Exactly lmao

True I always wondered how she did that!

She's got that spiderman thing going on

i actually think thats what hordak meant when he said she wasted the black garnet on parlor tricks

😂

Good idea for an episode!

Yeeeees

HOW I MET YOUR MOTHER TO GLIMMER-

micah daddy

Yes

Spot on 👏

I think they mean redeemed as in proving that she’s no longer evil. She never redeemed herself for the abuse.

The creator even said that her death was to let Adora and Catra move on, not to redeem her

In my opinion, she wasn't really an abuser, her *dark side* was. Light spinner wouldn't have abused anyone but ever since she made that dark spell and joined the Horde, she hasn't been the same as she use to be. When Catra strikes on her mask, the gem thingy is broken and shadow weaver becomes weaker, she joins the Rebellion's side and you see the Light Spinner personality that appears in her.

@@eterniaaaa I think it's understandable to see this side but I do think that her abusiveness (specifically verbal, mental, emotional) is present even when she was Light Spinner. Like when she was performing the Spell of Obtainment with Micah, there were points where Micah wanted to stop and she forced him to keep going and was verbally hostile. I agree that the Spell of Obtainment and time in the Horde made her worse characteristics more present but I don't think that she was meant to be read as a wholly good person when she was Light Spinner.

Kinda ironic that she didn't get anything in return for her sacrifice. Counting as redemption arc.

"she lived poorly" OMG YES! THAT'S WHY I'D LIKE HER TO LIVE AND LET GO OF HER TOXICITIES AND LIVE A HAPPY LIFE WITH CASTASPELLA^^

Please go back and watch the flashback episode her origin story she is the very essence of selflessness all she wanted to do was to get stronger and use that strength to fight The Horde no one had any new plans no one had any good teamwork no one had anything that was going to tip the tide in this constant War she was the only one coming up with fresh ideas. The only sorcerer that was becoming more and more legendary but she hit a brick wall in her magical advancement no one else had any fucking ideas on how to protect their Planet but her lightspinner's idea didn't hurt anyone but herself and potentially the person that helps her cast spell to strengthen her magic she is in no way shape or form selfish even when she was bitter after the failing of the spell which was 100% Michaels fault because he bailed in the middle of casting and she suffered for it but I will say that she shouldn't have involved a child in that spell but that's besides the point she join The Horde slightly out of bitterness also because everyone shunned her for trying to do what's best for the planet but even when she was working with hordak she was trying to obtain power to destroy him she never agree with his ideology she never wanted him to be in control of the horde she was constantly trying to get stronger to kill him to get rid of The Horde that's why she kept experimenting with the black Garnet not for his sake personal power but for her own to be strong enough to destroy him

@@jonathannelson6841 And none of that changes the issue she was a toxic person to everyone she interacted with: Catra, Adora, Micah, Glimmer. Moreover yes she wanted fight the Horde, yes she wanted to free the magic and yes she had no loyalty whatsoever to Hordak. But that is no the "essence of selflessness", as she had the most selfish approach to each one of those goals which was harnessing power for herself while disregarding the well-being of everyone else. She was so willing to sacrifice everyone, it was only so fitting that at the end she sacrificed herself. Also the failure with the spell of obtainment was her 100% own fault, because she was the one that decided to involve a child.

@@tyran6444 I agree her approach was selfish but only because when she was the only one that was coming up with new plans at the time no one supported her so she had to do whatever was necessary because she had no back up and everyone else just had their thumbs up their asses they are at war she did whatever she had to do to help the people of the people even if that means sacrificing some or manipulating others when the leaders of the planet are too incompetent to do anything useful and your by yourself you have to be and act a certain way I can't remember if goku said this in the majin but saga or in GT but the saying was "if I don't who will" shadow weaver is the goddamn personification of that phase she literally sacrificed her own morality for her planet literally her name went from "light spinner" to "shadow weaver" she metaphorically gave her soul to end this war and save her people

Same😭😭

Panicked! Josie YES

Panicked! Josie I didn’t want shadow Weaver to die So~ I made her on a game And I’m happy

Ikr

same! I cant stop thinking about how shadow weaver sacrificed herself.

Noice two lgbt parents we have Scorpias Moms,And Bows dads

And they smaller than her.

Yeah i found out in her video i couldn't tell in the actual episode where they show the picture i don't think i was paying attention

Agreed. I think the only reason she sacrificed herself was because she was in a checkmate position: - take the hearts power for herself-dead - let Catra die - Adora wouldn’t take it aka dead - do nothing - Hordak wins aka dead Basically she’d die in any situation, doing it this way would mean that everyone lives, magic is restored, and in my opinion is just one more way to twist the knife in Catra and Adoras issues towards her

Where is everyone getting these weird ass Notions that shadow Weaver is just hungry for power for herself it's like everyone keeps forgetting the entire reason she wants to be stronger it's to help destroy the horde it's like everyone's missing those few key words she doesn't want the power for herself she already knows she's a badass sorceress she knows that she can only go so far as every sorcerer will hit a brick wall because they don't have the innate magic princess have all sorceress understand this she only wants to break those limits to help the fucking planet when she was mentoring Micah as lights winner it wasn't to further her achievement it's because the curriculum for teaching young sorceress won't allow them to blossom into their full potential both Micah and light spinner knew that she didn't want to ride the coattails of Micah she just wanted to do what every Mentor wants to do Unleashed there trainees full potential she had no intention of riding his clout she had no intention of siphoning off his magic she had no intention of doing anything malicious or selfish with any of her mentors as light spinner now what she did the catra was horrible what she did to adora was horrible what she did to glimmer it was morally gray I feel like she genuinely wanted to teach her because she's Michaels daughter but she was in a very desperate need to secure her own power and safety against hordak and potentially other people in glimmers Kingdom cuz castaspella was honestly going to kill that bitch at some point at least that's the Vibes that everyone was giving off that they don't trust her and she needs to die so what she did to glimmer it was purely out of Self preservation not greed she's not greedy or power-hungry for herself she only wants to get stronger to destroy the horde and protect our planet I don't understand why people keep vilifying her in ways that she doesn't need to be vilified she's an abuser of catra and adore she manipulated those two only why are people adding on extra shit she genuinely sacrificed herself because that's what she knew was the right thing to do they were in a race against the clock and the enemies they were fighting we're going to eat up too much time she knew how the heart of Adora and Catra work so she threw herself at a very powerful foe and kamikazes herself it wasn't because she was cornered if that's the case she wouldn't reveal her face and she wouldn't have shed tears

The creators said too that she was lowkey buzzed from the wine she was drinking when Catra went to get her for help so idk if she even learned anything. Supposedly she never wouldve been nice to catra completely sober lolol

I saw a vine of that lol

Sarcastic Chorus right?

Also Shadow weaver (dying): You two girls better name one of your kids after me, and give a nice gravestone after!

AGREED! Noelle herself said she doesn’t consider Shadow Weaver redeemed, more like she went out on 1 good note - even her final words aren’t anything loving or parental, just ‘You’re Welcome.’ as if Catra & Adora should actually b GRATEFUL 2 her! 😤 Nope, 2 me she will always b a selfish, abhorrent being that’s bettered the world now that she’s no longer in it. (Harsh yes, but that’s how I c it.)

@@sparxstreak02 100% agreed

sparxstreak02 yeah. She didn’t redeem herself. She bailed on the chance to make amends and actually make the changes that would be required of her to be redeemed.

let’s just remember she was drunk on wine when she died

@@sparxstreak02 Im pretty sure Adora wouldn't be ALIVE If it wasn't for shadow weaver wanting to keep her

Yeah, she could have atleast apologized to catra, but instead she just claimed that she was proud of her. If she apologized the same way glimmer did I would definetly think she was redeemed.

She did say it she said because cat-ra reminded her of herself when she was a kid

Indeed, only very few had seen her actual face and probably only her very innermost circle of friends.

YES WE NEED THEM

LMAO

omg i just noticed

Same dude ,i cryed so hard when she died 😭😭😭

I love that woman

Same Shes honestly really pretty lol

oop ikr she’s really pretty

Me too

Shadow weaver deserved better😔

bro I totally know how you feel, I was just like "no way..." when I saw that last episode and could barely grasp it for the rest of it, like okay maybe she was kinda terrible but she did have some good intentions somewhere I so wanted to see more, and maybe why she became like that in the first place, it could have been a terrible childhood y'know but now I guess we wont ever find out and while the show was amazing I think that was the best part, was how they wrote her character the daisies was also funny, like a scene where she was just standing there, arms crossed like she was doing a "hmph" [cant remember what episode but if I see it again I'll tell ya]

I LOVE shadow weaver! She may be a terrible person but i like with her flaws!

Wait she’s around 30?!!!!???!!! Jjsjjsjdkkfkdjdidisiidi

He legit killed catra once. And abused shadow weaver. He really wasn't redeemed. Lol

@@kitcharlene8482 (baseline info to know: Hordak hates lying and hiding the truth because of his experience with Prime where he can read the clones thoughts, or maybe even reveal them to other clones to shame seid offending clone. This is also why his relationship with Entrapta works so well, they never really lie to eachother. When one needs an explanation (cough Hordak's decaying body cough) the other gives it. Now onto the on topic stuff) He suffocated Catra because she lied to and hid the truth from him, which is very important to him because of the reasons stated above and also she *lost* the only person in the Horde who could do magic (they still needed the Black Garnet and Scorpia can only really shoot lightning). Also, Catra killed people too tf?? She sent Entrapta to Beast Island (which is a death sentence and only two people seemed to have survived on it, Micah and Entrapta), raided and destroyed Mermista's kingdom (which involved killing people), and basically almost destroyed the entirety of Etheria/reality because of her obsessive resentment of Adora (which kinda killed everyone besides Adora, Catra, and Angella but then even Angella had to stay behind basically forever to stabilize reality). With the whole Shadow Weaver situation, it's Shadow Weaver can you blame him? But he knew that she was abusing cadets/soldiers/underlings in *his* name A.K.A lying which is a big nono in the Horde. He never straight-up killed her because (besides Scorpia who wasn't connected to her runestone until the end of season 4) Shadow Weaver was the *Only* magic user in the Horde, so she could either escape his death plan or overpower him outright. And iirc i don't remeber any *abuse* of Shadow Weaver, just seeing through her bs way of claiming credit and imprisoning her for lying to him (not outright killing her for the above reasons). So yeah, I don't believe that you can hold one of the three up on death and abuse when All Three of These People have been guilty for that. (Also if the fucking Diamonds could be redeemed then he can just be happy with Entrapta)

@@kitcharlene8482 also comparison of Shadow Weaver and Hordak and their reasons for redemption: Shadow Weaver: -Was power hungry and used a dark parasite spell on herself so "we can defeat the Horde" but refused to listen to reason -Groomed a child to help in seid spell -Abused children she was in the care of in the Horde -became *even more* of a parasite by sapping the magic of Etheria through the Black Garnet -lied about having Hordak's approval for things he was in the dark about, multiple times -betrayed the people she has been working with for decades because of her obsessision with a teenager -hurt/groomed Glimmer by teaching her magic and using her energy to abuse Catra *in a rescue mission* -helped out the rebellion find the failsafe and actually had Castaspella deal with her to kill her if she tried to take power -tried to/manipulated Adora and Catra throughout season 5 -basically sacrificed herself and said "you should thank me for this" which traumatized and will cause need of therapy for both Catra *and* Adora ▪︎Redeemed Hordak: -was "born" and raised in an environment without individuality, without expression, without purpose other than serving Prime (cult) -was cast away on a random planet to die because of a defect that causes immense pain -was disconnected from the hivemind without a proper support system -did the only thing he knew how, conquer in Horde Prime's name -created a system where he was more of a puppet leader who had people making most decisions of what the Horde does *for* him, the process only ending with his approval -honored truth, loyalty and integrity in his "kingdom"/regime -did not waste resources on a runaway cadet -punished those who lied to him, and the lies were not small lies either -found an opportunity to manipulate Entrapta but found that he didn't need/want to -gained the first proper friend in he had ever had, where they had a mutually beneficial relationship and both cared for eachother's well being -almost delayed work on a machine that ended up almost killing everyone, to spend time with Entrapta -seemingly betrayed by the only person he ever trusted and was close to -was devastated when realizing he was never betrayed by Entrapta *but* by Catra instead -was forcibly reprogrammed and had his mind erased *twice* for having thoughts of his own (the second time was during a scene that was played more for Catra's fear than for the horror these clones go through) -accepted life as a servant under Prime for, seemingly, the rest of his life -broke through his programming after having a small reunion with Entrapta and ended up *Killing* the body of Whore Prime -got possessed as payback ▪︎Irredeemable monster who doesn't deserve love or any forgiveness

@@m.artifex2001 shadow weaver wasn't really redeemed either as a lot of comments state, and now I wish we could see more hordak development, like maybe he could discover there are other fun activities other that conquering worlds..

Shadow Weaver died for her adopted daughters. Saying that she wasn't redeemed is kind of like saying Darth Vader wasn't redeemed. Yes, it took until the very last moments of their lives for them to act selflessly but they did so in the end. Why is Darth Vader considered redeemed by doing literally ONE good thing after being evil for over twenty years but Shadow Weaver isn't?

@@tomnorton4277 Noelle herself said that SW wasn’t redeemed at all. Her death was more of a final manipulation of Adora and Catra.

I have to disagree with u saying shadow weaver never changed. While she still was a power hunger abusive monster to the end, she did change. In the end she did sacrifice herself to save adora and catra. The shadow weaver in season 1 never would have done that

@@akshaykareem6334 That wasn't a sacrifice, that was a suicidal middle finger to them both. They had both moved on, she was losing power over them, it was easier to die then change.

@@yuukotombo6578 isn’t all self sacrifice suicide?

If your dad is a worse person than Shadow weaver, he must really suck. Like, really, REALLY suck.

@@ilikecookies9796 he does. He manipulated me into hating myself for years just because I look like my mum, his ex wife. He's a coward, and cruel. He boasted he would disown me if I left to live with my mum, and since coming out as a lesbian, hasn't contacted me once. And that is just scratching the surface and not by much.

yes but on the other hand all other dictators in cartoon who may or may not have commited genocide do deserve a redemption arc.We are measuring their actions by how they affect our main characters not how they affect the world as a whole. I mean that without her adopting adora who betrayed her the series would have never happend and the rebellion would be crushed. You cannot fault someone for their ambition or their wants

By sacrificing herself, she manipulated catra and adora for one last time. It is perfectly in-character for her.

People can change. Yes it is true that she wasn’t the best but if he didn’t help catra and adora at the end the world wouldn’t have been saved. She has changed much throughout the series

khan de prado that makes no sense. Shadow Weaver did care for Adora and cared somewhat for Catra. I think that that’s clearly shown throughout the show and indeed their safety and that of etheria was what motivated her to sacrifice herself. She’s the type of character who ultimately believes that the ends justifies the means.

TrellyV Okay, but I’m referring to the part of the video where it’s said that shadow Weaver was redeemed. Abusers are not redeemable. Her symbolism and history are both really neat, but that doesn’t make her redeemed lol

Why not though? Her intentions were not bad, she only turned on the sorcerers when they ruined her life.

@@Mediados Keep in mind the saying, “The road to hell is paved with good intentions.”

@@Mediados The second half of that saying is, “The road to heaven is paved with good actions.” Although SW has good intentions, it doesn’t make her a good person.

@@lilybirdflowergum8683 True, but she isn't inherently evil. She became this way by unfortunate circumstances and misunderstandings. She isn't the irredeemable monster that the She-Ra crew see her as.

@@Mediados the sorcerers didn't do sh*t tho? Shadowweaver ruined her own life by endangering and manipulating a child into casting a dangerous potentially fatal spell. Besides she was always in it for the power. "Saving Etheria" was the lie she tried to use to convince the sorcerers and later manipulate Micah into casting the spell of obtainment. If she cared about saving Etheria, why didn't she go to any of the princesses to offer help against the horde after being kicked out by the sorcerers? Actually, she didn't even need to help anyone as doing LITERALLY NOTHING would've been better than helping the horde destroy Etheria 😂

Unfortunately in this world abuse doesn’t really mean what it means here. In their world, it was just a consequence of war. So “acccountability” isn’t really a thing

I wonder how the spell of obtainment would've turned out too. However, it was a magical parasite, and parasites need hosts (it just happened to be Light Spinner after Micha got away. And was it reaching for Micah first because his inherent magical nature was more potent than Light Spinner's?) But like you said, "what if?" I think Light Spinner always wanted more power (albeit she hid it well at first). To me, the Horde invasion was an excuse she used to get that power (although I do feel she cared for Etheria as well). And she lightly touched on her hardships coming into her own to Catra when she was in a prison cell at the Horde. But she manipulated a child, played favorites, would berate Micah for his natural talent, and joined the horde out of spite (after killing her first "boss"). And I do think the guild at Mystacor and the rest of Etheria had serious socio-political issues even before the Horde came. I like her character outside of the issues and abuse she inflicted. Not debating just having dialogue.

Same here, I love Bow.

Bow puts the bo in himbo

Nah, she's my favorite character. You can like a character without condoning their actions or excusing their flawed behavior

Avatar isn't a science fiction universe, it's a fantasy universe. Waterbenders don't bend H²O (which is not even an element in the science sense), they bend the mystical element of water and its representations and extrapolations in according to eastern metaphysics.

The cage had a spell casted in it, so even if she could crawl out, I don’t think she would be able to

Thank you

Couldn't agree more. It's the first thing i thought of when i heard "redemption arc".

Imagine if Darth Vader said 'You're welcome' as he threw the emperor into the pit. He's responsible for billions of deaths, saving his son's life does not even begin to account for that. And Vader/Anakin did get a brief but heartfelt moment with Luke before he died. Shadow Weaver's crimes are less severe sure, but unlike Anakin there's next to no evidence that her character has changed.

If ya’ll are going there, then Catra and hordak don’t deserve redemption either, especially since one of the first times we meet the latter is him saying to put baby Adora in a furnace, which *SW* actually stopped, even if for bad reasons

@@aerindinescarro47 Shadow weaver abused and manipulated so many people over the course of her life. She never made up for it. Catra may have done some bad things, but she was given time and tried to make up for everything. We see her apoligize to Scorpia, Entrapta and Adora. SW never apoligized. Her death felt more like "I can escape from my problems by dying." Rather than redemption. Doing one good thing =/= redemption. I dont think Hordak should be redeemed as well. But Catra tried to make up for her mistakes by apoligizing, helping Etheria, and fixing her anger issues.

You should totally watch it It's a bit slow the first season but each one gets better and better

Definitely! Each season is packed with amazing storybuilding and the end was heartwarming and ties up a lot of lose ends

Yes it’s amazing

What's wrong with Star? Never seen it

Jokes on you they have gay charaters