It would have been awesome to have sabine's videos when I was a kid, I used to read the same astronomy book over and over, it was my only sceintific knowledge source.

I’m 33, with a BS biology & PharmD. Also watched every video and learn something new each time. Danke schön Dr. Hossenfelder

You are doing right by yourself and your peers on earth to be learning so much! 34 y/o stranger very proud and impressed by your statement.

Your vocabulary is really good for a 10 year old.

dude, Moon is flat!

@Flat Eric Because that's how knowledge works.

@Flat Eric OK...I missed that!

Yes even if the answers are assumptions, non-scientific, misrepresentation

@@handtech3423 Of course not. That's what you have a brain for, to sift through the rubbish and come to a conclusion.

What conclusion did you come too. A pressurized ball next to a vacuum spinning and we came from monkeys.

They do anything for a bit of attention don't they!

My cat tries to act seductive to get attention but now it just hides in the cupboard since my father pushed his powerful stem right in its little brown button

And somebody else said: Risus abundat in ores stultorum.

@@cabbagefart7432 To which I reply. respondeat superior. And since you are not one. You should learn to listen​ meus puer discipulus. I'll take it, you have no explanation or understanding of the standard model. IT is always a bore to see claims made that never have any scientific bases. Be advised young one I have no such shortcomings. What would you like to learn?

it's flat all right the horizon is at least 5 times further out than it should be . the horizon test is the test for flat earth and the globe fails badly every time . the horizon does not move from its position , which is at least 20 miles away , to where it should be which is 3 and a half miles if you're 8 feet above the ocean . no curvature to the ocean - flat

Albert Einstein said that human stupidity is infinite. When you consider him living during the time of 2 world wars, his comment is understandable.

it's just a show, she is deceiving you

Another example is Susan Blackmore, who writes critically but sympathetically about those who've had anomalous experiences that they interpret in nonscientific ways.

in regards to theory of relativity, albert einstein also claimed that gravity is a "Scheinkraft" (which is german for "it appears to be a force of its own when it's not") so why do you quote these people if you have no idea about them or physics... that's exactly the stupidity Einstein was referring to. @@bobs182

But, flat earthers ARE stupid... 😆

The problem is that even being nice to flatters doesn't matter - they just "fake", "CGI" and "perspective" whenever they are at a loss for words. It's been my experience that flatters here just like being anti-, i think it finally gives them a sense of "smartness".

Thanks, Rachie. Having been active in this debate for over 10 years, I know that all too many debunkers have become so emotionally invested in their mantra of "FEs are irremediably inferior to us 'smart people' and will never reach a level where they can be reasoned with", that they (such debunkers) would prefer not to be told of ex-FEs like yourself. But for the benefit of debunkers who want to be more effective, could you give us a few example of people and resources who were most helpful to you?

@@JimSmithInChiapas : How about flat earthers at least attempt to do research into their claims about their own model? That is, without just making stuff up or complaining about why should be expected to prove anything.

@@kitcanyon658 I can't control what FEs do, so I'm asking what *_we_* can do. Starting with listening to ex-FEs like Rachie.

​@@kitcanyon658No...the flat earthers are biased lot.They are very dangerous people because they just assumed on what they see only...seeing in believing is their motto.

@@tribouletr kzfaq.info/get/bejne/l6hihbeDyZqapac.html I tried it myself, and sure enough - hilarious 😅 Unfortunately, Google have since de-ranked their preferred top result. Still pretty funny.

yea its an interesting dichotomy. To a layman like me I often find scientific topics over my head to fuel my sense of wonder and curiosity, whereas other's view the same with skepticism or even fall back on supernatural explanations which - to me - seem even more implausible..

The hard part is scientists would have to take into account the varying degree of intelligence of the audience and perhaps more frustrating, their degree of accepting evidence disproving their personal thoughts or feelings. For flat earthers, a lot of them just don’t want to believe anything coming from any government agency or religious entity.

@@fredman1085 I agree, that's the challenge, a challenge which could have been lessened or avoided if the education systems were improved. Obviously there is many factors involved in why so many people today seem to doubt many established truths despite not being able to understand the evidence.

The Earth has NO curvature. CONVEX EARTH THE DOCUMENTARY CONVEX EARTH TECHNICAL DATA (Convex Earth - youtube chanel)

totally agree! The first couple videos i thought she was dry and humorless; didn't like the videos much. Then it struck me, she's actually quite the comedian, just *incredibly* dry and wry. I love it.

Hillary Clinton would be proud.

@@jeremybasil241 DA LIBERALS ARE BAAD !!!!!11111!!!!! FOX NEWS SAID SO!!!!111111

@@orionSpacecraft the Aliens are comming 😆😆

10:55 The “it is not” caught me off guard it was so funny

stereóma: a solid body, a support, strength, firmness. or firmament over the FLAT earth

@@007ullrich Why do you put it in capital letters? Do you think someone will miss that word when reading the sentence, or are you just yelling the word "FLAT!!!"?

Post any Earth Curvature either by Land or Sea.FE'ers are spot on.Water doesn't cling to a 1000 mph spinning ball.

@ronpapi9539 imagine a tiny toy car. Its wheels would need to complete a ridiculous number of rotations to get thousands of miles per hour. Now blow that up to a wheel the size of earth. It competes only 1/24th of a rotation by the time that little wheel on the toy car completes hundreds of thousands of rotations. It's not a ball that's spinning at ridiculous rates. It's a slow rate of rotation, just on an extremely large scale. Besides that, just the idea that we're on a floating disc is silly. If it's all free falling, or accelerating upwards, or however you'd like to think of it-- how would you account for everything in the heavens to be moving around both in their orbits that we see, but also somehow staying along with our trajectory? What I mean is, why would there be stars or planets or anything? Why wouldn't it all have fallen out of view by now? Did something just smack everything simultaneously with a paddle, then give every heavenly body a different spin and arbitrarily assigned orbits? And why would all the different bodies maintain the same constant velocity? How would rockets or planes even work? How would we have air? It's all just a little silly. If flat earth requires empirical evidence, then the only world that could be believed in would be the bits that my person has personally seen. I would have to believe that you don't really exist, because I'd never met you, the place you live couldn't possibly be real, etc. etc. Just-- Mercury, or even Venus-- that's one you can actually see with your eyes-- how, without evoking gravity-- does it orbit the sun, but also the sun is just moving around above a disc-- but also everything is moving relative to a disc at a constant velocity-- it just doesn't make sense at all. I have never seen anything behave like that ever... Like... Last example... I can soak a basketball, bounce it to you with a spin on it, and you'd catch a wet basketball. If I threw a flat disc at you, and somehow made it fly perfectly oriented vertically in your direction-- the water would fall off almost completely. Think of a windshield in the rain. The rain doesn't just puddle up and stay there. It slips off the windshield. It just seems like a bigger task to try and figure out how to make the flat earth model fit with reality than it does to fit the current scientific model. The science works, it's observable, the maths aren't just this Charlie Day conspiracy theorists evidence board that only make sense to a special group of people-- they are things that any person can actually put to the test on their own and can be applied to all sorts of things in the physical world. All of the products of modern technology are the result of the same physics that we used to prove the earth is a spheroid.

@@tykinn imagine accents in new yoke...i do. still flat , never will be otherwise, but wise I will remain , here's the truth in front of you and yet you deny. There rapidly comes a point where you save whom you can , and allow the storm to take the remaining. Galatians 5:1 “Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.” Being targeted is an honor, it tells me I'm over the target and striking darts and arrows.

Of course you probably include participation in relevant experiments as part of your teaching. Regarding the Earth's shape, a good one is the worldwide Eratosthenes project, in which schools participate each year on the equinoxes.

You can only teach someone who wishes to learn. Flat Earthers need to believe you're a 'sheep' and they're the actually smart people.

An apt allusion.

Look, look, water on the desert! What do you mean by 'mirage' - I SEE water!

Lmfao, exactly.

"There is no spoon"😌

No it actually just bends 🤷😏😝

Lol

Well said

There is no business like flat earth business.😂✌️

Good for them.

Flat earthers don’t sell the shirts, someone just saw a way to make easy money

You're confusing Perspective watching Ships disappear. It's just mans limited vision over distances.The Water is always level and the Sun doesn't rise or Set.The Sun is always level when it comes into view.It travels parallel to the Flat Earth until it is no longer visible to the human eye.Globeheads call that Sunset.Wrong!

​@@ronpapi9539Just shut up.

Yes, we all thought exactly like you at one point.

Take a high-zoom camera and what do you know... that ship that appeared to have gone over a curve can be zoomed right back into plain view. Tried, tested and demonstrated many times over and is an indisputable fact.

@@alexc-man7711 Nope. It does not. And it is not.

This is why i like her videos, it's not what you think!

Wish I could like this twice.

Surely after all this time we must have reliable photo images of earth from far out it space. If not, then I suppose flat earthers have a good case that there is a conspiracy going on.😮

@@doranmcferran9663 The science of Earth is called Geodesy, Earth has been measured and is not flat. Any alternative idea about Earth must: 1) provide argument and evidence what Geodesy does wrong 2) provide better models than Geodesy/Astronomy models which is very hard since the current scientific models are very good at explaining all related natural phenomena

When and how can the earth (it's really big) be measured?

I am an aerospace engineer and private pilot supporting the fact the earth is flat and stationary. Education is indoctrination. Big bang, evolution, relativity, gravity theories are all lies designed to sell the fake spinning, moving globe to the masses. Hollywood is a great keyboard on which the government can play. It is also a mighty wand from which spells are broadcast. ‘Govern mental’ literally means ‘mind control.’ Universities kill diversity. Attitudes, behaviors, thoughts, mannerisms, memes are mass controlled through the broadcast. Simultaneous levels and layers of programming are being broadcast into the population telling them who to worship, inverting right and wrong, true and false, displacing reality to replace it with a virtual and alternate reality as far as the mind of the population can be manipulated, which is very far. People are extremely malleable. Children are even more impressionable. Einstein meant it when he said that imagination is more important than knowledge. He wanted for us to stay asleep in the imaginary, inverted world that they created for us; some call it the matrix, others call it the zeitgeist, this erroneous perception of our world and universe. Yet this perception is part of the collective consciousness that was put together through the broadcasting of spells. As long as whatever inhabits the mind of the population is imaginary and detached from reality then the controllers have nothing to fear as far their control system goes. From birth, the population is tuned in to the wavelengths the authors of the system (i.e. the authorities) broadcast from their Hollywood wands. As the RHCP once said, space may be the final frontier but it's made in Hollywood basement. Only by awareness of this manipulation can you resist the big inversion. They live, while we sleep. Food for thought. Bon apathy.

☝️An aerospace engineer that denies the physics one needs to have knowledge of in order to be a successful aerospace engineer. You cannot make this stuff up. 🤣

i'm 60yo but still curios

@@marindancirco6498 I'm 72 now, and the only thing I'm curious about here is how some people can still maintain that they believe that the Earth is flat. It defies logic. They're either liars, deluded, or mentally deranged.

@@napoleonbonapathy6943 Your world view is dark and sinister. Keep it to yourself.

I am simply a bot to make your existence more real. I am honored as a bot to meet the actual real individual! Now to pretend to do stuff to make your existence feel more real

This is probably the best example I've seen of this philosophy taken to its obvious conclusions.

@@sacr3 hello fellow bot. I agree we should make our founder of reality feel comfortable with us. So we need to act like similar to him

@@DarkyBoy hello other fellow bot, my shrinking device is not working, May I request an update as my communication to the hive mind is also broken.

@@someotherworldlybeing3167 request accepted meetup at the base in at 10 lunar time

The answer I've heard a couple of times: it's a lie perpetuated by godless elites, the UN, diabolic freemasons and/or Zionists to make us disbelieve in the christian god's design. The obvious next question is again, why? Best not to ask, you'll end up in a brain rotting rabbit hole which permanently harms your faith in humankind.

look behind the mask !

Very well said!

@@JohnWatsonFlatEarth It is you, it is I

Absolutely agree 👍

If only the respect was reciprocated.

You know that laughing at idiots is a time honoured tradition?

@@dirkardostevergreen4827 Be that as it may, I was thanking Sabine for making the effort to educate rather than mock.

Many you say? Shirley you jest!

Woah Max, didn't expect to see you! Patreon subscriber here :D

I believe all the FE/Globe stuff all started with genuine people seeking truth and rebutting flawed logic. But FE died a few years ago. Now all that is left are people making money on FE, people making money making fun of FE, and poor misguided souls who get caught up one way or the other in the money making machine. The biggest names on both sides spend a lot of time rebutting each other in an attempt to dive viewers to each others channels. They often guest star on each others channels to 'debate'. Its just a pointless exercise that will continue as long as there is money to be made. FE stars of today cannot admit they were wrong because its their job.

Unfortunately, it will do absolutely nothing to some Flat Earthers who aren't looking for reason. Anything against their philosophy is fake news regardless of how much sense it makes.

Would be interesting if she would address climategate. She'd lose half her viewers and her job, though.

@@psychohist I'd say her thoughts on the topic were sufficiently expressed here though: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Y8ybdtKQ2djGhGw.html Also, I'd say you're overstating the importance of the topic. The thing in question pretty much mostly concerns people who are trying to prove a point by any means necessary (a.k.a. conspiracy theorists) and some people who are genuinely interested in the topic but don't understand the subject material enough to be able to decipher it. The latter are probably the majority of the people, but I'd say the vast majority of them has no strong feelings on the topic so I really would not expect many unsubscribes either way, but at the same time, she is a German scientist, working for a German private-public institute called Frankfurt Institute for Advanced Studies. They do not deal with climate science so I highly doubt they would even care about her videos at all, let alone would they believe it somehow impacts on her work which is in a totally different area in the first place.

@@manofculture8666 so what? who cares?

@@shellderp When we live in a world where kids believe the Earth is flat, we'll care lol. Their community is growing.

Stupid is a too much broad term. It's more a trust issue. Mixed with narcissim and a little paranoia.

@Vinnie P Imagine you have trust issues so big that you literally don't believe anything and anybody except what you see with your own eyes. Imagine how that can affect your beliefs. The problem with flat earthers (and in common with other conspiracy theorists) is not that they believe in a flat Earth, the real problem is that they honestly believe that billions of people are trying to fool them.

@Vinnie P And the giant-wall-of-ice theory is "stupid" because why? Is the giant-wall-of-ice theory really an inherent part of every flat-earth theory? I am aware of two such theories (thus they are contradictory, of course). I don't see why an ice wall would be necessary "so we can't fall off"

I'm fine for flat-earthers or any human beings being stupid because they can learn someday. But being delusional or constantly paranoid, you need medical attention.

@NexusGen Inc. I agree, but i think that condition is closer to narcissism than to megalomania. Narcissists only know two subjects: themselves and the world. They have a tough time imagining how other people interact without him. For them, two people conspiring and two million people conspiring is all the same. Of course, it's much possible to be a narcissist AND a megalomaniacal.

Nice assessment

if it is they would of proofed it by now!!

@@thethinkingman- I can’t tell if you’re joking with that spelling or not

I'll definitely use that in some arguing sometime someday. Sounds so polite...

@@Zenit321 exactly. people dont realise there is 2 sides to the coin so the jury is still out.

@@MrDgf97 they commented again. I dont think they were joking.

Absolutely. One thing I've started understanding as I went through college is how almost everyone could help me my freshmen year, and now my teachers struggle to help with some of their own assignments. Another thing has been the realization that there are people a lot smarter than me, but due to our different fields, I know a lot more about my own field than they would ever care to know...but they still think they can do it better than me than I can. I have no doubts that they could if they put the same time I did, but they invested their time somewhere else, and there just isn't enough time in a single lifetime for anyone to be good at everything. It's okay to be good at one thing, just as long as you have others to trust to be good at their thing

Amen

Absolutely true. When it comes to simple things like the Earth being round, that's easy to verify. Launch a drone, send it way up. It becomes more difficult when there's a global pandemic and a small group of people tell you to put something in your blood that they won't tell you what it is. Distrust arises. =\

Google and KZfaq are one sided on FE Videos.Only Debunkers of FE are allowed on their pages.Monopolize your brain with Scientific Speculation designed for low IQ's.

@@JoshuaMartinez-ml5hl Donald Trump...exception to your rule.

It's great that you observed the Venus transit. For the 2012 transit, I invited my neighbors to view it through my telescope (which is equipped w/ a solar filter).

I like it!

- Too bad the video is old and Sabine won't see this. Really funny, dude 😄

What about Schrödinger’s cat food?

@@oldmusician5236 Ah, yes! The canned food that cats both like and dislike.

@@KeepingOnTheWatch Yes. I stole your idea, but refined it so that it relates to cats. You get the real credit.

NO edges on our Flat Realm.Its infinitely Flat.

maybe they were globers acting flat

Good

Have you seen the GoFast rocket launch? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ZpZhfLuf1ZbTl5c.html. It goes 73 miles up and suddenly and at the same time you here a THUD it goes from spinning fast to slow. As it spins, slow it down and you will see the moon which looks TINY from that distance. Ask yourself, why/how could the moon look so tiny from 73 miles up. You can see in the video the launch is around mid day. They published the date of the launch. So the look up where the moon was at that day and apx. time..... OVER INDONESIA! Sorry, that is CHECKMATE! NOT ONLY is it impossible to see the moon over Indonesia from 73 miles over NV on a ball earth on that documented day/time but it ALSO explains why the moon is SO SMALL and far away! --- AND there is NO OTHER EXPLANATION for the moon looking so small (and far away!) If the earth is an 8k dia. ball, Indonesia is directly on the opposite side of the ball from NV..... sorry chump.

Did they then change their minds ? Or did they just come up with some post hoc reason why their experiment didn't _really_ provide evidence for a globe Earth ? Because that's the difference between _actual_ rational skepticism and merely propagating pseudo-scientific conspiracy theories - the former follows the evidence.

Lol 🤣 groups here in the US have done the same. Check out the documentary Behind the Curve, they disprove their theory several times then refute the results. Cheers!

Ha :)

It won't be your own senses but the detectors data. Nobody ever seen atoms, least subatomics particules. In fact nobody ever seen anything except photons scatered by objects colliding with retina cells. Wait we don't see photons but our brain only construct an internal model of objects from retina excitation from photons colliding with retina cells. And so on ...

@@GonogoBonobo and that model is accurate and enough. definitely don't need ugly xray or gamma or radiowave senses...and those excitations count as seeing with our senses...

@@oakpope , This is my point, what does it means "to see" or any other sense. We never know the reality, but only know the experience of it. What we can reality is in fact only a construct of the mind.

correction: What we call reality is in fact only a construct of the mind.

Except that it's guarded by thousands of UN (?) ships preventing anyone from seeing the ice wall. Although how flat heads know that there is an ice wall when no-one has see it or visited Antarctica is a bit disingenuous.

The secret world organization are wasting BILLIONS, time and effort to prevent them from reveal something that no reason to be concealed because in no way it will change the world power game.

@Chris Mathis: ... well... except if Earth is an infinite disc. And no... there's no limit for stupidity.

@@richardgomes5420 If the earth were an infinite disc (in all directions) then the moon would not be able to revolve around it.

@@chrismathis4162 Flat Earthers don't see any problem. And no... there's no limit for stupidity.

no electrical engineer that isn't suffering significant mental problems could ever fall for flattardia. flat earth arguments are something that no intelligent, educated person could ever fall for.

​@@johnqpublic7608 But see, that's exactly the conclusion that is easy to jump to that Sabine was cautioning against. And I would have been right there with you...until my friend 'came out' to me on the topic. I promise you, he IS a smart guy, and if you met him, I promise you would agree. He's worked on some pretty interesting contracts and projects too over the years. I'm not denying that SOME flat earthers are just in it because they're dim, or others because they think it supports their religious views...but those aren't this guy. I think it's an example that just because someone is smart, doesn't mean they aren't vulnerable to the biases and emotionally driven responses that can cloud everyone's thinking. Being smart doesn't mean you always reach the correct conclusions, and not everyone who reaches correct conclusions is smart.

@@brianmulholland2467 No, he's not a smart guy. He's broken inside, severely.

​@@brianmulholland2467 I'm in a similar boat as your friend in regards to Hollow Earth Theory, but for me it's more a thought experiment than a belief. I have similar feelings about other 'alternate explanation' theories. For example, I don't actually believe Noah's Ark or the Garden of Eden are anything more than religious fairy tales, but I still entertain thoughts about the 'Mars Eden' and 'Noah's Ark Spaceship' theories. Some other theories I like thinking about are the idea that dragons depicted in medieval art might have been some smaller dinosaurs that could have survived the meteor that killed them off only to be hunted to extinction by knights in the name of glory (there are historical records that talk about dragons as if they were real- sometimes going as far as to discuss their anatomy-and some depictions are no bigger than large dogs) and the idea that there might have been other inteligent species that evolved alongside humans only to be hunted down because they were different (because of how the 'uncanny valley' makes some people feel uneasy, and because I think it sounds like something humans would do). If you held a gun to my head and asked if I could provide concrete evidence for any of these things, I would say of course not- they're just fun to think about sometimes.

Fire dragons were recent inspirations by Medieval Jews, Christians, and Muslims view on hell creatures. Dragon of ancient folk tales in Africa, Eastern Asia, Australia, and the Americas all depict snakes that cause rain and live in rivers. You are insightful in recognizing Medieval knights needing heroic stories 😂

Really? Did you drop out of school before science class?

@@ryans.7426wow so rude. It’s obviously the first KZfaq video they have ever seen…

You must have only watch about 3 videos

NASA ~ De Classified Documents Prove " FLAT NON ROTATING EARTH " Physicist, Neville Thomas Jones, Ph.D. writes, "furthermore, no experimemt in all physics has ever demonstrated the globe theory, nor demonstrated that the World moves around the sun, or that it rotates on an axis". #1207 entitled Derivation and Definition of a Linear Aircraft Model assumes the Earth is flat and not rotating. Produced in August 1988, the publication details obscure concepts such as "Rotational Acceleration" and "Earth-Relative Velocity. " Or to a layman, how planes lift off, fly over, and land upon the Earth. Immediately following the cover page and index on the very first line Hnder Summary we see this: "This report documents the derivation and definition of a linear aircraft model for a rigid aircraft of constant mass flying over a flat, nonrotating Earth." The very same line appears again in the Introduction (2nd paragraph), and again under Concluding Remarks (Page 30), and finally, on the Report Document Page (Page 102, Section 16). Here is the link to entire report: nasa.gov/ centers/dryden/pdf/88104main_H- 99+ A

I don't think that's the correct spelling of condescending

it's very condescending and most of it is not even true. No modern FErs believe the earth is accelerating up. The number of FErs in the would is more like 10 million than 10k. This is very slick propaganda and written by a team of people.

They should be ridiculed and laughed at btw..

When that happens let us know.

@@dusermiginte4647 they shouldn't. At least they show that they think even if their thought process is wrong.

🤣😂😂

That was such a fantastic dismissal 🔥

That was EPIC!!! God I love this woman! 🤣

LOL....one day Sabine Hossenfelder will die, her followers will post eulogies and 2 weeks later they will have forgotten she even existed....

@@davidwest5177 who are you again? Oh, yeah. Nobody.

That would require going outside, where the Devil reigns. Flat Earthers would rather order pizza in.

Well, that argument can work with flatearthers :)

I've seen that joke a half dozen times in the last 2 weeks.

Lol. True.

Thats about as funny as screen doors on a battleship...

@@gordonsflash8612 Actually, I think it's "That's as funny as screen doors on a submarine".

it really doesn’t matter how you address individuals who aren’t listening. Flerfers are the child with his fingers in his ears tongue out

@Captain Bruh exactly. Mockery can be properly used as a catalyst to help them change and see the errors in their thinking when they reject all evidence and fail to listen. Satire can often be an example.

@@AlanHowellphotovideo No, mockery just makes people angry and redoubles their determination to stand up to the mockers. Sabine has the right idea. Engage with people respectfully and show them why they are wrong.

coddling the idiots is why why are going through this now...

@@bxdanny actually no, when you show respect to someone who is wrong, you engender confidence in their beliefs. When they seek out like minded idiots, you have lost the battle completely. I have watched Hitchens lovingly explain to religious people exactly where they are wrong, and those same people then return to their own and publicly berate him.

Unfortunately, the politicization of education and of science itself are no laughing matter. ☹️

I see that you subscribe to 3Blue1Brown. What a great channel.

You are exactly a conspiracy theorist.

@@Matuse Why would you say so? Please elaborate

@@pafnutiytheartist because instead of presenting sound arguments so support your opinions you just laugh at somebody else opinion.

"The only evidence you can believe is what you yourself see": well, they do not see the sun coming up very tiny at the dawn, increasing in size until noon and then shrunking back to a point at sunset, like it should necessarily be the case if Earth was a flat disk and a smaller sun orbited over it like they claim! If their senses are showing them that, then I suggest that they stop eating allucinogenic mushrooms with a expired date or that they go and search for more pure weed or lsd, for their dope then seems to be toxic garbage... lol

If you go too far with it i think is just solipsistic. And dangerously close to psychosis..although psychosis is due to biological or trauma-related illness not just stupidity. And yes, this video did not convince me any more that its not stupidity. Its a better debunk as its a full understanding. Like, i get trusting only your own senses but they think seeing the moon in the day as if that has been a hidden fact is evidence. If they do not understand the round earth model, or gravity they cannot 'debunk' it. So for that inconsistency i would say sabine is being unusually kind for some weird reason. She absolutely rips very sensible deductive hypothesis...

@@jorgepeterbarton Go and take a flight with a plane, - aaand you will see for yourself!!! 10 km up, you can clearly see that earth is not flat!!

@@konradbentgislason3835 and you too have eyes! to read the comment you are replying to before clicking enter! LMAO

Dude.. try and think for yourself for once..

Fake news 😏😋

@@user-nf9xc7ww7m trusting of all MSM news or some?

Like religion. a lot of things are fake news. we have the right to be skeptical of the form of where we live. btw we see one side of the moon. allways one side.

@@averagesauceenjoyer7209 yes- just the one side of the Moon & it is Very Active!! Bruce Sees All (his channel is all telescope mirrors for watching the Moon and he finds Amazing stuff!!) Looks like a space port with a war going on. So much activity and buildings IF U KNOW where to look........ I've heard stories about the dark side... not sure what it's like now, if the stories were true....

@@bfreeman8786 OMG LOL the creativity of scammers is endless xD

Scientific channels on KZfaq do not beat a degree, but they sure can entertain one's curiosity.

The amount of sarcasm in her comments are hilarious, she's basically giving the finger to these people, hahaha.

@@Fabelaz I'm not sure what having a degree has to do with anything. People have degrees but still believe in flat earth so ...

@@jamesn7305 what I meant is having a higher education is better than getting small snippets of information on same topic from youtube videos as former is more complete. My statement wasn't about flat earth, but I doubt anyone with higher education diploma (a real one) in physics-related area can believe in flat earth.

Hopefully, you can find a KZfaq video to continue to learn English grammar.

😂😂😂😂

That could be the result of the law of unintended consequences.

🤣

Exactly 👍

Wake up!🤦‍♂️

have you ever tried to prove we live on a flying spinning water covered ball?

@@kfm908 can you prove we’re not?

@@kfm908 I've sailed across the ocean. Done navigation with a sextant, etc. It's definitely round.

@@kfm908 you can't prove a preconceived conclusion, by attempting to prove something else isn't the case. Instead, you should first accept you don't know, and then try to discover the truth...until then, you don't know. E.g. Let's say I have the preconceived notion that if a bag of bananas doesn't have 5 bananas, the only other possible logical conclusion is that that small bag has 900 trillion bananas. No other possibilities could possibly exist. Only my preconceived conclusion of 900 trillion bananas is the default alternative. So all I have to do to prove my theory, is prove there aren't 5 bananas in the bag, and then I've automatically proved there are 900 trillion bananes in the bag. This is obviously not logical, all I've done is discover I don't know how many banana's are in the bag, apart from the fact that it's definitely not 5.

No matter how high you go , the Horizon is always at Eye Level, confirming FE.

@@ronpapi9539 I’m fairly sure that’s not correct though. If you look horizontally out of a level airplane window, you see mostly sky. You have to look downwards at the horizon.

@@andybrice2711 Wrong,look again its eye level.

The Wings of the Jet are even with the Horizon.

The other side of the coin for language is the effect that once ideas are written and labeled "God words" there will be people taking those written words as actually spoken by a God. And doesn't help the fact Gods never recorded any word since the invention of recorded sound...

Uh, yep.

This absolutely true. What people do best is learn from each other.

Fun Fact: One of the earliest written records we have is instructions on how to domesticate horses. If language were never invented, horse domestication would have likely never been able to be learned and reproduced, eventually dying out with whatever generation didn't learn it or pass it on.

@@ethanpschwartz Well no the generation would pass sit on to the next as practice or orally, as they did before writing was invented. Then another generation would probably discover it again. It would depend on how useful it was. Practices that don't get used are forgotten, and much of the knowledge that goes with them.

I sent my unreliable , unsteady, upside down viewing telescope to Goodwill.We know the Stars and Planets are just lights in God's Firmament.No need for a shakey telescope.

@@ronpapi9539 you: "Stars and Planets are just lights" You keep insulting God's work with your blasphemous antiscientific and antibiblical creed. you: "No need for a shakey telescope." Yeah, your disdain for knowledge is clearly reflected in your childish and ignorant comments Maybe it's time to face reality and get some form of education.

Great points!

Most telescopes end up at Goodwill.They show various lights , all upside down and very unstable sightings.

NASA has yet not been able to post a 24hr.love video of the entire Earth spinning with moving cloud formations and thousands of lightning strikes which permiate the night sky.Lets see the video or shutty.

You are talking about good pedagogy. But flat-earthers have another problem, besides their "partially rational arguments", their lack of scientific education, and their intellectual limits. They don't want to learn about reality. For obvious psychological reasons. Arguing with a flat-earther is a real challenge. If you succeed, you totally destroy his universe, the spine which sustained his whole life. To replace it by what ? The awareness of his emptiness ?

thank you. I have no doubt about my education, and life's experience's. My father was an airline pilot, i was privvy to many jet excursions...more proof of a circular Earth!

She sounded uneducated in the hood

Interesting comment...why do you say that?

@@shereef3823 Who are you talking to ? Is it Lisa ? By the way, spherical would be better than circular. Flerfs never could measure their pizza, that should have alarmed them !

This is just an idiotic statement meaning you must follow the info i am given? :D what? :D

@@worldaswar3784 No, it means that IF scientists provide evidence for HOW science works, than you can rely on the information that the system (the scientific system, the system that generates the evidence) provides, because even the people that can't or won't follow the actual research, still understand and trust it, as they understand HOW the system operates, as in "they understand the scientific process".

@@pedrinrj7251 you have just described a Blind FAITH. I believed blindly and was dissappointed. Please. Keep your slave mentality to yourself.

@@worldaswar3784 So, if you have an explanation on how something works, and you understand and can fact-check if the "how" works as described, the sub sequential trust in the information that comes out of that "how" is blind faith? I thought the blind faith was the acceptance of something without any evidence.

@@worldaswar3784 if you don't believe in what you have been told then you can not live in society and their progress. When you get sick do you go to the doctor?? Do you take the prescribed pills? You can't possibly know all of the information a doctor has, you can not fact check all of the science behind your everyday experiences. The cars you use, the electric energy you use everyday , etc are the result of science advances. And there is no better proof that science works than the fact that atomic bombs can be made, computers, smartphones, rockets, huge bridges, etc. You can perceive with your own senses the existence of all that and it is proof that science works.

Yes, you got it, flat-earthism is an antiscience cult people join to feel special and superior.

​@@tatonemio6388What science? Fallacies? Models, and assumed curve calculations? You don't even have a single globe proof that constitutes empirical evidence.

*TruthHurts ==> CONFIRMED FAKE KZfaq ACCOUNT* *all this accounts are confirmed to belong to the same demented flat earth troll* *EpicAlternative ErisOfNightCity FitnessApple 7THHEAVEN TheOriginalHossman TruthHurts LanaNavy youngtravels TheHammer*

​@@tatonemio6388Until you present some evidence for that accusation that you're spamming all over this comment section, you're just showing fence-sitters that our side (the debunkers) has its own bunch of obsessive screwballs.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ *MAGA/FOXNEWS demented troll spreading hatred and lies ALERT* *The evidence those accounts are from a troll is the fact a demented MAGA antiscience troll is defending them*

I would argue that she didn't use an objective method,on the contrary,it was very subjective. She put herself in the mindset of a flat earther and understood how they feel about science. She did explain it objectively though, so her reasoning can be seen by everyone else.

Yes, missing trust, and that's pretty reasonble these days towards politics, but in many cases also towards science in general; but also missing good education. Most of them probably also did not have the chance to travel around the world. How can we tell someone to recalculate the movements of the planets if they have no handle on geometry?

@@chaukeedaar good education! Yes, I totally agree!

@@chaukeedaar You don't need to be fairly confident the earth isn't flat (I'm not sure if you meant to imply that it not). Just watch a ship vanish bottom-up over the horizon. There are innumerable pieces of evidence because the earth is pretty ubiquitous as far as things go. ;) How would this work on flat earth? en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skywave How would pilots navigate? What moves a compass needle? It goes on and on ... Then, of course, there's the fact that a flat earth map does not exist--flat maps are all projections!

Well, actually Sabine , like most physicians, deliberately always likes to pick out the 'flat Earthers society' from the more serious critics of mainstream science. Why? Well, by making flat Earthers Movement appear more widespread or influential than they really are, mainstream science is generalizing all opposition to mainstream science to be equally dumb as this somewhat slightly retarded Kumbaya bunch. It kind of makes maintream sceintists look real smart (which they are in comparison) and moves attention way from the problametic, flawed and at sometime ridiculous theories, mainstream science has developed on their own over the years...

This so much. The media is... awful. They often report things like "Fuel cells/solar cells/super batteries/super capacitors are coming next year with this new technology." And while that new technology MAY exist, it's likely impossible to commercialize or would be so expensive as to not be economically viable. People have to accept that the world runs on money, and if something is too expensive to produce, the general public won't fund it/buy it. Of course science has technologies that could and would produce cleaner energy. But these technologies were produced using the most expensive materials and most expensive techniques. Often precious metals make up significant parts of batteries/other energy producing technologies that scientists study. I can't produce a battery that's 25% gold by weight and expect the public to pay a premium to use it when they can go to their local wal-mart and buy a normal battery, with likely half the capacity, for 1/1000ths of the cost. Science is burdened with the job of producing something CHEAPER than we currently have. And since things typically get cheaper the more they're used, fossil fuels are SO... UNGODLY CHEAP right now. (I'm using energy as an example, but the same idea applies everywhere.) Basically, the media is constantly undermining science even when they're trying to be useful. Furthermore, the media OFTEN misrepresents scientific publications because the media articles are written by idiots who have no idea what they're talking about, so they'll cherry pick a sentence and then say "this is what this entire paper is about." When in reality the scientific author was using that sentence as an example of something completely different. I've seen it happen more times than I can count.

Yeah, take something like global warming. If you only learn about global warming from the media and build what they say in to a scientific hypothesis then it's incredibly easy to pick apart and disprove as a hoax even if you lack a university education. Meanwhile if you take the actual science instead of the medias portray of it it's so far impossible to disprove. The fundamental problem is that you need at least 5 years of university studies (or more) to accurately understand all the science behind it to the point where you're capable of "making up your own mind" fairly. You need to learn everything from fluid dynamics and complex system analysis to quantum mechanics to be able to really understand every different part of it and how all of it interacts. But climate change as portrayed by the media? Well disproving that would make for a nice elementary school research project.

Here's a report that will not be "later contradicted." Water finds level. Level is a *_plane._* Earth is established on the *_same_* plane as water, a fluid, settled into a calm flat surface in a basin; i.e. a swimming pool for example. Basin size does *NOT* change water's nature to rest calm with it's surface a perfect plane once settled into a basin of *_any_* given size.

@@earth.is.a.plane. No. Just... no. Water does not find a "level". Water finds its place equidistant from the center of the mass that the water is attracted to (aka elevation). The ocean is not level. It is simply equidistant from the center of the earth. You're confusing "level" with "elevation." Over a sufficiently short distance, this will appear to be on the same plane. It is, however, not. I just don't... get it. Flat earthers can see and agree that the other planets/moons in our solar system are spherical. Including moons that have oceans of liquid on them, yet they dispute that oceans can exist on a sphere, yet they can... see... them. Oh of course that's assuming they don't think that space is all a conspiracy theory perpetuated by all of the governments of the world for... some... unknown.... purpose.

"Im a flat-earther and I'm not stupid, I just refuse to decode difficult sensory input like all those freak scientists" Thats an amazing quote that flat earthers should be using, but of course they won't watch this video

Except, that it is not difficult to look out the window of an airliner at cruising altitude and see the curve for yourself. Instead, they make idiotic excuses for it. And believe me, they ARE idiotic.

Try to decode the fact that Cavendish equation and Coulombs are identical bar the constant. (How can you even listen to someone that doesn't even understand the difference between spherical and round?)

@@palomarjack4395 But that's not true, you wouldn't be high enough to see "the curve" in a normal air plain, at least with your naked eyes. I think the Concord had been at an altitude you might be able to see it directly, . I think that's one of the problems: There are many of such claims floating around which are not really true and those "skeptics" use these to convince new victims.

I know right! I'm going to save this one for next time I'm having an argument with someone

Their arguments are less circular than they are, “spherical,” ironically enough. That’s how you get to be a, “global,” movement these days. 🙄

this is a bold faced lie lol

@@bezzyboy6 Really? I've seen them argue it in videos.

Accelerating where?Their is no NSE or West in Space.No up or down. either.See how foolish you Globeheads are.

While doing that, find a proof of 66.6 degrees tilt, that causing seasons

​​@@GlobeisahoaxxNo proof, because the tilt is 23, 44 degrees. Why are you obsessed with satanic number? Are you satanist?

Fr. Or just look at the sun. If thr earth was a disk the sun moving wouldn't match

When it rains do you live in a swimming pool.?

@@dreamdiction xd

The world is shaped like the internet to your generation...whatever it tells you. Great thinkers used to live here...zombies took over. You sound like one...

@@yestervue4697 "My generation"? I don't think you understood my posting at all.

@@ute.fritzkowski kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rauFaJOorK6zkWQ.html I don't think anyone ever really grasps mine...

@@napoleonbonapathy6943 Are you spamming, really!?

@@MarsStarcruiser Yup and the so-called pilot can't answer basic questions.

@@zed1stwizard I kind of figured😅

@@napoleonbonapathy6943 No, no you're not what you claim to be. If you are then show me you flying a plane and doing your job as an aerospace engineer.

@@napoleonbonapathy6943 🤡

You can also bend it with your mind

Good one

Uri Geller wants a word with you.

There is no spoon.

@@_IronLion_ There is no bend, the bend is an allusion... Likewisely, the sky also is not bent toward one side like it should be if Earth was a disk and you looked up from a place significantly distant from the center of that disk...

I'm no flat earther, but if a conspiracy theory comes true, it is because too many doubted it could ever happen. The false feeling of security is the perfect time for the enemy to execute said conspiracy, being as nobody will suspect it in time before it comes to fruition.

@@hypercubemaster2729 If something is already a conspiracy theory, that means at least some people already believe it. That kind of reinforces OP’s comment that they want to feel like they have special “secret” information that just happens to be shared all over the Internet. People don’t reject conspiracy theories because they’re unknown or even impossible. They reject them because they don’t have evidence to support them. If one of them turned out to be true, it would be because new evidence has been discovered. If you tell me socks go missing in the dryer because a singularity opens during the cycle and sucks in some of the socks, I wouldn’t just accept it because you said it, even if you put it in a meme and made it sound like a big government coverup. If, however, you actually proved it, my opinion would change.

@@hueypautonoman No. Those same people believe less important things all the the time without sufficient evidence. Just look at Y2K: Huge conspiracy theory that almost everybody believed, yet nothing happened. Also, what about certain religions? Absolutely no evidence to suggest some of them are true, yet people believe anyway. Often times the idea of something being true frightens someone to the point where they turn a blind eye of denial to every shred of evidence that could possibly come their way. Also, your statement about conspiracy theories lacking evidence is completely false. They more often than not have plenty of evidence behind them, which is why they gain traction in the first place. It is actually elitism and pride that causes a lot of people to not believe in certain conspiracies, because they want to feel more intelligent or not as crazy as the person who believes in said conspiracy that they themselves don't, knowing good and well they themselves have belief in a crazy conspiracy of their own.

The biggest trick ever pulled on people is convincing them conspiracy theory’s are inherently questionable. All that conspiracy’s are by definition, is people working together to some end, that’s most of society. That way you can call anything a conspiracy whenever you dislike the conclusion someone has gotten too.

@@Prometheus7272 I disagree. I could for example believe in God not because there is evidence but because I do, and that's that. Or, I could believe in God and that the evidence for his existence is being hidden from me and everyone else. This paranoia is at the core of the psyche of the conspiracy theorists

The woman in this video has obviously never tried to explain a spherical earth to a flat earther.

In the US the rejection of science has obviously become a part of rightwing doctrine. Less obvious, yet nonetheless true is the rejection of science and rational thought in the far left. I am convinced that both are simply opposite sides of the same coin. Unfortunately I doubt that rational argument is of any use.

US has well known education problems and science rejection cases for political reasons. You know the phrase "I'm not an american" means "I'm not extremely stupid to be unable to understand a simple thing".

No Common Sense.

flattards are not swayed by facts.

This is not a philosophical issue. Denying reality is stupid.

@@yvesandrethevenot3489what? Ofc it is. It‘s 100% Philosophy. Go read some Descartes or watch Matrix since u didnt understand it at its core

​@@yvesandrethevenot3489hi there. It is a kind of philosophical issue. I assume you are aware of Plato's cave analogy. If one person saw the truth, that doesn't mean others would be willing because it would rattle their whole upbringing, their attitude towards living and slings them into an identity crisis. Dismissing them makes the matters worse.

@@heybro345 you: "Plato's cave analogy" The Plato's analogy only apply partially to the anti-science flat-earthism cult. In Plato's analogy the people in the cave can't see the real world, they have no access to any information outside the cave, they have no way to compare different "science". This is false for modern open societies. Furthermore most the flat-earth propaganda is top-down where dishonest people are spreading willfully false information through social media and other sources. The people in the cave are honestly convinced of their own "truth" because they can see directly the evidence. They don't know the evidence is limited by their physical situation.

The flat earth logic there is simply the size of the sun and how far its light reaches. In heliocentrism, the sun is 93,000,000 miles away and something like 2.7 million miles in diameter. That massive size would easily light up an entire face of the globe earth, until we rotate and face the opposite direction. Now on the geocentric model, the sun is much smaller (33 miles in diameter if I'm not mistaken) and local, very close to us. Therefore, it's not nearly as big and its light can only reach so far in all directions. With that said, moving to your original thought... flat Earth logic says instead of the sun setting behind the curve as we spin, the sun is simply moving away, converging into the horizon until it shrinks out of view. It's hard to explain, but picture this. Ships disappear from the bottom up, as if they are going over a physical curve. Yet with a camera that has a strong enough zoom, you can zoom the entire ship top to bottom back into full view. If you are at a beach looking out into a vast open sea, and you look straight forward, the sky will be directly in front of you. However, the sky is not directly in front of you, but directly above you. Yet it would appear to be in front of you in the far distance because everything converges into the vanishing point of the horizon. By flat earth logic, this is what the sun is doing - disappearing into the vanishing point of the horizon and taking its local light along with it.

@@alexc-man7711 So many factually incorrect claims in your post: 1) The heliocentric and geocentric model are cosmological model not model of the Solar System 2) The geocentric model in fact doesn't claim the Sun is small and local at all but that the Sun orbit Earth , which is false 3) you: "Therefore, it's not nearly as big and its light can only reach so far in all directions." False, the size of a body is not the limiting factor for how far the light can travel. 4) you: "Ships disappear from the bottom up, as if they are going over a physical curve. Yet with a camera that has a strong enough zoom, you can zoom the entire ship top to bottom back into full view." Blatantly false, no telescope can zoom in on any boat 100 km away from the observer. 5) you: "However, the sky is not directly in front of you, but directly above you. " The Horizon is where sky and Earth meet, the sky is also in front an observer 6) you: "because everything converges into the vanishing point of the horizon." False, the vanishing point is not a scientific concept, it only refers to a type of projection of an image over an arbitrary plane. The vanishing point doesn't physically represent anything real. 7) you: "the sun is doing - disappearing into the vanishing point of the horizon " They basically claim the Sun get small are small as it moves away until it disappear which is ridiculous since very basic observations show the size of the Sun is constant. Ops. As Sabine explained "ad hoc" explanations are unscientific , what flat earthers are doing is to have ad hoc explanations for any observable phenomenon but not a single explanation that work for all phenomena. Astronomy explained all phenomena with its Solar System Model. The flat earth model need all sort of special explanations to try to be consistent with reality but failed. P.S. "everything converges into the vanishing point " *So parallel lines converge in a point?!?...ouch!*

Corrected: [...] all over the plane

Just a few...

how many times has this comment been repeated?....alot

How can we forget. This same comment is on every flat earth video.

@@KrunoslavSaho what plane?

She never brought up the most relevant FE points.No rebuttal.Shes Old School and only exists to calm down wishywashy Ballers what they want to believe.Swallowing other people's ideas instead of actually researching on their own ,comforts Lazy Globeheads.

@@ronpapi9539 K.

@@ronpapi9539 Which are the most relevant FE points ?

@@PeacefulCountryLife The Earth's Stationary and immovable.No Ocean Curvature and unproven Gravity Theory.That's just 4 points out of 200.

@@ronpapi9539 Thank you. Do you have a website / article link were all of these are fully listed and explained?

Watch the moon rise in the daytime in the Northern hemisphere when it should be shining over the Southern Hemisphere lighting up Australia at night. Explain that one!

@@johnjohn-cs9eu You forgot to tell why "the moon rise in the daytime in the Northern hemisphere" and "it should be shining over the Southern Hemisphere" need some special explanation. On an hypothetical flat Earth the Moon and the Sun are visible all the time from anywhere which even yourself admit is not true.

My thought exactly! This mindset seems to be a pleague spreading around the world. and not just with flat earthers.

I feel flat earthers fall into two camps. 1)those with prominent online followings/KZfaq channels who occupy a niche, cynically peddling content to an audience ready to passionately consume it. 2)their audience, made up of individuals who for one reason or another feels society has rejected them or lied to them; and so now, they completely reject society and view everything that is mainstream common belief/knowledge as just another lie they are now too wise to fall for. It gives them a feeling of superiority and power. They aren’t “conspiracy theorists”, as they rarely if ever articulate a “theory” of their own to go with the conspiracy. They like it vague, they don’t want answers, they only want to make all of reality, history, etc as confused and uncertain as they are. They aren’t “conspiracy theorists”; they are, for lack of a better term, “conspiracists”. And by that I mean “conspiracy and nihilism taken on as a worldview and religion”. They will latch on to anything and nothing at all as long as it means rejecting mainstream beliefs. The earth is flat, the pyramids were power plants, the sphinx is 50,000 years old, Atlantis was an advanced global civilization, mudfloods, the moon landing was faked, on and on..

yes, I'm not a flat earther myself, but I do believe the moon is flat. I'm a flat mooner.

I once had a quarter hiding in my ear and didn't know it.

Sleigh of hand, that's no doubt the magic trick that Santa uses to get everyone their presents. Or at least, that's my hypothe-is.

Your argument is so so lame I don't want to answer...

empiricism is observation. all these guys demand is their own empiricism. and not the concentration of observation tools and methodes in the hands of the few. A bit like the god with privately inspiring only some people. It end with people have different results. Or force themselves into cohersion to agree on one thing.

@@Robert08010 What's terrifying is that you don't know how long you had this quarter behind your ear before this magician took it! An who put it here?!