Why No Fast Twist 270 Win? - Season 2: Episode 77

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Welcome to the Ron Spomer Outdoors Podcast! In this episode, I answer your questions about what I think will be the next hot cartridge niche and more! Enjoy.
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00:00 - Corrections
09:21 - Given the explosion of new calibers recently, and with nearly every other possible cartridge already made, what do you think the next focus on caliber will be? What is that next niche market?
12:04 - Ron, what is the difference in terminal impact for hunting between traditional, shorter bullets and the modern, longer bullets? I get the longer bullets give better long range performance, but once the bullet hits an animal, what are the pros and cons of each?
14:50 - I've never heard of anyone experimenting with titanium barrels …..is anyone doing that, yet?
15:44 - Ron, why do you think there's such a fascination with getting a custom rifle but that fascination doesn't seem to translate over into shotguns? I come from a background in target shotgun shooting and the benefits of a well fitted shotgun are pretty impressive. The custom fit shotgun actually shoots where you are looking and equally important you can direct where and how the recoil impacts your body.
19:41- Re 6.8 Western video - Why didn't Browning/Win just start building .270 Win in 1:9 or 1:8 twist?
23:43 - WC Sessa's question: I liked the information you provided on the .284 Winchester, and you seem to like the cartridge very much, so It begs the question: Have you ever used the 22-284? What did you hunt, if anything with it, and what do you think of it?
29:42 - I just got a Remington 700 in .270. Did I make a good choice?
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Who is Ron Spomer
For 44 years I’ve had the good fortune to photograph and write about my passion - the outdoor life. Wild creatures and wild places have always stirred me - from the first flushing pheasant that frightened me out of my socks in grandpa’s cornfield to the last whitetail that dismissed me with a wag of its tail. In my attempts to connect with this natural wonder, to become an integral part of our ecosystem and capture a bit of its mystery, I’ve photographed, hiked, hunted, birded, and fished across much of this planet. I've seen the beauty that everyone should see, survived adventures that everyone should experience. I may not have climbed the highest mountains, canoed the wildest rivers, caught the largest fish or shot the biggest bucks, but I’ve tried. Perhaps you have, too. And that’s the essential thing. Being out there, an active participant in our outdoor world.
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@BornAgain2019 Жыл бұрын

Honestly if I were to shoot out my factory M77 22" stainless barrel I would purchase a 24" stainless fluted barrel in a 1:8.5 twist and never look back. 130gr to 175gr projectiles would make the 270 Win a much more versatile if not the quintessential long range medium to large game hammer considering the performance potential and magazine capacity.

@dr.froghopper6711 Жыл бұрын

I like the way you think!

@travissmith-wz5nc Жыл бұрын

Same. Try the hammer bullets in it. But atleast a 1 in 9 would be nice.

@ringofasho7721 Жыл бұрын

I've got a 270 and a 6.8 and love them both. Gotta say though, I think the 6.8 is my favorite of the two

@thejoshpope Жыл бұрын

I did a similar thing, shot out my 270, built a 1:9 270 AI, largest bullet I can use is 165 ABLR, I usually use a 140 gr hammer hunter. Great all around lower 48 rifle.

@jg2871 Жыл бұрын

I love my .270 M77 Sporter. The 136 Terminal Ascent is dead on. Shot 3 rounds at 200 yards and only saw two holes, didn’t miss, just stacked them!

@brob-zy8zi Жыл бұрын

I knew a couple of guys that worked at Ultra Light Arms when they were still in WV. After a certain amount of time they were given a rifle as a gift. Sounded like a great company to work for and I know their rifles were incredible.

@stefanocappella9612 Жыл бұрын

I use my 270 for absolutely everything here in Northern alberta canada 🇨🇦

@chewy7775 Жыл бұрын

I hunted Colorado elk with a couple guys from Ontario , both had 270’s.

@edwardhoward4708 Жыл бұрын

I base my purchasing decisions largely on availability and cost of ammo, ideally the sort of stuff you can buy at any retailer down to the mini mart in small towns. In Virginia that’s .308, .30-06, .270, .223, 9mm, .45 auto, maybe .40 Cal and .30-30, possibly a few others. No one needs a magnum around here. What would it be up there?

@lanceroberthough1275 Жыл бұрын

What? No 338 Win Mag??? Just kidding.

@arizonawvkid Жыл бұрын

You all still allowed to have a rifle geesh getting bad huh?

@giuseppecannata5544 Жыл бұрын

Hi Ron, my choice of 30 caliber would be the 30-30. Thanks for the great podcasts.

@Icriedtoday 2 ай бұрын

A year late but titanium barrels have been tried, but suffer from a galling issue. When a bullet travels down the barrel under pressure, it does cause the barrel to expand slightly, but only momentarily. The problem with titanium is its tendency to remain expanded.

@strat1080 Жыл бұрын

The Nosler Partition is the perfect bullet for all situations other than shooting past 500-600 yards. Its among the best penetrating bullets out there but it also expands violently.

@rogerramjet7567 Жыл бұрын

I have used the 338 partition in 210 and 225 gr. For everything from Alaska brown bear and moose to antelope. Performance was ALWAYS PERFECT !! Groups ran one inch or less. 👍👍

@strat1080 Жыл бұрын

@@rogerramjet7567, I like the 200 gr Partition in the 300 Win Mag and the 130 gr Partition in the 270. I don’t get into all the high BC hoopla these days.

@tubbs1208 Жыл бұрын

25 Creedmoor is growing in popularity, and 25/284 is seeing a resurgence. Preferred Barrels has 1-7.5 and 1-8 twists

@RonSpomerOutdoors Жыл бұрын

Thanks for that info, tubbs. I wonder which new 25-cal. will go commercial first?

@nozrep Жыл бұрын

15:30; random side note Fishing Tackle Unlimited in my city sells an all titanium pair of fishinf pliers. Mind blown when I discovered them! Hahah because titanium does not rust even in salt water coastal applications. But durnit that was 200 dollar set of fishing pliers! Don’t lose them in the water!😅

@HobbitHomes263 Жыл бұрын

The cool thing about surplus Swedish Mausers is that 1) they VERY well made and 2) from that start they were barrelled with a 1:87 twist so they can stabilize just about anything the 6.5 CR can handle. The issue with factory ammo is that it is fairly low pressure but it can be handloaed to some truly spectacular results

@johnoltrogge6333 Жыл бұрын

270 Winchester: Its taken 11 months, but my 1:8 twist .277 barrel is 'in the mail' and its getting used to upgrade my old 270 Winchester, not for some super-duper-wonder Mag. Nosler 165 ABLR and 170 Sierra's on the shelf waiting for the rifle. In reference to the .25s, check out the 25 Sherman Short and the Sierra 133gr (I think) .257 bullets. The train has left the station Ron, you and I just need to catch up.

@allen4758 Жыл бұрын

You ever try the Berger bullets?

@johnoltrogge6333 Жыл бұрын

@@allen4758 I have. My next to last mule deer buck and a Wyoming antelope were taken with a 6.5 130gr and 25 cal 115gr VLD-H's respectively. Both were in open country, but for elk I prefer a bullet that has the possibility of having an exit so they might leak out both sides. I have friends that have used Bergers on elk and I've seen their videos with bulls dropping in their tracks, but personally I prefer controlled expansion on the big stuff. The old Nosler Partitions have served me well on Alaska moose and Brown bears, so I'm confident with them. Because I can, I tailor the gun/load/bullet to the specific hunt, which lets me try lots of different bullets. Thanks.

@allen4758 Жыл бұрын

@@johnoltrogge6333 I have 2 boxes of 7mm partitions to load up iv been saving for a special occasion,, maybe one day I'll make it out to the big country and use em ,, all we have here are deer and black bear

@johnoltrogge6333 Жыл бұрын

@@allen4758 You won't be disappointed with their performance. Sometime we have to push ourselves to make things happen, but time flies, so you'll thank yourself for the memories when you are older. Good luck!!

@combatcurtful Жыл бұрын

Ron, I have to say good job catching that fly!

@keithprinn720 Жыл бұрын

now try with chopstix

@nozrep Жыл бұрын

fair point on the neck meat and cwd definitely wanna be careful and cook thoroughly. But also, side note on neck meat my main point that I came here to type was about grocery store bought pork neck bones. Which I have discovered as a fantastic low-prices alternative during the recent hyper inflationary times of the past two years. I mean fantastic! Yes and I use it in stews. I am curious if I harvested a wild hog and had it processed if it would be as good. Have always heard wild hog is fantastic and better than farm raised pork but it has been so long since I had wild hog pork that I can’t remember.

@user-yj6pr1xn9c Жыл бұрын

My Papaw taught me about the first cleaning/second (true) break-in thing when I was just a boy, glad to see someone putting that out there for others.

@scottschmidt7517 Жыл бұрын

picked up a Rem 700 in 270 Winnie last year. According to the serial number it was made in 1980. It had a 12X Fixed Leupold scope on it. I replaced the bases, found something that lacquered up over the years underneath them, used my fingernail to scratch it off. Replaced the mounts with a Warne Picatinny Rail, Leupold rings, and a VX3HD 3.5-10x. After sight in I let the rifle cool for an hour, then shot a five shot group that could be covered with a nickel. As my cousin would say the Rem 700 has over the Win 70 “has a nice trigger and the safety makes sense”

@johnnorman7708 Жыл бұрын

.270 was a no brainer for multiple generations. You could be absolutely in the dark on rifles and ballistics and choose a .270 Winchester based on barber shop and coffee shop talk and not be sorry. A lot of people did.

@gpearce11 Жыл бұрын

14:50 A couple of minutes on Google told me that titanium barrels have been experimented with, but they need either needed a ceramic lining or for a shotgun, which doesn't surprise me at all. Titanium is world famous for being both lighter and stronger than steel, but many forget it's also noticably softer than steel. Considering the barrel wear that happens every time a gun is fired, the barrel life of a titanium barrel without a steel core or ceramic lining would be a fraction that of a steel barrel (this is also why we don't see titanium knives, as they're too soft to stay as sharp compared to steel). Factor in carbon fibre barrel advancements in recent years and I find it highly unlikely we'll ever see any of the major barrel makers and gun manufacturers experimenting with titanium.

@martinfernandez5005 Жыл бұрын

I love the idea 💡

@sendit572 Жыл бұрын

Titamium barrels are awesome, strong, light, etc. Check Johann Fanzoj both Mauser 98 and Kipplauf single shot ALL TITAMIUM BARREL AND ACTION. Expensive but probably finest firearms made. Spectacular!

@thomasdaum1927 Жыл бұрын

Hey Ron , I built a 6 x 284 about 25 years ago. It shot well but the throat only lasted about 800 rounds. As you say there is a price to pay for very high velocity !

@nozrep Жыл бұрын

hi i am totally uneducated on these type of things but love watching these type of videos to learn stuff. So… what are the factors that would increase the barrel life of a super high velocity caliber like the one you built to say… theoretically, like increase it to the barrel life of a military issue m4? Ceterus paribus, that is, holding all other factors of the gun you built equal?

@thomasdaum1927 Жыл бұрын

@@nozrep If you are primarily concerned with barrel life just shoot 2 or 3 shot groups and let the barrel completely cool before shooting another group . Not much fun but it will maximize barrel life . In a hunting rifle doing that can make it last a lifetime . I was using the 6 x 284 for prairie dog shooting and over heated the barrel several times and burned the throat out early .

@The-Yotesmith Жыл бұрын

Ron, the problem with twisting a smaller bullet "to fast" is not stability but the possibility of bullets coming apart due to rpm. Thin walled varmint bullets for example might experience this issue.

@Jeff_Seely Жыл бұрын

Thanks for a great video, Ron. I have always had tremendous life with my 270 rifles. They have all been sub moa out to 300 yd and they have put a lot of me in my freezer. I'm older now, so I carry an ultralight sporter and it shoots like a house of fire! Be well and God bless

@RonSpomerOutdoors Жыл бұрын

Thanks Jeff. Great to hear of your lifelong success and enjoyment of your 270s. A hunter could run the table around the world with that one. If only they'd fund the adventure for us.

@Jeff_Seely Жыл бұрын

Thanks😁. I'll second that!

@jonrolfson1686 Жыл бұрын

My first Remington 700 is a mid-seventies vintage Remington 700 BDL in 7mm Rem Mag. That rifle demonstrated vertical stringing associated with the barrel’s warming up after the first three shots. Glass bedding the action and first inch of the barrel cured the problem. Hornady’s 162 grain bullets are basis of the best recipe in that Model 700 7mm Rem Mag. Newer 700s (a VLS in .243 Win, a BDL in .30-’06, and a CDL in .35 Whelen) seem not to have that issue, but it might only be that the newer rifles have never been tested in humid tropical conditions. If the first three shots are all that are ever expected to be shot with real intent, there may be no reason to fix something that isn’t broken.

@ronladuke7235 Жыл бұрын

The only bad things about a new cartridge is that you could pay more for ammo and have availabllity issues. But the worst thing is some of them become obsolete if they they’re not popular enough.

@TheGDizzo Жыл бұрын

OMG! You just took me Waaay back Ron, with that comment about the customized pedals shaped like a barefoot footprint! I can remember getting a set for the Schwinn Stingray w/ the Banana Seat and drag-racing slick on the back as a kid!!! HaHA!

@RonSpomerOutdoors Жыл бұрын

We were too cool back then, were we not?

@stanleymarucha8194 Жыл бұрын

the problem with the 22/284 is the extreme stress put on the bullets and long barrel but what a ride . my heart thump finally stopped on a fast twist 220 swift .

@jamesdavis8771 Жыл бұрын

Great video Gabe!

@marcushom6789 Жыл бұрын

Ron- once again great episode. I really appreciate how you deal with humility even when addressing topics that you have a great deal of knowledge about. On the topic of 25 caliber cartridges I would like to add the 25 x 55AI wildcat I have developed (yes I know I am mixing metric and standard there.). It is essentially the 257 Roberts with much better brass availability. I also think the topic of a fast twist 270 Winchester is very fascinating. I chambered a standard 270 Winchester with a longer throat and an eight twist barrel last year and was able to successfully take my elk with it. I like the fact that I am able to shoot the efficient high ballistic coefficient projectiles with minimal recoil. I was shooting the 170 Berger projectile at 2840 fps. As an up-and-coming gun writer and content creator I would be deeply grateful for the opportunity to meet face-to-face at SHOT show if you’re planning on attending this year.

@RonSpomerOutdoors Жыл бұрын

Flag me down if you see me at SHOT, Marcus.

@ram_bam Жыл бұрын

@29:00 “Didn’t need a magnum for that one” 😂😂😂

@doctormaxpowers7744 Жыл бұрын

300 win mag is my 30 cal choice

@danieltustison822 Жыл бұрын

There was a company that tryed making all titaim revolver in .357 mag and it never worked well your right about Gailing barrel . Was around late 80's if memory suits

@randalls380 Жыл бұрын

I'm gonna subscribe to Sporting Classic. Seems like a good subscription. Thanks for sharing it.

@rogerwilde4103 Жыл бұрын

There are already quite a few people playing with the 25 creedmoor. Blackjack is making high bc bullets and Berger has one as well.

@armassassinstrengthshop Жыл бұрын

Yep 25 creedmoor will make power factor for NRL hunter also using 131 blackjacks, 135 bergers hybrid and 133 elite hunter.

@ronniekennedy9897 Жыл бұрын

I would really like to see an episode where you talk about the appropriate bullets as they relate to shooting White-tail deer behind or through the shoulder. I prefer behind the shoulder, and have had great success with the 150 grain Remington core-lokt for behind the shoulder. I hate to ruin the shoulder meat. Thank you for your wise advice!

@russelljackson7034 Жыл бұрын

Right on

@jacobmccandles1767 Жыл бұрын

Titanium Barrels: Titanium doea not resist errosion or flame cutting as well as steel. You see this even at revolver pressures, where steel barrel liners and anti-flame shields above the cylinder gap are the norm.

@repetemyname842 Жыл бұрын

Neck meat is great in the crock pot, you can fillet it off in one big slab then soak it in some seasoning for a few days. Roll up some pork, garlic, onion and herbs and tie that with some string, stick it in the crock pot overnight. I also use that powdered onion soup mix, I sprinkle that on both the pork and venison before wrapping it all up. Food of the Gods.

@hs459 Жыл бұрын

Hey Ron, my choice for shooting the plaque would be what else 30-06

@larrybassett5559 Жыл бұрын

Shoot it with a .300 H&H Ron, that will fit along with that Sporting Classic's cover. 😉

@dexterlecter7289 Жыл бұрын

I’d like to build a custom barrel around a 6.8 western for precision shooting. I was building a 270 win fast twist a long time ago trying to shoot heavies. I’m a huge 270win fan. I sold all my guns and reloading stuff like a moron years back. I might get back into it but this time a 6.8 western custom build for benchrest/ long range. Although shooting that much powder benchrest is kind of annoying after a while. Shaking the mountains.

@mattevans-koch9353 Жыл бұрын

I was wondering about the KZfaq plaque behind you Ron. I was wondering if it was a three shot group or just a single hole. Thank you for explaining it. For your 300k subscribers, go with a classic like yourself, use a 300 H&H. Thank you for the knowledge you bring to these discussions.

@1bobharvey Жыл бұрын

Its been a while since I read it but "Coyotes : Biology, Behavior and Management" by Marc Bekoff, and it clearly states coyotes do in fact breed once a year. It also says that the record litter size of a coyote pair was 18 if I remember right, which is a hell of a litter. It is a very interesting book if anyone out there wants to really learn about coyote taxonomy, behavior, and management techniques of the early 1900's as well as some of the shenanigans of the WY fish and game department back in the day. It is kind of a dry read tho and probably only for people who geek out on the types of things you would learn in a full fledged college class.

@martinfernandez5005 Жыл бұрын

If you have ever tested high and low velocity impacts of #1 Terminal Assent, #2 Swift Sirroco, #3 Trophy Bonded also from Federal you might be impressed with their ability to expand reliably down below 2000 fps.

@patrioticguy1791 Ай бұрын

Believe it or not, the 25s are getting more common in the PRS circuit. There are several competitors that run a 25 cm, 25 Dasher or 25 GT. Obviously all wildcats but they do make dies for them.

@dukedenarie5858 Жыл бұрын

All the new ones are jut fun to talk about.

@berniestraight126 11 ай бұрын

Sounds like the old around the camp fire talk Most often someone gets up and goes to bed and its over and on to something new

@Chuck_Carolina Жыл бұрын

Titanium has been used for barrels, however, it does not machine well and requires a steel liner (or bore). Ordnance Grade steel alloys are special made giving them the proper qualities needed for firearms use; this stuff was carefully thought out a long time ago and I don't see anything new coming down the pipe anytime soon.

@jojohnson6146 Жыл бұрын

.25 is one of my favorite calibers. I want to neck a 6.5 prc down to .25 and put it in a 1-8” twist and shoot 130 - 140gr. That would be high bc and have some serious zip

@ericevans5043 Жыл бұрын

Great job Ron! The more options the better. If a person goes to another country that's not a democratic republic with capitalism, anyone will see how many choices there will be. Very few...

@powerbagle Жыл бұрын

From what I could find titanium will galvanize from copper, and doesn't have the greatest work hardening(becomes brittle). Might react to powders if too hot. I got all this from Google, so I'm basically an expert on the subject.

@combatcurtful Жыл бұрын

Just listening to you makes me an expert

@HobbitHomes263 Жыл бұрын

In shotguns, with the eye being the rear sight, consistent cheek weld is very important, more so than rifles.

@jveale9621 Жыл бұрын

In reference to titanium barrels, I don't know of any rifles that have done it and I suspect you're right that it doesn't lend itself well to the application. Longthorne Shotguns in the UK did, however, experiment with titanium barrels on one of their over/under shotguns. They have a good video about the whole process on youtube

@TheFreeWillDroppers Жыл бұрын

Hey, Ron! I have been wanting to get in to long range target shooting with my 22wmr! And I'm looking for tips and the best bullets with a high BC and high velocity for long range shots!

@trevorgilmore6569 Жыл бұрын

Re: CWD here in SW Sask. it is in deer, elk and moose. According to Vets, you can minimize your chances even more by selecting younger animals since CWD develops in older animals and by avoiding spinal fluid.

@SurmaSampo Жыл бұрын

CWD acts like an infection, passed between animals by contact with contaminated body fluids. Older animals have just more chances to get contaminated by the disease. Once you have the prions, there is no cure and no recovery.

@danmcallister437 Жыл бұрын

Longthorne made a once off shotgun out of titanium. Interesting video on TGS Outdoors.

@RichardEnglander Жыл бұрын

Don't think it is one-off. You want one they will make you one.

@markmartin3296 Жыл бұрын

had hendershot ammo load up some 225 grain wood leigh bulets for a 338rum for bear protection on my property, was this a good load and bullet design for this application?

@whoshotashleybabbitt4924 Жыл бұрын

If that doesn’t take care of a bear, I am going to say, it was just your time.

@landonmoses6575 Жыл бұрын

I shoot a 25 Creedmoor. 24” Brux 1-7, 115gr Berger Hunters @ 3172 fps on top of H-4350. SD-2.2/ES- 4. Incredibly accurate. Slays mule deer.

@markreaves8086 Жыл бұрын

I actually remember that issue.

@RichardEnglander Жыл бұрын

@Uncle Ron One reason why we see new cartridges is 'perceived obsolescence', as you say it is about sales. The 6.8 Western probably is better than a .270, but the deer can't tell. If the 6.8 was about 70 years ago nobody would invent the .270 would they? Just the difference doesn't matter if you already have an accurate gun 🤷 if I had a rifle that really shot well, from 6.5 to 7.62 and I liked the way it fit and felt, I'd stick with it because new rifle won't make you better or find you more game. 🤷

@jaybailleaux630 Жыл бұрын

Fast twist rifles offer very little to the hunter in my opinion. How far do we need to shoot at game animals? I was a sucker for long range magnum cartridges back in the 60s and 70s . Started with a 270 then went to the 7mm Rem mag . Hunted wit it for years. I always have been a hand loader that loaded to the max. Seen the pit falls of short case life and expenses if you shoot often and develop hand loads . Long story short , I worked my way down to the boring 30-06. The benchmark of all high power cartridges. It is Goldie Locks for me and makes life simple. I own many other firearms for fun but the old trusty rusty 06 gets the job done for me. It is actually more gun than needed for deer. If I lived and hunted in western elk country, I might would have a different opinion. To each his own. The danged old 06 is just easy to deal with. 300 to 400 yards is as far as I possibly would ever want to shoot a critter.

@edwardhoward4708 Жыл бұрын

Fast twist makes a .270 a better elk gun while still being a great deer gun.

@Jet2416-Reloading Жыл бұрын

Commenting on the possibility of Titanium barrels, I can't be certain that a full Titanium or Titanium alloy barrel is not possible but I would think it is more likely the barrels would remain traditional stainless or CMV steels and might be coated with a Titanium composite similar to the Titanium Nitride applied to bolts and other gun parts. TiNi is applied to some pistol barrels but I do not know if it can also be applied to rifle barrels.

@joshuaprince8456 Жыл бұрын

I personally think When You Reach 300,000 subscribers there's nothing more appropriate than a 300 Win Mag just my opinion

@stephentraveler5291 Жыл бұрын

Twist her right pushes the round spinning close wise and that tends to pull the round to right .

@nozrep Жыл бұрын

15:30; oh man yah how cool would a titanium barrel be?!?! And wooooo weeee expensive expensive! Considering the lesser availability yet superior hardness and corrosion resistance of titanium. Am by no means any sort of metallurgist nor expert but I personally opine that it would be totally cool if someone with the “money to spend” made a titanium barrel or discovered which titanium alloy would be able to add enough flexibility to the titantium to make it doable. Have heard that titanium although superior in many ways will also become brittle if stressed beyond its strength too too much. Its strength which is stronger than steel if memory serves.

@thecheapshot1065 Жыл бұрын

The 6.5-284 is one of my favorite Target rounds it is overboard but I wouldn't say much more overboard than my 270 Ackley improved I would think 1500 shots on a barrel would be reasonable

@stanleymarucha8194 Жыл бұрын

6.5 284 is a wonderful hunting cartridge have 3 love the 284 also

@michaelraines93 Жыл бұрын

great vid. its gotta be the legend! 06!

@afroghair6793 Жыл бұрын

284 win or 6.5-284 seem to be the best balance between efficiency, barrel life, accuracy, and energy to me. That being said, I have an Ackley and a Creedmoor.

@rickquist3992 Жыл бұрын

I get more excited about advancements in bullet construction and design rather than new chamberings. I'm weird. I know.

@RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast Жыл бұрын

Not weird. Smart.

@chrish1585 Жыл бұрын

300 win-mag!

@markreaves8086 Жыл бұрын

My vote for 30 cal why not 30/30 win appropriate.

@jerrymartin5100 Жыл бұрын

I just purchased a 1961 model 88 in 308, can't wait to shoot it, mounting a new scope on it before I do.

@billysilva6388 Жыл бұрын

My uncle has 2 243's and 308 in winchester 88. Neat guns.

@jasonbroom7147 Жыл бұрын

All else being equal, a faster-twist barrel restricts the movement of a bullet down the bore, therefore reducing velocity.

@Xtroll1738 Жыл бұрын

While I do agree with you I think the difference is going to be quite small. Probably quite a bit less than difference in cartridge velocity variations in a box of ammo. Being the main reason for the faster twist rate is to shoot longer higher BC bullets, the shooter is already figuring to lose a little velocity from the heavier bullets. I've got a couple AR 15s in 5.56 with different twist rate barrels of which I've never really noticed a different velocities so again while I agree with you I believe the difference is very minimal.

@kylemeier2596 Жыл бұрын

If you increase twist rate you increase the possibility to destabilizing the bullet if its not perfectly concentric in a shorter bullet

@SurmaSampo Жыл бұрын

Nope. Spinning it faster does not make it less stablised otherwise there would be no point in having twist at all. The problem is if you spin a less robust constructed bullet too fast (velocity x twist to get rpm) the centripetal force if the spin will de-laminate the bullet causing deformation and even disintegration. I have no idea where this old wives tale of "overstablisation" came from but has nothing to do with science or even logic.

@lawrencemay8726 Жыл бұрын

Also , a company called Drake, they make a titanium Barrel for an AR I believe and I think it's chambered in 308 but I won't swear to that. Also there's another company that made a titanium Barrel that was line with the ceramic of some sort. But there's some people out there trying to apply titanium to Barrel design so there's some out there and as far as how successful they've been I can't really say but like anything given enough time it might very well become the next hot thing for everyone to run out and buy LOL

@dr.froghopper6711 Жыл бұрын

Brain burp? Cerebral flatulence! That’s my story and I’m sticking to it!

@woodsmn8047 Жыл бұрын

I have often wondered if a carbide insert in the chamber and throat area then machine the chamber with precision EDM would help give additional life to a barrel burning caliber ... any thoughts on this idea ...? I know that this would have been not possible until electro discharge machining made precision machining of tungsten carbide a thing but has the technology been used in firearms ... ?

@philsimon4906 Жыл бұрын

tungsten carbide insert- heat resistant and hardness for wear. Make it easily replaceable and with rifiling. All that would be required is head spacing, a go no-go gauge. Like a tikka barrel.

@toddhoad6909 Жыл бұрын

I have watched a lot of your videos, and you provide a lot of information and insight. I have learned a lot and just want to say thank you, and please keep them coming. I do have a couple of questions, how does the 17 Hornet compares with the 204 Ruger. I am very interested in getting into predator hunting and have heard many good things about both calibers, I have seen a few of your videos on the 204, but I haven't seen any on the 17. Have I just missed the videos on the 17 or haven't done any on this caliber yet? Also, I was wondering how I can get a copy of your book on predator hunting. Again, thank you for sharing your knowledge with all of us, and I look forward to watching more of your videos and podcasts.

@RonSpomerOutdoors Жыл бұрын

Todd, I have just one copy of the predator book left! Go to my website ronspomeroutdoors.com and in the comment section send me your contact info. I'll save the book until I hear from you. As for the 17 Hornet, I consider it appreciably less effective then the 204 Ruger on coyotes . Were I wanting to take predators with a 17, I'd run the 17 Fireball or, more likely, 17 Remington.

@jeffbetts4254 Жыл бұрын

I like the 30.06 because the wide reload charts. No I don't reload.

@whoshotashleybabbitt4924 Жыл бұрын

I don’t know why, but i love this comment.

@HobbitHomes263 Жыл бұрын

The old 220 Swift was notorius for roasting the throats out of a barrel pretty fast

@barneywaggles Жыл бұрын

200,000 is your reward!

@bobjohnson7207 Жыл бұрын

I'd bet money that Shaw barrels and rifles would twist ya one up in 270win. or any caliber. My 280 rem blew everyone away with a deadeye bullseye one shot winner takes all at 300 yards. The range was angry that day my friend with 20 stations doubled or tripled up. For a brief moment I was a sniper.

@PotatoeJoe69 Жыл бұрын

The benefits of titanium is weight. Titanium is 45% lighter than steel, while being just as strong. Titanium is also naturally corrosion resistant. You can really abuse titanium and it won't rust or corrode. So it's not a strength or durability component, but rather weight and corrosion resistance. Titanium is technically stronger in some ways, but it also has worse tensile strength than steel. It evens out to being basically the same strength as steel. A for instance being, if the barreled action of a typical bolt action weighs, let's say, 5lbs made of steel, that barreled action would weigh just 2.75lbs if made of titanium.

@lawrencemay8726 Жыл бұрын

What's the difference between a .338 Lapua? and a .338 Winchester? Are the interchangeable? I was looking into a .338 Lapua chambered, long range targets competition-hunting rifle. Ruger's RPC is available in .338 Lapua. I've heard good & bad about that bolt action Ruger Precession Rifle. I heard a few years ago its production at Ruger was moved from the Precession shop at Ruger over to the standard production area which means there's less QC and less hand tweaking of the key features of the rifle. If this Ruger has become a cheaply made rifle here in 2022, what rifle in thec1500$ to 2000$ dollar range? Thanks... love your Channel. Please answer these things on your next q&a

@wesleyturner1979 Жыл бұрын

Titanium shotgun barrels are a thing. Longngthorn out of England makes some beautiful guns.

@michaelholm6347 Жыл бұрын

Use the 30-30, a true classic

@64samsky Жыл бұрын

300 AAC Blackout!

@kevingary7018 Жыл бұрын

Perhaps the next great caliber will be the NATO 6.8 mm /277 Fury?

@edwardhoward4708 Жыл бұрын

Definitely something high pressure.

@KenaiDon Жыл бұрын

Ron I was under impression COAL would be too long with the longer high BC bullets in the old 270 so that's why they went with a new chamber, cartridge etc. For the 6.8 western?

@KenaiDon Жыл бұрын

In addition to twist rate.

@johnnyk5 Жыл бұрын

Couldn’t agree more on the straight-walls. Need something in .40/10mm, either based on the 6.8spc/lengthened 10mm or the 6.5 grendel family of cases. More than a 350 legend, less than a 450 bushmaster

@mgmitchell92 Жыл бұрын

I would love to see more straight walled cartridges as well. Now for the 350 legend; it compares similarly to the 30-30 for performance and that is an old standby for deer hunting. I think many have underestimated the 350 legend. But I would love even more options as you had said.

@stormiewutzke4190 Жыл бұрын

Titanium is expensive and hard to work with. I'm sure it's possible but your base material would cost several times more and it would be more expensive to machine. It also responds different to heat and heat treatment would be different and R&D would be needed to make it perform to it's best capability.

@lucasmunoz6951 Жыл бұрын

Doesn't titanium friction weld? I believe this is a consideration for titanium parts in cars. When you have two titanium surfaces rubbing against eachother, you run the risk of them welding together. I don't know if this has the same effect with titanium on other metals, but if it does that definitely would be a problem. Addition: I'd just spoken to a friend of mine who knows a thing or two about metallurgy and is a gunsmith; he tells me that flame cutting would be a serious concern, so goodbye barrel life.

@jeffreymacdonald4226 3 күн бұрын

The first company to increase the spin in barrels such as the 270, 243, 7-08 will make a pile of cash selling rifles, this is way over due

@ronaldpretzel7170 Жыл бұрын

I'v switched to Barns for my 06/270 .What's your experience ?

@calebroyer8178 Жыл бұрын

At 300,000 you need to shoot the plauqe with your Winchester 94 30-30. In honor of your first deer rifle you bought.

@RonSpomerOutdoors Жыл бұрын

Good idea, Caleb! Thanks. We'll see what others suggest, but right now I like this idea!

@DanielBoone337 Жыл бұрын

I know with titanium suppressors you experience erosion with just hot gasses passing through them at much higher rates then stainless steel suppressors. So if you was to make a titanium barrel where you get the hottest of hot gasses burning all the way down it and spinning up a bullet by its rifling at really high speeds you'd burn the barrel out in no time flat. They might not be able to handle the pressures either... That would be my guess as to why you don't see them...

@huntergray8180 Жыл бұрын

Titanium has a very low thermal conductivity and is twice as friction resistant as steel. Which is why it’s used for brake rotors on race cars and for plating on high speed aircrafts. I’m guessing the main reason why you don’t see it used in rifle barrel is the sheer cost of milling equipment needed to get started doing it. And the cost of the titanium itself. Be hard to sell when you buy a carbon fiber barrel where the cost isn’t totally outrageous

@mikehughesoutdoors2774 Жыл бұрын

Hey Ron, I have a pre-war M-70 Super Grade chambered in "30-GOV-06". The barrel is in rough shape and the accuracy isn't up to par. Would it be foolish to consider having a new barrel put on it or should I just consider buying a new rifle?

@BornAgain2019 Жыл бұрын

You could send it to Jess and have it rebored to a larger diameter. I would suggest 35 Whelen. Awesome caliber and you can find factory ammo.

@garybichsel3305 4 ай бұрын

Just to let you know, there was one case of chronic wasting disease in a cow elk south Central Montana 2023

@tommyj7087 Жыл бұрын

dB "growth" is exponential. 🙂

@markr5132 Жыл бұрын

"Stainless steel's typical elasticity is ~200 GPa versus titanium's ~115 GPa. Titanium's low elasticity makes it difficult to machine relative to stainless steel." In other words it is stretchy and flexy. If you take a hack saw to a high end bicycle Ti quick release rod/about 4mm or so. By the time you hack saw it it will have flexed around the blade so you have to saw about 120% of the width of the rod, as it has heated up and moved away from the saw. when machineing TI 3/25 or 6/4 it take much more machine time and dulls the machine tool much more, adding much more cost to the aldready expensive material cost for the project. Also for accuracy, you want max rigidity per weight of barrel which ti although costing much more that Chrome Alloy, Stainless steel would require a much thicker Ti barrel to achieve the same rigidity-adding even more cost+questionable ascetics depending on the firearm to be marketed.

@shanejarratt9800 Жыл бұрын

My question 270 related is, why did winchester/Browning design a new cartridge in the 6.8 western, then not make enough rifles to keep up with demand? Particularly winchester. I don't care to try out a cartridge by buying a rifle upwards of 1k to find I don't care for it. The xpr line has 3 really nice looking rifles that are seriously hard to find online let alone in stores. Highly frustrating.

@shootingatshadow Жыл бұрын

Another risk If they fast twist a 270win, they would have to make a high BC factory load for the 270win. Then someone will load that into a standard twist 270win and it won't shoot well. Those people will be calling customer service and sending their rifles back increasing post production costs of the product.