Hi everyone! It's been some time since I revisited this video due to having other projects and topics requiring my attention. I have just been reminded that this video contains reference to James Somerton, who has since been found to be guilty of plagiarising other creators' material without credit or acknowledgement. I apologise for being slow on the uptake regarding this, but I wanted to make it known here that I am aware of and condemn such actions and have removed any citation to his videos from the description. I'm choosing to leave the video up as 1) it was a small tidbit of the overall discussion, and 2) I find it important for archival purposes to allow people to see what perceptions of such individuals were like prior to situations involving them becoming public. Please bear this in mind while you are watching, & have a great rest of your day 💚
@criidawg Жыл бұрын
In certain situations, you can. In others you can't. But also, it doesn't make you a bad person to enjoy a bad persons artwork. But if you support what the bad person did... Maybe.
@rewater Жыл бұрын
Exactly, my personal take is that ANYTHING that leads to undesirable outcomes in these people should be shunned or at least weighed against the benefits but not ones that lead to neutral outcomes, if there was a poet who solely used there voice for hate, it doesn't matter how much money they receive for some of their lighter takes at all, it even potentially shrinks there marketplace of ideas even to what is deemed "acceptable" if they prefer profit. I have read through tough criticisms of many 'canceled' people who obviously have many platforms, Some of their platforms directly help who they are "against" and I see no issue with growing such platforms that are prevalent enough to be mentioned in hate filled pieces. I however also see direct or indirect actions to support or antagonize their worse platforms with no real intervention as idiotic or misguided, so my opinions might not work well with big controversies.
@GhenTuongHB Жыл бұрын
It's ideal. But it's impossible in practice. There is no way I'm going to inspect every employees of every game companies whom made more than 100 games in my library to know who has how much moral high ground. It's not fair when out of the blue someone comes up condemning me for supporting something just because a security guard in one of those game companies is a wrongdoer. I wish no one had ever told me about the H.L situation so I could enjoy the game purely on its merit.
@Ghost0e Жыл бұрын
Mmh I think if enjoying that persons work requires you to contribute monetarily, like Hogwarts legacy, then you're supporting that creator whether you acknowledge it or not :[ so I view people badly if they bought it.
@kaiyodei Жыл бұрын
like with Ren&Stimpy?
@William_Nowin Жыл бұрын
@@Ghost0e I have a trans friend who bought the damn game... 💀💀
@MARIALOPEZ-eo8lz Жыл бұрын
I remember that the fandom decided that Daniel Radcliffe wrote harry potter lol
@AlechiaTheWitch Жыл бұрын
Ironicly daniel radcliff chose to say that he supports trans people and supported charities
@leirumf5476 Жыл бұрын
@@AlechiaTheWitch i think it's because of that that they decided it was him who wrote it
@AlechiaTheWitch Жыл бұрын
@@leirumf5476 fair enougj
@win-winthestubbornmage4299 Жыл бұрын
they did it with hatsune miku as well
@supercamborg4218 Жыл бұрын
@@win-winthestubbornmage4299 Oh yes, the creator of Minecraft
@poseidons_child. Жыл бұрын
Okay but can we just all absorb the look of pure disdain that Mint has on the thumbnail? Pure gold.
@Bismuguy Жыл бұрын
Her face gets better each thumbnail
@poseidons_child. Жыл бұрын
@@Bismuguy Fr
@aisudracov3314 Жыл бұрын
Another thing that makes this whole issue complicated is that while JK Rowling made Harry Potter and the setting, she's not the one who made the game. As far as I can tell, she wasn't involved with the game's creation at all. That means there's an entirely different set of artists involved with the creation of Hogwarts Legacy. Should those people be punished because someone else's intellectual property was used? That's another layer of complexity to the issue that I haven't seen brought up much.
@TerLoki Жыл бұрын
There IS that, but she's getting royalties from it and the person who was originally helming the project (and whose storyline they kept even after that person was fired) was also... Basically a white supremacist. So... Yeah, plenty of "YIKES" to go around with this game even if JK is taken out of the equation.
@EggFighterXB- Жыл бұрын
@@TerLoki Don't say "YIKES" ever again You understood that?
@Lockz1111 Жыл бұрын
@@TerLoki Rowling already got paid before the game came out, not to mention she no longer owns the rights to most things having to do with the franchise, having sold those to Warner Bros awhile ago
@Aim54Delta Жыл бұрын
So, I will go ahead and introduce myself as... I would say literally satan, but anymore, being part of a satanic cult is part of destroying the patriarchy, or something, so ... just the most horrible thing you can possibly imagine, a white male spider or whatever. I see this entire issue as rather tiring as you are constantly trying to subject people to purity tests, the standards of which seem to continuously evolve. Generally speaking, when I partake of media or of products, I look at their quality and presentation, first. Did I read Rise of the Shield Hero because it was written by a woman? No - I had no idea. It is a well written series and the characters/plot are excellent. I have no idea what the author's political views are and the range of behaviors where I would decide to "cancel" her is a pretty small list. Now, if an artist were to depict me, or people like me, in a dismissively condescending way and then being killed, or something, I might decide it's not a good idea to support someone who hates me - but the authors who do this type of thing are never really a surprise and not usually high on the quality rating, in general. The only way your conundrum makes any sense is if you view a refusal to tow the party line as being tantamount to someone being literally satan or other cosmic aberration. While, I have no doubt you can rattle off a list of reasons for why denying trans people recognition is the most evil thing since the mustache man... the simple question is where does this line of reasoning end? 20 years ago, it was a right wing conspiracy theory to suggest these types of things would be an issue if we let "love get married." Now, you are unpersoning people who refuse to say that men can become women. At what point is something you refuse to recognize as pure going to be the worst thing since the mustache man in germany? Or to what extent has your own behavior already adjusted itself out of fear of social penalty as opposed to 'your truth?'
@chestersnap Жыл бұрын
The game industry isn't a good industry to make this argument for. Many of the artists and coders were probably fired right after the game released.
@TheDemonAscended6 ай бұрын
I was a part of this trans gaming group on Facebook and left after they harassed and threatened a 14 year old trans girl for buying the new Harry Potter game, she deleted her Facebook account because they wouldn’t stop harassing her and the Admins didn’t do anything to stop the harassment. You can hate a creator, you can hate their creations, but to harass and THREATEN A CHILD because they like the creation(s) is NEVER OK!!
@Turai125 ай бұрын
Talk about failing their duty as a safe space
@aliceinwonderland8314 Жыл бұрын
It's definitely easier to separate when the artist is dead, cos when they're alive they have the ability to react and possibly do more bad things they might not have been able to do otherwise. It's impossible to vet every single artist so I can't blame anyone for not knowing. It's also good to be aware artist are people who (as people do) can grow and change, even Lovecraft got a tad bit less racist towards the end (not much but it's technically progress?). I wish some people would be kinder when explaining the harm an artist might be causing (to both the artist themselves and the consumers), but even when they are kind it doesn't necessarily get through and it can also be very exhausting/frustrating because people have a tendency to take that sort of criticism personally even when it's not. I think for a lot of cases it's best to assume no ill intent until there's good enough evidence of the contrary. If they're real jerks, be glad you at the very least got something good out of the interaction, and move on to other things that are hopefully made by less jerky people.
@SlapstickGenius23 Жыл бұрын
Robert E Howard and HP Lovecraft were buddies, which still ain’t shocking though. Unlike the definitive Japanese Lupin translator (Yoshimasa Ikeda was his birth name), they lived short lives.
@LushiferII Жыл бұрын
Firstly, I'd like to mention how well done this video is. I greatly appreciate how respectful you are with the topic, even to the side that you don't agree. Sharing your personal opinion without pushing for a cancellation or disrespecting the artists involved is great. You tried (and succeed) to maintain this debate as objective as possible and used it to actually review the topic instead of imposing your personal agenda. I love it. Regarding the question "Should we separate the artist from their art"... My personal opinion is that it depends a lot on the circumstances. If their art is being used to fund criminal activities: No, we shouldn't. It doesn't matter how good it is, we are actually participating in a crime. But this must be proven before starting a witch hunt and it must be an actual crime. If their art is not involved in any criminal activities but it's funding something that is against our moral code: Then we should stop consuming it, but we're not allowed to impose our opinion in others. We can share our discomfort with it, but everybody should have the opportunity to decide for themselves. And we must respect that. If their art is not funding anything fishy, but we still don't like the artist for X and Y behavior/idea/etc: Yes, we should separate the artist from their art. People isn't perfect as you mentioned, and it's ok if we disagree with certain standpoint or whatever but art goes beyond a single human and as long the art itself is not affecting somebody, we should appreciate it as it is. But of course that's my opinion. I'm also a trans person and I never really liked Harry Potter but my best friend loves it and it was present most of her life. For her it means something completely positive and it's not like she will suddenly start treating me different because of the author's choice, so I don't really care if she enjoys it.
@IngoLingoAnimations Жыл бұрын
Good insight.
@mysryuza Жыл бұрын
💯
@ChickinSammich Жыл бұрын
In regards to: >We can share our discomfort with it, but everybody should have the opportunity to decide for themselves. And we must respect that. What do you mean by "we must respect that?" If I share my discomfort with something someone else is doing, I accept that they have the opportunity to decide for themselves whether to continue doing it anyway or not. I don't feel like I'm obligated to respect their choice if they choose to do something I'm uncomfortable with them doing. I think that if someone chooses to respect someone who does stuff they disagree with, that's their prerogative, but I think that it's perfectly valid to say "I don't respect your choice, I think your choice is disrespectful to me, and I'm choosing to remove you from my life" if the point of contention is important to you.
@julianrobertson1869 Жыл бұрын
@@ChickinSammich that is the logical next step and is perfectly valid. But ultimately that decision is on you not the person being cut from your life.
@dragon200ism Жыл бұрын
Very well said.
@alfford6438 Жыл бұрын
The background drawing in this video was beautiful. Please don't be evil so I don't have to try and separate it from you.
@swishfish8858 Жыл бұрын
Joke's on you - the acorn hat she wears is made from REAL BABY ACORNS!!! D:
@Noblesse_Sapphire Жыл бұрын
@@swishfish8858 ohno, not the baby acorns D:
@Kris.krisis Жыл бұрын
BAHAHAHHA
@c.a.fontaine1074 Жыл бұрын
Speaking of artists that have long passed it reminds me of Dr. Seuss and how he had many racist depictions in his book. When the company publishing his work decided to change his books to leave out the racist depictions there was an uproar from conservatives complaining about how it wasn't right to change his work. Even artists that have long passed can still affect people with problematic things in their work, so sometimes it can be impossible to separate the artist from the artwork.
@Friendly_Neigborhood_Astolfo3 ай бұрын
I thought seuss decided to pull his earlier works from shelves because of the racism by his own decision before he passed.
@areafire1 Жыл бұрын
I feel like art is one of the few things under capitalism a viewer has the majority of control over. You can't always choose where you get your medicine or who you buy your groceries from, but in art the consumer has the strongest say. There are several series that I took great joy in until I found out more about the creators, and I actively can't tolerate supporting them anymore. It won't take the enjoyment I had experienced away, but I also acknowledge that I can no longer care for it the same way. I know not everyone can separate their fondness from its present form, but realizing that your active participation is hurting people or propagating hate is a must. That being said, I 100% say support ye survy dogs and if you find something that takes inspiration from that thing you loved but takes steps to point out the flaws in an insightful way without supporting the orignal creators, fucking go for it. When I was younger, I got really into SAO. It was my first experience with an isekai-esk show to that level for the time. It took a while, but I eventually found out that the og creator was someone I didn't want to support. I was sad and angry at the situation, but even more so at myself for still wanting to be able to enjoy it, despite suddenly only being able to see the flaws. Thankfully, I found some content creators that took the concept of the series and redid it in their own vision and I came to love that content far more than the original. I now look back at it and see why I liked it to begin with without the need to chase after that feeling. I'm not able to enjoy the og series ever again, but I can still take joy in the comfort it brought me at the time.
@Web720 Жыл бұрын
Art should be market-driven rather than state controlled. State control will ruin the creativity of art.
@dyastro7479 Жыл бұрын
Ur first mistake was finding out more about the creators "never meet your heroes"
@nonamegiven202 Жыл бұрын
yeah personally i can't really do "the death of the author" unless said author is dead (or has just grown as a person since then) myself, because once i'm aware of what type of person they are their work becomes recontextualized by it, JK's one note characters based on stereotypes in Harry Potter become a LOT more noticeable now for example.
@w00rmz Жыл бұрын
My main criticisms for people saying to separate art drom the artist is this: it used to be called death of the artist for a reason and a lot of the art has the artist's person beliefs shoved into it most of the time, so you can't separate the two things very easily.
@daelen.cclark Жыл бұрын
Sad, but true. Even if you can’t, at least you can learn from their failures to keep yourself from repeating it. (Does that sound like the bar is too low?)
@benjaminpedersen9548 Жыл бұрын
I think you are confusing the term with death of the author which means to not consider an artist's intended message when analysing their work.
@masonrockwood77329 ай бұрын
You meant 'death of the author'
@GabePlaysYT Жыл бұрын
I just hope that everyone can respect each other for whatever they choose. Let's save our anger and resentment for the people who truly deserve it and not point fingers at each other whether we purchase the game or not.
@youropinionsareshitandsoar1954 Жыл бұрын
Exactly. It's not like we can control what she spends her money on.
@nargames Жыл бұрын
I think this is hard, some artists are impossible to separate. If one's art heavily depicts thoughts of an artist like Homophpbia or Transphobia in the art it's self. But when it comes to JK I find it different because she never actually put any of her bigotry into her art. So in Harry Potter I say you can to an extent, as a Trans person, I say do what makes you happy. But most importantly vote with your dollar
@swishfish8858 Жыл бұрын
Ah, but she DID put her antisemitism all over it, let's not forget that transphobia isn't the only contender in the ring here.
@pabloherranz1795 Жыл бұрын
Well, there is always piracy.
@enigmaj1494 Жыл бұрын
Nah, her backwards views are clear in her fatphobia and colonialist ideas of other cultures in/post the books. Her suspicion of men and masculine women is also baked into the text (meanwhile Moaning Mertle does straight-up peek in on Harry bathing.)
@undefinederror40404 Жыл бұрын
Sometimes people forget though, that they can access most of the HP content without supporting Rowling. Buying second hand and pirating are options, heck libraries still exist and have a lot of HP stuff. In this case, if you use those pathways you're not giving Rowling _anything_ . And if you refuse to give her and her franchise attention on social media, then you might be able to circumvent this whole thing. Except for one aspect.... Her views have defenitely left their marks on her work. There is quite a lot of terrible stuff in there, as the other commenters here mentioned. Wasn't Hermoine ridiculed for wanting to stop the wizarding world's version of slavery? I've seen quite some memes on that 😅
@smilingearth5181 Жыл бұрын
@@enigmaj1494 Yeah, I wonder why people keep overlooking Rowling's blatant misandry in her work. Almost every male in her books is either a spineless coward, incompetent buffoon, straight-up evil or has some dark ulterior motive for being friends with Harry, who himself is only two steps down from being a Mary Sue.
@kurathchibicrystalkitty5146 Жыл бұрын
Cinderella with a pumpkin wheelchair! That's so perfect! 😀
@Dinoslay Жыл бұрын
”I also won’t be going into the recent situation surrounding certain Vtubers since that’s a whole other discussion with a lot going around it.” In a sense I believe that you definitely should. One wrongdoing does not justify another. It only misrepresents everyone and makes them look bad to each other. Is that what we really want?
@sebastianherrera6514 Жыл бұрын
Oh boy i sure do love this artist, i wonder what their world views are- -everybody
@lilmerlilmer7203 Жыл бұрын
Unrelated to the video topic, the art is amazing. I love the swirly details. So pretty!
@mk-aka-morgan8386 Жыл бұрын
I adore the drawing in this video, it’s so pretty 🥺🥺🥺 Also, this topic is pretty nuanced and I think you handled it perfectly. I don’t personally feel comfortable with separating the art from artists when it comes to JK Rowling, GRLWOOD, Mindless Self Indulgence, Shane Dawson, etc. I think it’s fine to separate the art with artists with people like Thomas Astruck though, it heavily depends on what they did wrong and how badly it’s effected others.
@blaa6 Жыл бұрын
I'm usually able to separate art from artists and creations from creators. I can do that with HP for example but I never really cared about HP to begin with.
@NoiseDay Жыл бұрын
Some thoughts I cannot articulate better because I have a cold (TLDR Eat the rich): We are putting a lot of importance in money in this conversation, but not talking as much about the social and political impact of the work itself. With a digital artist, you can just say "I'm not buying their art" and leave it at that. It takes a lot more opinion and conjecture to get a particular meaning out of illustration, in my opinion. In a book, however, the author is describing the characters' thoughts and dictating their actions. At the end of the story, there is a particular lesson to be taught, whether it's nuanced or not. A series like Harry Potter has many lessons spread throughout the novels of varying quality. The problem with JKR right now is that she's not dead and so buying HP products does funnel through to supporting anti-trans hate. But if she were dead, what would a modern audience be gaining from her works? I feel like that's what a lot of analysis videos are getting at when they pick apart the books. There are obviously positive themes about perseverance and some anti-bullying and some anti-discrimination. There are also obvious themes about fatphobia and slavery. Of course an author can't check themselves at the door every time they sit down to write to ensure that nothing problematic gets in. But there is such a thing as sensitivity readers and beta readers and editors who check your work before it is published. I am a lazy and self-centered audience member. I do not care who was involved in making some of my favorite works or the context in which those works were made. I want a nice story that has some juicy drama that makes me feel good when it's over. This reminds me of our current issue with environmental damage and climate change. Who is responsible for the immeasurable impact that plastic production has had on the planet: the people who buy plastic products without thinking, or the people who continue to produce them when they know the impact their products have? From this angle, I would argue that the party responsible in the case of the Harry Potter mobile game is the company that chose to sign on to making the game in the first place, knowing what impact it could have. They don't care about the impact they leave on the social and political environment. They care about making money. There is a degree of responsibility in those who buy the game, talk about it, and encourage their friends to buy it. There is responsibility in those who see a vegetable wrapped in plastic and a vegetable with no packaging and choose the plastic. However, I believe these people are at the very bottom of a complex chain. Those at the top have the most impact and the most responsibility and we should stop arguing amongst ourselves about who is responsible for the drama while the people at the top count their dollars and donate them to hate groups.
@kaiserdragon7233 Жыл бұрын
Hello, I'm new to channel. I'll leave my two cents. Can you separate the art from the artist? For most cases, yes you can. Especially if there's a community dedicated to it that's isn't dependent on the author. That being said, there Is a line you shouldn't cross. Where that line is and the consequences of stepping over it, very from art to art. You must decide where that line should be and it's on you to not cross it base on your own beliefs, and try to inform others (not condemning them) about the subject. Like you did in the video. It's a good example on what you should do. However, getting a full community to do the same is a whole other thing. Especially when you get the bad eggs being louder than majority. The whole drama surrounding Hogwarts legacy did alot more damage than good. From a outside perspective, people can easily run assumptions about it and take an uninform stance. What I'm getting at is to watch your own actions and words. The things you do, believing might help someone may actually hurt them in the long run. And for everything that good. Please don't harassment people or make threats.
@melqartiii8981 Жыл бұрын
Amazing comment. Thank you.
@HenrythePaleoGuy Жыл бұрын
Fully agree. You can do it, absolutely, but the extent of it and how you treat it will vary depending on the media and what it represents.
@Tallame_Longstory Жыл бұрын
Recent years have made me really happy I never got into Harry Potter
@critter_core Жыл бұрын
6:43 Somebody made a tweet that I found very interesting. It was about many popular trans supporters, especially trans positivity accounts, that quote retweet transphobic content, only to defend trans people, which has a good intention, but is bringing transphobic content to trans people. Many say it's just better to ignore these kind of people, and 'ratio-ing' isn't worth hurting trans people who don't want to or ever should have to see the kind of content you're 'backlashing' against...
@StoryTeller796 Жыл бұрын
Oh, Duke of Dorks has some friends who worked on Hogwarts Legacy, so I wonder if he would have anything to say on that.
@Fionapollo Жыл бұрын
Oh wow really? I can't imagine what the people who worked on the game think about JK, it must be pretty conflicting
@StoryTeller796 Жыл бұрын
@Fionapollo Yeah, Duke stated it on an episode of his Duo podcast with Designing For (Design Dorks Gaiden), in which he hoped that people would give the game a chance since people were working their hearts out into the game. I don't want to say anything else since I don't remember much about the podcast nor which episode it was, though I remember that it was made around 2022, so last year, and that it was a very short section. Aside from that, I don't remember anything else. Also, I believe that with enough creativity, any work can be separated from its own author. I mean, just look at games and fandoms such as Undertale or Five Nights at Treasure Island or any other fan created work. I believe it to not only be possible, but inevitable. Well, except for capitalism.
@anna.owo. Жыл бұрын
@@Fionapollo the game apparently has trans characters and the mc can be trans so i think the team is not transphobic but they could just do it for the public image, we never know
@undefinederror40404 Жыл бұрын
@@anna.owo. eitherway, if that is really true it's nice because we know Rowling would hate that. But if that's real, I'm surprised that didn't come up in discussions more often..
@displaythis3805 Жыл бұрын
@@anna.owo. It’s good to cover your bases. I don’t think Fiona is transphobic but they could say it for the public image, we never know.
@BaobhanloreArt Жыл бұрын
My personal opinion: I used to be a serious potter head. It helped me I bond with other people and I had so many harry potter accessories. Especially golden snitch jewelry. I can absolutely understand the feeling of loving it and having complicated feelings surrounding the creator. But at around the time I was finding out about these creations, I started getting into other fandoms and even supporting smaller artists. I think the turning point was WEBTOON, since I started reading a variety of stories from people all over the world, but I also started to realise that there's so many forms of entertainment in the world. So many books, movies, games, and merchandise that explores similar themes to Harry Potter but better with unique visuals and creators who are part of a minority themselves. In short, you don't have to be a fan of Harry Potter. It's not the only source of entertainment out there. I can guarantee you've got shows, movies, games, or books you haven't engaged with yet. Hell, I put off reading Shiloh, a webcomic from two of my current favourites artists for over a year! Just because I was hesitant to expand my boundaries! Expand your entertainment beyond the mainstream and known. Harry Potter is a small speck on the surface of the ocean of art.
@HenrythePaleoGuy Жыл бұрын
100% There's so many awesome works out there, many of which I only got into recently. Great to broaden your horizons with art and media. :)
@undefinederror40404 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for putting in the time and work to phrase it all so well and make this great video! Really appreciate it :)
@aleksanikolic8362 Жыл бұрын
I find it quite alarming that I have a hard time separating the art from the artist. Kudos for trying to find a reason for the problem that many people find while consuming art.
@1.1edf30 Жыл бұрын
I like watching your vids while drawing. Thank you for more content🗿
@usagi2076 Жыл бұрын
I personally find hard for myself to separate art from the artist, if an artist make something really bad in real life this makes hard for me to keep enjoying they creation but i wouldn't go hating someone just for liking someone creation just because i don't like the artist.
@smilingearth5181 Жыл бұрын
For me, if I found out someone whose work I liked is a piece of shit, that's the moment I stop supporting them with any consumption on my end. I did it with Elon Musk, Hugh Hefner, Amber Heard and plenty of others.
@thomasffrench3639 Жыл бұрын
I find it really hard to not separate the art from the artists. I’m not huge on the film industry or other entertainment industries as they are super shady, and f’d up, but I love filmmaking.
@shelbybayer200 Жыл бұрын
I'm glad to see people actually saying things about this that isn't just instantly throwing stupid complaints and instead just talking about the Concept and their thoughts
@wolfhowl983 Жыл бұрын
For me, when it comes to whether or not you should still "support an artist", who has horrible views, it tend to depend whether or not they are using their money/social power to further that view or if they are more silent about it. Like take two theoretical examples: Artist A: Says some misogynistic crap in an interview because he gets a bit too comfortable and honest. Artist B: Routinely use their Twitter, Facebook, and similar to spread misogynistic views. Openly supports misogynistic campaigns and public figures. I'd never want to buy anything related to artist B, because I wouldn't want to support their political fight. While I would still buy from artist A, if I thought their stuff was good, but critique their views. Hoping they will change their stance through dialogue with their fans over time. However, even if artist A never changes, I don't see me purchasing their stuff as supporting misogyny, because they aren't actively promoting it. And if I love their art and the community around it, they have managed to write something that doesn't include it, but spreads a lot of other positive elements. Though for Artist A, I wanna make sure I only buy the stuff they make that I like. Wouldn't support an Artist A-type on patreon or other subscription based models... Wanna make sure I get their quality stuff, and not the stuff where their more undesirable traits bleed through.
@wolfhowl983 Жыл бұрын
@@youtubesupportsfascism Go away troll. Your disingenuousness is embarrassingly clear. At least try to engage with the thought process instead of a word. Misogyny being one example, could just as easily be replaced with any other negative element I disagree strongly with. I'm not even in the US, I'm in a country where no political party can get 2% of the vote if they openly oppose abortion rights. So even the "religious" parties try to avoid talking about it if journalists ask during interviews.
@flashbang7910 Жыл бұрын
I personally don’t agree with a lot of the opinions put out in this video, but thank you for wording it clearly and respectfully. Wishing you the best.
@fennelfin Жыл бұрын
I think I might actually have trauma involving this, I feel horribly guilty whenever I save a person's art and find out later they're a bad person, as if saving it means I condone their actions even if I didn't know at all beforehand. It happens in real life too, I don't make seventy percent of the jokes I want to because I am scared they mean something that I am not aware of.
@swishfish8858 Жыл бұрын
That honestly sounds unhealthy. if I were you, I'd talk to someone about that, try to work some shit out. If it's stopping you from enjoying your daily life, it's a problem...
@fennelfin Жыл бұрын
@@swishfish8858 Okay. I'm in therapy anyways so I'll bring it up next time I go thank you
@Hack_Man_VII Жыл бұрын
I honestly feel it depends on the artist, and the art. I like to apply a 3 question system to keep it as simple as possible. 1- What exactly did the artist do? 2- What is the art in question? 3- Does the quality of the art justify the effort to separate it from the artist? On that note, there are a lot of things I personally can't enjoy anymore. I don't like it, but it's hard to appreciate something under the circumstances
@MelodyCrystel Жыл бұрын
The part about differentiating between living and dead artists is in most cases hypocrisy. 》Unless you go out of your way to interact with said artist, they don't even know of your existence - thus won't be aware of what you think about their stuff. (And I am quite certain most loud people have just a big mouth but not the self-confidence to actually seek confrontation.) Plus, picking up the example of Sakimichan, you can appreciate her work without paying a single Cent for it or sharing links, whereby her financial success won't be influenced by your action.
@idlydog1232 Жыл бұрын
TBH I think you should've included Jessie Gender's "I'm done with JK Rowling" video in ur description as well because it's a trans woman talking about why J.K has harmed us trans ppl so much.
@Fionapollo Жыл бұрын
That's a very good point, I even watched her video too. I'll add it on 👍
@JH-pe3ro Жыл бұрын
I think the reason why this is a topic for the now times, specifically, is because of the fan/consumer relationship to IP. We're in a situation of "buying our identities" for the same reason that the creators of popular works are in the business of "selling people's beliefs back to them". That has all kinds of implications for the kind of person who is a fan and wants the art to work better for them, i.e. say the message they *want* it to say and not the thing it literally says. "Kirk Drift" - the normalizing of a fictional character or setting into a form different from its original portrayal - is everywhere if you start looking for it. There are options to handle this drift when it occurs in yourself. Once you've decided something doesn't work for you, you can shun it. It doesn't even get to be reassigned to Hatsune Miku, it just doesn't exist, you don't acknowledge it, and you don't know who the author is - and if someone challenges you on that you can be like, "yeah, when I was a BABY I liked it". If you're still on the fence of "I like the work and hate the author", that's a little more like muttering "I sure do hate this business that I rely on", because in some sense, you do rely on it: the overall message still works for you, so it's up to you to steal credit from the author however you want - the matter is purely about your sense of justice. And if you're making fanfic and AUs, you're actually doing some folk storytelling by taking an old work and patching it up. Do enough of that and it will effectively stop being the original. But in creating the new work, you also gradually drift away from the fan context, because the idea of fandom is very "all together now" collective belief - it's a volatile thing that gets upset by anyone coming in and making changes to the story.
@JayTohab Жыл бұрын
More than anything, I'm just tired of cancel culture. I don't really care about context for cancelling a person or a group of people. That said, I think we're psychologically programmed to want to publicly ostracize those we don't like, because it's supposed to be a defense mechanism against letting dangerous folks do bad things. But historically, almost every community in existence has at some point practiced public ostracism over matters that shouldn't have warranted such an extreme. Main difference, cancel culture is a worldwide phenomenon now, and it only really hurts those who aren't topping the economic food chain. Not to mention, the bigger the community, the less capacity for nuance. It's one of the reasons why some people get frustrated when a thing they like becomes mainstream- it typically shrinks the existing scope of interpretation and discussion. So far as the big recent controversy goes, the best case scenario I've seen has come from those who consciously choose not to make the lives of others miserable over the issue, and instead recommend their personal favorite alternatives. The best cure for trends we don't like isn't censorship or boycotting (though I do support these as personal rights), but diversity- adding to the pool of what's available, and even using stuff you don't like to inspire things you do. Some of my best creative projects have been sparked by works I thought could be better, then working off the premise until the results were more original than not. Sorry for the wall of text. TL;DR, imo, it's better to not attack people, unless they're breaking the law (and even then, be wary of the evidence, don't go looking for reasons to hurt people). Instead, focus on healthier ways to get satisfaction, like helping the things that make you happy grow. What ultimately matters is that the more art we salvage/create, the better the art is going to get, and the artist is always going to die.
@mikel3510 Жыл бұрын
You have TWO talents. Your art and your commentary. People like you are hard to find
@JaxlaOnlo Жыл бұрын
In my honest opinion, the best way to separate a work from someone horrible or controversial is just to make something like it without all the terrible stuff the original material had. Take only what you believed to be good.
@TheNightmareRider Жыл бұрын
I'm a writer, and I put a lot of thought into making sure my characters avoid representing hurtful stereotypes. Even when it's unintentional, we can't risk cultivating ideas that harm already vulnerable minorities. As you said, H.P Lovecraft's works are now in the public domain, and Lovecraft himself is long gone. We recognise how harmful his racism was and most of us understand the work in the context of the time it was made. As such, the only people who I think are excused from buying anything Harry Potter related are kids. They don't fully understand how bigotry can be indirectly hurtful, as their view of the world is obviously much simpler. The best we can do is try to direct them to alternatives which may cultivate better ideas. While indeed there are always going to be grey areas with works based on the fantasy worlds of bigots, and we all have problematic faves, there comes a point where we as adults have to accept responsibility for our actions. If someone's support for transgender people (like myself) begins and ends at a video game, then I'm sorry to say they were never allies to begin with.
@Funni-guy99 Жыл бұрын
I hate these butthurt zoomers, just do what you want, does it truly matter, in the end we’re all gonna die anyways
@StudioNama Жыл бұрын
Never forget, Joanne went full mask-off already. She had a traumatic experience with a man, had dysmorphia (I think?) when she was younger, and just never got over it. A wise, bearded asshole once said, "the worst people would rather make their hang ups your problem than go to therapy", and I have yet to hear a rebuttal to that.
@azadalamiq Жыл бұрын
in her time women and young girls were often blamed for their abuse, not believed in, and therapy not readily available or even existed... when i was 4 i was SA'ed by 3 men, incest was involved and was during the tail end of the US daycare hysteria... none of my abusers went to jail., and was forced to live with them. all this due to policies made to not have young young kids testify in a court of law. also add to the fact that, half my family felt i was lying... then you have therapist whom are not qualified to do their job. When i was trying to see if I had autism or not at age 28... the therapist i tried to get a phycologist referral from told me point blank "autism means you do not talk well... but you talk find you don't have autism" i come to find out the clinic does nothing with autism.. and used me to make profit... as i had keot repeatedly told them i was looking into being tested for autism. hell even some of the therapist i had when i was younger did not handle talks over me SA well... >.>;; i had very few good therapist when talking about that... one tried to police my speech, one kept trying to make me start from square one after nearly 5 years of working through it... while another was a resident just recently started practice... with each new therapist i had to start from square 1 and keep reliving my SA by having to talk about it -_-;; that doesn't help.
@StudioNama Жыл бұрын
@Aza Hokkaido it may have been hard when she was younger to get a good therapist, or get therapy at all, but it's 2023, and she's a grown ass woman. If she's actively not putting in the effort to tackle these mental hang-ups, then that's her problem, and again, she's making it OUR problem. I know the caveats of gaining access to mental health, but you still have to try if you know you're clearly going through stuff.
@Torthrodhel Жыл бұрын
I honestly care a bit less about whether or not someone gets money from something, than what message it sends out to be accepting of it. On the one hand, art gets underrated in terms of importance a lot. On the other hand, there really are more important things in life than art. You gotta draw lines and have standards, or you're disrespecting your own discernment. Two things that are frequently missed! First one is: it isn't always possible to do the separation, even if you feel it's right to - emotions and reasoning are two completely different things. You can absolutely feel nothing about one thing you know isn't right, and feel devastated by another thing you know is less wrong than the first thing. We're complicated humans. Other thing is this: the way things get celebrated gives out this impression of a few precious diamonds at the tippy-top of their game with nobody else coming close, but the reality couldn't be further from the truth. If you love something problematic (and we all very likely have and even quite likely still do), there is ALWAYS something else out there without those problems. It's just a matter of going out of the comfort zone of stuff that's well known and widely talked about. Or even, making a new thing yourself (even if it's only for yourself). I'm messy too. Some things bother me more than others just like with anyone. It's unhealthy to deny when something does, none of us should go around encouraging each other to bottle stuff up for fear of looking weak. Look weak! That's strong, much stronger than pretending otherwise. Fail and crash and be proud of the chaos and the indulge in the learning. Saving face might just be the root cause of the vast majority of social problems. I have very strong opinions, mostly falling on the side of tending to throw stuff out and say screw this person and screw that person. Others will fall in a different place along the spectrum, and that's all good so long as you know you actually thought about it and it sits right with you.
@batmospheric Жыл бұрын
It’s a necessary skill to separate art from artist, we as humans are not characters written for the screen that either fall into “good” or “evil” sides. People definitely develop sets of behaviors that make their actions more good or bad, but we’re also always changing. That’s what folks need to remember, everyone and anyone is capable of change and may either come to surprise you or disappoint you. The real issue isn’t in whether or not you can consume art ethically if you disagree with its creator, it’s idolization. So many artists today (writers, singers, actors) get idolized, and when they inevitably disappoint someone, suddenly they are terrible and all this hate goes up against them and anyone who might still enjoy their work, worse than if they were just seen as [insert job title]. Stop putting people on pedestals, stop thinking that we live in a world of easy answers, it’s easier to try and live as a good person than a moral one … everyone inherently knows what it means to be good, but morals are often tied up in a social agenda that may not necessarily benefit said society. Just look at the Catholic Church’s history. That’s my two cents anyway. And obviously, I’m not saying to consume everything blindly, but the difference between JK talking about biology and … let’s say someone using their money to fund a human trafficking organization … is much different. One is based on how it makes you, as an individual, *feel*. The other actively destroying someone’s life. So I guess I would also add that a good dose of common sense and the ability to weigh things objectively instead of personally would be another thing we should work on as consumers And before anyone can start, don’t come at me with the argument that how you feel can actively bring down your lived experience. I suffer a lot of anxiety, and it makes me project this idea in my head that I’m always beings seen negatively. But I grew up and realized that my emotions aren’t reality, and if I didn’t learn how to control them it would destroy me. You are responsible for managing your emotions, nobody else, and how twisted you get about someone’s comments who doesn’t even know you personally is an issue you have to work out on your own time
@anony_apis Жыл бұрын
The ending art looks so good! Also i thought that jk had no part in making the game at all?
@Hawkatana Жыл бұрын
She makes money from the royalties of the game, as she does with every HP product ever released.
@quinndepatten4442 Жыл бұрын
I'm typically of the opinion that one should prioritize their own enjoyment and value. I don't think I can be moved on separating the art from the artist mostly because they're literally different things, but also due to the fact that I don't really think "good" and "bad" perpetuate "good" or remove"bad." However, I do like hearing Fiona's balanced presentation.
@harrypotteryescaillouno45Ай бұрын
I usually separate art from the artist. Harry Potter is what I read from 6 to 7th grade behind my religious mom’s back. I didn’t care about the author and heard that she retcons things only for attention. All I see of her is desperation no matter how negative her image is.
@writeon2593 Жыл бұрын
Your drawing reminds me of a character I'm making. She is a dark twist on Cinderella and (in reference to the original story in which the stepsisters' feet were cut apart) she lost both of her feet in an accident. She's also a witch and focuses on fire magic to be just like her mother who died in that same accident. She is still treated poorly by her step family and when the ball arrives and she is forced to stay home, she wishes for nothing more than to dance. A spirit hears her and creates a golden pair of shoes for her and, pretending to be her mother's ghost, claims that not only will the slippers fit, but that they will allow her to walk and dance like she used to before the accident. She jumps at the chance, but, by putting on the slippers, is possessed by the malevolent spirit. She is then blamed for the damage caused by the spirit's fiery rampage, but is proven innocent and even taken in by the queens of the kingdom to be their first magic wielding knight. Through this, she finds where she truly belongs in the world and is able to fight just like any other knight, despite her disability. I hope that this counts as good representation.
@keo_bas Жыл бұрын
I can agree with case by case. Though I believe people should by default be able to separate the art from the artist. With that being said.....what the hell is people appeal to HP franchise to this day? The franchise seem stagnate an hasn't evolved like other media properties like TMNT, Sonic, MLP, and few others. I adore how Harry Potter was digestible book in my youth to appreciate reading, but once you go into other literature work and other story about magic, Harry Potter becomes underwhelming in comparison. I don't scoff it for that since it seems that what the book was their for, an introduction to story telling for above average reading folks.
@TetsuDeinonychus Жыл бұрын
Yeah, HP always seemed ok but pretty overrated to me.
@mosorireayewale2820 Жыл бұрын
I mean Sonic and TMNT haven't really evolved either? There's "more" of it but they've been very consistent, or as you put it stagnant. Harry Potter has a lot of very interesting stuff in it that holds up even once you're not a kid (the series meditations on the power of love, destiny and fear stand out to me) and the series is extremely good at making you feel like a child. My mom-a conservative christian who usually doesn't like magic in movies--watched the Harry Potter movies and really liked it, and she's well past the target age. Plus, the worldbuilding and lore is amazingly intricate and detailed, much more so than the franchises you mentioned. Obviously Sonic and TMNT have their fair share of interesting lore but with Harry Potter it runs really deep (and it helps that the series mystery plotlines give fans a reason to care about the small details).
@mjwolf9529 Жыл бұрын
Everyone should just take one second to consider all the horrible things other people do that we never learn about.
@alwaysapirateroninace443 Жыл бұрын
Alsimo to remember, living artists can grow & change.
@SinShady. Жыл бұрын
A lot of people say “support the art not the artist” but I’ve always seen them support the artist by buying/supporting said product. I mean look at the chocolate industry which almost exclusively runs on child/slave labor. People don’t care as long as they get the thing they want. Most people are too lazy to find something else to support. It takes too much time and effort for them to find something else worthwhile because they want convenience. Whenever I explain this I always get a lot of backlash from people not open to this perception. I almost exclusively get hate for saying this: Your purchases matter. Your decisions to support certain companies and ideologies matter. If you want to turn a blind eye for the sake of convenience and get the product you want… I really don’t believe you have the right to ever say how you want the world to be. You have no right to say you want peace or a better world for everyone when you knowingly directly or indirectly support horrible people. Sorry, but most of you still support the artist even when saying the quote “support the art not the artist.” You still watch their content, you still buy their products. You support the art AND the artist. It’s extremely hard to divorce the two unless you… well ya know pirate their stuff, but that’s another story.
@amethystimagination3332 Жыл бұрын
While I don’t think you’re wrong, I do think you’re being pretty unrealistic. Ethical consumption is a very complicated subject and you’re holding people to a standard you yourself can’t uphold. You mentioned child labour in the chocolate industry, but you watched this video on your phone/ laptop etc which was also made by child labour. You could’ve gone to the library to avoid having to pay Apple, Microsoft etc. directly, but that would be inconvenient so you bought your own. By your own logic you also support child labour and aren’t allowed to advocate against it. When it comes to art vs. the artist, there’s millions artists out there who make billions of art pieces. Whether or not a work should be supported depends on a variety of factors, whether or not the artist can still profit, how bad the thing they did is, have they grown since they did the bad thing and even more. Again I don’t think you’re completely wrong, I just think you need to have a little more grace for the average consumer. There are people who turn a blind eye out of greed sure. But there’s many more out there who turn a blind eye because there are no other options, or simply lack the knowledge. Most people do want peace and for things to improve, but it’s really hard to do that in this system and the average person can’t be 100% ethical all the time.
@SinShady. Жыл бұрын
@@amethystimagination3332 I’m not speaking of necessities like phones, or computers. We need those and don’t have a choice, everyone needs a phone. I’m speaking about optional media conception, or again, chocolate. There is ethically produced chocolate for not even that much more money. I do in fact uphold this. I don’t buy optional items or goods that were unethically produced. When I buy chocolate it’s from companies who don’t exploit children. Sorry to say, but you can in fact make good decisions. No one is forcing you to support an artist who has done and continues to do terrible things.
@SinShady. Жыл бұрын
@@amethystimagination3332 And for the point of the artist. Like you said, there’s a lot of artist, I’d rather support those who are actually good people since there’s so much art.
@amethystimagination3332 Жыл бұрын
@@SinShady. I do agree you can buy ethically produced products, I buy vegan makeup for that reason. But I also think it’s important to keep in mind that the majority of people are simply uninformed, and you can’t always assume bad intent from people for choosing what’s available to them. I think most people are trying to do good, but don’t have the proper tools or education to do it.
@SinShady. Жыл бұрын
@@amethystimagination3332 Yea totally. If they’re uninformed that’s understandable. But a lot of people who are informed simply justify it. My comment is really going after those who are informed and still proceed to support bad business practices.
@CrabyMan Жыл бұрын
Yeah, the legacy drama was definitely a shitty situation. I'm also glad that some of the streamers that got bullied for playing made sure to say that just because it happened dosen't mean their community gets to be transphobic as a response. Of course, not everyone listened, but hopefully, it's dying down now.
@devilheartcandy Жыл бұрын
Slight question: Can you separate an artstyle from the art? Let’s say the piece is problematic but it has an artstyle which appeals to you. Is it wrong to appreciate that cause of how the artstyle is used?
@birthdayfruitecake8158 Жыл бұрын
This was well spoken; thank you for making this. We all need to remember that a lot of things have their roots dug down deep somewhere. Apparently J. K. Rowling during all this at one point gloated that she sleeps well at night from the revenue made from Harry Potter royalties... so, I doubt that I'll ever support the franchise.
@trombonekid1998 Жыл бұрын
It's always going to be difficult to consume any kind of media in a truly ethical fashion, especially works you're emotionally invested into. As you said, a lot of LGBT+ and other ostracized groups enjoyed Harry Potter for the escapist fantasy it offers, and when you're told that you can't enjoy the franchise because it's author is transphobic, it feels like they're attacking your identity. This is hardly exclusive to the Harry Potter fandom, any media that has it's creator eventually come out as problematic can evoke this reaction from its fanbase. Personally, I don't think it's possible to ethically enjoy a piece of media, even if it's creator is problematic. Most media is big enough that you can recognize the good parts you enjoy while acknowledging that the problematic parts exist. And if you want to take it a step further, the most ethical way to consume such media is to put your effort towards combatting the problematic views the author has. You can't avoid truly unethical consumption, but putting your efforts towards making sure marginalized voices are heard and everyone can live without fear of being dehumanized, you're definitely doing more good in the world than the harm whatever pocket change J.K. Rowling gets from your copy of Hogwarts Legacy will ever produce.
@sapphirewriter8349 Жыл бұрын
Hope you feel better soon. I say it really depends. Harry Potter is almost at the Disney level in terms of popularity and you can't expect everyone to know of the drama or even want to be involved in it because as I will tell you being in drama is draining and life is too short to keep up with said drama. I would definitely try not to support it via money, lucky for me I'm more of a casual fan and JK Rowlings reasons to hating the trans community are just so stupid and illogical and of course hurtful. I wouldn't witch hunt people who enjoy any Harry Potter related thing though. You never know the reasons and you especially can't blame families with kids for enjoying it. The parents may not be aware, they're just trying to make their kids happy. When we were kids we didn't know that we were supporting an unethical crazy person and even to this day with the internet we still can't expect everyone to know or even care as our crazy lives make it hard to want to even get involved. We can't stop all of the evil in the world, just call it out and do our best to support better behaviors in society.
@Oceane1803 Жыл бұрын
It's a real real shame because Hogwarts Legacy seems like an awesome game, with a great story, great characters, great mystery and fun gameplay... And even as a trans woman, I wanna play it, because it seems fun. But then it would end up being detrimental to me and other trans people. Well my father, who is fine with all trans people existing EXCEPT me because he knows me personally and raised me as a boy (what kind of reasoning is that ? 😭), will buy it either way and I can't really fight against that. I guess I'll just enjoy the game as well.
@MrAaaaazzzzz00009999 Жыл бұрын
good, go play it then. the transformer cult really needs to go away.
@ThatOneMotherfucker Жыл бұрын
I say still play the game. Not really detrimental to trans people if you buy a game that JK Rowling has no involvement with. You enjoying a game is not going to put people into trauma or harm. Alot of people on Twitter who say that crap are doing it for clout and want to control your money. Actually I advocate to play the game because those folks have gone insane to the point of harassing people offline, actually drove a trans person to commit self end for daring play the game, a vet admitting she committed war crimes and comparing them to playing the game, and folks literally using a trans girl's death to justify boycotting the game and Rowling had no part of. Honestly based from some of the trans folks I know, the "activist" actions have done way more harm to trans folks than a game would ever do. In all honesty, i really am not for trying to cancel JK Rowling because essentially, you will be doing the very thing that the fire and brimstone Westboro orthodox religious nuts tried to do when Harry Potter came out. The whole cancel JK Rowling thing already happened in the 2000s when they are trying to demonize Rowling and say anybody who read/watch her series worshiped Satan. And frankly I do not want to give the satisfaction of them getting what they want.
@Hawkatana Жыл бұрын
@@ThatOneMotherfucker She still makes money off the game, and Rowling herself outright said that any HP product bought is an explicit endorsement of her views. So basically everything you just said can and should be disregarded.
@Hawkatana Жыл бұрын
It's not even worth it regrdless of the shitty people it's attached to. The game about wizards and magic has less spells than Skyrim: a game criticised for its lack of spells does in a single category, and most of them are just reskins anyway.
@Kraxel-North Жыл бұрын
@@Hawkatana...and? How is that the case just because she said so? Is the money going to some anti-trans-people organization or something?
@aliceannredacted1572 Жыл бұрын
You handled this really well!
@ofanichan Жыл бұрын
Well made video! Glad that you talked about it 💕
@000Dragon50000 Жыл бұрын
On a more serious reply to the video, I completely agree and this puts my thoughts on the matter much more clearly than I could put them.
@xXJoeyXxcoooool Жыл бұрын
You deserve way more subscribers😊
@SpaceFlamingo07 Жыл бұрын
Theres also the fact that boycotting the game would hurt the developers more than Rowling, who wasn’t even involved in development, and the fact that she makes so much more off of the theme parts that it seems futile to me to do anything concerning the game. She just wouldn’t feel a thing.
@teamchaos5101 Жыл бұрын
They already got paid when the game was complete. This is just how game development works
@grimtheghastly8878 Жыл бұрын
I feel like in the case of Harry Potter it's literally impossible to separate the art from the artist because a). Joanna has quite literally made her art a part of her personality and her ideology. She sites the fact that Harry Potter is still popular as proof that her transphobia is justified. And b). even if you were to separate the art from the artist, so much of her bigotry is in the text that it's neigh impossible to read it without the context of Joanne being a horrible person. All of the books in the original series contains some leave of misogyny, fatphobia, racism, antisemitism, general xenophobia, and absolutely no desire to understand or address the neoliberal structures present within the world of Harry Potter to the extent that it's really difficult to read these books in a vacuum and not notice or take concern with any of it. It's the HP Lovecraft effect. You can like Lovecraft's art but also accept that the guy was a raging white supremacists and a lot of the basis for the type of horror he's known for writing comes from his bigotry and fear of people being different than him and it's impossible for a person to separate his art from his beliefs. It doesn't mean you can't enjoy his work, I do. It's just means you can't ignore the baggage of the artist
@Temperans Жыл бұрын
I find the idea of not separating art from the artist as a default to be kind of insane and entitled. It feels to me like people being way to self-absorbed into how they want people to be that they want everything related to the people that doesn't fit that mold to be removed. Its honestly the same type of logic used by racists, cults, and all those weird groups trying to control what their "allies" see. Furthermore, just because something was made by a bad person does not make the thing, they made bad. Just like something made by a good person does not make the thing they made good. Our modern world would be impossible without the combined effort of everyone before us, and boy were ancient people horrible. So, should we just throw away everything because at some point it was connected to some problematic person? NO! That would be actually insane. You don't have the moral high ground because you want to delete art connected to someone you dislike. I would say that person is actually stuck in the weeds along with the person they hate so much.
@Stormrains372 Жыл бұрын
This, very much this. Too many times I've encountered and argued with people like this, and...every time I try to tell them "Hey, the art is not the artist, you don't have to treat it like garbage because the artist is a garbage person" ,they just don't get it for some reason, or try to come up with some half assed excuse like "Well, the artist still makes money from this so the art is still tied to that person!!" Wish I understood how tf they come up with that answer and then expect me to change my entire mindset to accept that.
@Temperans Жыл бұрын
@@Stormrains372 easy. They don't like something, and want no one to like it either because "I don't like it".
@masonrockwood77329 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for this boss take, reading through these comments was getting really depressing. It shouldn't even be a debate, enjoy what you enjoy and take the best from it. Don't try to control others or make strangers and their works conform to your narrow prejudices.
@Temperans9 ай бұрын
@@masonrockwood7732 there would be a lot less conflict if people just went "you know what as long as its not hurting anybody do whatever you want".
@aporue58934 ай бұрын
@@Temperans that's a child-like mentality. Really Lame.I don't like a lot of things but I'm not going to tell others to think the same as me. If you like something,cool,whatever. We are all different. 🤷♀
@Aim54Delta Жыл бұрын
There was a time in human civilization when the primary identifier was where you were born/raised - the people you grew up with. We did not have the luxury to divorce ourselves of each other over a failure of this month's purity test. People were dependent upon each other for the work, supplies, and services to each other and had to appreciate that person's perspective and take the time to understand it. For those who think it is an improvement to be afforded such prosperity as to be able to rid one's society of wrong-think... I would invite you to consider where it is that prosperity comes from and how many hands you will never know are responsible for what you enjoy. We used to be proud of the people around us for their achievements and take the time to understand their objectionable quirks. Now, for every inconvenience in a person, a new person is readily available to replace the old person. There was a time when we generally did not regard other people with such venom in our words. There was simply not the desire to remove someone from society. How quickly the sense of options has changed that human behavior.
@RachelleHeart Жыл бұрын
When it comes to both artist and art... For me, if the the art(or media) is not problematic but the creator/artist is, then I can separate it (for example, Amphibia show). But if both media and the creator are problematic, then I can't separate it (For example, The Velma show, because you know why).
@sentienttwig7043 Жыл бұрын
Wait in what way is Amphibia’s creator problematic?
@_______-3007 Жыл бұрын
@@sentienttwig7043he’s not, some people in the crew are but Matt is a saint and this is slander
@thedemolitionmunicipleАй бұрын
It's really painfully ironic how Rowling decided to say that Hermoine was a person of colour, when she is not only the only character in the books/films who really tries to stand up for the House Elves, but is also then looked down on and often admonished by other characters for it. Ain't nothing wrong with buying a Lovecraft novel; a dead man gets no money/support from it. But Rowling is still alive, and gets royalties from Hogwarts Legacy. Buying the game is supporting Rowling; no way around it. Anyone can go ahead and play it if they really want to, but that means they're putting the game ahead of any allyship with trans people. (I would also have questions as to why they really feel the need to play a game that is about putting down a slave rebellion, but that's just me)
@WrestlingGamingGuru Жыл бұрын
Great video! 🙂 I wish more celebrities took more accountability for their words and actions. Part of the meaning of life is growth.
@zenfirebird5360 Жыл бұрын
Regarding the note- You might wanna do separate video for that one as some people bought the game due people harassing people who already bought the game.
@garibaldibritann1240 Жыл бұрын
@Fionapollo For this case i still remember another case of this discussion like Hayao Miyazaki which most people like his works but ignoring his washed up elitism views towards other peice of art that dosn't made by him(saying LoTR is "White man colonialism" story), people like Earthworm Jim but dislike Doug TenNappel for his transphobic view and his conservativism to the point the upcoming Earthworm Jim series was held without him, people enjoy Oliver Stone's films but disagree with him for being a Vladimir Putin's simp, Kanye West and his insanity fiasco, Leo Tolstoy and his communism, David Cage and his creepy sexualisation of female characters in his most games, and people trying to evade Orson Scott Card while liking his Ender's Game series. Seperate the art from the artist principle is is not in an appropriate use towards an artist who's so controversial that it reflects their ideology into their art at worst like William Luther Pierce with his The Turner Diaries, a book its horribly written and it's the main inspiration for far-right terrorism, Johhny Rebel and his n-word filled country songs, Onision and his horrible book, and one Slavic person who create "Remove Kebab" song which is used as a meme to promote Islamophobia (sorry, horrible choice). But, that principles also have it's flaws like the case of Gina Carano when you trying to use that principles people who opposed her will accuse you being her supporter just because you like her character while ignoring her personal believes so it is a Catch 22 issue, so this principle got a lot much harder to implement due to political divide happened in most western countries especially America As a verdict of this issue this is my principles of Seperate the art from the artist: 1. If the original creator is dead for long time ago let them rest and enjoy their creation 2. If their creation is good i can enjoy it no matter what the creator's stance for like Roger Ebert have said: "A movie shouldn't be judge by the person who made it, is what it is" 3. If their creation is so bad to the point it reflects the creator's worst aspects i have a right to boycott it That's is for my opinion for this case
@garibaldibritann1240 Жыл бұрын
Also i'm gonna add another case like this: 1. I like Tim Schaffer and Neil Druckmann games but need to stay away from their Anti-Gamergate view 2. People liked Konami classic games but keep boycotting Konami themselves 3. I respected The Critical Drinker's work and his POV but ignoring his political antics 4. People liked Minecraft but staying away from Notch (the case is same as J.K. Rowling) 5. People liked James Woods while ignoring his ultra conservative views 6. I respected CD Projekt for their principles but keep watching their reputations And the list goes on
@mileslugo6430 Жыл бұрын
What do we do with a drunken sailor?
@bauermehlmann8800 Жыл бұрын
We put him in a longboat until He is sober
@aporue58934 ай бұрын
ha ha mr krabs
@unknownsoldier6367 Жыл бұрын
"this kind of dilemma isn't really one that can be easily solved at least not while the artist is still around" So what your saying is... that is JKR had an "accident" we could all enjoy Harry Potter somewhat ethically? lol
@Aaa-vp6ug Жыл бұрын
Alright, send in the hitmen
@RichEDMixed Жыл бұрын
Another great video on the topic that dives into the JK situation from an unbiased pov is Mr Rolfwaffles. Something else about JK and where these fears come from is her own experiences and fear that resulted from them. Fear is what creates our prejudice. Further more fear is the hardest feeling to overcome next to anger and resentment. The truth is she has surrounded herself with people to counter her points and it has led to her being in an echo chamber which is all too common here on the internet not just with famous people but normal people. Things like transphobia and racism are born from fear and we need to find a better way to help show people where their fears are wrong and educate future generations of the truth instead of passing on our prejudice beliefs.
@MASTEROFEVIL Жыл бұрын
So you're basically saying it's wrong to have fear whether it come from personal experience or what others say from there or views?
@RichEDMixed Жыл бұрын
@MASTER-OF- EVIL no fear is fine everyone has things there afraid of but it shouldn't define your beliefs or you as a person. It's healthy to be afraid but like everything in life if you let it control you and dictate things about you then you need help. That's the fear that can't be passed on to the generation.
@docopoper Жыл бұрын
As a trans person I don't begrudge anybody who just wants to enjoy Harry Potter and for whom the series holds personal meaning. Enjoy your childhood. It's ok. J.K. Rowling has very much ruined the series for me and I refuse to have anything to do with it or her. And I agree on a conceptual level that it's bad to support her by buying HP stuff. But honestly if the series means a lot to you then there is also ethical value in that. Practicing self care and love is ethical too. Maybe cut back if it makes you feel better to do so. But most of the money she's getting is from a huge number of people who aren't thinking of trans people in the slightest. So weigh up how to value those two forms of ethics.
@Aim54Delta Жыл бұрын
This assumes a specific line of ethics. Allow me to demonstrate. I am someone who dresses as a man to have sex with girls. Because I was born with a penis..[insert more discussion of how my genitalia relate to my identity]. Contrast that with: I am a 34 year old man who spent 8 years in the U.S. Navy, a strong electronics background, and who was raised in a family of small factory owners and have worked in various factories and even medical environments for a decade from the floor labor to supervisor positions. I have hobbies in gardening, computer programming (and being distracted by playing games... too much), and have an obsessive compulsion to archive our scientific and industrial progress in book form. If you want a tin foil hat, I have several models available for how deep down the rabbit hole you wish the aliens to abduct you. Oh, and I do have ambitions to raise a family as a good father and husband. Which is the stronger sense of identity? When I was a child, I immitated my mother. She was who I spent most of my time with - so why wouldn't I take an interest in painting my nails? Though, there was the fact that my father put a hard stop on colored nails. It was acceptable for me to use the clear coat/foundation for the purposes of doing what mom did. And - how many women would appreciate a man who could help take care of her nails or hair? Mom ran a sewing business out of the house. I learned a lot about sewing... and not the piddly little machines you see at the store - these were heavy nylon and kevlar bags and such. Grandma was the one to teach me how to fish and how to bait a hook - while grandpa sat in his recliner and read the paper or watched the news - she was out showing me the plants or taking me down to the river or helping in the garden. I helped Mom prepare dinner most days and about cooking from her. The way I see it, the modern hyper-fixation on gender is no different to the pokemon cards, brief yo-yo fad in 98/99, and the teenage epidemic of girls starving themselves or throwing up to try and be as thin as barbie. It's a manifestation of a similar pattern. For highschool girls around 2010, it was everyone being a fey, vampire, etc. Is the ethical thing to immediately recognize someone's claimed identity? Should my mom and dad have assumed that I was a girl the moment I painted my nails like mom? Was my grandma some kind of suppressed male in a woman's body? If we merely want to entertain these things as idle musings - we could ask whether or not my grandma was uniquely masculine... or just from a depression-era family who grew up with a dirt floor and slat walls. For that matter, Mom grew up with two older brothers and was quite a bit of a tomboy, herself. There again, in a largely rural area - what girl wasn't? But these are not idle musings. There is an industry that profits from performing therapies and surgeries on people that have permanent consequences. Is it ethical to be affirming of the claims of, in my view, children who insist they are the opposite sex? Or, flipping it around, is it ethical to affirm that a corporate system can profit off of the chemical and surgical alteration of children? I generally side with no. The problem as I see it is that children are growing up without a practical grounding in living and media portrays lampoons a mirror-maze representation of society. What sane and rational boy would want to grow up to be Peter Griffin? Or almost any portrayal of men in modern media? What skills or trades do they have to connect with? What we have, right now is a world where teenagers and young adults have been failed by the education system with a bleak resume while staring down an adult world that is alien and foreign. This would exacerbate any kind of anxieties and intensify obsessive, compulsive, and autism spectrum trends. Gender identity isn't the problem. It's purpose and tangible grasp that is the core problem that needs to be solved. The focus on gender is an obsessive-compulsive behavioral expression where someone believes that something is a problem and a ritual-like solution is the solution. Sex and gender are less identities as they are descriptors. Leading someone to believe they can find an identity in a sex or gender category is highly unethical. Being a man is one descriptor of who I am and is not a prerequisite for the majority of things I can stake an identity on. Avid hostility, denial, and rejection is also a common part of obsessive compulsive patterns. It is the duty of those senior in society to mentor those who are younger and to protect them from exploitation, even when it is not understood or appreciated at the time.
@juliancalero8012 Жыл бұрын
The only time you should use the line of "you play hogwarts legacy" in an argument against someone is if they only brought the game because they want to actively support transphobia via buying the game, sometimes multiple times
@juliancalero8012 Жыл бұрын
@@Aim54Delta the profit point is a symptom of a medical system that prioritises profits over lives and health overall. By making a system that prioritises health over profit that point wouldn't exist in the first place. Trans healthcare saves lives and by refusing it you harm trans people
@Aim54Delta Жыл бұрын
@@juliancalero8012 There is no difference between self harm rates among those who have medically transitioned, in whole or in part, and those who have not. The statistical incidence of hospitalization for self harm among homosexuals is around 20% +/- 2% for all nations with such records. 40% +/-4% for those identifying as trans. This holds true for the U.S., Greenland, Iceland, Japan, China, Saudi Arabia, India, Norway, etc. Background population rates of self harm had minimal impact on results, as did public policy - whether the cultural norm was acceptance, rejection, or outright criminality - self-harm rates showed no statistically significant trend with public policy, background culture, or medical care standards. We could develop magic that poofs a person into the opposite sex as though they had been that way their whole life, and I doubt it would result in greater overall quality of life improvements because the compulsion to change sex is very probably a response to obsessive-compulsive triggers that will not be resolved by the sex change. It will simply find another manner to manifest itself afterward and, left unresolved, lead to greater overall strife. So, the simple answer is no. "Gender affirming care" does not save lives and ranks as a generally malign pattern of exploitation by industries in even socialized nations. Now, if you are an adult and are insistent on using your money or have found some kind of insurance company that will pay for surgery and hormone therapies - then, I won't say you can't make yourself look like whatever we have the technology to do. However, I will insist that the term "woman" and "female" be exclusively reserved for humans with two x chromosomes and that various legal policies follow from that. Language serves practical functions and subversions of objective reality will not be tolerated. Why women would want to become men is beyond me, but it is women who generally require the specification. Men don't care if a woman walks into their bathroom or follows them down the street. This has been afforded them for many generations and to now proclaim that men can declare themselves women and make use of those privileges is deliberately disruptive. There are many people who do undergo sex altering surgeries who want no part of what have become efforts to harass women by a cult of activists. The answer is no. We will be banning these things, stripping funding from places that exploit children, and prosecuting people who were knowingly ignoring signs of OCD and related issues to pursue permanent alterations of said children. You are free to be angry about that, but see my prior post. It is our responsibility to do these things. Now, on the plus side, there will be significant advances in the coming years regarding control over the body's tissues and cellular mechanisms. We already have unlocked significant life extensions (yamanaka factors) and will be able to induce a wide range of tissue development phases. Regrowing limbs is just the start, and it will likely be possible to fully restore people to a functioning, healthy body within the next 30 years, probably faster if AI advances continue without horrible accidents. At that time, if some are still insistent on living as close as they can to the opposite sex (or some hybrid thereof), I won't stop you. However, the current fad of injecting children with hormones and subjecting them to surgery is to stop.
@tovarishchfeixiao Жыл бұрын
Just a quick question from a fellow trans to a fellow trans. Do you ever have read those "transphobic" things from her? Just because i never seen those anywhere. Because i only can see that she had a statement about biology (which is just saying science facts). And statements about prisons... Well, if someone had the surgery then alright, but if not then they should go to there what their ID card says. I mean it not a good idea if we start to put people into gender specific prisons based on what the person saying without any physical proof because then cis people will try to exploit it (especially cis men, since there is crimes that famously not too lucky to go in prison with if your inmates are men, so some cis men very possibly will try to exploit something if their is a chance to do that). And to be honest after that specific fake news i would be concerned too in her place even if it was just a fake news (because she had experienced that crime by a cis male in her past which makes unserstandable if that article made her worried with that kind of experience). I hope this comment won't be misunderstood. And also i hope the phrasing of this comment does make sense.
@llamasmeowing2061 Жыл бұрын
Trans activists and “Allies” can’t bully, harass, and give death threats to someone critical of a social movement (and random gamers) and say you have the high ground. Doesn’t excuse Rowling’s lack of research, preachiness, and rudeness. They’re either all in the wrong or neither in the wrong. Go read Harry Potter if you want, idc.
@swishfish8858 Жыл бұрын
Don't forget that trans "activists" (re: twitter morons) don't speak for all trans people. JKR is one person, she speaks for her views. The activists are a bunch of people who claim to speak for all of us, but are only serving to paint us into a corner of further hate. Please keep your disdain focused on them, not on those of us who are now in the crosshairs because of their fat lips and fast fingers.
@metallord6960 Жыл бұрын
I mean, should we not use phones and other technologies when buying them supports companies that use child labor? I've seen people who can live without them. It's good for the environment too. But what I really want to know is this; What did Rowling say/do? No hearsay, just a link to the statements made.
@HenrythePaleoGuy Жыл бұрын
What a piece of art means to you is the key thing here, interpretations and all that, but the extent of it and how you treat it will vary depending on the media and what it represents. Understanding that is really key, and what you get out of it, if it's positive, is a good thing.
@bridgettelair370 Жыл бұрын
I don't idolize people ever and I think that's the core of most people's problem, they feel betrayed even though they don't know this person at all, down right foolish. But honestly she's not really the worst offender ever, like some people have committed actual crimes. It's also probably not a good idea to call the story itself offensive when it isn't though, like all those bad takes from game journalists that hardly bring up the actual game, they're not doing their jobs and they should be penalized if not fired.
@FabbrizioPlays Жыл бұрын
What most people get wrong is the idea that this is about money. It's about influence - the strength of the Harry Potter brand keeps Rowling notable, and she uses that social standing to bully politicians and influence legislation. She has done this successfully in the current calendar year. Look up her interactions with First Minister Nicola Sturgeon for more on this. People can meme about Hatsune Miku writing Harry Potter or whatever they want to joke about... but at the end of the day Rowling's notoriety is still synonymous with the franchise, and she uses that notoriety to get her way.
@MoKuZai Жыл бұрын
as someone commented. its not bad to enjoy a bad persons FICTIONAL work, just the REAL acts. and to balance it by also not indulging/ idolizing the creator to the point that you'd expect complete disappointment.
@najpotenicewolf934 Жыл бұрын
I feel like most of the heartbreak coming from the debate over the J.K.Rowling is due to how many kids idealize and idolized her in their childhood. So, when she finally showed her true colours, all of the fans spread into two extreme groups: The ones that feel deeply betrayed by Rowling and want to erase everything connected to HP from their lives (and fight anyone who dares to still like it). And the ones that HP became some sort of safety blanket for them, and will defend it no matter what, because otherwise, it would mean abandoning their comfort zone. Tbh. I kinda was in the second group for some time, until I realized that my attachment to the series may be a little bit unhealthy. I still like HP, but after some reflection, I understand where the criticism is coming from. I don't support Rowling directly, but still interact with Fandom as a whole.
@youropinionsareshitandsoar1954 Жыл бұрын
Getting mad at regular people over something you can't control is kind of ridiculous I honestly feel bad for the amount of v tubers that lost their jobs because of this. Yeah j.k. Rowling is a shity person but what she does with her money is kind of out of our control and we shouldn't punish people who buy the stuff, after all Harry Potter is a huge IP that won't be going anywhere anytime soon (And that's coming from somebody who didn't give a fuck about Harry Potter when it came out)
@MoKuZai Жыл бұрын
thank you for speaking real facts
@an8strengthkobold360 Жыл бұрын
Honestly just pirate JKR's stuff. Be aware of her views and how they effect her writting, then you're good.
@eypandabear7483 Жыл бұрын
Lovecraft was a racist but the authors for the Call of Cthulhu game are not. If you encountered problematic content in the game, maybe it’s worth telling Chaosium about it?
@000Dragon50000 Жыл бұрын
Wheelchair cinderella is so pretty~!~!
@RayDrawzDragonz Жыл бұрын
The drawing in this video is very good, I like the hands on cinderella!
@AnArtistInAVoid Жыл бұрын
My personal opinion on this depends on how bad the thing the artist has done is. Unfortunately though, I find it hard to separate the art from the artist, especially if those artists have been idols for me in the past, because that art that they’ve made becomes a reminder of the fact that the person who made it is not the childhood hero I imagined them to be. And that reminder is a little bit painful.
@kaiyodei Жыл бұрын
i saw someone on quora says nothing is worth than being a TERF. so the bar is low or high
@luulusoul Жыл бұрын
I love the artwork in this one!!
@oliverwisniewski Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video!
@thomasffrench3639 Жыл бұрын
I do find that separating the art from the artist to be utterly necessary. If not, then I cannot watch any entertainment because entertainment industries are some of the worst industries out there. That’s what happens with an industry that doesn’t serve a practical purpose I guess. I find the systematic problems of these industries way worse than someone I disagree with.
@shadowyct2 ай бұрын
I think that, as long as you dont donate to / support in other ways a living bad person, you can just look at their work and enjoy it. (assuming it isn't TOO closely entwined with their bad ideologies) My dad loved harry potter and was so sad when JK Rowling's transphobic things started 😭 nowadays he still listens to the stuff he already has but doesnt buy new stuff
@thefuckwhat78512 ай бұрын
One of the things I do to actively not support jkr is only buying secondhand and avoiding it as much as possible and destroying all resale value of that secondhand stuff. My HP books are drawn over so that they won’t circulate if they were to be given to a charity shop. Preventing her creative works from spreading. Also it’s just really satisfying
@OferZivony Жыл бұрын
I agree with you, but I think the more interesting matter is deeper and on a more philosophical level. There are several different questions to ask, the way I see this: - Is Art an expression of the artist (whether intended or not)? I think to some degree Art is that. It may be (and usually is) much more than what the artist intended - but that part is even more of an honest expression of the artist. - How wholistic is art in the sense of expressing the artist? (does it show every side of the artist's personality? can it be ignoring basic personality flaws?...) - How affected can we be by art we appreciate? Can art be harmful? I think it can. - How critical should we be when consuming art? if we recognize the major flaws perhaps we can then appreciate the good qualities without accidentally being negatively influenced by the bad traits... - Where's the line between art and mere entertainment and how are we addressing it, if at all? - What is the Meaning of each piece of art? It's probably impossible to say, in most cases, but the attempt to understand that might be a crucial part of judging art. I mean meaning in the broad sense - even a simple sketch has some meaning. It doesn't have to be literal. I think understanding the circumstances and context of the creation can be useful, but the essence might be bigger than that. Sorry for the mess. There are probably a lot more questions to be asked, but in general I just think that the more interesting question is not about whether we support an artist or not, but about the art itself and its value for the consumers.
@DevinParker Жыл бұрын
I appreciate your handling of the subject. I think it's important for people to remember that in our capitalist society profits are the most frequently-pointed-to indicator of whether something is popular and acceptable or not, and as such, when we're making luxury purchases-things we don't need for survival, such as entertainment-the statement "there is no ethical consumption under capitalism" isn't really applicable. If you know something is going to fund transphobic lobbyists and politicians, you don't give them your money for something you can do without. I think much of the anger, frustration, and grief that was sparked by the HL issue was that in a time when trans rights are more imperiled than ever in the US and the UK, many people who might have called themselves allies weren't willing to make the tiniest of sacrifices and just skip HL altogether. The whole thing with a Vtuber supposedly leaving the streaming community because of being harassed for streaming HL proved to be less than factual, but it served transphobes in the gaming community as a convenient moral panic through which to spread their bigotry. In the TTRPG publishing arena, there are a number of games that really appeal to me. However, these games are being written and published by people who have demonstrated fascist leanings, expressed queerphobic beliefs, and have abused other people psychologically and in some cases sexually. Despite knowing how much I would enjoy playing these games (which, to my knowledge, don't contain any of these views) and knowing that among my gaming circle, we wouldn't be repeating any of those reprehensible statements, I know that paying money for these would fund these bigots and give them further reason to feel their views are acceptable and justified. So I don't buy these games. I may be missing out on some fun with them, but that's not worth the cost. And there are *plenty* of other games out there.
@GayCherryJuice Жыл бұрын
Personally I found myself able to separate Rowling from her work in order to enjoy Hogwarts Legacy. I wholeheartedly understand the people who are frustrated and even mad that she’s getting paid for the game, but the truth is there’s little to nothing we can do about it. The game also has a completely different message from what Rowling has- Not only does the game openly feature a trans woman who is VOICED by a trans woman, it contains several LGBTQ+ relationships and characters. There’s very clearly a big difference in what the crew that worked on the game want to do with the franchise than what Rowling would want. But I won’t deny that knowing that money goes to her does sting. I myself am trans and I have faced discrimination for it before. But I have faced no such thing in the Harry Potter fandom, or I suppose from the few people I know who enjoy the franchise and game with me. But I have found the haters to be far more harmful. I’ve received death threats and countless claims that I’m a “fake trans” or “bad trans” because I played the game. The crusade the internet went on against Hogwarts Legacy in my opinion was completely pointless. If anything it created more conflict and distrust in between people, even among members of the LGBTQ+ themselves. Personally I think people should be entitled to enjoy the creators art as long as they don’t support them. Whether through piracy or preventing the creator from gaining anything from their fan base. At least when a crime was committed. There are many artists I think can’t be separated from their art, but I still don’t think it’s right to harass their fans over it. That has never and will never be okay.
@knightmareatknight777 Жыл бұрын
Love the art, and he’s some feedback on the video: May just be the fact that i watch a lot of videos with multiple examples, but i feel like you definitely need an example outside of Rowling to make your point better focused and/or clear. Using an example like Scott Cawthon in contrast to Rowling is one that comes to mind. Scott retired for the sake of the community after some not so favorable voting information came out around 2021 that people tried to pin him as being anti-LGBT.
@Fionapollo Жыл бұрын
Damn that's a really good point, i should've done that. I was kind of rushing to get this out due to not feeling good, but I'll try to have everything be be more rounded in the one
@knightmareatknight777 Жыл бұрын
@@Fionapollo hey, always gives you an excuse to make a part 2, or follow up video when you feel better
@CrimsonWolfStudios Жыл бұрын
It wasn’t who he voted for, it’s the specific candidates he donated money to that people took issues with. A few of those people were known for trying to pass/passing legislation harmful to LGBTQ+ people.
@thecthuloser876 Жыл бұрын
In the specific case of Rowling, I feel people sometimes forget she's a billionaire and will be supporting her bigotry if you buy Harry Potter stuff or don't. It's a case of "damned if you do, damned if you don’t". I don’t fault people for not wanting to make her richer... But I also feel we need to realize she'll do harm no matter what since she's obscenely wealthy.
@swishfish8858 Жыл бұрын
People think money is everything, that it's the entire point. It's way more than that. Money is a stand-in for power.
@tovarishchfeixiao Жыл бұрын
She never said that she will harm anyone for anything. So let's just try not to make false accusations.
@swishfish8858 Жыл бұрын
@@tovarishchfeixiao ...that's the stupidest logic I've ever heard. Imagine, for a moment, that "I never said that" was a valid legal defense for committing crimes you've been caught red-handed doing. JKR has been caught donating to anti-trans causes, has made her intentions very clear through her essays and other works, and has gloated about her hate campaign's success numerous times at this point. If you're gonna cling to "she didn't do anything DIRECTLY wrong" after all that, then I guess you're probably on her side.
@tovarishchfeixiao Жыл бұрын
@@swishfish8858 Never heard about that "donations" before. So, any proof for what you saying? Because sorry, but if i not see a proof for a statement then i not give it more trust than a hearsaying or gossip. And also, without any proof it just a false accusation. (which is kinda illegal anyways)