Riot FUMBLES on LEC and streaming service / What's next for KC?

Riot FUMBLES on LEC and streaming service / What's next for KC? - Summoning Insight S7E5

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MonteCristo and Thorin discuss Riot Games' poor handling of LEC layoffs, Riot's cancelled streaming service, news out of TSM, the end of the split of Karmine Corps, Elyoya's decent performance as captain of Mad Lions KOI, BLG potentially stepping up to be what JDG was last year, Zeka's level of play on HLE, the messy game between CLoud9 and Shopify Rebellion, and more.
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Summoning Insight is the longest-running, most viewed League of Legends esports podcast in the world. Each week, hosts Christopher "MonteCristo" Mykles and Duncan "Thorin" Shields break down the most exciting matches from LEC, LCS, LCK, and LPL as well as interviewing professional players, coaches, casters, and journalists from around the world.
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This episode was filmed on January 30th, 2023.
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0:00:00 - Intro
0:10:03 - SI 10th anniversary
0:14:44 - LEC layoffs
0:25:04 - TSM Dunc is out
0:29:56 - Riot's cancelled streaming service
0:36:00 - LEC
1:34:26 - LPL
1:46:56 - LCK
2:08:33 - LCS
2:22:27 - Discord Subscriber Questions
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@zaphod4245 6 ай бұрын

When talking about fill segments during pauses I was reminded of all the filler segments that Monte, DoA, PapaSmithy and Achillios did on the league of pauses LCK streams. Ah those were the days....

@Mr-fe5ng 6 ай бұрын

Now we get a chronicler just piggy backing off Atlus the whole time it's getting tired. I don't want to hear about cloud drakes. I am not a fan of him, Atlus wolf Valdez and even aux I'm down with

@IgnacioCentu96 6 ай бұрын

bring back lck pause podcasts with monte doa and papa

@W0Rd0n32sTre3T 6 ай бұрын

Should invite regi on the show 😂

@Lukas12220 6 ай бұрын

And SBF while he still a free man

@Rayon811 6 ай бұрын

invite Froggen

@PixelKatana 6 ай бұрын

Thorin's Salacious B. Crumb impression has me crying 26:28

@CylonModel2 6 ай бұрын

Get Loco on for the TSM episode

@TheSquirrelbeast 6 ай бұрын

About Mad Lions, even though I think the fans are obnoxious, they looked competitive and brought new energy to the LEC. Thorin mentioned Myrwin and Elyoya, but I think Alvaro the support is also really good. I'm not impressed by the adc or mid, but 3 great players out of 5 is pretty decent.

@denmlastankovic 6 ай бұрын

Right on time, just went to my subscription box to check if its there😁

@taconuva1 6 ай бұрын

Perfect comparison of Saken playing like a golfer with the yips, I’ve never thought of that despite growing up watching golf but that’s exactly what it is cause he looks like he’s never played Azir in competitive despite it bring his main pick

@dirtydard4870 6 ай бұрын

It's not something you would see from watching golf. It's something you would see from playing golf

@taconuva1 5 ай бұрын

I also played golf growing up haha but yes, good point @@dirtydard4870

@jurtyt4514 6 ай бұрын

The prop comedy was beautiful

@cryfest 6 ай бұрын

"C9 might do something internationally" yeah heard that every year for about 7 years now.

@hana-qs3xj 6 ай бұрын

jojopyun is a massive upgrade over emenes, and imho vulcan has a higher ceiling than zven, but I feel like it'll just be the same as before, where fudge ego picks carry tops, sucks up a ton of the resources so he doesn't lose his lane, and then proceeds to do fuckall compared to the enemy toplaner. I think he's pretty good in na, but he just does the same thing year after year in international even though it has the same results every time. I think if jojo/blaber/berserker are playing at their peak, c9 could definitely be competitive though, but they'd still have to fix their weaknesses that always show up in international bc other lcs teams aren't good enough to expose them.

@DodgySmalls 6 ай бұрын

I am excited for the TSM eulogy episode.

@IIVIIOJICA10 6 ай бұрын

Mann thorin is too funny. What a guy definitely makes the shows very interesting

@johanfredriksvendsen8482 6 ай бұрын

Unfortunately as I did think Into the AM had some pretty sweet designs I found last time that my location was only partially supported. Shipping and import fees made it not viable in my location. Neighboring country had the free shipping over x amount deal, but not mine :(

@user-lt9md7mw1m 6 ай бұрын

nice guys, much closer to 100k, i missed the progression

@alberthochman8021 6 ай бұрын

1:14:05 Nightshare said that Noah wanted english speaking support so he would have to speak and learn more english. He said that during a chat with one czech streamer.

@nickmajora 6 ай бұрын

I can't tell if Monte knew what he was setting Thorin up for at the end with that last question, lol.

@aminefera5880 6 ай бұрын

i have no idea how to fix kcorp maybe bring trymbi but mid i dont know czekolad maybe ?

@CynicalRhys 5 ай бұрын

I love it when the sponsor is someone I actually buy from, it's like a free discount, thanks for the money off the t-shirts

@peefish 6 ай бұрын

So stoked for this 4 Horesmen. The best content in eSports

@TaiteHughes 6 ай бұрын

Ordered a set of 6 IntoTheAM shirts over the holidays and can confirm they are the main part of my casual clothes wardrobe now, great stuff.

@raphgod2753 6 ай бұрын

Bro said Yamato picked Olaf from Dplus while Cabo is an Olaf main since season 3 just look at his soloq champs since forever and his lfl/eum stats

@gregbrown4766 6 ай бұрын

Banger time

@wowcorny 6 ай бұрын

I can't wait for the TSM episode lmao

@user-lt9md7mw1m 6 ай бұрын

First ever "what show are we doing", that's very cool

@dogsoap 5 ай бұрын

Thorin kinder egg props are top tier

@cepheus9856 6 ай бұрын

Not seeing Upset as a problem is so blind, even in wins, he was basically doing nothing. Targamas-Saken-Upset-Cabo in this order has to go. Just keep Bo.

@ronlanders7354 6 ай бұрын

Upset is straight-up trolling at times. Rather, have academy challenger adcs than him.

@MaciejGorski-cu7nw 6 ай бұрын

He bascially micro-pilotes them as an ad carry. Kinda impossible not to make mistakes yourself while doing that sometimes. Bo and Upset need to stay.

@riseagainstthemachine6079 6 ай бұрын

He mostly looks really good imo. He just stuck at bot, playing 1v2, because a 2v2 would basically still look like a 1v2, so the team sends targamas to do stuff on the map. Even tho its not on the same level, it reminds me of deft in drx. Being fine in lane while having a support, that doesnt lane well (and therefore leaves the lane).

@hana-qs3xj 6 ай бұрын

@@riseagainstthemachine6079 and the comms videos show that he has to micromanage targ and talk way more than he should need to because his support is incapable of saying more than 3 sentences during a game. I'm not even an upset fan, but I think he'd look way better if he just had a decent support that communicates well so he can focus on his micro/gameplay instead

@INTOTHEAM 6 ай бұрын

🔥🔥🔥

@muhammedsayed8577 6 ай бұрын

Holy shit the Altered Carbon reference sent me 😂

@justin9744 6 ай бұрын

Same. I was like, “where is going with this?” Then he dropped the punchline.

@monkeybnnraffle 6 ай бұрын

It was Daniel Jones who tripped running to the end zone.

@Ogurcuff 5 ай бұрын

actually when was the last time perkz did showed up?

@thallok8319 6 ай бұрын

Why is Thorin so down on Mad? I think their support and top are legit.

@K1m9857 6 ай бұрын

Glad to see thorin roast moistcritical and Ludwig XD Love the episode Thorin and Monte!!

@Snootz86 6 ай бұрын

Was the best broadcast in sometime for me.. i don't care for silly segments or songs.. i just want games mostly.. maybe the odd interview.. Last week was quick games/sending it to the desk to have ex pro's or pro's talk about the game Also these replays they would often do.. ended up covering or shoving into a corner.. important stuff like teams setting up for baron/dragon

@OblivionXDDD 6 ай бұрын

I love the show wether i agree or not is absolutely irrelevant. Honestly its truly mind blowing that Zeka is a World Champ and Chovy isn't like Thorin said. I never seen someone peak at the right moment like that.

@ronlanders7354 6 ай бұрын

Cause he's good. Zeka gapped other players. He's only trying to play other champs.

@spirit_nightingale9793 6 ай бұрын

shouldn't AL be Anyone's Legend or I got it wrong somehow

@GothPaoki 6 ай бұрын

It's kinda ridiculous how rogue who are also a split winning team in the past are in the same position, they underachieve significantly worse than kc and yet everybody's been talking about kc like they're the top dog.

@PeoplePleaser578 6 ай бұрын

Because KC came in with the biggest fanbase and a bucketload of hype... they then massively flopped. Rogue might have been champions previously, but this team wasnt hyped really.

@Xzibitfreek 6 ай бұрын

i mean they already sucked last year so what is there more to talk about? the reason LEC is breaking viewership records is because of KC. Nobody cares about Rogue, thats just a fact.

@jakuzzzi 6 ай бұрын

Godge Bless Summoning insight

@biinju 6 ай бұрын

the fucking kinder egg skit got me 😂😂

@Squid0333 6 ай бұрын

NRG played that lvl 1 bot really well

@RobinBooze468 6 ай бұрын

On the HLE topic, just imagine what a team it would be with Kiin and BDD replacing Doran and Zeka. That for real would be a worlds contender team

@evanblaylock2750 6 ай бұрын

Yep definitely budget Faker and budget Zeus tbh people hate on Zeka but at least he was dominant on his meta OVER faker at worlds whereas the other LCK mids this year looked unimpressive compared to Faker. Kiin is just a choker I'd rather have doran tbh he's at least consistent and has been Zeus fathe in the past

@Gurpreet-sv5zg 6 ай бұрын

@@evanblaylock2750 I mean everyone looked unimpressive in the mid lane compared to faker at worlds. Knight was an imposter. Scout was arguably the worst mid of all LCK and LPL mid laners.

@RobinBooze468 6 ай бұрын

@@evanblaylock2750 I see Kiin as a better Doran in that sense, a stable toplaner that's not on the level of Zeus, Bin or those monsters, but can play both weakside and strongside at an elite level. Calling him choker after his first year on a decent team is a bit too harsh for me, Doran also choked his first worlds vs TheShy while in Griffin and ended up being a multiple LCK champ. BDD is a monster tho, I really hope someone builds a top tier squad around him so he can show it.

@lightidentity 6 ай бұрын

@@RobinBooze468 bro? Doran didn't even play against TheShy lol it was Sword.

@RobinBooze468 6 ай бұрын

@@lightidentity lmao totally true mb

@miko-hh8vw 6 ай бұрын

Imagine if KC had Nisqy and Trymbi.

@kissblade8587 6 ай бұрын

Speaking of Flash and the KT curse ... let's not forget even he got embroiled in that Crypto scandal ...

@tonybehaviour9945 6 ай бұрын

Thorin with his damn malice in the palace analogy 😀.

@jdecker7 6 ай бұрын

With the way sheo has been playing the early game, I think that jankos and Peter dun with a week of prep in a bo3 will eat him alive

@TheSwingYouth 6 ай бұрын

omfg Thorins zoomer impression at 26 minutes is sending me, fucking hilarious

@simplyskrypt3914 6 ай бұрын

I agree, bjergsen finishing his career on 100t is like tony montana on the chiefs of michael jordan on the wizards. Every time you're reminded it happened you go into a state of cognitive dissonance like "i know it happened but i cant wrap my head around it, it sounds fake" Edit : see it feels so wrong i cant even get it right. Mj was on the Orlando magic not the Washington Wizards

@TheTdg97 6 ай бұрын

and bjergsen retired on 100 thieves and not liquid haha, but it doesnt matter

@ivanchau11000 6 ай бұрын

You forgot to mention gumayusi to survive the battle royale 🤣🤣

@Aanenk 6 ай бұрын

that idea that god could be in everyone is pretty much how i feel. really enjoyed the insight on that stuff

@dexy122 6 ай бұрын

Umm, Thorin, you are completely wrong about Targamas' history. Targamas debuted on Giants back in EULCS Spring 2018 and that team was second to last, he got kicked after that. Then he spent multiple years in the ERLs until he joined G2 in 2021. It's not true he always competed for the top teams nor is it true that he spent only one year in the ERLs like Adam.

@dloljoas 6 ай бұрын

After hearing thorin I know he does not watch the games to talk about them. Literally speaking about MAD said besides Elyoya and Myrwin the other three players no one is going to know "where the fuck this players are in three years" meanwhile Álvaro being the best player of the team for now and probably the best perfomance by a support in the league.

@PeoplePleaser578 6 ай бұрын

No. He isnt the best performing player on the team - Arguably Supa, Elyoya and Mwywrn are. Alvaro has played well but he isnt the best performing player in the league nor is he the best support in the league - At this point - Labrov, Mikyx, Jun have all performed better than him currently.

@MrDespisedIcon 6 ай бұрын

We already know this for years. He will make up his own narratives and rant about them to imaginary people.

@dloljoas 6 ай бұрын

@@PeoplePleaser578 you have not seen their games either.

@PeoplePleaser578 6 ай бұрын

@@dloljoas I have, it’s clear you haven’t or you are a Spanish fanboy for claiming that “Alvaro is the best support in the league”. Let me guess - All the Spanish players are the best in the league and everyone else is bad.

@dloljoas 6 ай бұрын

@@PeoplePleaser578 Where did i say that? Why are you quotting something i did not say? You know the diference between "best perfomance by a support in the league" and what you said? And no, not all spanish players are the best, after these nine games only Razork and Álvaro are the best in their position. You are blind if you think Labrov, Mikyx or Jun have performed as Álvaro has done. You can argue about Myrwin since he is the player with most solokills but I do not think that makes him the best.

@Cheezperson 6 ай бұрын

The TSM hate train chugs along!

@NewWorldSinner 6 ай бұрын

Outlasting TSM is brutal. I'm like 30% convinced that Thorin and Monte caused it with the Holy War.

@PeoplePleaser578 6 ай бұрын

They didnt need to do anything. Regi did a perfect job of running this org into the ground without anyone elses help.

@ihateeveryone8161 6 ай бұрын

Im with Thorin here, kinder suprises are still 10/10 amazing.

@iRiDiKi 6 ай бұрын

This might be a hot take, but I'm starting to think that Zeus is the best player in the world. The dudes mechanics are actually insane.

@mrfoodfrostfiend4100 6 ай бұрын

Honestly I get excited when BRO win even 1 game because its just super hype getting wins for BRO.

@HeLLraiSa911 6 ай бұрын

👍

@karanshade488 6 ай бұрын

I'm starting to get conspiracy vibes in my reflection 'why did they want to tank LEC? Who is benefiting from the crime?'

@alexpriebe2220 6 ай бұрын

I would highly recommend reading the Percy Jackson books over watching the series. The series pales in comparison to the book series.

@dirtydard4870 6 ай бұрын

maybe if you're 14

@antosqa7343 6 ай бұрын

Monte is trying to protect PerfecT but there is like no excuse for him to go 0 5 or worse in majority of games. And worse of all, he was getting solo killed in Gwen K'Sante matchup where he got a counter pick. The truth is currently unless Deft and BeryL won't 2v8 the game KT ain't winning any game. And look, I am a huge BeryL fan but relying on my goat to be a mechanical god every game is a tough task

@Gurpreet-sv5zg 6 ай бұрын

Nah Beryl is a huge problem. Beryl not on alistar is ez win for the opposing team.

@antosqa7343 6 ай бұрын

@@Gurpreet-sv5zg Nah you are smoking something if you think this split BeryL is a huge problem. He was good in majority of their games, and in fact KT only win when Deft and BeryL are performing. But because of his nature BeryL can't 1v9 every game, so I would like for topside to step up from time to time

@Gurpreet-sv5zg 6 ай бұрын

@@antosqa7343 Beryl 1v9 lmao

@Kinwika 6 ай бұрын

Thorin "the joke is" Duncan

@nicklasr7069 6 ай бұрын

Not Thorin talking about Perkz being one of the worst midlaners in EU and that Jankos is still by far the best player in HRT.s

@billnye4213 6 ай бұрын

Making fun of TSM is always a good time.😅

@ChoiceGG 6 ай бұрын

@35:00 I honestly don’t understand how they didn’t see this coming, with Covid/lockdown user playtime and numbers are obviously going to grow. The biggest misstep was probably hiring full time employees instead of seasonal contract workers for a while because this was surely forecastable.

@ChoiceGG 6 ай бұрын

Sure, nobody wants to be “that guy” in the board room who says “this isn’t sustainable” because the numbers “look” amazing right now but they would’ve been absolutely correct.

@agronnak 6 ай бұрын

@@ChoiceGGbecause everyone is trying to lick the boots of the person above them and I would guess most are just phoning it in cuz they are bad at their job.

@roachdoggjr4648 6 ай бұрын

The gnostic gospels were written at the end of the 2nd century, at which point the canon gospels were already seen as holding authority for most of that century. As a result, the gnostic gospels aren't believed to be authentically apostolic, and therefore are not canon. They seem to be written in light of the canon gospels rather than alongside canon. Not defending the catholic church of course, just clarifying the gospels.

@spncrgrn 6 ай бұрын

Oh, how far Baylife has fallen

@Flatebo31 6 ай бұрын

Anyone who doesn't understand the Upset hate, go watch 2022 FNC Upset then watch the best game you think he had on KC. Upset was absolutely 1v9 front lining and dodging everything pumping insane damage numbers. 28% of his team's damage in Summer 2022, 31% in playoffs. It looked like if the game went late, Upset just wins it. Then look at this year. Outdamaged by his mid laner who "doesn't even use abilities in teamfights", looks scared to even auto. Upset may not be the worst player on the team, but he IS the most disappointing. We expected a top 2 ADC, and we got a bottom half one at best.

@bahabahabahabahb1763 6 ай бұрын

They are just delusional Stats dont lie, Upset is the coward player, not saken, just check the DPM

@xxFrost93xx 6 ай бұрын

Ehh probably you should go rewatch 2022 if you think the situation is even remotely similar. Btw lack of comms from sup who also plays mechanically bad from lane phase to the end of the game and a mid laner that I can count on one hand how many times he would actually press R on azir in an almost 30m game vs when hyl was in his prime and the whole team would just aggro go in for a fight. 2022 fnc had its flaws but it was much better for an adc looking to show he has good hands and we haven't even touched the Champs in meta . Way too many factors is the tldr

@ronlanders7354 6 ай бұрын

Just dmg control from fans. However, some started to call out upset. Someone showed upset at 43 mins in one of the games, he barely did crap, it was funny. Suck up that many resources to be scared to auto.

@Flatebo31 6 ай бұрын

@xxFrost93xx want saying the situation was similar at all. It's just looking at the way he plays. Sure I'm not expecting the exact same result, but going from front lining team fights to not joining them is a huge difference that doesn't depend on who you're playing with.

@PeoplePleaser578 6 ай бұрын

Bro Upset has been getting hate for years. You guys just hate him because he isnt hard carrying your entire team singlehandedly, same reason Bo is getting a shit load of flame but Targa, Saken and Cabo are dodging those bullets like they are Neo.

@Saltoric 6 ай бұрын

This was Thorins funniest episode in a while he was on fire

@VllBezZ 6 ай бұрын

"they would rather be 5th place in spanish"😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@neilpanganiban272 6 ай бұрын

imagine fucking Viper to GenG🥴

@fathertime7864 6 ай бұрын

if BDS somehow wins the winter split, Ice is gonna have the Ghost treatment where people would say they wouldn't have won with a better ADC aka Crownie. 😂

@Gurpreet-sv5zg 6 ай бұрын

I mean Ghost was a huge upgrade over Nuclear. Crownie was dog shit tho.

@fathertime7864 6 ай бұрын

@@Gurpreet-sv5zgsure buddy

@Ethanoljunkie 6 ай бұрын

Guys, I dont see anyone shitting on Bo nor Upset but many flaming Saken Targamas and Cabo. Kinda cherry picking here.

@Wizardi1111 6 ай бұрын

Already writing Heretics off just because of one bad week? They were great in the first two weeks.

@Flozow_ 6 ай бұрын

I think you probably got everything wrong with Karmine Corp but that's just my opinion

@drago939393 5 ай бұрын

So, LCS went to shit in the past ~5 years, meanwhile LEC went from being absolutely mediocre, forgettable and without identity to an extremely fun, unique flagship product - but they decided to completely gut it? Why?

@jjandre7032 6 ай бұрын

Who is saying Zeka is top tier. Seriously where are you seeing this?

@CxerRy96 6 ай бұрын

now that TSM is basically donezo the most banger episode would be to bring on everyone who TSM fucked over behind the scenes...I'm sure you can have some great insiders with new info on Regi and Lenas bullshit, but I'd be happy to have back people like Akaadian, Zven, maybe even someone like Dardoch lmao

@whywouldyoucare 5 ай бұрын

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! Thorins on the Jokes egeeen :((((((((((((((((((((((((( he relapsed guys :((((((((((( i dont think he can get off the jokes this taame :((((((((((((((( sad story.... But do you know what the joke is? :OOOOOO OH NO!! i think im on the jokes toooooo

@ShawnBlaque 6 ай бұрын

"It's better to be 5th place and Spanish than 1st and not Spanish" lmao what a stupid org MAD

@zer0day873 6 ай бұрын

Ya gotta love how even on youtube, ppl will feel totally comfortably dunking on Christianity over and over again but you won't ever hear a peep about islam or the J's

@Thundawich 6 ай бұрын

doa best filler.

@aminefera5880 6 ай бұрын

karmine corps are different few of them are zoomers no zoomer will watch league really and the same for ibai tho that guy refuses to build a god project and does fusions remembre twitter when rogue was in worlds every time they win ibai twitts yeah we are winning cuz rogue will become koi and when they lose he says nothing , no support for the players

@yassirelhidani6803 6 ай бұрын

"Faker is not that good mechanically anymore" , bro does thorin even watch the LCK or still stuck with narratives of summer split , faker literally obliterated Bdd and Zeka in lane outplaying them , literally just watch the games ffs , I don't mind the criticism but at least you can change the opinion and not hold on it like a boomer , you are losing soo much credibility with your constant takes about faker , my god just look at the LCK vods and the stats everything , he has been smurfing since worlds .

@Mr-fe5ng 6 ай бұрын

He doesn't watch it

@gabriellps2 6 ай бұрын

Yeah, im not even a T1 fan but Faker is playing incredible rn, specially with ori, his mechanics are on point

@ronlanders7354 6 ай бұрын

Zeka was practicing corki

@yassirelhidani6803 6 ай бұрын

@@ronlanders7354 Zeka was literally playing corki before , he had a high winrate on the champ , you can check his stats and games played on corki , idk what are you trying to say , that he is trolling on stage ? Picking corki and practicing in a live PRO game , WTFfff ??

@ronlanders7354 6 ай бұрын

@yassirelhidani6803 new items, changes how the champs feel to players. Some who had a great aatrox,neeko, or Lucian look bad cause it's a new season. people who are up to par early will perform well but not everybody. No need to rage.

@jazeroliversy673 6 ай бұрын

Damn like who tf is saying zeka is an insanely good player? League discourse is as fucked as the NBA. Casual fans just talk and talk without actually watching the league.

@PeoplePleaser578 6 ай бұрын

Mechanically he is good. But his overall game is not comparable to other mids.