Well considering at one time the witch king was basically just like talion I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he did

I liked this a lot. Maybe deep inside the Nazguls don't want to serve Sauron, but they cannot do it.

Look at it this way, Witch King showed more affection the Celebrimbor for unlike bright boy Witch boy was human, and therefore understands all the pain, torture, and lengths Talion has gone to cling to what little he had left.

Yeah, I like the way the Witch-King treated Talion, and Talion also was sympathetic to the Nazgûl because of how they had suffered, and it’s funny that Wraiths that serve darkness held more respect towards the undead Ranger of Gondor than Celebrimbor, the so-called Bright Lord who would’ve proven worse than Sauron himself, and his former master, Morgoth

Lol talion was chasing Frodo this whole time

Shelob actually sounded sad as she said that. I think she cared for Talion, in her own probably twisted way.

Not respected enough to get his own mask though

Yea i wish his son and wife were waiting for him as he walked onto the afterlife

@@voided4844 That's what they should of shown, its like they forgot his family

@@Ecco_The_Dolphin they didn't. The white rose, next to his son's broken sword. The rose represented his wife and the sword his son.

ResolvedMC indeed in the first game talk on brought a white rose to his wife at the beginning with her remarking it was her favorite flower, an excellent throwback to the previous game

@@ResolvedMC yeah but it would have been better if they were standing in the light waiting for him.

The Witch King of Angmar ok I need to remove my persona as the void man. It is I Morgoth and I’m about to enter Arda again

Talion : I hate you!

Tong Sittisook lol

Since when was the witch king against sauron?

{DDLC} Model shhhh

Lmao I wish Tolkien had written in fleshed out detail all of backstories of the Nazgûl. The lord of this game is at least a very very entertaining fan fiction with its own creative input. It definitely does good creative justice to Tolkien’s work especially since it all takes place in a way that would hardly affect the events of the books aside from interpreting how rings of power are wielded

​​@@OneNidimif you like unique designs and à bit of unique lore for the nazguls, games workshop did unique sculpts and some small bits of lore for every nazgul (and imo they all look awesome even if the sculpts are quite old now). The unique nazgul models are still to this day some of my favorite models ever

There was un underlying respect for him he lasted so fucking long with SAURON’S RING. Hundred of attacks and segues and assaults from other wraiths

Indeed decades of resistance to saurons influence before falling respect earned

He gained the witch Kings respect for resisting for so long

Witch king was never a bad guy

Since the first appearance in the beginning the Witch King respected Talion and not Celebrimbor

NEVER TRUST AN ELF

Man's straight up built different, he's not even a Numenorian or anything.

@@hoked2194 I played the games but I need to know, was he just a regular any day being who just grabbed a sword and a wraith then started fighting?

@@juliuscaesar810 yeah pretty much. He was a Ranger at the black gate. Who was killed and binded to celibrimbor through a curse. They then hunted down the servants of sauron in the first game and then did this in the second.

@@bbc4983 Ye from what I’ve seen, his family got sacrificed then he met the wraiths. His whole life changed at they moment

@@bbc4983 He wasnt just a ranger though, he was the Captain of the Black Gate Rangers.

He literally turned into a Nazgûl, a slave of Sauron that will never rest while the rings of power still exist.

@@1sano_ That's not how it ends though, as you see in the video at the end he didn't after the ring got destroyed and then showed him walking into the light

@@icemanjr.5819 that happened after the One Ring was destroyed by Frodo and Sam. A nice tie in to the movies.

@@deathbykonami5487 That's what I meant, that he does eventually dies and passes on, the original comment says how hes finally free but the comment under it says Talion still a slave to The Dark Lord and I was pointing out that he wasnt anymore cause the one ring got destroyed

@@icemanjr.5819 Yeah I get your point, I thought he was talking about talion turning into a Nuzgul and finds peace in being a nazgul.

A good one at that tooo

In tolkien univers human does not go to undying land. Creator let their soul travel universe freely as a gift of mortality and not be bound to their land unlike elf is, other than that i agree with your interpretation, he let go of everything and be free for a journey

@@horsearcher6852 - you’re right and wrong: yes indeed, humans don’t go to Valinor after death as is implied here. But Manwe (not Eru Ilúvatar the creator) held their afterlife a secret.

@@MensHominis ah. I wasn't fully versed in the lore of the afterlife in middle earth. I apologize.

Talion becomes one with the force in the end.

And then the cutscene ends and you go into infinite, endless sieges.

But doesn’t he look like the rest of them, with the exception of the Witch-King?

@@carsenmaxwell3336 i think their look is cool for the game.

@@jasonleslie203 i think when he wears the ring and became dark and green is really cool (sorry if bad english)

He had a cape on top of the cloak, that was his unique feature

@@sternguard8283 they're all wearing a cape over their cloaks in the cutscene my guy

he kinda had to keep the spot open. talion having the ring and all

@@kainthebastard still though, the witch kings behavior with talion here does indicate he respects him, considering that like himself and the other 8, talion was a strong and capable leader before he fell, Ring or not the witch king did see that, he wanted talion to join them, and he kept the spot open for 60-70 years

If u also noticed in the first ending he was looking at Minas Tirith symbolizing he was still good and in the second ending he was looking at Minas Morgol symbolizing he became evil

@@hassanawdi3793 nice

That and he called him brother when he asked him to join

Considering how immensely powerful Talion was with celebrimbor and then as a Nazgul I wouldn’t be surprised.

All of the Nazghuls knew it they always said Brother to him they showed more compassion and loyalty than the Elfs that betrayed him

wow I never noticed that

A worthy rival does not have to be a enemy. And Talion did prove his worth as a fighter time and time again. Just as a pure asset to their might, of course they would want him. And the Nine, are the only ones that know of the pain and suffering they have gone through. Since we know they were all great men once, I am sure they all resisted for as long as they could.

@@WolfFireheart The rings made them great warriors and sorcerers of their day, but their extended lives became unbearable as they began to transition into the unseen world. The Nine had no idea what they were getting themselves into, and they couldn’t do anything to resist when it was too late. Talion knowing the dangers of these rings, and yet still dawning one and holding back Mordor’s for years is perhaps a feat they respect out of the pure selflessness behind the act.

according to this cutscene, he remained idle and indifferent

Shadow of war wouldn't fit the Tolkien lore, even in the movies. Remember in the Shadow games, Helm Hammerhand didnt die frozen near Hornburg, Helm's Deep wouldnt have existed.

@@FatGouf Yes. I know they are completely different universes. Still, I'm just curious... for fun's sake.

​@@blueshit199he looked more like he was fading in and out of consciousness, which would make sense, as his throat was slit, and blood loss isn't pretty.

They can still make it in the new series if they want . Plus we saw many scenes from the movies

​@@thanoskitsos5710 Shadow games break the lore too much for that

It's more cannon that the Woke trash than Amazon produced

Sauron is like a big company boss who was fired and lives on the streets now.

Ghost Sauron just hanging around Gondor just giving out bad vibes

They are all slaves to Sauron's will. Talion freed a tortured soul, and took the mantle for himself, with intent to hold their slaver for as long as possible. He respects him for sure. He knew, like him, Talion was once a good man. But it was inevitable. Talion would fall to the ring's will, to Sauron's grasp. And eventually, when Talion fell, he would accept him with open arms.

@@humanish1 There's lots of people assuming it's because Talion was good and it brings back some shade of humanity in the Witch-King, but in my mind, it's more about Talion's willpower. We see it, when he's bound to Celebrimbor in the first place, and he begins the guerilla warfare. We see it, when he dominates the orcs and essentially conquers Mordor. We see it when he goes against Sauron embodied. We see it, when he lays there dying after being betrayed by his closest ally. We see it each time he comes back from death. We see it all throughout the 70-year war he waged on a literally goddamn Maiar Dark Lord, while using Sauron's own corruptive power against him. For. Seventy. Years. Talion's willpower is on another level, and is what allowed him to accomplish awe-inspiring feats throughout the games. And I feel like a Black Numenorean - which IIRC Witch-King was implied to be - would respect him for both of those.

More like 3

what about the lord of the rings trilogy?

I want this, except fully customizable lol. Shame stuff like that never happens.

You could always make a fan game

@@nerdlegion5362 I dont think its that easy since you dont have the rights to use anything from the LOTR. At least commercially, but there have been several instances where a company shut down fan made projects, even if they paid out of their own pocket and dont want any money. I dont think anyone, especially without a team behind them, would risk that much time and money only to receive a cease and desist by a greedy company.

​@@deathstalkerx4415most likely sued for making one though but I mean if you're a billionaire then why not

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@@snp4619 Chad

It really is

It did I actually cried

The Witchking was a darksider but had honor.

every Názgul did they waited for him all the time to welcome him

He is like Anakin Skywalker. He joins the bad guys and is redeemed in the end.

So shadow of mordor and shadow are after the hobbit before lord of the rings right?

@@jumperthehedgehog2932 Roughly.

@@AhmedKathiri say that to the levels of sequel baiting of blade of galadrial

@@jakejohnson718 Maybe the tittle of the sequel is "Shadow of Light".

No it before the hobbit and lord of the rings

Antonio Glascoe the reason they look the way they do in the movies is because they disguised themselves as black riders, that is a representation of what they would truly look like when not disguised

You have a point, but using the masks, they look faceless and putting the mask, talion becomes faceless Nazgul, losing his identity.

@@dshaprin that’s the point that his identity was lost among the nazgul

No after Isildur was killed They were 8 With Talion they Are 9

He took the place of the one he killed on the final mission "bright Lord"

@@unheardpoet9071 wasn't that Celembrior or whatever that ghosts name was the 9 were all former kings of men and the last one i remember him killing in game was Ilsilduir

@@nicklancial7103 the nine was the nazgul. celebrimor was not part of them he was the wraith that kept talion alive until he took his pure ring from him that when talion used a dark ring and used it for a good cause until it corrupted him

@@unheardpoet9071 yeah but you said bright lord and i know thats what he was going to become if he overthrew Sauron

He took isildurs place in the nine, so essentially he was the Gondorian representative to the Nâzgul.

Without the ruling ring of power (saurons) all other rings including non canon ones are just jewelry

@@mitchrowell371 maybe the New Ring has some difference since you see that it still glows with power when sauron dies because Celebrimbor is still “alive” So as long as he lives the New Ring has power

I dont think Celebrimbor's ring is imbued with sauron's power. Therefore it will not stop being powerful after sauron's death

I need my revenge

Luckily, this shit isn't canon. Seems the writers didn't even bother to read any of Tolkien's work, let alone find out how the Nazgul were created in the first place.

It’s not canon to LOTR so look at it a bit different I guess

Who know maybe Talion has enough sentience left to purposely fail trying to kill Frodo.

​@@forickgrimaldus8301I mean if one of them we're tailon he would of sure as hell kill Aragon and gandalf

Maybe his power became weaker as soon as he was full Nazgul.

theres no point since it literally shows the moment when the ring was destroyed and when Talions spirit was finally freed. Unless there were to a be another game that would follow the fellowship itself, though that would be tricky considering most of the fighting was done by others and not Frodo and Sam who are the real protagonists id say. Would still be cool to see a re-telling of their story in a modern game format

Your actually right in a sense. After beating the DLC for the elf the ending is different. It reveals that the ring maker escaped. Now she is wearing said ring and that he’s calling her. With talion gone the ring maker needs a host. She saw talion’s memory,felt his pain, seen what he’s seen. It make sense for her to track him down and destroy him. After all it was revealed by shelob that if talion didn’t free one of nine (can’t spell his name) then they would have conquered and dominated the dark lord. And that middle earth would be attacked under the ring makers banner. Talion said it himself “I will not trade one dark lord for another “. My guess is that either they make it to where she gets rid of the ring maker and then she can finally return home knowing that she has gotten revenge for talion even though she herself also betrayed him.

@@spaceman67 I would rather not have her as a protagonist...she was annoying as heck in shadow of war.

@@MordorOrc59 that and she’s just not as much fun to play. You can’t dominate enemies and make them fight for you. You don’t have as many abilities as talion. Granted they could change that of made the primary protagonist but still I don’t see a point.

@@grizzly_manbanimation8436 Yeah, it's either do some iffy retcon of SoW or have a game with half a Nemesis system, neither of which would be good

From my point of view each fan can choose it to be canon or not. It's a great backstory for Nazguls

With the last update to the game I don’t know how long ago, you will receive the Nazgûl mask upon completing the first stage of the Shadow Wars.

@@VariableZero that’s true, but the mask is black instead of silver like in the cutscene. Also you can’t get his full Nazgûl outfit.

Talion already had blue eyes his eyes were a different color because he wore one of the nine that corrupt people

This Game did not belong to the Lore Canon

@@boilinghippo4468 I know but I was curious to know more about the lore of the game

@@ryatt1 probably depends on whether they are evil to begin with or were just tricked or forced into serving Sauron.

@@forickgrimaldus8301, Eru Iluvatar has the last word about the fate of a dead man. He knows humans are flawed. He probably let all Nazgul move on after they were freed of Sauron.

@@Boogeyyyman depends I think, those that were evil to begin with weren't saved but those that were just corrupted are freed

Throughout the game, talion and Celebrimbor receive visions through the New Ring of the Nazgûl’s lives. They show at least 3 or 4 of them, if I remember correctly. The Witchking of Agmar is the oldest of the Nazgul, and the only one to be truly hollow. He has absolutely no memory of who he was, not even the slightest sensation or feeling of who he might’ve been. The Witchking of Angmar is over 4,200 years old by the time of the LOTR books/movies, which take place in the Third Age, year 3,018. He was born sometime before the year 2251 of the Second Age. After around 4,120 years of serving Sauron, the Witchking of Angmar completely forgot every last trace of who he was.

They would’ve gotten hate left and right if they did, so I felt like they did it for less hate, but ppl still get mad even tho it’s already been said that’s it a adaptation

@@notstonks3773 Theres a hidden respawn dialoge where the witch king vaguely hints to his past "Your fate is my fate i to resisted but like the others i fell as well"

@@notstonks3773 His origins are way to old long before Talion. No one even remembers his name all that its known about him is that he was from Numenor i believe he was from either the first era

That is possible, there are decades between shadow war sieges and Talion joining the Nazgul

@@mightycloud7560 rly? Talion needed decades for 3 stages of the shadow wars? I did that in about an hour xD

The elves are gone, dwarves are extinct and hobbits are extinct too, Talion died as a Nazgûl, he cannot come back, and most orcs died or lost the will to live since Sauron is dead.

Actually still 9

Talion freed Isildur and took his place