Not enough G2 talk next ep gotta be 24hrs about how G2 are the best

Why was Jack brought on to Ferra’s show to not talk?

The problem with orgs withholding their participation on the basis of appearance fees is that virtually every non-RLCS rocket league tourney operates at a loss or barely breaks even. There is only so much a first-time event can do to drive viewership and it costs wild amounts of money to run it well. Casters, admins, production, prize pool, advertising (if you do want to increase your viewership, even marginally) // it takes everyone to build the scene and allow these tournaments to be consistently profitable and allow everyone, including orgs, to then have a piece of the cut. If anything the orgs should be asking for a perfentage of the profits (after expenses.) but their participation in and of itself will drive viewership and growth and make it a more viable system. Plus having all the french teams play in a tourney where theres more pride and eyes on it than scrims is valuable in the lead up to worlds. All around the french orgs have a bad take on this. We grow together. This E-Sport is such a fragile ecosystem as it is

This podcast just reminds me that I really want to make individual player jersey/decals a thing. Would really incentivise players creating content and more availability for orgs to gain income.

Jack real quiet cuz he knows he’s gettin the bread lol

Love when Appjack is in the show.

can't say that chalked receiving hate was something I was expecting to see haha

I'm American and Jack is right about the bread being sweet. You have to put in some effort to find bread without added sugar.

They let Jack speak a total of 7 words this whole stream lol

Sounds to me like the orgs signed bad long-term contracts to get the best players at the time and want small TOs to make up for their poor contracts. Why should dumb organizations be bailed out by other folks in the community? This has been coming for a long time, players have been massively overcompensated for how much money they bring into the orgs via content or sponsorships.

Does anyone actually care if the orgs aren't involved so long as the teams/players can still compete? I don't really understand where the support for orgs comes from aside from Moist/KC etc who have a popular persona at the root, besides that who actually gives a toss about some random corporation. Expecting tournament organisers to have a secret pool of money to pay orgs feels like a braindead argument, just take some of the prizepool

What will happen eventually is all of the esport will be consolidated into a few giant orgs who can afford to pay pros. Those orgs will have multiple teams and push everyone else out. Look at Falcons - they are funded by the Saudi government so they'll always be able to afford the best of the best. If we want RLCS to have a variety of orgs and parity the only solution is some sort of salary cap/franchise situation. There's just simply not enough money in the scene for each region to have a bunch of orgs paying top dollar for their players. It's a harsh reality that I feel like nobody wants to admit. Esports is a bubble that got too much dumb money invested in it and most orgs did not take the time to build a profitable model. The only orgs that will make it are the ones who are solid (like G2) or have tons of investment (like Falcons). The only other option is that epic pumps more and more money into the scene to support the mid-level orgs. But all of that wealth will just accumulate at the top anyway over time.

Yay! Finally some good guests!

Just pressed play. 2 S tier guests. Both are Knowledgeable and very well spoken.

Ferra got a lot of logical points but he is also essentially saying KC (and the French teams) think it's below them

French players won't get out of bed for less than $20k 😭😭😭 iykyk [edit] I just listened to the cuisine tiers episode and there's a part where Johnny literally says, "They have a lot of things that you probably don't even know are French... like crepes are French" I CAN'T

How does ferra have such a thick French accent with a better English vocabulary than some native English speakers I know

58:12 this just gave me an idea. What if for example, KC calls out Vitality during this off season for a wager match bo7 and hype up it up for a week. I think it will create that content buzz orgs look for plus give the teams a meaningful match to play.

Why is the tagged game for this League of Legends?

after following Jack for years for him to say Italian food is overrated this has has pissed me off and I never want to see his face again

What most people dont understand about large Orgs is that these esport teams are basically a charity case for them to be able to gain exposure / a fan base while being able to write off losses against their actual cash flow positive business. F1 is a perfect example of this (though events and pay is structured differently), the teams themselves almost never are "profitable". They blow HUGE sums of money into the sport just to be in the competition and maybe pick up a fan base they wouldnt have reached without. But they are by no means looking to make this a self sustaining entity. Its entire existence for the org is essentially marketing with some fun on the side (which coincidentally decreases their tax bill due to all the "business expenses" that are incurred).

Jack was right about Italian food. shame nobody mentioned Thai or Indian

Rizzo is hating on G2 WHEN HE WAS IN G2 LONG TIME AGO!!

MY GOAT FERRA

You didn't mention OXG throwing vs Furia

someone should make a petition that looks for pro players, coaches, and other influential figures in the rlcs scene to sign in support of the change in prizepool distribution if long-term contracts and monthly salaries are guarunteed. I would like to see the numbers alone, forget the names that do and don't sign.

Jack saying he's only 20 gave me fucking whiplash, good lord.

Would players not be able to play in tournaments themselves if the orgs chose not to be represented? I agree orgs should have an incentive to play in small tournaments, but I don't think players should be restricted.

They didn’t even mention G2 vs Furia what the heck

Doing it again lmao. “102 mentions aren’t enough” =/= talking about the actual team as a topic for sub-5 minutes. And I cannot stress this enough, I am NOT a G2 fan or calling you a hater, I’m simply saying it was weird that y’all didn’t have the Major winners as an actual headline topic immediately after said Major. Like I feel that is an entirely fair critique for a esports podcast lol.

When is Salt Mine 4?

As a big fan of the G2 team and players, I agree with Johnny that saying Falcons choked doesn’t make G2s win any less impressive - Like J said, mental has a lot of impact on outcome and G2 and their fans should be proud that they were as prepared and mentally strong as they were in that series

You would think the European orgs would want their team to get the practice before the worlds.

Orgs not playing doesn't make sense. Theyre still playing for salaries of players SMM coaches. Asking for appearance fees from small tournament organizers makes no sense. The TO won't grow if there's no big teams, it makes more sense to ask bigger TOs for AF like EWC or Epic. Once TOs get bigger it makes sense but playing in small trusted tournaments helps the community and org reputation

Franchise here we come, or what? Competitive integrity will take a toll if. What else could happen?

If it was single game elimination I could get the arguments of their better their worse. But best of 7 means you get atleast 4 chances to prove you're the best team. G2 beat falcons 4 times on the day they were the best team

Shift league being a mostly English speaking event has got to reduce the value for the French teams as well

A forced error in RL is as simple as outpositioning the other team. Let’s say the last defender is forced to choose between two defensive positions, he plays a bit of an in between, and then a ball to the top corner is able to squeak through. That is a forced error. Similar to blast in the ball to the backboard is an incredibly difficult read, your team wouldn’t say “i can’t believe you missed that”, it’s a forced error. Not mechanically but positionally, let’s say the defender spaced himself from the backboard and it’s not hit super hard. He will probably think “ah I should’ve got that one.” Even though it’s the same play very small differences in positioning determines forced vs unforced errors in our game.

I think G2 choked really bad in the finals of the Copenhagen major.

Yeah,I had to come over from Spotify to comment. What Ferra says doesn't make sense. The orgs exist literally to have players participate in the esport. If they are declining to participate unless they get paid that really does not make sense. Like if the players didn't want to play I'd get it but I doubt that honestly. they got in the scene cause they love to compete not for brand deals or anything. They literally could have accepted let the players just play to no cost for the org. Them declining strictly hurts any third party organizers cause I'll be honest, I'm only watching the NA summer league because the best NA has is there to compete. I no longer care about the EU league because I don't really care if EU 5 seed can beat EU 6 seed or whatever. That league hase become so much less interesting and to know that's the case because of org corpo greed honestly looks really grim for the scene. Let your players compete if they want to cause I guarantee they want to compete.

Jack is my favorite player but the guy should never utter another opinion about food ever again lmao

Jack looks too calm and quiet for some reason, not like the usual

The whole forced vs. unforced errors debate is irrelevant, and I'm glad they kind of resolved to that. When Vitality beat BDS at Worlds, no one complained that BDS choked or didn't show up. Vitality deserved the win. At the previous Worlds, no one complained about how G2 choked against BDS because BDS deserved the win. This major, G2 deserved the win. Weird that people are trying to cope over Falcons losing. Falcons looked great up until that series, and they should be proud of that. Can't wait to see them at Worlds this year.

Y'all sleeping on frog legs. Lousiana and florida folks will back the french on that one. Also i think we're under-estimating just how many common sauces and dishes in the US and rest of Europe descend from french cooking. ALSOO i mean the bread and dessert and cheese game really isnt something to sneeze at. Fuck colonialism and thank god Vietnam is free BUT the inherent fusion of modern vietnamese cuisine because of french occupation is delicious, its just tragic how it came about

W Ahmad

Finally someone talks about the fact that players get the prize money lul. I've always found it weird.

Wow, you guys didn’t spend the entire episode worshipping the ground Beastmode walks on? Disrespectful, what a bunch of clown analysts.

I am a big G2 fan but I have to say the G2 fanbase is kinda becoming the TeamLH of RLCS

Has it been discussed in any of these episodes, how NA teams have been booed by fans so much in the past few years for this game? It's pretty strange and interesting to me and I'm surprised to see so little discussion of it. I'm not even American but would be nice to hear a USA USA USA chant when NA teams are popping off at lans, without it being boo'd and shut down. Though I must say, there's a significant degree of entertainment value in seeing NA fans or NA teams be booed just for them to win afterwards, so I suppose I'd miss it if the ones doing it stopped.

This is one of the first times I think that ferra took an L. I feel like he just was not understanding any of the points that they were bringing up about prize money.

Anyone want a deadzone for right joystick? Rl get your shit together

It's good to see Johnny consistently having F tier food opinions. I'll never forget him trying to claim Scottish food, that involves the most disgusting dish ever invented (haggis) and also just a bunch of bland dishes with potatoes, meat and other shit, was better than American food. Lost all credibility with his opinion on food with that take, so it's good to see him staying on brand with liking anchovies on pizza and frog legs and snails. 👌🏼👍🏼

I agree with jack the only reason the term unforced error exists in rocket league is so people like Johnny can try to justify their copium intake

Ferra basically defending the french orgs being entitled af

a little bit of hyperboly from Johnny at 6 minutes (about how the unforced error comments are about boost steals two minutes ago and what G2 fans want everyone to say)

Ferra's point is fair regarding big orgs needing more than just a $20k prize pool in return. But at the same time, orgs help legitimize these tournaments and help grow the community, making prize pools in the future bigger, and encourage sponsors to fund more TOs. It is fair to want to stay out but it isn't the optimal decision at the end of the day.

Cjcj is pronounced newpo not nowpo

The peak viewership of this esport, which is basically nothing compared to the tier 1 esports of the world, is only because of the giant French orgs. This esport is essentially washed without them. No shot in hell the Shift tournament gets any more than 30k viewers. Epic needs to change the way they’re handling everything or this game will be dead.

YEEESSSS FERRAA ❤

Rare Johnnyboi W

karmine and gentlemates increase the viewers of any RL tournament they participate in by a factor of 10, so they want money. makes sense to me. if RL plays too hard, karmine and mates leave rl and take their masses with them (good night RLesports)

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Bro it's "assuming makes an ass out of you and me" not you and I lmao. You know like ass-u-me not ass-u-i

If the system doesn’t change, french elitism will be the downfall of EU

rizzo is mouse esports biggest hater. i never hear him even mention them. but to be real, you guys are kind of haters on g2. if vitality did what g2 did this year it would be zen is the goat best rl player of all time etc, but since its g2 we got johnny hating on them. like if any 1 even suggests g2 is on top hes going to just start coping. thats what people love to point out, its just completely different the way the teams are talked about. like its snarky about g2, and straight glazing of vitality.

They're just strawmanning NA fans and G2 fans to a ridiculous extent. NA fans are understandingly upset that they finally win a major and everyone immediately digs into the most insane hole possible to say that actually they DIDN'T deserve to win and they aren't the best team in the world, when gentlemates and vitality did the exact same thing and commentators literally couldn't stop talking about how they're the best team ever and no one even compares. Then G2 wins and it's painfully obvious people are trying to downplay it as much as humanly possible. Like it physically hurts to watch how hard johnny is trying to downplay G2's accomplishments. Resorting to extreme circumstances and strawman arguments to make NA fans seem irrational. It's just sad, just let people be happy about their team winning. What makes it even crazier is that G2 have made literally even Grand final this entire season and they're specifically not bringing that up because that would make G2 look too good.

Love how rizzo and johnny cry but its genuine yall barely said snything about the MAJOR CHAMPS if anyone from eu won all of you would be on your knees about them for 20 mins minimum. All good tho yall cant ever be wrong.

Sounds like some grabbing at straws as to why NA finally won

How tf is british and american cuisine on the same level? Its american and its not even close. Put it in A

Wow, seriously...just the way you guys started the cast totally put me off to watching this. I am pretty sure it wasnt about not mentioning G2 enough as much as actually talking them up as the top team in RL. Listening to Johnny struggle to actually say they are the best team, not just because they won the event but actually believe they are because of outstanding game play is horrendous. The copium is real with you guys. I got it, EU has been the best for a long time and its hard to stomach them falling by the way side after you guys rode them all season must be tough but sheesh. Falcons handed them their butts and they came back strong, played one hell of a finals against Falcons and had answers for everything no other team did during the entire weekend. But you know maybe just go ahead and make light because you guys are the end all be all and we are just the dumb fans who know nothing about the game. Good on you Rizz for putting the fans on blast instead of manning up and maybe leaning into the fans so we feel like you actually hear us. I expect it from Johnny but not from you man. No I didnt watch the rest of the cast so if you were just messing with us and actually did listen and apologized whole heartedly good on you but after that start I just couldnt keep going.

If you think G2 only won because Falcons choked, then yes you are taking A LOT away from their win. The honest truth is that this is EU fan cope (MENA fans have been normal about this) because G2 would've won if Falcons choked or not.

I have said it before, i will say it again, Jhonnyboi needs to chill out a bit and let others speak. Love the man, has great analytical takes and does have deeper understanding of the game for sure but MAN, just STFU sometimes and let others SPEAK. Its beginning to frustrate me as the chalked cast has progressed.

Yall are a joke 😂

Mena cannot argue they are the best, they haven't won a single event, ever!

Tournament invites Big Orgs to play/ help with exposure….Big orgs want to charge a fee to play….Tournaments need exposure to grow the scene/charge sponsors more so they can afford fee money…. Tournament invites Big Orgs to play/ help with exposure….Big orgs want to charge a fee to play….Tournaments need exposure to grow the scene/charge sponsors more so they can afford fee money…. Tournament invites Big Orgs to play/help with exposure….Big orgs want to charge a fee to play….Tournaments need exposure to grow the scene/charge sponsors more so they can afford fee money….

johnny has gone on record about saying that cloud 9s run was less impressive because dignitas didn't perform in the finals, but now he says that he doesn't think saying one team choked or didn't perform well takes away from the accomplishment of the team. sure.