Lol, I know. I really want some of our ideas to become a reality.

Given that Saw X takes place between Saw 1 and Saw 2 , the game in Mexico City would likely had tooken place between early to mid 2005

@YakuzaSeriesGenerationOfficialHe did.

I am so down for a ultimate jigsaw battle royal (Logan vs Gordon vs Schenk) Let the games begin😈 who is truly John’s successor?

​@YakuzaSeriesGenerationOfficial he died from blood loss I think in saw 5 you see a portrait of dead cops it had eric Riggs and kerry

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That would be sick, but problem is, I don't think Dr Gordon cares. Dr Gordon wasn't interested in continuing jigsaws legacy,. He ain't a Disciple. He just helped John whenever John gave him a task. I doubt he has any interest in current events since John is no longer around. I don't think Dr Gordon is so loyal that he'd protect John's legacy. Once he completed John's final request that was it.

@@momin351i honestly think he released you do what the fuck he says and you live. after that he dipped out.

@kirby8252 I don't think Dr Gordon was under any burden or threat from John after he survived. John isn't the type to blackmail people to stay since he didn't do so with logan, John even went out of his way to keep Dr Gordon a complete secret from Amanda and Hoffman same with logan. I think Gordon genuinely felt and believed that John changed him for the better, the same way logan believed that Jigsaw helped him put the pieces of his life back together again. Again yes it's silly, but that's how the minds of psychopaths work. I think Gordon genuinely believed John helped him so he decided to help John whenever he asked. However after John died, Gordon didn't care enough to continue because he only views John as a friend who helped him see the right way, Amanda on the other hand saw John as a godfigure and believed she could carry on his teachings, John groomed Amanda and Gordon in different ways, one was simply a friend who helps, the other a follower who was to continue and be the next Jigsaw. As for Hoffman, I think John blackmailed him because Hoffman showed talent in creating traps. He was a police officer so he'd be able to give John info on alot of criminals for tests something which logan, Amanda and Hoffman couldn't do. I don't think John wanted anyone to continue his legacy besides Amanda. Hoffman just went off the rails and gordon needed to take care of it.

@@momin351 i think your right, but he did have threats to people from beyond the grave, i mean he asked gordan to avenge his wife and he did. your probably right unless somehow someone else knew he was a apprentice which would be completely bs but it is saw.

@kirby8252 John's threat from beyond the grave were for his saw 5 trap victims, his gane for William Easton, a game for hoffman and a game for bobby who faked being a Jigsaw victim. Their were no threats made to Dr Gordon cause Gordon was appreciative towards John and they became friends. And John trusted him the most. The reason john didn't trust hoffman is because hoffman wasn't the one who was going to carry John's legacy, that was Amanda. Hoffman was someone who could help John get victims due to his inside police connections but he was also a loose canon hence why John only blackmailed him and not his other 3 apprentices. The bobby tests that John gave were rigged by hoffman to make them nearly impossible which is why bobby failed to save any victims. Jill also rigged the test with hoffman since John had an escape mechanism for the reverse bear trap 2.0 but jill on purpose didn't give hoffman the key to escape but hoffman still survived. Hoffman also went on a revenge streak and started killing the cops and taking revenge on jill. John figured that after he was gone hoffman would probably be a loose canon since he was the only one not devoted to John. Logan and John parted ways but logan respected John to keep his identity a secret and John let him leave with no blackmail. Amanda was devoted to John, she went off the rails but she still looked upto John. Dr Gordon considered John a friend. Hoffman was only staying cause he was blackmailed and after John was gone, Hoffman just went on a killing spree, so John put a contingency in place to get rid of hoffman if that happened, and he knew he could rely on Gordon, as Gordon was the only apprentice who wasn't emotional like any other apprentice, logan was revenge struck, Amanda was a complete mess and hoffman was a megalomaniac. But John didn't threaten any of his apprentices, only hoffman because he wasn't really an apprentice. John only put a contingency plan for Amanda because she rigged 2 of her games so he made changes last minute. In a nutshell Amanda was suppose to continue but failed. Gordon was just a friend and was loyal but he wasn't forced to stay, both logan and Gordon were essentially Jigsaw's coping mechnism for proof that his tests worked since they both were thankful to John, and they both helped with zero obligations. John didn't force Gordon to intervene, he simply requested Gordon to do him favours and asked him for one last request. Gordon was not obligated to follow and its not like John could have even done anything at that point, but Gordon honored his request, same way logan honored the request to build the reverse bear trap. It was always just Amanda and she failed.

I always assumed she had become a potential apprentice as she got older

Probably life long ptsd

​@angelux2793 that or the opposite and she goes after jigsaw as an adult (maybe with Matthews son as well?)

@@Dynexsilshe can’t. Kramer died in the same movie she was kidnapped in, Amanda was killed, and halloran would’ve been in the military during these games, so there’s no one for her to go after. Hoffman maybe but he’s been ghost since saw 7

​@@Dynexsilthat'd be amazing.

Nothing can stop the Hoffmanator

Same, his escape from the reverse bear trap is my favorite scene in the series

I can’t help but agree. His will to live is stronger than pretty much every other saw character. But I guess we’ll have to see

He’s got to have been found w every 1 dead the property the did all this there’s no Jill no kid to leave these properties to they have to clean up the place resell the place … he’s alive inside that bathroom…,where’s Xavier zed where’s there bodies… he’s got to get out he will. That gurl Eleanor the 1 who has the museum set up… she can be some1 important trying to get more info or watch around….

Aw thanks. Hope you like them!

SAW THE FIRST MOVIE AND SAW 3D REALLY JUST ENDED THE SERIES HOW IT WAS SUPPOSE TO END THE SAME WAY IT BEGAN BUT HOFFMAN A BIG GUY I DOUBT HE COULDNT GET FREE

This is Exactly Why I enjoy rewatching the Saw Series every so often. You pick up on new things and fun details on scenes that add and adapt the the story , intentionally or Unintentionally, This Series is Fun and Great, definitely a guilty pleasure

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Exactly! Where is it?! lol

I always thought this was the best way to go about things! Set up several copycats and have them go at eachother!

I don't think they'd make that ... but, it's an interesting idea.

Basically a meta saw movie. Sounds pretty interesting 😃

@@whatthehorror I really feel the only way I could see this franchise continuing without the Spiral spin-off strictly is just to reimagine the original seven films. Maybe as a telltale video game or as a reboot that improves on the best concepts of the original story. I don't wish to get to into detail here and give you a long comment thread, but here it is if you wish to continue reading: Maybe have a retelling of the original seven films that trim the fat on the story and get rid of all the unesscesery traps/victims. I know people love the aspect of traps and victims always losing but it feels like the big thing that people hate about this franchise. Even if that makes it secretly brilliant. Jigsaw wants to reform people in these traps yet he loses when they feel the tests or just become a terrible apprentice who still ends up dead. The worst thing about the saw franchise is that it is complex while also being too complex that it just repeats redundent patterns like John Kramer's origin because the writers knew after James Wan left, Jigsaw still was the core component to the franchise. Just follow the same story as the original three James Wan scripted films with a different ending to reimagine the later half to get some new ideas like: Jigsaw does not die, he fakes his death and we don't notice to retell the idea of Jigsaw 2017. Have Jeff and Lin win there game in Saw 3 but the twist is that Hoffman screws over John Kramer and Amanda in order to get rid of them because they blackmailed him of course for pretending to be Jigsaw to get revenge on his sister's killer. Have it be revealed that they are all his apprentice except Amanda, that works as a grand reveal. Amanda also survives to be given a stronger character arc, she did not rig any games, only Hoffman, who only rigs ONE trap to make Amanda think he will tell John Kramer it was her fault. This rigged trap ends up being the Venus Fly trap from Saw 2. Doctor Gordon does not help with any of Jigsaw's plans. He is just trying to help the survivors of his games but I would still keep the grand reveal that he's alive after the devastating murder of Jill Tuck. Focuse on delving into retelling the origin of John Kramer like the later squeals do with him blackmailing Hoffman in order to make him like Amanda. Maybe even delve deeper into the origins of the puppet Billy, maybe it something Kramer thought of as a child from something he thought of at some carnival that inspired him to become an engineer or toymaker turned engineer when his company and Jill's started to flourish and they were inspired to become entrepenuers that sought innovation in the Healthcare business and hoemowners association. Make it essentially feel heavily inspired by Breaking Bad and less like the torture porn aesthetic in this half of the story that James Wan took inspiration from with the films of Italian Giallo. Make a better game of cat and mouse with Peter Strahm and Hoffman as he's putting dangerous people in traps to frame Strahm and make the FBI think he is Kramer's other accomplish. Then basically keep the rest of Saw 6 relatively the same as the original classic Saw film. Only once again, make it smaller in scale and more plausible where less is more like the original. I know the traps are what define this franchise next to John Kramer, and the iconic score from Charlie Clouser, but it should remain small in scale with a very experimental narrative that does not focus too much on the police investigation side of things where fan favorite characters can survive their traps for stronger character arcs like Adam. Adam survives as part of the twist of this section in the story as Hoffman survives the bear trap 2.0. Maybe have that main victim who Jigsaw tested from Saw 6 who refused to give him health care actually sacrifice himself to save most of the other core contestants in that game. But the traps remain small in scale and visceral without ever being to silly. That's why I enjoyed Spiral, because the traps were gnarly from their simplicity. With just enough weirdness to make them uncanny like the reverse bear trap. So I would make the carousel trap the central focus to this remake of the Saw 6 storyline. I would also make a major change to Jigsaw himself with how he targets his victims, ALL of which are guilty of some sort of serious crime. Which means no Smoking man in that trap against that person who refused John's healthcare. No one guilty of crimes that are just petty which means Gordon's crime should not be that he simply cheated on his wife, maybe make it that he was related to the experimental treatment center that pretended to cure his diagnosis of cancer. Course his family would be in danger but still.....Jigsaw is just more interesting when he is like Dexter Morgan. He's a villain for villains instead of a hero. Then lastly, I would have the events of the Final Chapter 2010 be a classic two parter where Jill dies as she does and Gordon shows up at the end as the cops actually succeed in getting Hoffman so we can have that brilliant new scenario where Gordon and maybe Strahm play a game with Hoffman to try and save the last of his victims while he's in prison. No callbacks to the bathroom or putting Hoffman in the bathroom....ever. Just have Adam and Gordon play one last game together against this crooked cop who was just trying to get revenge for his sister's murder.

Aw thanks.

The boy John Meets sitting on the bench in the Saw x leaked photos is obviously Jeff & Lynn's son. considering they show Jigsaw drawing the twisty tim trap in the Trailer.

@@MonstrousViLLain nice theory, although why would John be drawing a trap designed for Timothy when he hasn’t even killed the boy yet?

I agree on the Logan part, Jigsaw was terrible, I hope we never see Logan again. I don’t even consider Jigsaw, canon.

@@woregarjackson4930 I am 100% with you not regarding it as canon.

​@@Mac_Kymerait is possible John doesn't always make traps specifically for someone, he can make a design for later use

It is exciting to be part of horror isn't when people are all geared up for a movie. And yeah I think Leigh didn't mean anything by it other than I haven't seen all of the films so I don't know everything in reference to Hoffman.

Nice😂 such a great closing line

Amanda didn't truly believe in Jigsaw's philosophy or methods, that's why she made her traps inescapable and lashed out at John in 3 telling him how his philosophy is bullshit and people don't change

@@acecashman1237I think this was a big indicator of Johns god complex. He couldn’t accept the idea that one of his great triumphs was actually a failure. Amanda was still broken even after being in two games.

Logan didn't use Jigsaw philosophy, neither did Amanda. Logan created an unwinnable trap for halloran and halloran reminded logan that John always gave people a chance, and logan simply said scream or don't. Amanda may have started following his philosophy but she started creating unwinnable traps. Hoffman also started betraying the philosophy, by simply putting Jill in an unwinnable trap because he was after revenge, he also created unwinnable scenarios for the fbi who tried to catch him. Only true Disciple who followed John's philosophy till the end was Dr Gordon. He followed all of John's instructions that were given to him loyally.

Yeah as much I would love to hope they make those 2 pig masked guys Daniel Matthews which would make a lot more sense since he'd have a vengeance motive and the other one possibly Adam explaing why the shackle was on his right foot of his supposed dead corpse, instead of his left where it was initially placed this answering the theory of Gordon coming back for him and swapping his body with Detective Tapp's, but yeah despite this all being a possibility It's still for now what the writers in the Saw 3D film commentary said that those 2 pig mask figures helping Dr. Gordon capture Hoffman are Brad & Ryan from the opening Love Triangle scene.

@@thehalloweenheavymetalmusicwar The same audio commentary for Saw 1 claimed Dr. Gordon was dead, and he’s still alive at this point. I would take those words with a small grain of salt. Until a future chapter confirms them, we can’t just assume it’s two random trap victims, and until then I’m under the belief that Logan likely was one of them, the other still to be relieved. As fun as the Adam theory is, it all feels like a stretch, but then again, we said the same about some Gordon theories and all turned out to be at least partially correct. But my guess is it’s Logan and Daniel or… Logan and Eleanor (yes this would be a twist revealing she was more than a mere fangirl).

Ummm, William's dead...

@@acecashman1237 Schenk

Detective obrien and Mallick too

And the main guy in 6 his sister

The two guys survived the trap in saw 7 fighting over the girl

@@TaylerMurray-sj5ps oh yea I forgot about her lol

@@justinnbucano5443 I try to forget them lol

So glad you liked the video! We're both huge fans of Saw as well and it was so fun nerding out over the films. Thanks for the sub 😊

Same! Also what are these other secrets John promised dr Gordon he’d let him in on

Apparently from the Saw 7 commentary, the two nameless pigs were the the bros. from the beginning of the movie.

@@vistea1yeh cos despite that trap appearing as though it was happening in the present it was supposed to be set when John was still alive. I think there was a deleted scene or an intended scene where it would pan to John watching and possibly Dr Gordon but I can’t remember if Gordan was included.

According to writers in the Saw 3D film commentary, the 2 pig mask guys who assisted Dr. Gordon to abduct Hoffman are Brad & Ryan from the opening Love Triangle trap scene.

I've missed that. I guess him saying that makes sense seen as how it's been a long time since he was involved in it. Otherwise he's a huge supported of Saw.

Were the 2 guys Brad & Ryan from the opening love triangle trap scene like the writers confirmed in Saw 3D film audio commentary?

@@thehalloweenheavymetalmusicwar yes it was the guys from the love triangle. I don’t know why I remember that part but I do vividly that’s why I was kind of confused when she said that there was no version where they took the masks off because I saw one was where they did

@@lyndsilentz5171 So it always was truly Brad & Ryan like the writers in the audio commentary said, I had to ask because people theorize that one of them maybe be Daniel Matthews or possibly Adam or Logan if they made future sequels, but that version you saw, there would be almost no possibilty of retconning Brad & Ryan being the 2 pig masked guys because they gave the audience the definitive answer by revealing themselves in that version you watched. So if I may ask, what version is it, because I am trying to find it here on youtube? I wanna see it. If you could send me a link of that version to click on that would be good too.

I’m really sorry i can’t i don’t know where I saw it and I could absolutely be wrong. I watch the stuff on the KZfaq dead meat and I went to see if they had a video clip there but they didn’t. They said exactly what you said the audio, so I could absolutely be wrong.

I was confused as well, because I recalled plain as day as the film showing the audience the two men from the opening scene removing the masks.

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Oh I missed his voice in the trailer. I'll have to re watch.

​@@whatthehorror fr?

Thank you! There's nothing bad going on, it's just Leigh replied to someone's tweet about Hoffman by saying he hadn't seen Saw 5 or 6 and didn't know what people were on about when they mentioned Hoffman. I think he just means he hasn't seen them all so isn't up to date on everything to do with Hoffman.

Thank you!

From what he wrote in the tweet it can seem weird but I think he just meant he hadn't seen all of the sequels and so didn't know everything in relation to the character of Hoffman.

Enough for there to be an APB on Hoffman in Saw 7 when he was on the run

Thank you!

Jeff and Lin's daughter (Corbett) wasn't older than 8 to 10 years old in SAW III. Jigsaw took place 10 years after Jigsaw his death. We last saw Corbett in the same movie John died (SAW III, and flashbacks to that movie in SAW 3D), meaning that at her oldest, she would be 20 (maybe as old as 23, but that would really be a stretch) during Jigsaw. There was never a age given to Eleanor, but given her profession I wouldn't say that she is in her early twenties, like Corbett would be around that time. I would also say that Eleanor looks too different from Corbett to be a grown up version of her. I do however still wonder what happened to the kids/teens that were affected by the Jigsaw traps. Corbett's and Daniel Matthews' fates in general have always interested me and I would love to see SAW take a swing at what happened to them.

@@veeva99 oh shit I forgot her name thank you for some reason I thought they never mentioned her name, thank you!

I mean, it was considered enough of a Saw film to be classified as Saw 9 since we're now at Saw X, which wouldn't be possible unless Spiral was counted

@acecashman1237 lol, because it says 'from the book of Saw' with a couple references to Jigsaw with a picture of Tobin Bell that porely tries to say its in the same universe...if you want to consider it a Saw film go ahead. Saw X was actually in the works before Spiral. And was supposed to be titled Saw 9. But they decided to try something completely different because Chris Rock insisted he had an idea and was a huge Saw fan. All the Saw films are titled 'Saw...' besides Jigsaw but that was a reboot just like Halloween and Scream so it gets a pass. Then we have 'Spiral' it wasn't titled Saw 9 Spiral.