Ah, thanks Rick. I guess I've lived long enough and argued long enough to have figured it out! A kind response turneth away wrath. I don't know about you, but I've had enough of the nasty, on-line screaming. Mirrors politics and our troubled times. Everyone takes offense at everything. He who shouts loudest wins! No tolerance. A significant part of our beautiful democratic republic is guaranteed rights to our own religion, opinions, free speech -- while allowing others the same! Just because we don't agree doesn't meat we have to metaphorically burn them at the stake! Unless and until the majority of us grow up, cool down, and start respecting others' choices, society will continue its painful decline. Cheers, my friend.

True, but the person who asked the question lives on Marylands Eastern Shore which is about 30 minutes from where I live. Some of MD, like all of Delaware is shotgun, muzzleloader, or straight walled cartridge only, no true centerfires like a .243 are allowed. Of course even on the Eastern Shore, they have all those, plus centerfires are allowed, it just depends on the area you're in. It's actually a nightmare keeping track especially since Delaware now allows cartridges like the 450 Bushmaster since it's straight walled. All of my deer hunting is in upstate PA and NY, both places centerfires are legal.

I was wondering about that

😇 Amen! 🙏

Believe it or not, some folks just don't care.

That %percentage is way higher than you think! ☹

Friend had that. He snuck in to 200 yards of nice 4x4 Muley. People way below (Friend ranged them later at 650) started lunching rounds. Friend dropped the 4x4 and they just kept shooting and shooting while he took cover. In the end they killed 3 Doe's and wounded a small 2x2 Buck. There are no Doe tags in this area. He reported them to Fish & Game. He was very upset with them in many ways as you can guess.

That’s wild that you scored a killing shot!! That’s a good reminder for me to double check… cheers!!

Biggs, you are right. I've heard the same thing from several fans. Further research reveals there is a solid divide between no-spin and spin groups. I think the most accurate way to explain is this: The "fins" on rifled slugs are designed to accommodate safe passage through tight barrels and esp. tight chokes. An ancillary effect is a slight spin to the bullet that can be seen in slow motion video. This spin, however, is in all likelihood insufficient to stabilize the projectile. (That, at least, is what I can see in these videos. When you know spin stabilized bullets are rotating 150,000 to 300,000 rpm, the slow spin of rifled slugs seems woefully inadequate.)

You're right, but the time and differences in projectile velocity and gravitational velocity are too tiny to matter. Gravity pulls a bullet roughly 16 feet over the first second of its release. At 3,000 fps MV the same bullet reaches 500 yards (given reasonable B.C. rating) in about 1/2 second. So 16 fps velocity is at least half of its 1 second drop, say 8 feet. Now factor that against 3,000 fps and it's 0.26%. If normal drop at 500 yards is 45 inches, 0.26% of that would represent about 0.058% or 0.117" difference. Meanwhile, gravity pulling over the horizontal distance compared to the longer angled distance to the target represents a much larger change in drop as reflected by the bullet striking higher regardless of up or down angle. (Double check my calculations because I'm anything but a math whiz!)

So yes and no. Lol. All the prc cartridges are the same diameter. But… the 6.5 is a short action, the 7prc is standard length, the 300prc is magnums length. Think of them as stair steps! 👍

Yes sir! Double projectile weight and you double energy. Double projectile velocity and you quadruple its energy. And the higher the projectile's ballistic coefficient, the higher its retained velocity at all distances, ergo...

I shot it with 204 Ruger to celebrate our 200,000 subscribers.

Savage is chambering a few rifles in 6mm ARC.

The prc shoot the same weight bullet 100-200fps faster then the ai with a fair bit more recoil. I’m still a 280ai fan over the 7prc because in my shooting distances I don’t need the extra hp and I’m not a fan of recoil. I also reload and you can hotrod the 280ai a lot and it uses less powder so it’s cheaper a little. Also some browning x bolts are 1:8 twist in 280ai so you can shoot the big heavy bullets. Also the 280 will hold 1-2 more shells in the magazine over the prc.

@@JAKDRZR thanks I am also a 280ai fan as well

I'm not clear on some of your terms, Charles. What is the SM cartridge? If your chamber cast measures out as a 7x57 Mauser, then that is what that rifle is chambered to shoot. What do you mean by "split the ends a quarter inch from the base?" The "end" suggests the case mouth or neck to me. If you mean the cases are separating about an inch above the base, that is a classic head separation resulting from excessive headspace exacerbated, perhaps, by excessive full length resizing. Rem. Rolling Blocks are reportedly notorious for having excessive headspace in 7x57 Mauser chamberings. This means the shoulder stop of datum point in the chamber is longer than the base-to-shoulder dimension of the cartridge itself. Upon firing, the case expands or flows to fill the space, resulting in the case body breaking away from its base. A "fix" would be to cut enough off the barrel breach to bring the chamber shoulder to the datum line dimension of the cartridges. The chamber might have to be re-cut, too. You can create custom cases to work in the old chamber, too, but I haven't time to describe that process here.

@@RonSpomerOutdoors SM = "Spanish Mauser".

@@RonSpomerOutdoors and base separation is what is happening. Still trying to find a trusted gunsmith hereabouts who can 1)remove the barrel. 2) "Back it off". And, 3) who has, or can get, a chamber reamer for a 7x57mm Mauser.

The slugs themselves are rifles, fairly accurate but I would want to be close to think about using a slug.

Sabot slugs do require rifling.

Depends on the bullet weight. Lighter bullets call for faster burning powder, heavier bullets slower burning in all cartridges.

Has she tried any other rifles ? You can magnaport most any rifle. That will greatly reduce the recoil and not make it overly loud like a muzzle break does

The 223 is a fine cartridge. Check your state game laws for energy requirements. Monolithic bullets work great. Just be sure you meet your states requirements. Shot placement actually means far more than firepower.

Absolutely. My father used rifled chokes and sabot slugs my whole life. Provided excellent accuracy to about 125 yds

Definitely no better for hunting or custom gun owners. It's for the factory rifle long range target shooters, but they will try and sell it to the younger hunters 😉

🙄 The difference at 500 yards, between the two cartridges (7mm Remington Magnum and 7mm prc) using the same 175 grain Nosler ABLR bullet is 3/4" difference in drop and, with a 10 mph cross wind, is 1/10" difference in wind drift! If you really think you can shoot that difference with any consistency, then you are totally delusional! But, if you could, it would make absolutely No Difference in the actual outcome for hunting purposes! This is ALL "Marketing Hype"! 🤮

@@redrock425 Completely agree. The PRCs and the like are designed for long range performance, not hunting. You see it all the time. "This new fangled cartridge is no better than my old so and so, it's all just hype, it's a money grab, blah blah blah." And they're right. 500yrds and in, you might well stick with what you have because that's not what these are really for. For whatever reason they try to appeal to the hunting crowd in their marketing, damn well knowing that it isn't going to be who actually uses these cartridges to their potential and it's not who these cartridges were developed for. Doesn't make a lick of sense to me but it's what they do.

Perhaps it is a short cartridge? I am not up to date on this

Nope, same size action!

@@ronlowney4700 Thanks 👍

I have been interested in a 7mm rifle to complement my current inventory. The fast twist, high b/c designs seem to be designed to deal with no lead hunting rules. So the 7PRC is likely to have longevity for that reason. My current longer range rifles are 6.5CM, .270Win, and .308Win.

👨‍⚖ I am not saying that it isn't a good cartridge or that it won't be a good seller (I actually think that it will be)! But, just like the 6.5 Creedmore, it is being "Overhyped"! Does the 6.5 Creedmore shoot the bullets any faster than the 260 Remington or 6.5x55 with a good handload? Nope! In it's case, it's only "Advantage" is that it has a faster twist barrel, that can shoot heavy bullets! As far as the 7mm prc, If I wanted to shoot heavier bullets, faster, I would just go with a "Big 30 caliber" (like the 300 Weatherby Magnum) and be done with it! But, since my 270 Winchester has served me well for almost half a century now, I personally don't need anything else! And, I live in Montana, where we have more North American Big Game Species than ANY other state in the union! My Grandfather took every North American Big Game Species with his 270 Winchester, including a number of Record Book Animals! So, Unless you are going to Alaska or Africa, a 270 Winchester should suffice for all your hunting needs! All you need to do is pick a good bullet for the job and put the bullet where it is supposed to go! 🎯

Turtle, I appreciate your opinion and research, but my definition of omnivore is an animal that eats (and uses the nutrition from) both plants and animals. One can argue the degree of each, but to insist that a human, bear, or raccoon, for instance, that survives by eating a mix of meat, seeds (grains), leaves, roots, fruits, etc. is strictly a carnivore is no more accurate than insisting it's a strict herbivore. I do agree that there are degrees, i.e. 40% carnivore diet and 60% herbivore, but an animal's ability to utilize meat as well as vegetation suggests omnivorous to me. I suppose this comes down to the digestive system of the animal. A buffalo, for instance, has a gut engineered to utilize gut bacteria to convert grass into energy, but not meat into energy. A lion has the gut to convert meat into energy, but not grass. A human can survive handily on a strictly plant or meat diet, ergo: omnivore. Millions of humans survive as strict vegetarians. I am not one of them.

@@RonSpomerOutdoors Again I must correct this Ron. These classifications are determined by biologists, paleontologists etc. For example a lion is considered an obligate hyper carnivore. As it’s diet is comprised of over 70% animal products. (That is the threshold) In fact the lion is slightly less carnivorous than anatomically modern humans, and all pre human sub species for the past 4.5 million years. Minus the agrarian revolution about 10k years ago. Our diets ranged around 80% animal by caloric equivalent. “And of that it was mostly large fatty ruminant animals” The lion does chew on grasses and inadvertently eats plant materials from the game it kills. This shows up in the isotope testing. And as a result it generally scores as slightly less carnivorous than all humans and pre humans for most of our evolution. “We also ate the other carnivore’s like lions, which shows in the stable isotope testing. Humans avoided plants with the exception of extreme hunger signaling. And even then, the plants humans ate 99% of the time were fibrous tubers containing near nothing by way of so called “caloric value”. It was extremely rare for humans and pre humans to come by sugars or starches. Which is why we developed the ability to conduct de novo lipogenesis at a rate rivaling any other mammal. This evolutionary adaptation helped us pack on fat very quickly whenever we happened upon some honey or fruit for the typical 3 weeks or so they may be available, in order to help survive the winter. It’s also why we are completely enzymatic digesters. We lost our hind gut millions of years ago. A person could eat salad or saw dust. Our digestive tract will get exactly the same use of each. Irritation and bloat. Of course the optimal diet for the lion, or other carnivores would be 100% carnivorous. But that generally doesn’t happen in the wild. But it seems telling that so many people with endless food allergies end up alleviating the problem by eating the meat of large ruminant animals exclusively. I am not down playing your definition of a carnivore. I just thought it appropriate to talk about how these things are determined. It seems logical a lion would only eat meat. And if the lion had its way, it would. And would be better off for it.

@@RonSpomerOutdoors I’m not trying to “correct” you to be clear. Your logic is understandable and reasonable. But I know evolutionary biology (specifically mammalian) like you know guns. And I like learning all I can from you. If anything it was a nice opportunity to comment and keep the algorithm going! Love your channel and all you do!

Ron, please stop vomiting. It's not worth the pain. The value in the PRC is not that it barely beats the 7mm RM in trajectory, but that it has been engineered from cartridge to chamber to twist rate for maximum precision out of the box, i.e. accuracy. If all goes according to plan, one should be able to buy rifle and factory ammo and, on average, shoot more precisely than with the average 7mm RM. I agree this makes little or no difference for sensible-range deer and elk hunting, but tools like the 7 PRC are aimed at perfectionists smitten with extreme range performance. Just gives us peons more options. This is still USA. Options are good. No one is holding a gun to our heads, so to speak. Whatever tickles your wind chimes! And anything that helps keep our gun and ammo manufacturers in business works for me.

🤯 "Vomiting"? Just presenting the "FACTS"! Just like you, all I did is run the numbers and presented them in a "useful/meaningful format"! 👨‍🏫 If you disagree, please let me know why? 🤷‍♂️

@@ronlowney4700 You put a vomit face on the end of your written comments, sir. I take no issue with your facts. I politely explained my impression of the value of the 7PRC. None of the devalues your appreciation for the 7 RM. Your presentation would have been more effective if you hadn't included the personal, insulting statement calling everyone who imagines they can use the "difference" inherent in the PRC "delusional." Insults like this never help one's arguments, my friend. You are a knowledgable and deeply experienced hunter and shooter. Share what you know without insults and more readers will believe you. Peace and respect.

🧐 Very few people in the World can consistantly shoot a 3/4" of an inch difference at 500 yards, let alone 1/10" of an inch at that range! 🤯 The people that I've talked to that are buying this for "long range hunting" (which I am not a fan of anyway) are talking about it's great ballistics - but, how many have actually even taken 5 minutes to run the numbers or can actually shoot the difference between the two cartridges? Especially "New Shooters"? 🙃 Hummm...and then should I "FEEL SORRY" for the Multi- Billion Dollar Ammunition Manufactures that would like to sell me their "proprietary cartridge" and that (in many cases) are the only ones that make it, just so I am totally dependent upon them for Ammunition and will then get charged 3 to 4 times the price for a box of Ammunition? 😪 How does that benefit me again and why would I support that idea? 😠 Hummm...we already saw how that played out during the Ammunition Crisis, didn't we? ☹ Not well! 🤒 And, then their was the fact that Steve Horneday chose to try to force his employees to take the vaccine (my mother was also forced to take the vaccine - by her care facility, in order to receive care - and it killed her 😡)! So, as a consumer, I do like choices and to support ONLY those people that share my values! 😇 But, at this point, I am still having trouble finding primers to reload with and every new cartridge that comes out means that their is less primers available for me to purchase! 🤨 So, how can I be a fan of that? 🤪 Their is absolutely nothing wrong with cartridges that have been killing elk for the last 100 years and the animals haven't got any tougher, have they? 💪Do I have a problem with anyone comming out with a "New Cartridge"? 🤔 The answer is YES, When it effects my ability to get the components that I need or significantly raises the price on what I pay! 👨‍💼 Is it really the "New Shooters" fault (which is what we have been told by the Ammunition Companies) for the Significant Price Increases and Ammunition and Reloading Components "Availability", or is it something else (like corporate greed or supply chain shortages) and are we being LIED TO? In today's society, I am inclined to believe the latter! Horneday didn't support either the availability of 300 prc or 6.5 prc ammunition well, where I live! So, why would I believe that the 7mm prc will be any different? Sorry, I'm not trying to be a "pessimist" here, just a "realist"! ☹ Pardon me if I don't believe either a Politician or Company CEO, when they say that they have a great "New Idea" for me and then the price that I pay for everything goes up! 🤑 Nor can I stay silent when the praise of a new product is being discussed by potential consumers that are just "parroting" the company's marketing department! A "little skepticism" is a healthy thing, I hope you know? 🥳 And, a little "public debate" isn't a bad thing, for potential consumers either! 🙂

😎 Ok then, I'll try and take a "Little Different Approach", by going to the "Source of the Information" (i.e. You)! Last time we talked about "Practical Results", and we talked about how the "Difference" between the drop of the 270 Winchester vs. the 6.8 Western being 1" at 500 yards! This time, we are talking about a "Difference" in drop of 3/4" at 500 yards, between the 7mm Remington Magnum and the 7mm prc! So, using a 1" Difference for both, at 500 yards - that would mean that You (the shooter) would have to CONSISTENTLY Shoot 1"/(1/2)/(1/2)/(1/2)/(1/2) = 1/16" groups at 100 yards, to be able to shoot a 1" difference at 500 yards! Tell me Ron, CAN THE "AVERAGE SHOOTER" CONSISTANTLY SHOOT 1/16 INCH GROUPS AT 100 YARDS, TO GET "ANY ADVANTAGE" AT ALL??? 🤯 Since you are a Professional Gun "WRITER" Ron, what "WORD" would you use - if the Word "Delusional" Is "Not Appropriate"? 😶 How about "Dishonest"? 👨‍⚖ You tell me, since you are the "Writer", with "Higher Moral Values" than the ones I apparently have, for using the word "Delusional"??? 🤷‍♂️ Obviously, I am making absolutely no monetary gains for my "critique" either, so my "professional reputation" is not on the line here! 🤔 I'm just a "peon" engineer, "Vomiting" up useless information and "searching" for the "right words" to use here? 🙄 So, please, tell me where I am wrong in my "assessment" of the "actual situation"? 🧐

I rolled my eyes when I heard that, it's just as unethical as long range "hunting."

The primary goal of hunting is to take game for meat. If using bait helps, then i dont see the problem. You only have a limited number of tags anyways so who cares how you get them? The whole “ethical” spiel is hilarious. You think humans thousands of years ago worried about how they got their game?

@@John_Redcorn_ Your not hunting to survive today.If you want to go and shoot deer over a bait pile to fill your freezer than that's exactly what your doing shooting deer but you are not hunting that animal.Any boob can shoot deer over a bait pile.

@@John_Redcorn_ You just based your argument on cavemen.

Well, if you live in a state that allows it, you're competing with folks who are baiting. You pretty much have to at least feed the deer, even if you don't hunt over the bait.