Hey Liberty Media, here's a plan - why don't we just have Red Bull in Formula 1. Get rid of all the other teams and have 52 races a year, all in the Middle East.

Moving the goalpost? More like disassembling the goalpost

Stefano Domenicali is a stain on this sport and he needs to be ousted ASAP, at this point he's running F1 like a global mafia taking us much money as possible and keeping it for themselves

Stefano has launched the pettiest move of all time

I don't know about anyone else, but Teams should have no say in this sort of thing whatsoever... if people have the funds and ability to enter and survive, then they should be allowed entry. The "10 best teams" need to suck it up and enjoy competition instead of running from it... Thats my view on f1, it's selectively inclusive for the right price...

Agreed, 12 teams and a maximum of 20 races would be perfect. Its a shame Liberty are so fixated on more races, it was something i was worried about when they first came in and were talking about making every race a superbowl. Less races means that each race becomes more important and more of a spectacle (which would actually be closer to a superbowl than what they have now).

They are really desperate to keep Andretti out.

The year is 2032: There's now 7 US races and Haas is STILL the sole "American" "F1" "Team"

Having teams like Minardi and Tyrell also have the benefit of giving young engineers a place to begin their careers.

More teams more better. That’s the thing I think. Grew up going to the race track with my dad when he raced sport bikes and the classes with more riders were always more entertaining to watch.

Accept the current F1 Teams signed on to an agreement that at any stage the grid could be increased to twelve teams, now they are ignoring that and closing shop. They've actually been receiving more money because of this, because there have been two empty slots and they don't want to give up that extra cash.

FOM is overstepping their bounds even thinking about this. The FIA sets the grid size, not the commercial rights holder.

thats just bullshit FIA should tell F1 let new people in or we pull accreditation

You know it’s bad when 70% fans are agreeing with the FIA of all people.

I’ve been watching f1 since I was a kid, some of my earliest memories were of Michael dominating the early 2000s. If this ends up happening then I will stop watching the sport all together, if f1 wants to give the middle finger to American fans like me then i’ll give them the finger back.

they turned into medieval knight that don t want peasant in their tournament ... you need to show them you are willing to pay but are not dangerous for the standing ( credit car , cnc machine )but not open if you got a racing background ( indy ,rally)

If the concord locks it to 10, it will cost some fans no doubt.

Surely this only works while F1 is in its boom period? As in, it's entirely reliant on the idea that if one of the ten 'franchise' teams go to the wall, there'll be someone else along to pick up the pieces. In the past teams have gone bust and nobody has wanted to buy them - Arrows, Prost, Super Aguri, all three of the new 2010 teams. Because if F1's value goes down and newcomers suddenly aren't interested in buying in any more, you can quickly end up with 14 or 16 cars in each race. If you let eleven, twelve, thirteen teams in before you lock the whole thing down, you can afford to lose a couple in a way you really can't otherwise.

You know what? Let them gatekeep, let them hog everything and jack up the prices and outprice us the common fan because guess what? When you die, you can't take that money with you.

Assuming this ends up coming true, it will have a massively negative impact in the U.S. most of the country is used to a large group of competitive cars that are free to join and leave each racing series as they please. This isn't what any legitimate fans want. I don't think I'd be that interested in watching the series further if they just want to continually gatekeep just so they don't have any outsider competition.

107% rule Luca Badoer "someone called??!!! 12 teams minimal, bit more points then, less races.

Hi folks, American here with expertise on the American franchise model: The last team to fold in the major four leagues was the Cleveland Barons after the 1977-78 season, hilariously they were once an Oakland based team as well. Major League Soccer saw Chivas USA fold after 2014, but in a real gamer move, their franchise operator rights were actually sold off so the new Los Angeles FC team is *technically* a phoenix team. Justice for the New York Giants and Brooklyn Dodgers sadly

Personally, I don't care anymore. I have been a lifetime Formula One (not F1) fan, my first experience was at Silverstone for the 1950 British Grand Prix, but today's races leave me cold.

Love how before you introduce the actual topic you address the much more important news that you have sunshine in the UK while recording😂

I swear liberty media wants all none americans to hate this sport

Nice Coyotes jab there. As a big hockey fan I mentioned the news to my Utah-dwelling friend but couldn't resist adding "but it is the coyotes so don't get too excited".

As an American sports fan, I love the idea of Promotion & Relegation. And congrats on the soon to be 100k subs!

In the end, it says more about Stefano and Toto than it does about Liberty Media and FOM, and just how willing they are to support and defend not only keeping Andretti out, but the ratification of this version of this agreement. Looking and feeling more like an oligarchy than anything else. With shares and seats passed down to family and organizational members, to keep others out, unless they are sold a and then stand to group scrutiny and vote. Then, it will truly be a "closed shop"...

A more serious post now - I don't like the way F1 is headed and I loathe Ben Sulayem but I have to agree with him in this particular instance - more teams equals more chances for drivers to show their worth. As it stands, making F1 like American sports where everything is franchised just devalues the whole thing. It confirms everything that we already know F1 has become - a soulless cash grab which it might always have been but never this blatant. But I've been through all this before. Before Stoddart bought out Minardi, they were noted for having the best coffee in the paddock - a vital win to have!

Fastest circus in the world... I'd also like to see how all the other team ownership can justify Red Bull being the only organisation with 2 teams, indefinitely boxing out competition and getting a competitive and financial advantage.

It does also mean: if a team like Williams goes bancrupt, than they can also race with 9 teams....

Sad Andretti isn't coming to F1

Here's an idea... If more teams join the grid, then why don't you, say, increase the prize pot to compensate? I mean, isn't that what the massive buy-in clause was meant to be for, to pay to the other teams to cover for the reduction in the prize pool? So why not just, make it permanent? You get the team themselves to pay for it year one, discouraging those who aren't serious, and then with the extra money/value theoretically being brought into the sport, your costs are covered, no? And surely, the extra money needed isn't 'that' much more? It's not like everyone's entire budget is covered by the prize money, just sell race rights to another middle-eastern country for a decade and you're sorted. Capped at 12 teams and you've got nothing to worry about. Sure, it might cut into profits for a few years, but it'll increase the value of the sport overall, and that's the goal isn't it, because the entire reason you own commercial rights to something like F1 is because you intend to sell it to someone else one day and get your massive profit then! I mean, there's plenty of trillionaires in the world who'd love to buy it (and then increase it's value again to sell to the quintillionaires that must exist surely, because business works like this apparently)

I started watching F1 in late 80s. For me lots cars was part of run. F1 as evolved in to something not fond of. Where fia wec has arrived in to something i like more. It is getting to point of jumping racing series

Congrats on 100k! You deserve it.

It makes me think back to the bidding process as all the possible contenders where sympathetic to each other. Specifically the Rodin statement.

Congrats on 100k! Looking forward to the Roberto Moreno video

Aintnoway Andretti adds less value than Sauber, Williams, or Alpine If they lock it down to 10 teams, Andretti deserves one of their spots

This is all happening because everyone is paying to watch Formula 1 and Netflix. Furthermore, if we all protested by keeping the stands empty like the Premier League fans did then Formula 1 would do a massive u-turn.

This is what you get when you let the lunatics run the asylum. There has been a rule in the F1 rulebook that states there are 26 spots on the F1 grid and I assume that rule still exists. The fact that teams don't like that rule doesn't mean the should be able to make up their own and then complain about new teams trying to get into the sport. It's ridiculous the teams got this much power over time. To me this whole thing feels like when in football the teams would decide that 9 players per team is enough or the amount of teams in a league should be less and then FIFA just letting them make such changes instead of enforcing the rules as they are. I bet in the world of football everyone would go nuts if that happened.

The 97 Lola looked so good :(

Sad in a way just greed, all ten are equally bad as each other.

"You thought that was stagnation? This is stagnation!" I get why they'd want to lock things up from the financial side of thing, you're looking at a fucking money mountain if a team owner just feels like not playing anymore as long as someone is interested in. Right now, you have some interested parties, so that works... but when you don't... On a related note, the last race I watched was Interlagos last year and that was only because I was generally curious on how it would go when 80% of the city of São Paulo was still out of power following a fucking cyclone. I think they should have bigger worries than raising speculative value.

12 teams, but only 20 places on the grid, that should make Q1 interesting again

Not letting Andretti in is a bigger embarrassment for F1 than the Miami GP, Meanwhile IndyCar will happily open its arms to Prema.

The thing you said about that thing is the right thing as far as things go!

That funny laugh threw me off about Walsall reaching the Prem, if Brighton, Bournemouth & Brentford can do it Aidan, anyone can. This video reminded that, weirdly, Toyota F1 were based in Germany. Guess where? 😏

I wonder if a ‘closed shop’ franchise like this would breach any eu-anti competition laws? ( ok prob not)

I’ve given up hope on F1 sometime in the past year or so. So many good ideas to never be used due to pride, ego, money, pr, “pinnacle of Motorsport”, road relevancy, fans, casuals, pay tv, FIA, FOM, money, “driving technology”, social media, sport vs entertainment, integrity vs viewership, tracks, hypocrisy, money and so so so many other reasons. At this point I’m just watching the bow take on water and the stern point sky high. Until the 50:50 electrification or fully electric comes and the ship breaks in two.

It would be interesting to see the actual Concord agreement itself. And the language that It uses So what's up?The whole thing from falling like a house of cards the concord agreement

99.9K WERE ALMOST THERE LADS ROBERTO STORY WILL TOLD (I'm probably over reacting but congrats adian you deserve this man)

One thing to remember about the money the teams win vs the cost cap, the driver salaries are not part of the budget cap. So any extra money that Red Bull or Ferrari makes goes towards driver salaries but also to either team owners or share holders. This is why Ferrari has been able to offer Hamilton the big bucks to join them next year, and why Verstappens salary pretty much goes up every year. I don't think it is right that they are blocking entries, but it's not really a case of "you win more money than the budget cap, you have extra money you don't need". Simple facts are these. The current agreement allows for two more teams so as Karun Chandhok rightly said, the current prize pot is supposed to be distributed between 12 teams, so the 10 current teams are actually getting more than they should. Now if the current teams are indeed the ones manipulating FOM/Liberty to turn teams down, there are two options here. You either tell the teams to go fuck themselves and enforce the concorde agreement word for word, or you raise the prize pot to appease them. At the end of the day though, if the teams like Haas, Williams & Sauber (well prior to the Audi takeover) want more money, they have to improve their performance. If it is true that Gene Haas is not giving the F1 team the resources it needs, that is on him, not on any new team. He will still get a tiny share of the pot that he then refuses to use to improve the team. Williams/Dorilton obviously have no idea how to use the finances they have after the whole one chassis short debacle.

Making a my team car look like it fits on the grid. Good luck with that. Unless you've got mods.

Let F2 negotiate their own tv rights so we can just watch that lol. All 10 teams make themselves look bad when concord agreement talks are afoot. More cars is just better.

Thanks for stabbing me in the heart with the Coyotes comment... You're not wrong..

When’s the next time warp bus to the timeline where Audi and Andretti are just easily accepted into F1 and the cost for getting on the grid isn’t absurd?

The number one rule of free market competition, kick the ladder after you climate and stop competition.

Loved the dig at the coyotes 😂

And this would just recreate the 80s when Group C ended up bigger than F1. Except back then the FIA knee capped Group C because no way they could be a bigger deal than F1.But now? Doubt it. Also the legality under EU law would be interesting.

Maybe, just thinking aloud mind you, pre quali can return? If they changed to ‘only twenty cars can enter the race’, they could allow more teams to compete. I’m against excluding newcomers. It’s a sport, anyone who thinks they can do it should get a chance. But pre quali could be the test. Or the 107 rule, I dunno. Money should never be a factor, it’s a sport. Glory, realistic expectations, loyalty, sure. A Hawaiian bobsleigh team, why not? You can always try. If you qualify first. Prizemoney as a motivator makes me gag. If that’s it, you’re not a sportsman.

F1 is one of the ultimate rich boys clubs .

12 teams 18 races would be great

Change to three car teams. Note that the Red Bull junior team would have to be bought out by another person or consortium. 30 drivers going for 26 slots would be nice, but liberty wants three or four teams with eight drivers going for three slots while making the cars into another E racing series. What bunch of bullshit!

The sport feels a lot different. It's like they've lost the right direction a bit and are making panicky decisions to steer. And its not working

Seems they're hell bent on destroying all the sucess and momentum built on the 21 season. Thats a shame, but there's pleanty of other good series to watch if they screw this. Remember fellas, you vote with your views!

12 teams, 20 races sounds brilliant... please drop Monaco.

Back in the day I thought everybody has the posibility to run an F1 team, only some things stand in the way: money (for creating the team), pre-qualifying, 107% rule, only top 10 in the championship get prize money

1st. live race in 1964 been to over 100 since. its total $ hi $ now. $ 3.00 for the whole weekend incl. camping at the ring. on S.S. now more than a months income for a procession. I'm a artist who has been painting F1 cars since the 60s I've stopped. rules that dock real racing, driver aids, sewing machine motors, NAH. now monopoly on who can play \ pay. utter mess.

Need to strip Red Bull of the old Italian team and also add another team. Plus the supply of customer parts needs to go too as it's basically made a set of junior teams within the chosen 10 which is just ridiculous.

Nothing without new blood is any good. They want to stay mired in the past when we need new teams and above all new people and as many as possible of both! F1 is thankfully killing itself and I for one will not mourn its passing.

"The English Office over the American Office" Is definitely my new favourite Millwardism

OMG it's 300 to go!!

I've watched F1 since the mid-90s and I really don't like where the business side is going. Seems everyone's got short memories, things won't always be this rosey - manufacturers will leave. What they gonna do when there's another crash and Honda, Audi, Renault decide its time to go. They'll be begging Andretti to build a car. 10 teams should be the minimum... I'll be surprised if this actually happens though, I can see them whacking a $1billion entry fee.

I think it's pretty funny that the opening rumor was that the new concorde agreement was about money. Yea, no kidding. Anyway, I've gotten to the point that there are SO MANY RACES that it's not a big deal to miss a few. So more teams/less races is exactly what I want, too.

With team numbers restricted, no team should ever own a 2nd team. Be a supplier by all means, but you can't own 2x teams in any way. Imho.

It's a really sad sorts when people yern for for the days when Bernie ran Formula 1. Liberty Media is ruining a sport I have been in love with since the mid-90s.

Serious question, with Toro Rosso (or whatever its called now) being obviously owned by Red bull is there anything preventing them from "prototyping" aero stuff and telling red bull whether it works or not. Effectively giving red bull twice the wind tunnel time while their b team is just an amalgamation of all of thr parts that only sprt of work

What a nice thing, like the thing and not the thing talked about in the thing, that thing who that thing in the thing talked about sounded not good. But the thing did a good Job making this thing

I’d despair if this comes to pass. F1 should be about opportunity. You have a car and driver and think you’re fast enough? Then knock yourself out. Many of the teams in F1 are here because they turned up with a car, put the effort in and beat established names. Names that had become complacent. If the sport is just a members club, then it becomes questionable as to whether it truly is the pinnacle of motorsport.

It seems that they should do much like football teams do and advance or relegate teams between the higher and lower tiers. Then they could maintain ten teams in the top level and make room for more competitive teams to rise up.

Aidan, Profit is the thing you are missing. these are businesses that make money, not just break even. Double your money from winning the championship. Sponsor payments are a bonus at that point. Redbull could afford to run with no signage if they chose to. For the team down in 9th or 10th, Andretti coming in reduces the payment they receive further. They struggle to get $120m in sponsorship in the first place and any money from point scoring being watered down by having another team in the mix hurts them terribly.

Don't get why the teams don't want anyone new coming when MBS wants more teams to come in. Why bother with a joining fee and everything if the grid refuses your entry only because that makes it 11 and it's now 1 too many?

Can we have a 't'raa-abit' at the end, just one time please!

F1: We want to be a popular worldwide series for every country. Any single outsider: "cool, I'd like to join, I've met all the qualifications" F1: no, we meant worldwide as fans. No new members can join, we hate anyone outside the club and anyone not in a small selection of european countries. Go away, not wanted unless you're buying tickets only

6:08 The Arizona Coyotes are already a proper NHL team. The new owner franchise owner is just moving them to a new city under a new name. It wouldn't be an expansion team like the Kraken were. Now, where it gets complicated is that the old owner still owns the Coyotes IP and if they can manage to get a stadium deal in place before 2029, would be allowed to make a new Arizona Coyotes that would be an expansion team.

I thought the whole point of the budget cap was to attract new teams to F1?? If you're shutting out newcomers, then we might as well revert to the old rules where everyone could spend as much as they could to win championships; because right now, after watching highlights of the 2010 Chinese GP, F1 is clearly worse off with the current regulations.

Even though I've been a Red Bull fan since they gave Aussie drivers a shot at winning races in the modern era and Minardi since when Stoddard took over, I have zero respect for the current naming of Red Bull 2. Thank's for calling the team Toro Rosso.

F1 has gone from being the sport I loved and followed religiously to an exclusive country club where you have to be a certain class to get membership to. It's pathetic.

Big mistake letting the teams decide if another team gets to join. It will always go against their short term goals and profits.

Just seen the madest racing series from America WF8 for u to check out ,38 cars on a figure 8 track

its actualy insane how fast f1 become a joke

99.9k!!!!!! the roberto moreno story time is coming

Problem is there are teams messing up every season and arent able to fight even for last points. Alpine is going from bad to worse, sauber ... well if that is the team for Audi im worried. Williams dont have enough money to have another spare chasis. Just Toro rosso is kinda consistent and HAAS score some points.

In 1980 the NHL had 21 teams and 16 of them made the playoffs, which was silly. The NHL now has 32 teams, which makes more sense. F1 is in the same position- they need more teams to fill out the field.

Ive subscribed, but now ill have to thing about it .🙂

That was a good thing.

Oh that was just odd

My interest in F1 has really dropped off in recent years for a number of reasons, but primarily because of what I perceive to be a rejection by the current owners of the reason why most people watch F1 in the first place - to see as many competitive cars as possible racing each other with as much action as possible. It’s become way too team and manufacturer-centric in recent years. And by competitive I mean so long as teams can safely keep up with the pack (107%). I remember watching F1 in the early 90’s and sure, it might have been a Larousse driver battling with a Lotus driver for 23rd and 24th place, but it still added to the spectacle and provided something else for the fans to watch. I don’t see how that can ever be a bad thing. It’s totally pointless having more races if the races provide less to the fans. Same goes for other things like Halo. I hate it that the driver’s head is partly covered and feel it separates the driver from the fans. But, even then I’d still have gone with it if management had basically said ‘Ok, we acknowledge that this isn’t ideal and reduces the spectacle by a certain amount, but it’s necessary and we’ll give back to the fans by bringing in regulations to make overtaking easier or the tracks more exciting by eliminating or modifying some of the boring Tilke-rings that butchered some once great circuits’…Has that happened? Nope. Limiting the grid to 10 teams just seems like even more anti-fan, protectionist bullshit like we’ve seen a lot of in recent years imo.

The amount of teams should be limited to 13 in my opinion

If I had the capital I'd buy Haas & rename it Haaas.