being said, while I do agree DOOM eternal will never be as legendary as the original 2 games, it's still a great game and probably one of the best FPS games we got in the last 10 years, it's just fun to play and ID did a great job here.

Well thanks you said in word exactly how I'm feeling, I tried so hard to finish Doom Eternal and have fun, but I wasn't able and I loved Doom Reboot. I tried to reduce the difficulty to make it more action, take only the ammo upgrade to not have to run for ammo over and over, but in the end I closed the game and never opened it again.

As someone who loves classic doom. I love doom eternal. It takes the classic gameplay and ramps it up to 11. Its the perfect interpretation of classic doom. Truly innovative

I saw one of your replies to another comment arguing that the game was poorly received because only a minority of the people who played the game have beaten it according to Steam global achievements. While this is true, I seriously wonder if you've taken the time to compare that percentage to other games. After I saw that comment, I looked at the Global Achievements for Fallout: New Vegas (less than 40%), a completely unrelated game and found similar percentages for the rate of completion for late game quests. But that game has branching paths, so I looked up some other games. Bioshock Infinite and Wolfenstein TNO are also below 50 (48 and 46%). This is just a quick glance, mind you. In the past you've made arguments with the same lack of research, using metacritic scores on the re-release of games on other platforms and pointing to the fact that a rerelease got a lower score as proof the game wasn't that good, despite the fact this is typical for re-releases. Genuinely curious as to why you do this. You have to know you're being dishonest. A simple look at and comparison to other games is enough to make a lot of your points (not only about this game, but other games as well) look so silly. Do you not care at all? Do you think anyone can't just look at the global achievements of other games and realize that the argument you're making is so stupid?

I agree with your assessment of Eternal gameplay - exhausting and frustrating because it requires a very specific way to play. (I loved Doom 2016 though)

This video just inspired me to get the Bulletstorm remaster.

People play Doom on Nintendo Switch!!!.......

37:52 I can understand that a lot of people may lose there ammo a lot on their first play through, but I literally have never heard of anyone complain how often you lose ammo in 2016. You literally had 35 fucking rockets yet you don’t that’s enough? If eternal had even 20 rockets for the rocket launcher or even 30 shells for a super shotgun, there would be no point at all to diversify your weapons at all.

I love how DWterminator always manages to bring out the saltiest comments of all of youtube

The developers even said the game is difderent from any other doom game and some people think that is a bad thing. Your reply to criticism is saying "new doom fanboys" are toxic even if they are trying to help. Its incredible how many people agree with that statement...

Ok game journalist

How would you compare this game to Duke Nukem Forever?

This game is like if god of war 3 was a shooter, gory and over the top at all times were it’s fun when you play it but leaves no desire to be replayed. These nu doom games did spark interest in older shooters but I have a bad feeling the new people are going in the genre with the wrong mindset of what a shooter should be

I love how he complains about "nu doom fanbois" while being an og doom fanboy

got something against the chainsaw? I use it a handful of times per arena and the glory kill for it is sick. Gives you iFrames too for a moment to think under pressure. I understand a review is mostly just your opinion, but Hugo and ID are pushing to keep your brain working as hard as possible while under heavy stress. People like you need to take a step outside of your comfort zone sometimes and stop comparing to older games. Besides, having more ammo would break the game with how fast youre able to switch and cancel reloads.

Wow. At this time this review has 174 likes and 174 dislikes. Ying and Yang is in balance.

You sound a bit like me after doing first run on UV. Since then I did a couple more runs on Nightmare and definitely warmed up to the game a lot more, but I was really annoyed while still learning the combat on first run. Once you get into the groove of it combat is indeed enjoyable. And I am doing Slayer Gates not to unlock that weapon, which I find a waste of BFG ammo and don't even bother picking up, but for actual fun of it. This is a fun shooter, but it definitely isn't a Doom game. It's even less of a Doom game than Doom 2016 was, but overall I gotta say I had a lot more fun with Eternal. Though I did like boss fights better in 2016 because I just hate boss fights with minions around. Just give me a memorable 1v1 boss fight, not another arena fight you idiots.

Dwterminator please keep making videos like this one, even despite what all these fanboys say, this video is really good.

DW efter watching this review i am really not entirely sure how i feel about it?

13:10 If you think Doom 3 was trying to be Amnesia you weren't playing it right. It plays more like F.E.A.R.