I would like to be able to do web development on iPad. So I need more browsers with dev tools, ability to run containers, real file system and a terminal.

iPad needs a different os but based on Mac and not based on iPhone, file management couldn't be worst on iPad

It'd be fantastic if when you plugged your ipad into a display, it just kicked into macos mode.

I’m a Computer Science Student and here’s my situation: I use the iPad Pro to sketch and take lots of notes, and media consumption/entertainment. Here are the Apps i use on MacBook: Visual Studio, GitHub Desktop, Unity Engine, Audacity, GIMP, Numbers, Wireshark, and Terminal. I’m honestly exhausted from having to pay for and carry two devices (that have the same processor) for no reason. How about Apple introduces a “MacPad”😅 that has a similar form factor to the Surface Book ?

In Apple world we have to endlessly argue philosophy. In PC world you could just dual boot and we’ll see for ourselves if we like it.

No, but iPadOS needs to be overhauled

Let's face it: the sole reason iPads with M series chips don't have macOS is because Apple is aware they would cannibalize MacBook sales. Apple wants you to own both, and of course, an iPhone too.

I always pitch in this suggestion: the iPad should keep iPadOS but be able to run macOS apps that have been approved and curated on the _Mac App Store._ That way devs can specifically allow it and ensure that they run sandboxed with whatever specific APIs the iPad uses. Apple can also warn prospective users that these apps are intended for use with a trackpad and keyboard. That way iPad users are even purchasing Apps that encourage them to upsell to a Mac in the future

I don’t want MacOS per se, just full pro apps with all the functionality that is on the Mac version. I can’t use Final Cut Pro on the iPad because there’s so many plugins I use on Mac that just aren’t available on iPad. I don’t think most people want the OS, we want the features

Like you, I bought a M1 2TB 12.9-inch iPad Pro and have regreted that decision ever since. iPad OS works for my wife, but she doesn't need an iPad Pro to meet her computing needs, but iPad OS, or as I now call it iPoor OS and my iPad Pro doesn't work for me. My biggest problems with iPad OS are the walled garden of mostly mediocre smart phone style apps, the files app, and the awful web kit. If I am going to spend £3k on a M4 iPad Pro and accessories it needs to also be a laptop replacement and do everything my MacBook Pro can. It doesn't necessarily need to run Mac OS, but I want to have complete freedom of choice to sideload any apps I want, have the capability to format, repair and image external SSDs and memory cards, and run VMs (I was able to do the later in a limited way on M1 iPad Pro, but then Apple made sideloading UTM even more difficult when upgrading to iPad OS 17). Mac OS no longer works for me due to the lack of a touch display and stylus support. Consequently, I am moving away from purchasing any more Apple iPad Pros and MacBooks. I've spent the past year getting all my apps, web apps, virtual machines, games, retro game emulation, and developer tools I use to work of Windows 11 arm. I plan to buy a Microsoft Surface Pro 11 with Snapdragon X Elite processor, because that will better meet my needs, than the messy combination of iPad Pro and M2 MacBook Pro. My understanding is Apple has been struggling with iPad Pro sales, and it looks to me that the M4 iPad Pro will exacerbate the problem rather than improve it. I agree for some people iPad OS really works, but I suspect the M2 iPad Air has all the technical capability they need plus still has some to spare that cannot be fully utilised by iPad OS 17. But as it stands, iPad OS makes the M4 iPad Pro with all its amazing technology the most pointless product in Apple's product portfolio.

I would like to have the option to run Mac OS when hooked up Magic Keyboard.

I'm developer and systems administrator, mostly using my iPad as portable workplace. BT mouse and kbd, USB-C PoE Ethernet, simple USB-C dongle with HDMI and USB-A for everything else. Various vendor apps for managing network infrastructure (love Ubiquity), common Hurricane Electric network tools, Prompt for SSH and RealVNC and Microsoft RD client for remote desktop. I've started with iPad Pro 10" from 2017, and now I'm on iPad Pro 11" with M2. Generally speaking, I'm quite satisfied, how it's working now. Just two top frustrations: - F-keys and navigation keys in RD Client (mapping issues? don't know, have no time to dig) - nightmare avoided only because I work with *BSD and Ubuntu and can use vi-style navigation; - Music app is always pauses when MS RD Client plays sound, e.g. notification from chat or beep from excessive tabbing or backspacing in shell. I do not want macOS on iPad, I just want iPadOS behave more reasonable. Funny thing that I didn't miss the ability to burn ISO image to USB drive. And yes, I despise notebooks and laptops :)

More control of the files. Would make it easier to work with MacBooks/imacs

Hopefully the new Qualcomm Arm-based Windows machines, which start at 16GB RAM, will put pressure on Apple to do the same with their computers.

Exactly, a Dex Mac OS version on the iPad would be more than enough for the user who’s focused on simplicity. I felt as stage manager along with the files app are the first steps to that desired Dex version someday.

One problem with iPad is that many things are buggy or badly designed like the "files" app including the use of external storage. I hate the split screen and other design decisions

My wife has an M1 Mac Mini and an M1 iPad Air. She should be able to choose to run macOS on her iPad when she travels. That choice is what we want.

I'm not sure the only use case for running MacOS apps is to be able to tap into the power of the new iPads. For me I just want to be able to use my "full fat" MacOS apps on the iPad, however Apple decide to enable that.

I agree with the sentiment that if you need a laptop get a laptop. I have both a Mac and iPad and am on the iPad 80% of the time. If budget is an issue you can now get an iPad for $350.

The iPadOS is a great starting point as it deals with the tablet form factor well. It just needs to add more laptop capabilities. Enhancements that could improve iPadOS are: 1. Apple needs to enhance Stage Manager and maybe provide a third multi-tasking option that is more macOS-like. Having three options allows a user to have a multi-tasking experience to their likely. 2. File Manager Pro - Apple should address issues with the current File Manager and a Mac-like file manager for the Pro users. 3. Enhance USB-C / Thunderbolt 3 capabilities- enhance iPadOS to allow the iPad to better integrate with external devices through USB-C / Thunderbolt 3. 4. Have a Samsung DeX that provides a Mac-like experience. 5. Ability to run Parallels on iPad: this allows the user to run Mac or Windows from the iPad.

I really enjoy your commentaries. I recently purchased the base M3 Pro MBP 14, and I have an iPad mini 6 as a companion piece (strictly for content consumption). Since I need the full macOS it's the perfect combination for my use case. As you've pointed out, it all depends on your needs and desires.

Running native MacOS apps with a touchscreen interface module within the code when used on an iPad can't be an insurmountable modification for the code. Making better use of the M4 chips in the new iPad Pro's. Code development on an iPad Pro should be possible at this point in time. Make the hardware more useful.

I have to say, i think that iPadOS could be improved to operate more like a MacBook when connected with a keyboard and mouse, however I also think there are some instances where things in macOS would not be great on an iPad. I can imagine the range of support for peripherals/drivers/less sandboxed experience could be a nightmare for Apple. It’s a really tough problem to solve.

I love using my iPad with my magic keyboard, it's such a great size and I love the 3:2 ratio screen, reminds me of the Powerbook G4 12". I just struggle with the browser, it's gotten better since they added default "use desktop version" of website. It still just doesn't feel like a full desktop-class browser, there are random bugs that come up that don't come up when I use my macbook pro.

I want full-featured Xcode and a terminal app with complete access to the file system and shells like bash or zsh.

Nice studio setup. Great Video. Cheerio. Hi y'all at Geekery.

Well, how about giving a full file manager in iOS for iPAD?

I really wish iPad Pro will run macOS. If not, the hardware doesn't do anything. It has amazing hardware which does nothing.

IMO, if Apple wants to put a desktop OS on the iPad, they're making a mistake. If I were them, I'd go the opposite direction as Microsoft. Add desktop features to iPad OS. I cite the Surface line for my reasons why. Microsoft tried to make Windows tablet friendly with Windows 8 and people revolted. Now Windows 10 and 11 have left the tablet experience to whither and die. It is extremely frustrating to use a Windows tablet without a mouse and keyboard. The desktop mode must be gate kept to prevent the ecosystem from ignoring the tablet UI. It doesnt have to be particularly onerous, just enough to make it clear that it is a tablet that can do deskop stuff rather than a laptop that can do tablet stuff. Chrome OS has an option burried deep in the settings to enable full access to the Debian backend. Perhaps something similar and only on the pro models.

100 percent, I loved my old iPad but until this happens I am not purchasing another iPad.

Excellent view. You got a sub!

I use an old pc for file management then go to my iPad to photo edit, it’s just more enjoyable than being sat in front of a computer which I did for many years. At some point I’ll probably get a Mac mini unless mass file management becomes reliable on the iPad.

If dual boot with full functionality of both systems I would trade in my 15" MacBook Air. Nice video

iPadOS should have a clamshell mode available. And not only with M1+ (stage manager feature). Connecting it to a monitor and charging would also be something more than welcome. With those two options i think could be used as a more powerful productivity tool.

I have my 11 inch iPad Pro 2018 now for almost 5 years. I still use it daily for content use, administrative work (Excel, Word), web browsing, shopping etc. In fact it’s my most used Apple device. I own also a M1 MacMini which i generally use in case i need more screen surface. I think this iPad is the best machine Apple made. The newer ones up until now donot have a clear extra benefit for the workflow i have. The only things i really would like to have improved is a better file management system which sometimes feels clumsy and better window management.

I'm a fan of the dual boot idea. But knowing apple probably won't do this, I definitely like your idea of a more robust file system and multi window support more like macos than stage manager. I love my new M4 13" so far!

The point here is that tablets now come in pro models with pro software and workflow. This inevitably brings the need for a more agile file management like on MacOS. Nowadays I don’t feel the need to buy an iPad. That said, I’d love to test the newest pro models with the newest pencil.

Awesome video no screen time stretching just genuine stuff 👌✨🙌

I'd be really happy if the next set of entry-level Macs start with at least 10 or 12-GB of memory. I actually sent in a recommendation a few years ago saying that as long as the memory is part of the CPU, then they should do this. I sent that in whenever they created the CPU which had 24-GB memory instead of jumping to 32-GB as the capacity after 16-GB.

The big iPadOS issue for me is that some apps - like Apple’s own Photos app - are dumbed down on the iPad. Even on the Mac, Photos isn’t that “feature rich”, so why?

I think the answers is quite simple, at £2000, actually more, it needs to be more than a glorified consumption and drawing device. It can’t do simple things like file management, you try saving photographs or videos other than using Apple Photos whilst travelling, this is just one simple task that is causing uses massive pain. lastly, how does being able to use desktop apps destroy those that use it as a drawing and consumption device? I think, with snapdragon producing a relatively competitive alternative on windows more people like me will start looking at these devices and not renewing our iPad pros.

To me it’s still apps. If I can install any MacOS app on ipad even in a containered environment that would make the deal for me. ipad has some pretty good third party file manager, which hasn’t been an issue for me.

If I wanted to run MacOS in a portable device I would buy a MacBook. I have an iPad Pro with a Magic keyboard. I have owned a Surface Pro and hated the Windows tablet experience. An iPad running iPadOS gives me access to the full catalog of iPadOS and iOS apps including some apps I used for work such as MS Outlook, Teams and OneNote. For anything more demanding there is a Citrix app that gives me access to my Windows Desktop (with a 32 core AMD Threadripper). For me it’s the perfect travel device.

Just get opencore on a iPad Pro then we can decide. But they do have the chips we need, but not enough memory.

Given the power of current iPad devices, it should be perfectly possible for it to do both, and leave the option to the user

What can go wrong in putting a mouse-oriented desktop OS, designed for mouse and keyboard, with a design for mouse, On a touch-first device? I can’t see any problem having to click small buttons with the tip of my finger on my screen, manage windows with my fingers all the time, having missing gestures etc!

That’s why I got a surface cause I need a tablet to be a mini computer not a big a** cell phone

Personally I don't want to see MacOs on the iPad but having said that iPadOS absolutely needs a better and more reliable Files app (file management on an iPad is a chore and like you said sometimes unreliable), Background process that would allow to have more powerful and better apps... avoiding situations like completely “freezing" the iPad when it's exporting/rendering videos or audio projects, and even allow apps like a proper clipboard manager, multiple audio input/output, real desktop safari because some websites refuse or don’t work properly and improvements to Stage Manager, which is already an opt-in feature so limit those artificial constraints. But the most important thing is Apple not treating the iPad as a companion product just to sell it along a Mac, or at least not the pro models that can go up to 3000$, case point being the iPad event, the tagline at the end said filmed on iPhone edited on Mac AND iPad... it's like telling me that the iPad couldn't have handled the finished product, but it can...specially if they had given color correction to Final Cut Pro for iPad.

Why not run both, in dual boot? That was, before M1, a "normal" thing: Windows and MacOS via Bootcamp... Why not enable that when attached to a licensed Keyboard?

It can if you get a video capture card and a Mac mini 😅 I do wish it had Mac OS apps. I can’t restore my iPhone with my iPad or drag and drop files into google drive simple things to fix but probably will never happen.

You hit the nail on the head when you talk about needing iPad to better manage files and multitasking. The iPad still kills apps in the background. And some apps simply don’t do multitasking (I’m looking at all of Google’s apps that will never let you open more than one instance in multitasking). What I’d just add to the files and multitasking wish list is further closing the capability gap between Mac and iPad apps - this isn’t all on Apple though (again, I’m looking at Google with poor iPad apps).

You make a valid point. Does the iPad loose its unique identity just to take in a few more users? Or do you add touch to Mac OS? As much as I’d like to see a duel hood tablet. In order not to canabilize an entire product line? You have to remember it’s all about sales.

If it would have a decent Figma version (with support for actual designing), I’d buy an M4 1tb version. But that’s not how it goes. 😢

I’d love to see a hybrid of the two. There’s more than enough power to run a full program instead of the nerfed version.

Not for me. I tried using a foldable windows laptop, and the OS just didn’t work in tablet mode. I suspect it’s vice versa.

i think they should at least some special version of ipad should , what do people even use ipads for watching movie? it would be nice if i could code in that

This is my experience, I am not saying one is better than the other for everyone. I chose to go with the iPad Pro and sell my MacBook Pro about 5 years ago. I’ve never looked back. For this list, I’m comparing the M4 iPad Pro 13 to the current MacBook Pro 14 M3 Pro: Hardware: 1. Versatility - The ability to interact with the device in many ways. In “Laptop Mode” with the Magic Keyboard I can go from using my fingers, Pencil, trackpad/mouse, and keyboard all seamlessly. Or in “Clipboard Mode” with just the tablet and pencil/touch I can read, watch, draw/annotate, and show/demo something for someone. There are so many ways to hold/use the iPad vs the MacBook Pro. 2. Thinner and lighter, even with the Magic Keyboard . This is important to me as I’m constantly on the go. 3. I prefer FaceID over TouchID. For me it’s always worked more reliably and quickly. 4. OLED > Mini LED. Not a huge difference, but in the dark and in bright sunlight, the OLED sure is nice. 5. Camera on back for scanning documents, or snapping a quick environmental photo (can also do so more discreetly vs taking out your phone). 6. I’m not sure if this is true, but I’ve always felt like the iPad was a bit more durable than the MacBook. Software: 1. Simplicity - I don’t need more complex desktop apps or deep menus. Yes, the MacBook Pro generally has more feature rich software and capabilities, but I have found that those are overkill for me. I am able to run my business using Zoom, iWork apps, and web-based software. For my hobbies, I use GarageBand, LumaFusion, Lightroom, etc. I am able to do everything on the iPad Pro. I could do everything on the MacBook Pro too, but with an inferior interactive experience IMO. 2. Apps like GarageBand, Lightroom, DJ, Notes, FreeForm, LumaFusion, etc. are more enjoyable with the touch interface and Pencil support. Other apps like News and Books are more enjoyable to read while holding the iPad in tablet mode vs the MacBook. 3. Apps open and close instantly. It’s lightning fast to swipe and switch apps. I love being able to drag an app from the dock to quickly enter split screen. 4. I like the ability to alternate between simple multi-tasking (split screen and slide over) and Stage Manager when using my external monitor. 5. Slide Over is very handy (I always have Calculator, Contacts, ChatGPT, Notes sitting in Slide Over). I use the calculator a lot for work, so it’s great to be able to swipe from the right and do a calculation and then swipe it away. It’s also quicker/easier to tap the numbers on the calculator (touchscreen) on the iPad. 6. There are some native apps that don’t exist for the Mac that I use (Arlo, Insta, KZfaq, games, etc.) 7. The iPad and iPhone operate very much the same way and most of the apps are universal, so it’s easier to go back and forth between an iPhone and iPad than it is between an iPhone and a Mac IMO. GarageBand is a good example (you can pick up where you left off on the iPad and work on a song on the iPhone).

As long-in-the-tooth as it is (and as much as I am envious of my daughter's M1 iPad Pro) I love using my 2017 iPad Pro as an iPad and wouldn't want to change that experience. Buuut... as iPad Pros become increasingly powerful on the hardware side and Macbook Pros become increasingly expensive, I do begin to want to be able to do everything - work and play - on the one device. To replace my M1 Max MBP with the exact equivalent M3 Max MBP, for eg, will cost $1050 more than I paid 2 years ago. I think my relatively simple 4K editing workflow would work on an iPad Pro with 16GB Ram, though being able to do other tasks while rendering out from FCPX or Davinci, as well as better file management (reliability/integrity being paramount) would be necessary. There are a couple of Mac apps that I use in my work that seem unlikely to get iPadOS versions or that have iPadOS versions which have been de-featured by their developers, unfortunately. I'd personally be happy with a dual-booting or emulation solution, even if it was dependent upon connecting to a specific Apple keyboard.

I see a lot of people compare m3 macbook air to a m4 ipad pro why is that?

Great video. This was not a present both sides video, it was definitely a “why can’t they put MacOS on the iPad” video. This was an argument why the people who need MacOS can fit a tablet into their workflow, not why the people who need a tablet also need MacOS. I don’t think the Surface is as popular as the iPad, but I could be wrong. I’ve watched several creators who use the iPad professionally and not one has asked for MacOS. Some overlap exists, but they have different goals. They’ve asked for software improvements most definitely like drawing tablet and stylus functionality.

I really want to upgrade from my 2018 Pro to the new iPad, but I’m waiting for the WWDC event. If they don’t introduce more features to make it a more fully fledged “computer”, there’s just no use to upgrade. I WANT to be able to work on my iPad, but it’s too much of a hassle with the current OS.

I think you said it well when you said software is only half the equation. Nobody is complaining something like the IPad Pro isint powerful enough.

Yes it’s super irritating because they give me a professional audio app in LOGIC but I can’t use any of my PROFESSIONAL plug ins on macOS That’s is the actual problem!

Apple, Bring terminal and other dev tools, Finder and multitasking to iPad! Please!

I feel like when I say I want Mac OS on the iPad people think I say I want to get rid of iPad OS. Nauuuerrrrr give me dual boot!! I want both! I paid $2k I should have both!! 1k each please

Why view it specifically a MacOS chip if the M chips themselves are crippled before they are put into iPads”?

The Files app is such a weird, glaring, out of place blemish on IpadOS. It needs some serious love and debugging. Particularly the network file system support. It's a godsend but it's half-baked at this stage. Hoping it gets better with v18

I’d like to be able to run TVpaint, Toonboom Harmony, Omnisphere on it.

ipados needs something like reverse catalyst, a way for mac app developers to rather easily bring over their apps to ipados the same way it's already been done the other way around

it needs a touch interface and keyword interface.

We all use our tablets in different ways. I am a proponent of maximizing the iPad)S to take advantage of the M-chips. To me, therefore no need to port MacOS onto the iPad. I think also that most other arguments are hung up on form factor arguments: laptop, 2-in-1 versus tablet, keyboard or touch screen. 5:14 i think the true multi-tasking is the reason. But what’s the difference between m chips on an ipad? Are its chip features turned off physically or just not available in Apple’s iPadOS plans?

It took quite a time for me to realize that in those discussion most people saying "multitasking" are speaking about desktop windowing system experience, not about the OS ability to run multiple processes simultaneously. Ha-ha. Dumb me. Sorry, needed to vent it out :)

Only Thing i miss on ipad is lightroom classic with icc Profiles and print Modul

I mean Samsung does it with Dex just steal that idea I don’t see why it’s such a huge deal boot into iPadOS normally but than have the option too open a desktop version of iPadOS that supports browsers and Mac OS apps like Samsung Dex and boom easy

The iPad Pro getting the M4 kinda reminds me of the RiscPC getting the StrongARM…Heck, that dates me 😂

This has been one of the most well-rounded and sensible videos I have seen on the subject of whether or not the iPad should have MacOS. I get most of my work done on a Mac even though I have a 12.9 inch M1 iPad Pro that I would love to be my everything computer and tablet. For my workflow, the problem is the file system. I know that at the end of the day the iPad is a tablet, but the file system is absolutely abysmal even by tablet standards. Apples insistence on doing things their way is what holds the iPad back. iOS and iPadOS have always had a terrible file system. A basic file system is not something that must be complicated. Android pulls it off on every single device.

By wait for WWDC I think some are saying don’t buy / upgrade until WWDC so we know how much of a desktop mode will be added in iPad OS 18

As always a great video. I don’t understand why anyone would want to make the iPad a Mac when the Mac already exists, buy a MacBook. You don’t buy a cheese grater then say “You know what, I wish I could fry an egg on this”, you buy a frying pan! Okay, maybe I should have used frying pan and saucepan as example, they are similar things that do a different job and you buy the one you need. My wife got the 12.9” M2 to watch Netflix!

I like the dual boot idea , after all , you can sort of run two operating systems on your iphone , being chrome or IOS , it would be nice to have an option on the ipad . My first ever apple tablet was the ipad air 4 , which was not what i actually wanted , i wanted the pro big banger , but i had no experience with apple devices and did not know if they where any good or not , so rather than sacrificing an arm and a leg for the big pro ipad , i went with the 16 gig 256 mb ipad air 4 only sacrificing a leg :) . And i still use the hell out of that little ipad and it has been a beauty . I just use it for harry suburban stuff , emails , browsing the web , watching KZfaqs , the very occasional tinkering with basic photo touch up , and it follows me around the house everywhere . As far as the form goes , and features , i actually like the previous chunkier pro ipad models that also had the wide angle camera , why apple had to make the thing as thin as thin as an LP , i`ll never know . Anyway , i still wouldnt mind the M4 13 incher , but im in no hurry to upgrade the air 4 at this moment while it still works like a beauty . Thats my two bobs worth anyway .

The big issue is the compatibility of apps, both for music and photo for which I heavily use a computer du to that there is apletora of plugins and programs that are not converted to the ipad world. Examples of this are for example the many VSTs I own and use for music making and production. On the science side of things the office package is standard and you lack the great tools for reference management and handling of scientific images and pictures. I use my ipad for keeping musicscores, enjoying films and social media. A place where I view stuff not create….

Why would it need to ruin the experience of others? I don’t think anyone, ever, who has proposed MacOS on iPad has implied it would straight up replace iPadOS. They all would be more than happy if it was locked behind a few hoops like, you must have the Magic Keyboard connected, and you must go into some obscure setting to enable it.

Some of us work on our feet .. we don't like to run back to the computer to enter data and review things .. iPad just can't run programs unless there are apps and many programs don't have apps

I find the iPad for me is fantastic for web browsing, email, watching streaming video, viewing and to some extent editing photos, messaging with text and video calls, note taking, drawing, listening to music…. and using a multitude of other apps which are invaluable and much easier than going through a web site…..Where it is let down for me is doing any kind of local coding or web development. So does it need Mac OS…. Probably not if Apple allows programs full capability of the hardware so developers can then take advantage of its power…..

People need to remember that base M chips (M1, M2 etc..) are originally iPad chips (X versions of the A chips). Apple just rebranded them. M1 is essentially A14X.

I don’t think you have to ditch iPad OS, just have an option to run a virtual machine Mac OS. You can charge monthly for it.

Today I bought iPad Air with M2 processor. I wish MacOS on it. I've got a Desktop PC at home. But laptop is a heavy for me.

i dont think mac os is the answer necessarily. but they at least need to scrap current ipad os and rebuild it to be more computer like

Just add more functionality to ipadOS. Add a way to use macOS programs, such as sometype of translation software. But MacOS on the ipad would suck. The entire MacOS would need a hole revamp, larger icons, touch ect ect. So why not just add to ipadOS.

My disability makes using a touch screen iPad far more easier to use than a touchpad mouse on a MacBook. Having a version MacOS on iPad that was modified for touch screen inputs would be a godsend for me. It would be amazing to have access to full AAA titles like Baldur’s Gate 3 and not just the usual mobile games plagued by predatory pay to win features

I have used iPad now since the first iPad ever came out. iPad has replaced my computer for me, however, I don’t use it for work. I watch movies. I read my email, I write occasional letters, you know, just things. I use it for games and my knitting, but I don’t use it for work. It would be nice to have a little faster machine. My iPad Pro is now three years old? So, I’m not ready to upgrade yet. I just don’t want the iPad to be upgraded so much that it cost way too much even for a base model.now, I know this is a tech channel, and there’s mostly tech people here, but there are a lot of us out there who just want an iPad, just to do the plan things.

they just need to continuously improve IPadOS. They've come along way, but there are a few glaring improvements needed to make IPads a true laptop replacement device.

Just give us a software button to switch between the two OSs. Also give them some shared storage, and shared clipboards. In other words, give us options.

I understand that there is much 'content' to be filled on the internet. And that we all have opinions on stuff. What I don't understand, frankly, is how we (I include myself) can be or ought to be enthralled or bothered to have any discourse on running some version of an OS on some device - as a contentious issue. I think it's time to concentrate on my work. Thanks for your efforts though.

To be honest, I will switch to the new Surface Pro 10 with Snapdragon, because the iPad will still be limited to iPadOS

I’m getting used to stage manager, but it’s no substitute for proper windowed apps. I absolutely agree - they need a mode like Samsung offers. But no to MacOS on an iPad - they’re two different devices.

Sounds good but who is going to fund it? Are iPads so profitable that they can fund a massive development effort in macos? And this cost is in perpetuity, all new features have to be designed with this in mind and also tested. Or are we expecting iPhone sales to fund it?

Just like Mac used to have boot camp for those who wanted to run windows, iPad with a Mac chip (m1, m2, and now m4) and Thunderbolt/pcie, there should be an option to run macOS or macOS-lite. Free form window management. Much better file management with the ability to unmount media and format empty media, the macOS traffic lights, the macOS menu bar etc. Give users the option to run the more advanced window manager if they so choose, just like boot camp gave Mac users the ability to run windows if they wanted to.

very good video

should be able to toggle UI between iOS and macOS on iPad, the core os is mostly the same

I’ll say this. I’m upgrading from my iPad soon, if wwdc doesn’t bring anything to make the iPads more like computers. I’m gonna have to switch to the new surface pro line, because apple’s holding the ipad back