Working as a mechanic for 11 years on many high performance cars and vintage race cars we installed and serviced a lot of flexible stainless brake lines. We installed top brands like Spiegler and Earl's. Many of these brake line installations failed within just a few months. Flexible ends or not, this hardware is not really suitable for everyday street use. There is simply more flex at the line ends than the lines can handle, and the hose ends up splitting close to the end fitting. It is even a problem for race cars. The rubber hoses can tolerate a lot more flex cycles than the stainless hose.

This video and the fact that you bothered to time stamp the description are reasons you deserve 1M subs. Go, go, go!

One reason why many people see an improvement in brake pedal feel after upgrading is because they're replacing 15+ year old rubber hoses with brand new lines. They would've felt a difference too with new rubber hoses

I put Stainless Steel brake lines on my motorcycle. I simply did it because I found the braking "Feel" to be much better. Very firm levers after installed. Of course part of this could be the fact that I installed new fluid and made sure they were bled to perfection. Nevertheless, they were red. I like red.

Man succeeded in scaring the shit outta us that wanted to upgrade to braided stainless steel lines.

The Fine Print series was excellent. I know it isn't an eye magnet but I learned something from every single one of them. Thank you for this content.

Very informative, really looking forward to this "fine print" line of videos, glad to see you trying new things with the channel. It's turning into one of my favorite car related KZfaq destinations.

This is a great series, really appreciate the unbiased information

New segment type is really cool. Loved watching you hold back a smirk when you say the tagline at the end! Keep them coming. This wasn't news to me but I'm sure plenty will have some helpful info, can't wait to see more.

I love your Fine print videos. You go into topics that aren't always well-covered. It's pretty cool. Keep it up

Love this new series. I'm really glad you started it. No doubt, you're the most real car KZfaqr I've watched. Your channel is fantastic.

you dont know how long ive waited for this exact video!!! I am rebuilding my 1950 Cadillac and I really was confused on the benefit of steel brake lines !!

youre the only person i can find who tells all useful information wether it is bad or good

Why am I just now discovering this channel? I've been going through videos; great content. Hope this channel blows up.

I didn't like the way this guy started slow with a lot of words and wide spaces between them at the first glance, but it it's got all perfectly aligned with the actual information the video was claimed to deliver. I was very pleased to see all of my qustion answered exactly the way they should have been. Good job!

Great start to the series and much appreciated. I can attest to the benefits of stainless steel brake lines on the track, but they do feel like overkill on the street unless your security depends on limit braking.

Just subscribed. I watched two of your vids and I must say the channel is excellent with great commentary that includes unbiased impressions and useful technical details.

There is another reason for stainless steel brake lines, and that is feel. Knowing what is happening at the pad is another piece of telemetry that I appreciate. You don't need it on the street, but I have them for the feel. Just because you technically don't need them on a street car, doesn't mean you shouldn't use them. If your car is your love and you don't track it, there are better places to spend your money. Its just this guy's opinion from a practical perspective.

This is great information. Please keep doing these. I'd like to hear about the practical applications of all the common mods, intake, exhaust, springs etc

Very informative...I know little about cars, but can't stop watching this channel. Go SG!

Awesome reviews I like how you give the pros and cons to what real world people would go through or deal with.

In my opinion... The main reason is general brake feel, not necessarily during track conditions or from heat of the fluid expanding. The benefits are felt EVERY SINGLE TIME you press the brake pedal, at any speed. The oem rubber lines dont hold the 100's of psi (during even a regular brake application) without deforming slightly, which is felt in pedal feel. However, many cars have very soft cast brake calipers , that flex significantly as well. If you have basic cast calipers (or non-perfomance street pads with low initial bite), you will still have a spongy pedal feel even with the stainless steel lines, so just save your money. I agree on the downsides, however.

Hot brake fluid can't melt steel beams

This was a perfect "philosophy of use" analysis. Great video!

Amazing explanation for the pros and cons between each rubber and stainless brake lines!

The word on the street is that turbosky uses stainless steel condoms 👏

Best and honest advise I have ever seen on KZfaq so far.

These are the type of informative videos that are needed. No BS laughing acceleration videos, no widebody/bag everything, no junk half ass install ebay videos.Just some good informative videos that teach you what (and maybe safe you money like this video) modification does and the benefits and importantly the draw backs are.This channel should be held in high regards in the automotive youtube channels. Keep up the damn good work!

I'm glad someone is making videos like this with so much misinformation on the internet. I myself have all this stuff too, but like said in the video just know what you are getting yourself into. more maintenance and checking.

Great start to this series! Looking forward to the following videos.

Love the frequency and quality of your videos. Thanks for the good content

Honest reviews are always the best!!!! Keep the honesty and great job!! Thank you Sir!

All your videos are very informative and helpful to me personally and Im sure to everyone else as well. I have decided not to go with SS lines for my S2000 after watching this video. Thank you always!

Nobody ever talked on the downsides of stainless steel brake lines. Glad you did.

Basically, you don’t need a 4000 dollar suit if you’re working at Del taco..

Please keep this series going. This is great. Thank you

I'm liking this Fine Print series, some bad always comes with the good.

Great vid saved me some money that I was gonna waste while upgrading my braking components thank you! Very informative

100% agree with you 👍🏾 only thing i could add as it relates to liability is the shock load stress then the abs module activities hammering brake system through fluid during its operation.. rubber lines act like accumulators reducing the shock load as the pressure spikes then module pulsates

Sweet lord, legit information in a consumable package. Very nice video as per usual.

stumbled on this video and it helped me make my decision. I almost went stainless because mine are getting mushy, but glad I did research first

And that is.... THE FINE PRINT

Fantastic video. Very educational, great visuals and clean down to the point understanding. Thanks!

Thanks, your video pop up right on time. I’m rebuilding a beat up Car and thought of replacing the brake line with ss type. So helpful in deciding to go for it or not.. cheers!

Thanks for this. I was considering putting some braided lines on while doing the brake pads, but I think I'll just use some new rubber lines, since the ones on there now are about 12-13 years old. I don't do serious track driving, because I don't really have the spare time or money to get into it. Fundamentally, even though I do like to go fast, it's still just street driving.

this channel is absolutely amazing, he's very knowledgeable and in biased in his reviews and information. He deserves way more subs. I don't know anything about cars but his channel makes me want to learn as much as I can! hopefully all from him!

SS brake lines also benefit if you do any type of backroad or canyon driving. Fluids don't have to reach boiling point for you to feel the benefit of SS lines.

Very informative - thanks for the thorough, no BS explanation!

Good honest review. I upgraded to SS lines two weeks ago... absolutely no difference on the street.

Thank you for the info. I'm getting MTEC stainless steel lines put on my frs this week with rbf600 fluid and winmax w3 pads so ill be ready for the track next month

Very timely watch for me. Getting a quote on a brake upgrade today.

I don't know if you had to redo several takes from forgetting your words or needing to explain something better, but you are incredibly eloquent for the amount of time you spend talking without cutting a shot.

These series are great by the way. Please go on!

In 2013 I did z1 motorsports ss brake and clutch lines on my ‘06 350Z. I thought it was a tremendous upgrade. Brakes and clutch really firmed up and felt strong. Put them on my ‘15 Titan in 2018 and had the same experience: nice and firm brakes.

Awesome. More great, well-explained concepts presented at a high production level. MOAR, PLZ. =)

Informative and a great asset to the enthusiast. Keep up the great work!!

Every word you said is wisdom.Polite,humble,spot on.

I like the new series, my favorite part of this channel is the no Bullshit approach, keep up the good videos👍👍

Bravo. Great information here & looking forward to more fine print videos.

Thank you. Great info. Level headed & honest. No hype no bias

Rubber it is Very informative video man, keep up the good work

I agree with Charles Rockwell the only brake line failures I have had are on competition cars with stainless lines. I think the reason lots of people think that their brakes are better after fitting stainless lines is because they have changed the brake fluid and bled the system. I discussed this at length with an engineer from Girling and he would never use stainless lines on a road car. I would however consider fitting nylon coil rubber brake line protectors especially if you drive on unsurfaced or poor roads.

I wanted to invest in some stainless steel brake lines but now it just seems pointless unless I would be on the track ... thanks for the info Geese!!!

well explained. helped me make a decision to not the replace the rubber brake lines on my wrx and avoid the extra cost.

Excellent! I'm a big fan of The Fine Print.

Just in time!! I was thinking of getting some braided brake lines and new fluid! Gonna get educated, cya in 6.35

Fair enough explanations. I just have installed them on my type R and I feel not 100% sure about safety. Kinda regret that I have get in to it. Rubber ones would be good enough.

Very informative. Like this vein of videos. Keep up the good work.

Great job! You could make a part 2 about race brake fluid and pads?

Excellent explanation and a good watch. Much appreciated!

Great video, quick concise and right!

Love this series! Keep it up savagegeese !!!

Loving the new series!

Love it, pro/cons and straight to the point!

Keep these videos coming! So much great info

I love my goodridge ss lines. the feel is amazing and adds to performance just because of that. It is very vaulable on the street imo. THe brakes are the most important thing on a car. I will have them on all my cars.

Such an excellent informative video, subscribed.

It made a ton of difference on my klr 650 because the line was 1.3m long and old. It was a big upgrade

Dude. Dude. Keep this shit up. New shop, new equipment, new everything, you're knocking it out of the park. There is a reason why your subscribers love your content. Also glad it moved you guys out of Mark's shop :) He told me about your guy's channel the last time I was in there for service.

I was curious about this «upgrade», turns out I'll stick to rubber hoses for now! Thank you!

Do a video on huge camshafts. There are negatives with many mods which nobody talks about. Thanks for making these videos.

Another top video dude, keep up the good work.

I just found this video after installing stoptech stainless steel lines in my daily driver 😅

I'd say if you were going to go with SS lines get the ones with the outter rubber coating as the ones without can be exposed to more debris and can in turn wear out much quicker which happened to me when a line bursted on hard braking.

I appreciate the good content. Would you recommend after installation to steel brake lines, to change the brake fluid?

Very well explained. Thanks

Thanks a lot for your explanation. I will keep my rubber ones then. Regards

In my country, weather is hot thru out the year. We can feel the expansion of the rubber easily. 2ndly, if absorber leaks oil, it causes the rubber line to expand or harden quickly too. So I prefer steel braided.

Excellent! This is the kind of stuff you need to be doing!

Good info in a quick, short vid. Thanks!

I found a good alternative to the Endless brake lines for the s2k. In my search to figure out if the endless lines would fit my 06+ ap2, I came upon spiegler. They are a well known, moto brake line manufacturer. Their lines swivel; they are DOT approved; and they are produced in Europe, but assembled in the USA.

Terrific breakdown. Thanks for the video.

Not alot of people really talk about these braided plastic lines wear out very quickly, leak, and come apart at the terminations after all those expansion and contractions wear out the plastic at the termination joints, yes what they call stainless braided lines are basically a plastic like material line, many have had lines severed at the terminations, good for track and feel, doesn't last on the street, these braided lines are dangerous on the street , even if you inspect them you never know when they will shear off at the terminations, rubber hoses are much much more forgiving aka flexible and last basically the life of the car, if only someone came out with super high quality hybrid brake lines without the shearing issues at the terminations.

Great video, and 2 videos in 2 days, nice.

Great PSA! As a bike guy I'd like to add that (coated) steel lines just look better than rubber ones. It's the sole reason why I use them.

Thanks for this video. Saved me some money and probably a big headache. 🎉 I’ll be sticking to rubber hoses for my daily 😅

Concise, brilliant, and to the point!

I have Goodridge stainless breake lines on my S13(200SX) more than 4 years now. No problems. I just inspect them every time I change disc pads.

Very intersting. I have Brembos and their SS lines that came with the calipers. I will inspect them.

I love your production quality!