Secrets of a Narcissist w/ Betrayal Podcast Pt. 2 | Navigating Narcissism with Dr. Ramani

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Jenifer Faison and Andrea Gunning of Betrayal Podcast continue to share their story in part 2 of their episode. Dr. Ramani, Jenifer and Andrea dive deeper into how Jen dealt with Spencer's lovers. While it is common for victims of infidelity to blame both parties, Jenifer explains what she thinks about Spencer's relationships with teenagers vs. adult women, and how he didn’t seem like a villain - at first. They wrap the episode speaking on their thoughts on love, and whether after an experience like this there still can be hope for future relationships.
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Jenifer Faison
Jenifer Faison is the host of the podcast Betrayal, which shot up to number one and remained there for several weeks in the US and beyond. In addition to podcasting, Jen is an Emmy-nominated television producer, with credits such as Judge Judy and Extreme Makeover: Home Edition and, most recently, Netflix Instant Dream Home. After building her career in LA for 17 years, Jenifer now resides in Acworth, GA, with her cat, California Berry.
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Andrea Gunning is Glass Entertainment Group’s Head of Podcast Development and Production. She recently added “talent" to her responsibilities as co-host of Apple’s number one podcast, Betrayal. Previous to podcast life, “Dre” as she’s called by friends and colleagues, was a television executive based in Philadelphia. Her passions include her family, fitness, and summers at the Jersey shore.
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@stephstevelesstrange Жыл бұрын

Awe, I’m so disappointed to hear that Jada Pinkett Smith is involved in this podcast. Love you Dr. Ramani, and will continue to watch your other channel.

@berlizgonzalez6736 Жыл бұрын

Same!! Isn't Jada a narcissist?? 😬

@velina55 Жыл бұрын

She is...but she shows the money

@alexismerrilldragonqueen6552 Жыл бұрын

I don't like Jada Pinkett Smith either, but it's much more important to me that I listen to Dr. Ramani. Jada isn't included in these podcasts, her Red Table Talk is just an affiliate

@idag7521 Жыл бұрын

Spoken like a narcissist lol

@pattyjakob6486 11 ай бұрын

me too just heard her name and I got a bad feeling

@susanmcmahon4733 Жыл бұрын

Narcissists are BRILLIANT at seeing someone's vulnerability, it's MAD TO THINK that under ALL THIS is an EXTREMELY DAMAGED PERSON.

@MT-sb2oe Жыл бұрын

I've seen these types of predatory men at various workplaces and it's frustrating because you see the type of betrayal going on and how women become willingly complicit. What can a bystander do in a workplace situation when you feel awful seeing what's going on?

@dianamoore2241 Жыл бұрын

This reminds me of my ex husband. He cheated on me with two other women, one was 19 & the other probably in her 40's. Neither of them knew about the other. Now the funny thing is, the older woman & I had to go to testify on behalf of a woman at her divorce hearing. We were in the same car. I didn't know who she was & that she was seeing my husband. The woman we were testifying for did know. All of us were lied to..And I've messed up my comment accidentally. I could write a book about my ex husband. He didn't want me to tell his parents what he was doing but I did. It became too much for me to deal with.. And I could go on about his behavior. Thanks for the podcast.😊

@kaoshi_kutie Жыл бұрын

So sorry to hear this

@kaoshi_kutie Жыл бұрын

Thank you Dr Ramani for this. It was extremely triggering listening to this as a few months ago I went through a very traumatic experience with a covert narcissist. Dating for 2 months became suspicious , dumped him just before found out he was married and had at least 5 affairs! Glad I trusted my intuition. He literally abused and manipulated his wife for years. No contact indefinitely! These people are truly demons in sheep’s clothing . In a great place now ❤

@SuB-gy4rb Жыл бұрын

I was first molested at 13 by my jr high science teacher who I had a crush on, he scared me off but my first “boyfriend” was a 50 year old grandfather when I was 15. Now at 60+ I can see how I ended up in a 22 year long emotionally abusive relationship and why I’m now being gaslit by everyone around me over a sexual assault that no one in my community believes happened or if it did it was my fault. It was only 2 years ago I accepted that I was even sexually abused as a kid - I’ve lived in hyper vigilant, fawning survival mode my entire life. I’m really tired…

@calliejobe2919 Жыл бұрын

You were really young and didn’t know about anything. Nobody does at 13 or 15. I’m sorry you had to go through all that or that no one has stood up for you! You didn’t deserve all that and I hope it’s getting better for you. ❤

@SuB-gy4rb Жыл бұрын

Thank you Callie ~ KZfaq has saved my sanity & I’m so grateful that these stories are being told and it’s so validating 💕

@wanputrawadi3255 Жыл бұрын

It is too much for a young girl to experince what you did. I got sexually abused by my teacher at elementry school and not only me but my other friends as well. Everyone kept silence and it never gone away at my 47th now. I hope you make progress in your healing journey

@NHorsford Жыл бұрын

I can relate because I was raped at the age of 9 by my teacher. When sex happened I didn't know what it was but it felt nice. I was groomed and the teacher became my husband . I am in my 40s and have only now been making real sense of how it all happened. My husband is a narc and has been unfaithful for the entire marriage. I am gathering information and strength right now because I want OUT! I see how everything all connects.

@JuliaShalomJordan Жыл бұрын

I’m sorry for what you’ve been through. You are not alone in this. I was SAd from a young age and gaslit myself. Don’t beat yourself up for not knowing…as that’s why abusers pick young victims.🤍🤍

@cynthiahewitt9945 10 ай бұрын

We often leave out the conversation about the asocial, psychopathological components of narcissism. Ultimately, many of us, like this lovely woman, married or were in extended relationships with high functioning sociopaths/or psychopaths. Bottomline. I think it’s easier to focus on the betrayal and our hurt and the ‘narcissist’s’ lack of empathy, than the fact that someone we loved turned out to be a DANGEROUS, con artist! Incarceration won’t reform them, but at least keeps such a person at bay from us and the rest of society. God bless you both for sharing the experience. I lived through a very similar, large scale horror (not in marriage) but the person never was caught or was held accountable. I now know it wouldn’t have mattered. Psychopaths/sociopaths don’t reform.

@christineplaton3048 7 ай бұрын

Some of us have endured the most incomprehensible situations, and did not deserve to. Entering into a relationship is very difficult in today's world. We need supportive family ( some have none ) friends, ( ditto ) ...these men sometimes keep us isolated. Today many people who are horrified by the dregs of society do not welcome new friends into their social life. It can happen that isolationism ensues. And in trying to meet others...we broken people can be ostracized by those who had healthy relationships. I'm in my sixties. It's been a cruel life. I took had these types of disordered men in my life. As stated initially in this podcast part 1, we often live in a day to day existence due to such trauma. Years go by. Life seems useless, futile, wasted, destroyed when we have no one we can trust. No one to enjoy anything with. The shock and subsequent trauma we carry with us... permanently. Dark strands woven into the tapestry of our lives. Vulnerability is every reason to be highly cautious. Positive Psychology is our only hope.

@schahrzadmorgan 10 ай бұрын

What a brave woman to share her betrayal story. I subscribed to Hulu yesterday and watched the documentary, looking for red flags. So here is my attempt to add to the conversation 1. Charm is a mask. (Personal experience, I already knew this). 2. Spencer shows zero accountability for his actions, as we saw in his letters and calls from prison. This makes me wonder how he handled disagreements in their relationship. How did he respond when she said "no" to something? Did she ever say no or was she unaware of her emotions and being the "nice girl" and avoided any conflict and thus never saw his lack of accountability? Perhaps his mask was so good that he took accountability. In that case I am baffled.

@user-ej7ln2fy4u 10 ай бұрын

My heart breaks for Jen and all his victims. I survived the Malignant Narcissist and it was absolutely devastating. Lied about everything! I cannot imagine going thru what Jen has experienced. I pray for your healing and recovery from this betrayal. Recovering from these Narcopaths is excruciating and it changes us as a person. God Bless you! 🙏🔆

@Sckvictor Жыл бұрын

If anything, this podcast has reinforced the fact of how masterful/manipulative a narcissist really is in fooling their victims without remorse. Very sad!! 😢

@AnusiaLA Жыл бұрын

This was very helpful to me. I’ve been listening to a lot of narcissistic abuse stories and a lot of it fit to what I went through with my ex… except he never verbally or physically abused me. He manipulated me, lied constantly, cheated on me and made me feel like an insane nervous wreck. I wonder why he never physically abused me because he actually did drag his ex by the hair and he was arrested for kidnapping, assault and burglary on his most current girlfriend (he started seeing while we were in marriage counseling) I always wondered why he never did anything physical to me. We had huge fights and I even punched him in the face when I walked in to him in bed with his ex. Maybe he knew I’d immediately leave if he did something to me?

@dianecole1982 5 ай бұрын

I don't think I will ever trust anybody ever again

@crazigrl85 Ай бұрын

Same lol

@lavidamia9 11 ай бұрын

Thank you for the PodCast!

@susanmcmahon4733 Жыл бұрын

BRILLIANT PODCAST, WELL WELL DONE to ALL, 👏👏👏👏did me a POWER OF GOOD, I survivor of Narcissist ABUSE.

@CanWeHeal Жыл бұрын

This makes my stomach hurt so bad

@rayeannebrewer1458 Жыл бұрын

My husband cheated with both men and women and used the same line all the time. Typical narcissistic ploys to entrap victim's.

@dimpleshah1 Жыл бұрын

Husband tried calling me with the nick name of his girlfriend. When I didn't react he stopped. He also tried to explicitly explain how he reached intercourse but didn't get down to it eventually. This girlfriend was there with him for 4 years plus.

@krishnakoliadhikary1110 3 ай бұрын

There was on red flag according to me - “We are soulmates”.

@nancyspooner-mueller8760 Жыл бұрын

My ex husband admitted he cheated with hundreds of women over our 35 year marriage. He said that he had had no intent to be faithful to me when we married. Like Jen says it does not seem so personal nor do I feel responsible in any way because he was going to do it no matter what. He used his "nice guy" to manipulate and takes no responsibility. I didn't see red flags he was such a nice guy at first got pretty awful towards the end and it was my fault.

@susanmcmahon4733 Жыл бұрын

My ex husband had no intention of staying faithful also, he picked up another woman even on our honeymoon, he went missing for 2 hours and gave me big con story when he came back, knew from day 1 i was in for a bumpy ride, divorced now and live in PEACE.

@luvphoenix956 Жыл бұрын

omg sounds like my exhusband 😢

@Tvj_films8452 10 ай бұрын

@@susanmcmahon4733sounds like that movie with Debra Messing hooking up with the scuba guy.

@annettglass7290 10 ай бұрын

They are masters of manipulation and when their lips are moving they are lying.

@annettglass7290 10 ай бұрын

True love prevails and honesty is the foundation of any lasting relationship.

@dimpleshah1 Жыл бұрын

The need to know why is he so nice to the golden child or whoever he is love bombing is so high....its almost as if I need validity from them to feel better Or maybe how can I behave for him to come back to his original person.....now I know that was an illusion

@tazgee599 Жыл бұрын

When you are Abused with all other things by a narcissist besides being cheating on you opinion on dating and loving again is Really hard! But in Andrea’s case it might be diferente… bcz the way it happened!

@elmarieterblanche2972 Ай бұрын

He was still pretending that he could not comprehend what level of hurt he caused. He is an intelligent person - he will deny deny deny.

@irenehurtig266 Жыл бұрын

Wow !

@christineplaton3048 7 ай бұрын

Even in consensual relations the resulting pain and trauma need to be recognized. To proclaim love, the highest of the emotions, the hope of bonding...when it's a lie is truly devastating. Because we cannot live a lie. These men are totally disregulated and are not living honest and true . Life is just a series of games, and women are their conquests. Likewise, there are women who damage and destroy men. It seems men have much difficulty trusting women. They seek after lustful adventures only, not knowing where to find true love nor how to cultivate it. These are very wounded times. Men and women are both being destroyed in narcissistic relationships. Families shattered. And religion turns against us. We the victimized are the unworthy. Divorce still has a terrible stigma. So no wonder churches are emptying and marriage is becoming less common. How to live a good life is the greatest question today. It's heartbreaking for those of us who had grandparents aunts and uncles that remained in committed marriages.

@alfadee45 4 ай бұрын

Thank you, I couldn’t of said any better and at the the same time to be brutally honest

@poobado 9 ай бұрын

those woman knew that she was married. It shouldn’t have matter how sweet he talked to them. Wait for him to get a divorce, with the exception of the 16 year old child.

@BeachyD Жыл бұрын

I'm just catching up on this one. I've been through the manipulation of a narc, but I still struggle with the women who knew Jenifer or knew that he was married and still had an affair with Spencer (except the underage girls, that's just wrong on his part). While I can have some empathy for their vulnerability at the time, it's still a crappy thing to do. Clearly, I still have work to do with this, because I don't think I could forgive a "friend" for this.

@tomnohmy1273 10 ай бұрын

I'm wondering if he looked like Shrek but had the same personality would the same results have occurred.

@poobado 9 ай бұрын

How are woman that cheated with a man that they knew was married…how are those woman also victims???? With the exception of the 16 year old kid.

@irenehurtig266 Жыл бұрын

I know at least 3 that kind of men.

@kez-chick5647 4 ай бұрын

Dr Ramani do you have an email please

@camadams9149 4 ай бұрын

6:09 These women were not manipulated. They knew they were engaging with a man that was betraying his partner. Context does not matter when it comes to infidelity. He made a firm commit of monogamy to the person who was his primary relationship in life. There is even a ethical way to get involved with someone else: End the relationship If someone is willing to show callous disregard for their partner & unwilling to keep their word, that person has no integrity. Engaging with a man like that would be like choosing to let Ted Bundy give you a car ride. Not only should you expect unpleasant consequences, your willful incompetence makes you deserve those consequences Now, are this women at all responsible for the infidelity? No. They did not make any promises & it is not their responsible to maintain another couple's relationship. 100% of the blame and anger for the infidelity falls on the man. That being said, I would NEVER associate with the mistress given the lack of judgement they demonstrated

@francesbernard2445 Жыл бұрын

😪

@poobado 9 ай бұрын

Why is the female narcissist never focused on? I have met so many. The sole focus on the male narc feels unbalanced

@mday3821 3 ай бұрын

I think it's because Dr. Ramani had more male narcissists in her life. I have had experience with both, but more with women.

@poobado 3 ай бұрын

@@mday3821 ….I agree with you but this unbalanced approach doesn’t prepare the public fully for what really lurks in society today.

@mday3821 3 ай бұрын

@poobado No, it doesn't! I have had women bosses who were just downright power muggers...I don't know if they were narcissists, but if I had to guess, I would say, they were. My own mother was a Covert/Malignant and people loved her all a while she was abusive to me. I agree with you. It doesn't help the public.

@jennarobinson4922 17 күн бұрын

Yes this was def psychopathy.

@poobado 9 ай бұрын

Those adult woman that cheated have no excuse if they knew he was married…I’m sorry. I don’t agree with the Doc and the woman speaking.

@24chataway 10 ай бұрын

QUEEN JENNIFER 4 PRESIDENT!!!

@joycecathey9977 Жыл бұрын

Throwing stones ladies? Maybe Jada got counseling.. maybe Dr Ramani counsels her. Maybe Jada is smart and learns from her mistakes.

@ayeyou5651 9 ай бұрын

Isn't it crazy. They act like they know her personally... I'm pretty sure most of the companies they work for are worse than what they assume Jada to be. And I bet their dislike for her is more about the actions of others around her than it is her behavior.... Just hypocrites...

@cardisea Жыл бұрын

Well if ya let em shanan once ! - their gonna Shanagain !

@ladylost2792 10 ай бұрын

grooming /ˈɡro͞omiNG/ noun 2. The practice of preparing or training someone for a particular purpose or activity. It infuriates me when I hear of people saying that the word grooming can't apply to adults, or can't apply to something where it clearly does. Children, teens, adults can all be "groomed", trained, for a specific behavior, including, and not limited to, sexual acts, submissive behavior, hiding damage/damage control.

@SWGinSWVA 4 ай бұрын

Jenifer ever ask herself why if she supposedly loved him, she dumped him, left him to marry someone else who would have his children... Could this not have been a happy marriage and family had she not been so self-centered and cruel?