A look at the RUTUS VERSA over my separation blocks.
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@Robert-fs1pb4 ай бұрын
Nice to have a new detector to compete with.
@IffySignals4 ай бұрын
Thx Robert
@leonardjackman3546 ай бұрын
I have just subscribed to your channel. Thank you for testing this Rutus versa. I purchased one a while ago and havent used it much as I couldn’t see any English language videos showing different testing. That’s when I messaged Calabash to see if he could get hold of one to test with no bias. I can clearly see there is a problem now. I do think Rutus should address these issues and apologise to Calabash.
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
Thanks Leonard!
@lanenebraska33226 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video Iffy ! 👍
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
Welcome Lane 👍
@PAPAROUSwhatsinthedirt6 ай бұрын
Makes you wonder if they really tested it before releasing it.
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
Good question Bill.
@KernowekTim6 ай бұрын
Same with the UK "testers" for Nokta. I shake my head in disbelief at them. They are ridiculous charlatans.. Xp wouldn't give any of them the time of day ( I am not an XP user). Two fully qualified, long-time-served testers collaborating with each other is plenty.
@joeoutdoors22996 ай бұрын
Thanks for the test Iffy, looking forward to hearing how Rutus reply. As someone who has spent their hard earned on this machine I hope we get some feedback from them promptly. From my understanding the 2.44 update took around a year to develop and one of it's main features being the way it handled iron. I don't see another update coming anytime soon. Would be good to see a manual ground balance and snug cable if you get the chance to do more.
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
Welcome Joe, thanks for your test & hope you are feeling better!
@joeoutdoors22996 ай бұрын
@@IffySignals I've just redone my test quickly with the modern nails switched down the barrel as suggested, snug cable and ground balanced with -10 discrimination, park mode 2 tones. Exactly the same results as you, it's hitting the coin with the nails 3/4" elevation but above that it loses it. I then switched to single frequency 38+KHZ very low EMI it still doesn't hit the coin. I then one setting at a time performed the following : maxed out sensitivity, maxed out coin boost, still wont hit it. Vanquish 540 on same test performs about equal, loses the coin with the nail above a 3/4" elevation. Also with the coin on the flat among 4 nails it wont hit it. I didn't film today as weathers rank and so am I but wanted to see if results were consistent with yours. It's definitely not your machine. Watching with interest, I can maybe add a video in the next day or two but think honestly you have it covered. Thanks Joe
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
Thanks for the testing Joe! Good to know it is not the machine and your results are the same.
@cainvanderheide20316 ай бұрын
I'm a Rutus versa owner after watching video's i reached out to Rutus asking for 1.7.1 program avalable on the website. i got kicked out the Rutus versa FB page. its not an offical Rutus page. Its owned by a few Rutus associates who can't take the truth. I've had a lovely conversation with the Rutus team today. I can't fault the service from there engineer . team. Rutus have taken my information and will be working hard to fix the issue. I've found a few nice coins with the 1.7.1 program including a 1689 Gold William 3rd Guinea. "Happy Day's" I'll continue using the 1.7.1 program Thanks for your testing its been intresting and very helpful. The Versa is great machine using the 1.7.1 program give the 1.7.1 program a test. Cheers and Beers Wishing my Friends across the pond a fantastic 2024 .
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
Hey Cain, you are not the first that i have read that has been kicked off or been put in time out for having issues with the Versa. Thats pretty crazy. RUTUS should have there own page. Every manufacturer has there own page and then owners/users have pages as well. Thx for the info and appreciate the feedback. Hope they come up with an update soon even though some say its not needed.
@calabashphotography12346 ай бұрын
I saw they were giving you a hard time on that Facebook group//
@cainvanderheide20316 ай бұрын
@@calabashphotography1234 Thanks Calabash. Keep up your amazing work it’s awesome what you do for the hobby.
@MaxSignal-796 ай бұрын
Hey man i would like to download the old software versione can you upload it somewhere and share the page please?
@ShaneTL45826 ай бұрын
Think it’s safe to say you can put this one away.
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
Going to run it through with the small coil tomorrow. Hopefully it does better.
@stevewaters29746 ай бұрын
It would make a great backup detector for a Panicky....
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
Haha! I don’t know how many people will know what you mean but i have seen the Panicky Amazon detectors.
@TylerCohen-o6e6 ай бұрын
OUCH!!!! LOL
@yamahamusicians6 ай бұрын
Either there is something wrong with that particular machine or it is just not performing in accordance with it's price point. I am guessing the latter but lets see how the smaller coil does. Although really it should not need a smaller coil to pass those tests.
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
I agree. I have tried watching some other videos (pre update) and watching the screen but they are tough and not in English. I am also not sure if the update Rutus put out is the issue and it was performing better before. I will run through the small coil and same adjustments as well as reaction speed tomorrow. Reaction speed did not help at all with the stock coil. It should have.
@jimmymalone34946 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing This with us.
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
No problem Jimmy 👍
@davidbecker46746 ай бұрын
I will post a test this weekend this is amazing on the beach. I’m not as good as Iffy but will give it a shot. Great content I will also use a vanquish 540 which is also an amazing beach detector. I am in Fort Myers FL.
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
Thanks Dave!
@calabashphotography12346 ай бұрын
David I watched both of your videos....That machine sounded like crickets chirping on the Beach...Bad way to try and start a channel man!
@davidbecker46746 ай бұрын
@@calabashphotography1234 I’m not even in your guys league my guy. It is a trashy beach from hurricane 🌀 IAN Sanibel Island. They have it cleaned up for the most part but a long ways to go. I was trying to demonstrate that it isolates tones similar to the equinox well even in trashy areas such as the beach I was at. Thanks for watching it means a lot. We all have our takes and I appreciate what you guys do and are about. We will see how it does in further testing this weekend on the beach.
@calabashphotography12346 ай бұрын
Sounded like salt minerals to me but hey what Do I know...Here is a piece of advice sell that and start your channel with the WS6 Master you have..@@davidbecker4674
@ohiofredl6 ай бұрын
Thanks for vid and time Hall of Shame for Rutus Versa.
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
Welcome Fred 👍
@lanenebraska33226 ай бұрын
Just for the sake of completeness. Try it with multi in every mode…including Single frequencies in every mode. Just to give the Versa every chance to succeed. Thanks Iffy.
@TylerCohen-o6e6 ай бұрын
It's one thing to make some settings changes to get it to succeed, and that has been done. It's a whole other thing when you have to click your heels and cross your fingers :)
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
I tired field as well was worse.. Have not messed with Single frequency. Being a high end Multi Frequency machine it should fly through these test (at least my level 3 blocks) in multi. The Legend, Nox, Manticore, Score, Double Score, Deus 2 all Multi and can pass level 3 just by turning them on and no adjustments.
@Tesorosaprofunidad6 ай бұрын
@@IffySignals The machine is ment for another terrain Hope to see in more mineralized ground Performance
@lanenebraska33226 ай бұрын
The Xterrapro kicked its butt for CD’s testing. Of course I agree with you Iffy. Was just suggesting that you wring it out completely while you have it in your possession 🙂👍
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
@@lanenebraska3322 thx Lane 👍
@TylerCohen-o6e6 ай бұрын
The Score doesn't even have an iron filter control, and yet it's unmasking very well. Something is just not right with that Versa.
@TylerCohen-o6e6 ай бұрын
Meh, I don't think it matters anyway, because there are better detectors that cost less (some much less) than the Versa.@@IffySignals
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
@@TylerCohen-o6e seems to having a following, just not here in the States. Not sure how popular it is though.
@calabashphotography12346 ай бұрын
This Versa acts just like Joes! The guy across the pond who did the unmasking video for me.
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
@@calabashphotography1234 yes it does.
@mmb21996 ай бұрын
@ Iffy thank you for this test👌👌,I'll give the Rutus the benefit of the doubt so far, it's ultimately about how it performs in the ground and not on a piece of concrete, the only way to do an honest review is to test it against the Legend or the Manticore and see if it takes the same objects so you take away all doubts. Personally, I think it's dangerous to judge a detector for masking on a piece of concrete, give him a far chance!!
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
Thx for the feedback MM. if its not going to separate above ground its not going to be any better when you add more to mask the target like soil, minerals, iron bits, coal, trash.. this is best case.
@porsche11786 ай бұрын
Ouch. I feel like some cheap Chinese Amazon detectors would do better.
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
I have seen them do better. My level 1 & 2 blocks were made for those lower end machines.
@PAPAROUSwhatsinthedirt6 ай бұрын
That is sad when a harbor freight 9 function can beat out a 700 dollar detector.
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
Its pretty bad Bill. Maybe Rutus will have an update for there loyal users. This is a best case. If its having an issue unmasking above ground, it only gets worse when you add soil, minerals ect..
@terryedwards877113 күн бұрын
are the headphones proprietary or can I use my nox phones? Great videos!! I am working on getting one now.
@IffySignals13 күн бұрын
Thanks Terry, you can use your headphones if its for the 700/900. The Bluetooth Headphones for the 600/800 will not work. The new ones are the 85’s and 105’s.
@terryedwards877112 күн бұрын
@@IffySignals thank you for the info. the Versa looks like a great machine. will need to jump through hoops to get one in the US but I have a channel that just might work.
@MrArp5056 ай бұрын
For the price nothing beats a nokta.
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
Definitely beat the Versa today.
@KernowekTim6 ай бұрын
A SS2 or a Compadre eats these tests. The SS" came out 40 years ago, for example. Lots of analogue machines beat most 21st C SMFs for ancient sites hunting, still: to this day; Fact.
@MrBottlecapBill6 ай бұрын
Ok unlike Calabash's videos where I thought I had seen high numbers poking through with an iron tone.........and I thought it was a tone break issue. I can see your screen far more clearly so I now know it's not. Now it's either going to be a software issue or a coil issue in my books. Also remember guys............these are hard tests. It doesn't mean you can't find anything with this machine. I have plenty of old machines that perform terribly on these tests and I found some of my best stuff with them before I bought my Legend. Not everything in the ground is masked in iron. It's really a minority of targets that are masked.
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
Might be software.. not coil, was hoping the small would be good on these tests but its not. Tried it tonight and will make a video tomorrow.
@MrBottlecapBill6 ай бұрын
@@IffySignals Bummer. Well it looks like they''ll have to hit the drawing board again for a while. I think they can pull it off. Everything else about the machine looks to be decent.
@KernowekTim6 ай бұрын
These are easy tests. Most 80's analogue machines will walk these disciplines. I know: I used enough of them. Hard tests are on Roman and Medieval habitation sites.
@travismitchell96376 ай бұрын
So I just saw Rutus response to Calabash. That's pretty disappointing on their part If I understand correctly they say "Ground Filter 5 " .. I think this means reactivity which is what you just demonstrated is best for small coins. However just to make sure on page 2 of the manual it says in High Trash areas you should run it at 8. (I would be very surpised if there is that much difference between 5 and 8 that is suddenly passes these tests with flying colors?) Also I'm not sure I follow there logic with the "simple rule in such tests" comment about discriminating up to the nail being cut out to accurately perform the test. Even if that works (which I would like to see you try with and without Iron Volume on that is a separate issue. Unmasking is not Separation - Those are two different things. We don't soley rely on detectors to unmasks targets for us any more. The processors, multi-freq, and coil-tech has surpassed the need to do this IMO. As demonstrated by a
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
Thanks for the info Travis. I tried 1-8 before hand thinking maybe I would get better results a little higher or lower and i didn’t. I will show that today though.
@JoeMisiek6 ай бұрын
"If I understand correctly they say "Ground Filter 5 "" - Yes, but I remember exacly - it was for Calabash video which is no longer available.
@lanenebraska33226 ай бұрын
How bout increasing reactivity from 5 to 8 ?
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
Hi, I tried 1-8 off camera. It did not help. I was really hoping 6-8 would help. I will show it tomorrow on video with the small coil test.
@midwesttreasureandrelicrec79146 ай бұрын
Reminds me of a ace 300
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
That an expensive Ace!
@czasposzukiwan6 ай бұрын
Pytanie z jakim softem testowano Verse NC2.44?
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
Yes, this is 2.44 was updated last week.
@czasposzukiwan6 ай бұрын
To dziwne bo test terenowy wychodzi bardzo dobrze kzfaq.info/get/bejne/et9prcujxsfLd6c.htmlsi=2K3XHFqxt9HPNraa
@zerxkydc5326 ай бұрын
Rutus oh Rutus what happened??? 😂 Only thing I like about this detector is the name ! The name cannot be beat !! 😅 .. Maybee it just lacks performance in Multi frequency??? Did you try in single frequency yet ? Either way a high performing Multi frequency machine is the main selling point for me.....
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
How were there other machines? This is the first RUTUS i have tested. Did not mess much with single other than 14 by accident. Was not good. Exactly on the Multi part. High end multi i want to know the results on multi.
@zerxkydc5326 ай бұрын
@@IffySignals Forsure !
@ohdannyboyjustadiggin6 ай бұрын
I know If I am to go with another metal detector I would want to break away from the Normal detectors Everyone seems to want to swing.. Thanks For these videos. I am not going to say I would buy it or I wont. It is just a thought..
@ohdannyboyjustadiggin6 ай бұрын
@@norseman1137 Thanks for the info.. Makes me Curios on deferent Detectors.
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
Thx for watching guys 👍
@wykrywaczemetali24156 ай бұрын
Hey, I'm your fan. Would you do a g2 test for me? I would like to know if it is better
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
Thanks! Sorry, I do not have a G2. If i get my hands on one ill run it through.
@petervandenbosch63536 ай бұрын
I know thart Rutus is not selling in the US but here in Europe they are . I'm metal detecting in Belgium and i know a lot of people in the hobby but non of them are using Rutus products. From what i'm hearing they had a good single frequency machine but this mult frequency machine is a lemon. It's going fast in the metal detector line up. Every 3-4 years manufactures bringing out new models who are better performing and are getting cheaper. One other lemon from Rutus can mean the end of this company if they don't step up. That would be a shame. More companies means more competition and better machines with better prices..
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
Thx for the info. This is the first Rutus that I have messed with.
@piotrgruszka48645 ай бұрын
Nie na klockach robi się testy tylko w gruncie.Tego typu testy nie mogą być wiarygone
@IffySignals5 ай бұрын
Thank you for your input. They may not be to some but are reliable enough to the owner of Rutus. Stay tuned. 😉
@travismitchell96376 ай бұрын
I'm really hoping this machine comes through. I really like the layout and the Rutus version of the X/Y screen. Regardless how how it performes even if it were on par with the D2 it's still pricey considering we have no U.S. Dealers. I hope it's just a software issue. Did you by chance try to run the test on a stable single freq? Just to rule out the Multi Selection. Also do you ever wonder how they don't test basic stuff like this before they release a machine? Rutus has such a good rep with the Alter 71 its hard to imagine they didnt.
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
Hey Travis, yes. When you do a master reset 14k is the preset so I tried first with completely stock settings. Was not good at all.
@KernowekTim6 ай бұрын
Thank you Mike. Going by this sequence of disciplines👎.
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
Welcome Tim 👍
@bryanolier67756 ай бұрын
Well Rutus just got smoked by the score ! Sorry i would pay 800 to 1000 , for that metal detector 😂😂😂
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
I hope for the RUTUS users there will be an update to help with this.
@FredFindersTreasures6 ай бұрын
😂 You cant fool us Americans!
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
😆
@KernowekTim6 ай бұрын
Trump did.
@Buttondigger6 ай бұрын
Take it to the real-world next time you go digging.
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
Thx Button digger
@lancemcilwainoutcastmetald53986 ай бұрын
The price should be dropped to $199 immediately !!!!
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
Or an update ASAP.
@czasposzukiwan6 ай бұрын
Rutus to bardzo mala firma, zrobią Ubdate tylko trzeba czasu, pozdrawiam z Polski 😉
@calabashphotography12346 ай бұрын
Tell Rutus to tell us that!@@czasposzukiwan
@adam69ify6 ай бұрын
This test it s not real...@@calabashphotography1234
@chrisrogers76186 ай бұрын
My above ground testing is not as extensive as yours and yes, the Legend does better in them. IN the ground the Versa is excellent. Like my Tarsacci, it looks at targets/ground in a somewhat different way than my other machines and finds additional good targets that were missed. I hope you get a chance to use the Versa on a beat iron trashed relic site. If it has higher mineralization even better to see how it stacks up. Thanks for the video.
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
Thanks for the info Chris.
@calabashphotography12346 ай бұрын
Total BS! Unmasking better in the ground...You guys are reaching ...Get over it! Only detector in the world that cant pass an above ground unmasking nail test..
@chrisrogers76186 ай бұрын
@@xp8952 The Dual modes are one of the main reasons for me getting the Versa. That, and Rutus’s reputation for mineral ground performance. I have not been disappointed and further enhancements are supposedly being worked on.
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
@chrisrogers7618 I have read they handle mineralized ground well. Luckily i do not have that here. Hope they improve the separation for you. 👍
@treasurefinder666 ай бұрын
So Chris you are saying that the versa fails the above ground nail test but would pass this same test easily in Culpeper dirt? Like bury the blocks under Virginia or Colorado dirt and it would pass easily?? WTF? If it cannot pass an air test above ground no soil included I don't believe for a second that it would pass in the ground at all. No question...
@Detect-Oregon6 ай бұрын
Pivot to France
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
😆
@richardwarnock27896 ай бұрын
Rebar in concrete bad way to test detector
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
No rebar Rich. Just a slab.
@omnitron6 ай бұрын
Ok if it couldn’t pass that iron elevated test it is also not possible to do it on ground. That is very simple for all metal detectors. Signal amplification by ground is possible but not target separation. Period.
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
Thats my taking as well. Thx.
@omnitron6 ай бұрын
@@IffySignals The tests are illustrative, but they provide information on the differences between the devices and only in difficult, specific conditions will it give an advantage.I showed the first software problems of the new Versa. I faced a wall of hate and hatred from the producer and his people. Then in the new update, all these things were included.
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
@@omnitron I understand how that goes.. allot of machines have been over these blocks for testing and if it needed adjustment on the level 4 or 5 blocks to hit them that would be understandable. Not seeing the Level 2 nickel with factory presets or even after making the recommendations is pretty bad.
@omnitron6 ай бұрын
@@IffySignals The topic has been known for years since the Alter71 and Atrex models. Low conductors have always been a problem in these devices.Nothing new here.
@calabashphotography12346 ай бұрын
I heard you did a video and got attacked! @@omnitron
@Susan_HunTer6 ай бұрын
700 euro for this metal omg
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
👍
@RobertWestWykopki6 ай бұрын
Watched halfway, will finish the rest after work - but few conclusions from Versa user: -for proper iron infested sites I wouldn’t consider multi- better choice will be frequency above 30, closer to 40 -dropping disc to -10 as per recommendation caused targets were shown (in minus range, but still). In this case, disc -5/-6 and one tone will sort the thing. Yes - you will dig more iron, but with chance of having good targets in that range, those few nails more wouldn’t make a difference. In reality, for trashy sites there is more about approach and settings than ID number. Had good results on iron infested areas even with Field Multi where tiny silver cut quarters popped up - and previous machines shown only iron on that end. The biggest advantage of Versa seems to becoming its curse - as with durability to set up for every scenario, there is still huge percentage of users choosing wrong settings (willingly or not) or playing blindly with settings - or best example, not even reading manual. Could you do a small favour for me and post coin data for this test? I’m not familiar with US coins
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
Hey Rob, i went down to two tone to separate the audio from just ferrous to non ferrous. Single tone for all targets including iron would be a nightmare for relic hunter. I am using a Silver merc dime, silver barber dime, buffalo nickel, V nickel. Thx for the info. I will try field Multi as well 👍
@RobertWestWykopki6 ай бұрын
@@IffySignals the purpose of 1 tone is only to be able to move divider between ferrous/non ferrous from 0 to whichever you will determine with discrimination. That was my point when saying about approach - in iron infested sites good targets may not give you perfect signal and anything above nails should be dug up. With knowing how ID scale works and what you can do to shift it- you can adjust machine to whichever site you are on. Now in new software the bigger difference is in types of multi -W/FL/FH- and first try should be FL as according to manual it has best unmasking. I see you joined recently to our UK group - see me there and give a shout if you want to discuss any settings or technical stuff 👍
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
@RobertWestWykopki you are talking about moving the actual tone break to right above the nails to help. I got ya. Yes you will definitely dig allot more iron that way. With this machine the iron is negative numbers so moving the tone break to above nails would still be negative numbers for non ferrous targets. That can be done on most other high end machines as well but the actual amount of iron that dig would drive me nuts. Thats a big adjustment to make for something as easy as this test.
@RobertWestWykopki6 ай бұрын
@@IffySignals correct. This came from using VLF machines where non ferrous can fall just below discrimination. In Versa combination of lowering the disc point on 1 tone and adjusting the iron filter to remove unwanted ferrous from this range can work out - and most of ferrous stuff will come far below so there shouldn’t be tremendous number of unwanted targets
@calabashphotography12346 ай бұрын
click your heels, twist your nose, rub your tummy, whistle, look East , blow your nose , all at the same time and it might just start working for you IFFY!@@RobertWestWykopki
@Yakena16 ай бұрын
My retired F75 does a better job detecting. D1 is better that this $700 detector. I don't believe this RUTUS company will be around long with so many other performing options.
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
Think it needs an update Asap.
@KernowekTim6 ай бұрын
And mine. My F19 walks these disciplines. In fact all of my 80s, up to and including my 2005 UK spec Tejon analogues do.
@calabashphotography12346 ай бұрын
Exactly Tim ! I think some are still in shock!@@KernowekTim
@shannondalton22706 ай бұрын
I am pretty sure this would be a machine that gets people out of the detecting hobby!! 😢
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
I was surprised. Shannon. Helpfully its something they can improve on with an update for the Versa users.
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
Yes, played with all settings today. Just focused on anything that would help with separation and nothing I tried or that Rutus recommended helped. Even tried Disc at -29 to fully open it up.
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
@@norseman1137 i can tell you really like this Versa and I wish there were videos out there that showed similar tests. I ruled out a bad coil by testing the small and it performed the same.. overall it can separate and hit targets at depth so i do not think its a bad machine. I think there is an unmasking issue overall or maybe just with this recent update.
Thank you i watched. These targets are very far away from each other and not under the coil at the same time. Not the same test.
@lancepeterson54086 ай бұрын
That thing is a piece of junk. Witchcraft😂
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
Maybe an update will be coming. 👍
@fabiobonavera35946 ай бұрын
E arrivato in USA con una microspia RUSSA ecco perche non funziona ora la CIA lo ha sabotato 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
I knew it! 😆
@HistoryRevisiteduk6 ай бұрын
NOT looking good for the Versa, did you have a play with recovery 🧑🦯
@IffySignals6 ай бұрын
Yes, all levels. Not any better. Will show that tomorrow with the small coil. I was hoping the small coil would do good but tried it tonight and it doesn’t either.