I always thought the dude's priorities were a little off when he was more concerned with Angela's genitalia than... _A SEVERED HEAD._ But that's just me.
@griffinboyce28963 жыл бұрын
Dude, right? If I found out someone just killed like ten people I wouldn't be like "wow she's trans". Like not even top ten things I'm worried about lmao
@CSGraves3 жыл бұрын
@@griffinboyce2896 'So many dead... EW, a PEEN!'
@TotinosOtherBoy3 жыл бұрын
@@griffinboyce2896 he isnt trans though
@fluorescentmilkshake3 жыл бұрын
Whose priorities? The Steve Guttenberg-y camp counselor with the huge muscles? (The only reason I ask is because Susie was standing right next to him.)
@CSGraves3 жыл бұрын
@@fluorescentmilkshake It _has_ been 17 years since I last saw the movie, so there's the distinct chance I'm forgetting some of the other characters.
@liulfrmcshane4 жыл бұрын
Off to camp with Counselor May. An excellent way to spend quarantine.
@sadielappin88624 жыл бұрын
[Watching Angela murder someone] Good for her.
@JohnDoe-xf8ew3 жыл бұрын
[Angela severing Peter's head] She was the moment, an icon, a legend.
@TheAlanRaptor3 жыл бұрын
I guess it's like watching Carrie kill people. Just as tragic of a story, honestly.
@CERTAIND00M4 жыл бұрын
This was my super gay Creative Writing teacher's favorite bad movie. We bonded over that fact when I spent the week before Halloween walking around with a hockey mask and Freddy glove clipped to my backpack as a reference to the poster for Sleepaway Camp 2. He pulled me aside, told me I had impeccable taste, and then gave me 10 bonus points for the day. He was an absolute legend.
@CERTAIND00M3 жыл бұрын
@Dench2020 The school was N.O.C.C.A. and the teacher was Brad Richard, an award-winning poet and author. Ask him if it happened.
@lazyrmc Жыл бұрын
@@CERTAIND00M that's really cool
@FloraAnneFauna4 жыл бұрын
"why does Angela gets to talk with the buoys all day, and we have to play vœlleybäll?"
@p.d.l70233 жыл бұрын
Did she actually talk to anyone though?
@Horrorfreak1064 жыл бұрын
"This Movie Does For Trans People What Fight Club Does For White Men" should be the new tagline for this movie.
@lindinle4 жыл бұрын
"you are to humanity what lego bricks are to bare feet." should be the tagline of your life.
@12Tecpatl3 жыл бұрын
@@lindinle good. suffer you little bitch.
@JimmyNails273 жыл бұрын
@@lindinle what does it feel like to be living garbage?
@lindinle3 жыл бұрын
@@JimmyNails27 you tell me.
@BLVCKSHXXP2 жыл бұрын
Angela wasn't trans though. Being brainwashed to act like the opposite gender isn't considered trans. I feel the person who made this video was watching this movie from a personal perspective
@CodyJBriscoe4 жыл бұрын
No mention of the other gay aspect of the film: Ronnie's Shorts
@timblom73644 жыл бұрын
Hi Cody, long time no see! used to watch you back in like 2014, This is some major nostalgia
@leejoelbeasley50054 жыл бұрын
that was standard NBA wear
@orlandowells54003 жыл бұрын
And don't forget about the baseball game scene with the half cut-offs shirts too...😄
@JacksonHerod3 жыл бұрын
Not just Ronnie's.
@p.d.l70233 жыл бұрын
I hate to tell you but everyone dressed like that back then and I suppose it just didn't seem that way at the time.
@SodaPopBot4 жыл бұрын
Ngl - That ending still creeps me out, with the uncanny mother’s dialogue, the creeping music building up and the dark lighting and unnatural posing and deep moaning. I think the killer’s face at the end was a facemask? Saw some behind the scenes image on Google.
@isnanesavant4 жыл бұрын
"Ladies and gentleman-" yea- "and those that are not" yo that me!!!
@CERTAIND00M4 жыл бұрын
I MC burlesque shows (or did before the plague) and my go-to is, "Ladies, gentlemen, neither and/or both..."
@JimmyNails273 жыл бұрын
@@CERTAIND00M right on. I too host burlesque and cabaret shows and use a similar line.
@ArtsyFoxo4 жыл бұрын
Can we also just note how fuckin' weird that mom character is? She's in the movie for such a short period of time. Yet her performance is super memorable.
@Trowa714 жыл бұрын
She kinda reminded me of Mister Deltoid from A Clockwork Orange.
@masonpomeroy87644 жыл бұрын
I think you’ll find there’s a WHOLE BAG!
@DrGregoryHouseIT4 жыл бұрын
Her aunt? The one that practically represents transphobia?
@blitzie663 жыл бұрын
Gregory House elaborate pls, i thought the aunt was just psycho
@WhoTookMyMirr3 жыл бұрын
She was scarier than Angela tbh
@sonikmuff4 жыл бұрын
"I support your journey, Angela"
@pistachioinlove28624 жыл бұрын
"Yass queeen slaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyy"
@fake-inafakerson80874 жыл бұрын
I'd love a remake from her perspective. Like that's designed to be sympathetic to her
@CASTROandXOUT4 жыл бұрын
I mean they spend the whole movie bullying Angela so id say it would be pretty weird if you didnt already sympathize with them
@derekgaines76794 жыл бұрын
@@CASTROandXOUT Agreed, you sympathize with her from the get-go. A lot of horror fans in the day were awkward and well, you can slap an awkward rubber stamp on Angela. By the second movie she's fully transformed and comfortable in herself. As a girl and a killer, and just wants the damn summer camp experience she wanted when she was younger and wanted people to just play their roles.
@Aster_Risk4 жыл бұрын
I think the movie always wanted you to sympathize with her so you'd be conflicted about all the killing. But they also clearly felt that she was mentally ill from being forced to be raised as a girl. It's an accidentally trandphobic film, but still sympathetic.
@lindinle4 жыл бұрын
ok as long as i get to make a movie that paints hitler in a positive light. i mean while we are on the topic of making bad guys sympathetic...
@lilyk37343 жыл бұрын
@@lindinle yeah sure I mean, there's no difference at all between genociding millions and killing a small group of bad people in a situation where like, it's arguable you don't have a whole lot of options there. Like about to be raped and killed by a pedophile and you're only hope to stop them is to kill them because even if you like knocked them unconscious they're going to wake up and use their social power to just try kill and rape you but more violent now as revenge and like really killing them or stripping them of their power which trans kids can't do are your only options? Well, you just have to get raped and die because if you don't that's literally the same as genocide, but apparently you getting raped and killed isn't the same because nothing's wrong with the movie trying to vindicate the people who want to hurt her? I think you might be being a little dishonest here, and also why Hitler? Like the guy people frequently do sympathise and rewrite history to make correct lol like you're also lying about that being a thing that isn't done with disgusting frequency and this, false equivalency is so blatantly obvious you're also yourself, blatantly obviously writing this at least a little sympathetic to Hitler, given that is what it means to downplay and trivialise the harm he's done to such a staggering degree
@PrinceMallow3 жыл бұрын
Angela's cousin, Ricky, is also a good ally because his response to seeing Angela mistreated is to beat the shit out of them.
@bigbuckeyes4 жыл бұрын
My theory: So the story is built on Angela being initially raised under the male gender, and then forced by a cray cray lady (who is a doctor) to transition to female. Meanwhile, they don't seem to get out much and they don't have any friends besides Ricky. At the same time these kids are going through puberty. Angela, who never chose to be a girl, is being forced to bunk with the girls. I think Angela is crushing on Judy the whole time and that's why they can't keep their eyes off her. Meanwhile the person they get along best with is Ricky's friend Paul. But what gets Angela to break out of their shell is Paul talking to Angela like theyre a friend and "one of the guys". Paul, however, is sexually interested in Angela, and Angela goes with it a bit until it becomes triggering. Such as the kissing scene and beach scene. But Angela never liked Paul in that way. Still, his betrayal cuts even deeper since he was kissing Judy. That really its a story about the feeling of dysphoria. Both in terms of gender and sexuality.
@Xehanort104 жыл бұрын
The long stares Angela gives Judy suggest that. Judy's bullying probably put an end to any crush Angela had though.
@bigbuckeyes3 жыл бұрын
@@Xehanort10 Definitely, which was brought to a head when The Betrayal happened as Judy seduced Paul. Angela killing and also raping Judy with a hair iron can be seen as an extension of the sexual nature of her view of Judy. And Paul being her most brutal killing (decapitation) reflects how brutal his betrayal of friendship was.
@ktitwayne-leeakabane13453 жыл бұрын
I 100% agree with you and that is my theory too! :)
@rachellavalle48973 жыл бұрын
Yesssssss
@markalexander36593 жыл бұрын
Angela just hated Judy. She's attracted to boys and DOES like Paul. She mentions in one of the sequels that things between them ended to him having "a bad reaction" to her true self.
@Trowa714 жыл бұрын
A couple of heterosexuals killed her family, then for whatever reason transitioning is forced upon her? (right?), then she (as I saw it) took revenge on this super hetero/traditional camp. Like, being traditional hetero horn dogs made those kids such shit heads? Like idk, seems like the themes are too muddied to glean a transphobic or protrans message. Like or maybe it was purely a bait and switch. Cause when the dude and kid get run over by the jet ski, we see the little boy lived, and maybe the filmmakers were sincerely hoping it wasn't stupid obvious that it was Angela killing the campers hoping we'd assume the boy was running around somewhere avenging her. And then they wrote themselves into a corner, needed a twist, and just made that odd (but neat) trans effect at the end? (that face tho) Then gave the twist a single line to explain it then end the movie. I wonder if a script exists.
@CERTAIND00M4 жыл бұрын
When the conclusion of a feature-length film makes you genuinely wonder if a script for it exists... ^That's quality schlock, baby.
@zombiemomsen664 жыл бұрын
Exactly.
@danewardlocke90144 жыл бұрын
Apparently the kills were meant to feel deserved, and the director regretted some where the victims didn't actually do something that bad, compared to how awful most of them are. Angela was meant to be sympathetic while her victims very much weren't supposed to be, though I suppose you could still argue that it's just meant to make it more "surprising" when she turns out to be the killer instead of Ricky or something. I don't know, but it seems like it could be relevant at least.
@Trowa714 жыл бұрын
@@danewardlocke9014 That's fair, I think for the most part he was successful finding catharsis with killing the bullies aside from the last kill. And that would have helped the reveal if it wasn't already so obv. What he should have done was made it ambiguous which kid at the start died, and showed a male body doing the killing. (Also is there a theme at all? We could use one of those maybe.) And in the canoe murder, have the kid say "who tf are you" rather than "the boys would freak out seeing u here" giving the whole thing away.
@ELPMCFlashFrame4 жыл бұрын
Hey Nyx, one of the things you missed talking about, maybe it just didn't click, or you decided it wasn't important for the video, but I'd like to actually look at the entire Trilogy [ignoring Sleep Away Camp 4... no one counts 4...lol] Is that one of the common talking points from the transphobe fans is that Angela snaps because her transition was forced on her. Which in a vacuum of just SAC1, you can make the argument she's likely suffering massive gender dysphoria due to being forced into the feminine role. HOWEVER, if you look at the trilogy as a whole, by Sleep Away Camp 2, Angela's transition was apparently handled while she was in a mental institution. [sure we're furthering the 'trans people are crazy' narrative, but hold with me here.] Angela suffers no obvious signs of Gender Dysphoria by SAC2... none, she seems completely comfortable in her body and with herself and even with her sexuality and her body. Sure she's rather conservative in her ways sexually, but she knows she looks good and does use that to her advantage against her victims. And doubly so in Sleep Away Camp 3. Personally, Angela is super important to my own transgender journey, I never viewed her as a monster, if that was the intention of the director, he failed terribly on that, but did deliver a story that made me feel for Angela, and furthermore, the 2 direct sequels only furthered the feeling that Angela isn't a monster because she's trans, but that she was pushed to a breaking point, on top of other mental trauma from her youth[death of her father, ect], that caused her to snap, really in my mind, the fact she's transgender is incidental to her character, which I feel is one of the strengths of the movie. They never treat her like you'd expect someone telling an anti-trans message to treat her [beyond her being bullied, but kids bully kids all the time, so it's not purely due to her transgender status.] I don't feel you can look at Angela without including her portrayal in the sequels, as it paints a more complete picture of her as a person beyond her killer and transgender status. Just, something I always like to put out there when people discuss Sleep Away Camp.
@matthewbennett19724 жыл бұрын
Flash Frame my big question is was she psychopathic before going to camp or did she snap there? Also there is a theory that Ricky did all the other killings besides the beach beheading. I think Angela is a psychopath with lots of repressed anger that just happens to be a trans woman ( not by choice initially). I think it speaks to how we have roles thrust upon us by others. For a sympathetic killer that end scene is terrifying the animal growling that face classic.
@horrorhabit84213 жыл бұрын
I remember in Sleepaway Camp 2 one of the camp counselors was telling a story about Angela around the campfire, and he said, "While she was locked up, she got a sex-change operation, and our parents' tax dollars paid for it." And that tax thing was apparently the scariest part, in his mind.
@joshhale93554 жыл бұрын
Hey May, I just wanted to say that I’ve been a follower and fan for awhile now and that you being so out and proud about your gender identity has helped me realize my own. I just wanted to thank you for that.
@victoriakonrad97244 жыл бұрын
samesies tbh
@Kevo64923 жыл бұрын
Congrats to all of you!
@ajjolly23334 жыл бұрын
The best part of this movie to me is all the unintentionally hilarious dialogue. That’s one of the biggest reasons to watch it imo. I also really like the first two sequels. Even though they’re comedies and the kills are heavily censored, they feel like much more positive portrayals to me. And Pamela Springsteen as Angela is so fucking fun to watch
@other_doctor4 жыл бұрын
petition to rewrite Sleepaway Camp as a revenge thriller
@FurubaGirl084 жыл бұрын
The thing I never understood: what the hell was up with Angela's "animal noises"? As if she's snarling in her final form..😅
@urspookyate4 жыл бұрын
HNGG me too this scared me a lot ngl
@markt84753 жыл бұрын
Even back in the day she was the most sympathetic killer in a horror movie. I saw this on VHS when I was like 12 and we all felt sorry for her. There's literally no reason to hate her for her actions even before the big reveal. The sequels were hideous but this one is a classic.
@BeccaBerneda4 жыл бұрын
It occurred to me that the trans identity was forced upon Angela in the same way that cis-identity is forced onto trans people when they’re growing up or even as adults. She did not choose to be a girl, her aunt chose for her. If you ascribe the idea that she kills “ because she’s trans” (which honestly feels like the intention of the filmmakers. Otherwise they wouldn’t have the stinger take on such an ominous tone) That’s not really because she’s trans but because she’s being denied her own gender identity. Which circles back around to be a pro trans narrative anyway. It’s a lot of mental gymnastics to make this not transphobic, but it is a start.
@Phos673 жыл бұрын
What's transphobic about it?
@flo42233 жыл бұрын
I think the same way! But unfortunately as you speculated I feel like the writers and a lot of the audience at the time would have been transphobic about it 😔
@Nightman221k3 жыл бұрын
The ironic part is how the sequels have Angela transition to female when the first film pretty much shows that being forced to be female when Angela didn't want to be was what caused Angela's murderous tendencies.
@jayeofmanyhats28393 жыл бұрын
I have interviewed Felissa (Angela) several times for a horror convention. I've asked her this exact question about the intention behind making it. At no point did the writer/director treat the character as anything but a girl. The twist at the end was to show this was forced upon her, probably intended as an unintentional torture of "Peter" as a child by the Aunt. However Angela is a girl. And in the Horror Community she is considered THE Female Slasher. She is treated as female by fans throughout the series and she is rooted for as the "hero" of the first one since all those kills are 100% justified. Throughout the rest of the franchise she sticks with (for the most part) only killing "deserving" people. Just my two cents. Absolutely love your content BTW just wanted to add a little more info since I had it straight from the Queen's mouth as it were.
@beqiblaqheart93884 жыл бұрын
I always thought she was the hero of the movie. The thing that scarred me way more in this movie was the pedo cook.
@lossmoss73784 жыл бұрын
I get that a lot of ppl are distressed (?) about the concept of Angela being forced to transition but the (dubious quality) sequels pretty much confirm that's not the case if ppl want in-universe comfort. Angela is a trans-woman.
@ThirdEyeFilmz4 жыл бұрын
Perhaps Angela’s parents were trying to “cover up” her dysphoria but inadvertently gave Angela the power she really needed to become independent and autonomous from everyone through violence
@allisonfields31084 жыл бұрын
Oh, I never saw the sequels and this is actually somewhat comforting. I myself am not trans but my girlfriend is and she was always super distressed about this, and she felt guilty for actually liking the film for the same reason a lot of trans folks do. Maybe we'll sit down for a movie night and watch the sequels soon!
@DrGregoryHouseIT4 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, that makes it worse.
@anatrindade84464 жыл бұрын
and in the sequels shes almost the anti-hero. definitely not the villain at least
@ryno15094 жыл бұрын
Most of the sequels aren’t cannon to the original the writer confirmed, I’ve even heard that the Angela with amnesia might not even but the same character she just thinks she is
@janevivian244 жыл бұрын
I wish there was a horror film with a trans protagonist portrayed well. That would be pretty nice.
@ChicaneryBear4 жыл бұрын
The only trans character I can think of who isn't depicted negatively in mainstream horror is Lambert in Alien. And that wasn't confirmed until Aliens. And that was only a background detail.
@arieldreemurr62844 жыл бұрын
@@ChicaneryBear Lambert is great, but there's so much loaded into Alien in regards to the symbolism of each death - and what happens to Lambert is probably the most screwed up thing in the entire film.
@WORMMOTHER6664 жыл бұрын
Uh I mean it's more of a horror political thriller but there's a trans woman in assassination nation.
@derekgaines76794 жыл бұрын
Y'know I'd consider Angela the protagonist in these first two movies. Second she's murdering at first people who were in her eyes, corrupt. Just wanting a decent summer but the corrupt staff keeps screwing it up so they gotta go. Then she just says "Fuck it, let's mulligan this whole thing". Of course if you watch them out of order and don't know Angela is Trans it's a surprise when it comes up again but she's much more comfortable by then mentally and empowered.
@quint25684 жыл бұрын
@@ChicaneryBear the way it should be. A well written character doesnt have to have everything thrown in your face. Look at arrow and how well they did it
@teslajambox4 жыл бұрын
god ive never identified with a video's thesis this much like i dont even have the words thank you counselor may
@Theterrifiedgamer4 жыл бұрын
We must not forget about the sequels starring Bruce Springsteen’s actual sister as Angela
@slatersann34404 жыл бұрын
Honestly I just really love the kills in this movie, very creative and gruesome
@timblom73644 жыл бұрын
Best part of the movie is the song "angela's theme" it is so fucking catchy and sweet, actually working on a cover rn
@tomlangford19994 жыл бұрын
Who exactly gave May permission to produce such a banging theme song
@ChewbaccaOnDrugs11304 жыл бұрын
Satan
@SharkPalace4 жыл бұрын
I can't find the name of her song do you know it ?
@Thomas_of_the_forest4 жыл бұрын
@@SharkPalace it's her own music
@mystermistery4 жыл бұрын
@@Thomas_of_the_forest Is it available on one of her albums? I've searched through and can't tell if I've just missed it or if it's not for release. I want it. I want it real bad.
@SharkPalace4 жыл бұрын
@@Thomas_of_the_forest Yeah i know , but what's the name of the song x)
@imboredso40354 жыл бұрын
God, i haven't watched Nyx fears in so long. Just hearing her voice and seeing the intro immediately put me at ease.
@els1f4 жыл бұрын
"Ladies and gentleman and those that are not: We have a queen." BTW: the most literal use of "Slay Queen" in history 😁
@HalloweenBaby10314 жыл бұрын
So glad to have you back counselor May! I always miss you when you’re gone away for so long
@munromister7774 жыл бұрын
I could see this movie actually being made for not terrible transphobic reasons. The actors who played the characters seem like nice people, and the sequels go more into how Angela fully transitioned after the first movie. Part of me might say it was probably for shock value that Angela was originally Peter, forced to transition by her weird Aunt, but at the same time, this movie still shows her in a more sympathetic light than most of the other characters in the movie, besides maybe her cousin and closest ally, Ricky.
@VelvetVexations3 жыл бұрын
I meeeeean, I'm a trans girl myself but while stuff like this is certainly transphobic I think that given the time period it was made in it's a little weird to treat it's transphobic nature as clashing all that much with the people involved being generally good folk. It's not like a Founding Father raping slaves where something was always a clear hideous evil regardless of it's contemporary popularity, finding humor or shock in gender breaking is something I'm willing to give people a break for up until about the last couple of decades.
@kaybaucum56793 жыл бұрын
I think angela's character better represnts that of a trans masc experience than of a trans feminine. Angela is forced to present as female, she seems uncomfortable around women and in womens spaces, and she makes no female friends/ typically wants to be by herself or with ricky and paul. As a trans masculine person and my experiences with other trans masc people,i think the analogy really works from that angle. But thats just my thoughts, regardless i think its a great analogy for trans people in genral and i love your videos May!!
@blueoblivionx2 жыл бұрын
I completely agree!
@literature4lovers9654 жыл бұрын
Loving the mandolin strumming in the intro and throughout the video! Thank you for addressing the fact that the art we experience in life shifts, changes, and evolves with the experiences we have with us. Fantastic lighting as well btw! 💜
@joeisonlyaverage13134 жыл бұрын
I just came across this channel by a recommendation by a friend- and I’m loving it so far! You’re a really wonderful and cool person! I hope you have a great day!
@lucidvalidity70564 жыл бұрын
I remember back in the early 2000s growing up when I was in my middle school age I would always be left home alone to enjoy myself wether it be my video games or being online on KZfaq and the such but I would be home alone and I loved watching adult swim in the late night that still gave you a unique feeling and vibe when your home alone and in a spooky mood I remember being in love with the IFC channel from WKUK to Wilfred and there anime specials but there horror films and cult classic specials are what really set me in a mood like no other I remember being intrigued by sleepaway camp it's buildup and atmosphere was foreboding but the ending was so sudden for my mind as a child I was struck sith fear at the sight of Angela's still expression that I couldn't move even with my rooms lit up I was in shock but I loved the film and it grew with me anyway than you for the video Nyx I wish you the best in life and hope you take care
@paulirvine95824 жыл бұрын
Nyx I just want to say that your opening is, like, the best opening in all of youtube.
@horrorbusinessproductions4 жыл бұрын
I love your videos so much, you always manage to make me see films in a new way, while making me laugh my ass off at your sense of humor 🤣 my favorite KZfaq channel
@kitcryptid4 жыл бұрын
yesss May, this is so great and you articulated my feelings about it way better than i could 💖 i had all the same thoughts when i rewatched it recently!!
@mlghitler2514 жыл бұрын
Great Video!!! The reason I like this movie and your channel are because they're so damn unique and stand out with interesting and nuanced takes on movies and horror that others don't have
@Antdevamp4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for saving my lost old film. I like the new background.
@gavintarry21954 жыл бұрын
Great content as always. I'm a new sub & just wanted to say thanks for putting me onto so many new movies & for being a star while doing it. I'm also a mandolin player so this made smile
@Anchor_Wolf3 жыл бұрын
This was just randomly recommended to me and I knew I recognized your name from somewhere. I totally remember your videos from before you transitioned. Just wanted to say I’m really happy for you and I’m glad I found your videos again! Much love!
@sharaofthesea93404 жыл бұрын
Angela is a total queen and so are you May ❤️
@CERTAIND00M4 жыл бұрын
*hashtag realtalk*
@silvernekobaka143 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I'm so happy that May likes this movie. I just saw it for the first time yesterday and I actually felt kind of guilty for liking it because the twist is so outdated. Seeing it in this perspective makes me feel kind of vindicated in a way for thinking it was a fun garbage movie.
@rowanhunter5002 Жыл бұрын
I just watched it after watching this and omg she's a queen in my opinion. Her dead stare whenever she got picked on was QUEEN SHIT.
@Thomas_of_the_forest4 жыл бұрын
Awh, it's felt like a while since one of your videos! Not even a minute in, and I'm already delighted to see a new video!
@arieldreemurr62844 жыл бұрын
Great video, as always! The most unforgivable thing from the movie to me is how it perpetuates the "forced to be trans by abusive figure" trope. It's one of the most harmful tropes in a cluster of harmful, dangerous tropes. For example, even Dark Souls 1 and 3 do this, with the implication that the trans character was forced to be. For as problematic as the movie is, I feel like I could still forgive it all if it wasn't for this most disgusting of tropes.
@ThirdEyeFilmz4 жыл бұрын
Yea the most harmful thing about this trope is that cis people don’t understand dysphoria to begin with, then they’re told that someone can be forced to transition they think that is what dysphoria must be related to. It just confuses the audience.
@NamelessAidan3 жыл бұрын
It's actually fascinating in a way because the only way some cis people can comprehend gender dysphoria is imagining a cis-gendered person being physically forced to transition to the opposite sex/gender, hence essentially giving the cis character gender dysphoria. If only they could take the extra step to understand that is how a trans person feels when they are physically or socially forced to present as their birth sex. I think that is why the first Sleepaway Camp reads as both transphobic and sympathetic from a trans perspective... in representing the perceived horror a cis person feels at the idea of gender transitioning, they accidentally stumble onto almost the exact experience of an actual trans person.
@KidKryptid4 жыл бұрын
Oh man I watched Sleepaway Camp for a representation class and remember being super into it until it became "oops all transphobes" at the end. This def makes me wanna rewatch this
@amiandivh4 жыл бұрын
I actually watched this before I realized I was bi and I haven't gone back and watched it in a different light. I still love this movie
@elithegreat2054 жыл бұрын
I have watched the sleep away camp and the series long before the 2000s. Great movies and I’m glad you’re bring them too light. 👍🏽 good job, you’re doing great!
@dustafee6662 жыл бұрын
"she just fucking murders them and you're like "wow! Cool!"
@internetspookies Жыл бұрын
she’s so slay i can’t help it
@BountyHuntress164 жыл бұрын
This was the prompt I needed to watch this movie at last and 1) it was filmed near where I grew up 2) Judy with her long hair and a shirt that says "Judy" is everything
@BENTWILLKILLYOU4 жыл бұрын
I found this video very informational and the wife very beautiful
@danteller82824 жыл бұрын
GOD DAMMIT NYX! Look, I'm a cys white dude, but I went through my early twenties playing music, going to weird performance art events, hanging out in galleries drinking free wine, and just generally getting to know a hugely diverse cast of people and finding value in all of them. Life did its thing and now I'm stuck in a suburban hellhole in which people think masks are taking away their freedom rather than just being an awesome way to accessorize and as long as they don't SAY they're a bigot, they must not be one. Le siiiiigh... you can ignore all of that. I think I just needed to vent, and your videos remind me of less frustrating, more interesting times.
@sophiarose6564 жыл бұрын
I got the notif for this video while I was watching Sleepaway Camp omg. Great commentary on one of my absolute favorite horror movies. Thanks goth mom 🖤🖤🖤
@SpellboundWolf4 жыл бұрын
Whoa, dude. That's an awesome coincidence!
@sophiarose6564 жыл бұрын
@@SpellboundWolf I know right?? I was so excited to see the notif holy shit
@blueoblivionx2 жыл бұрын
I'm a transguy who cosplayed Angela and took a photo with Felissa Rose at a con because this movie had such a huge impact on me. It's so ridiculously cheesy and hilarious but somehow also the best horror movie about dysphoria. Angela's story fits so well as like a transman revenge fantasy because you can read the character as a man trapped in the body of a woman who deals with so much intense dysphoria that he loses it and goes on a murderous rampage haha. I'm so glad someone else thinks this is a punk rock transgender movie :P
@punchydonut27984 жыл бұрын
I randomly stumbled across this once on tv when i was maybe middle school age, and i was rooting for her the whole time lol this was a trip i totallly forgot about it
@KC_Masterpiece4 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love this movie! And I absolutely love you and your content!!! Thanks for being awesome! 💕
@sheen82704 жыл бұрын
The bit about acid at the end had me cracking up. Thank you May!
@postiesue724 жыл бұрын
oh the smile on my face when i saw you had uploaded , great to see you back :)
@rilsinbee4 жыл бұрын
i just watched sleepaway camp so i could watch this vid (plus there was like 3 synchronicities involving it too) and i loved your take on it. i enjoyed it the whole time but was bummed about the ending but you this vid made me feel really positive about it and i think its a new fav of mine thank u so much may
@lindinle4 жыл бұрын
bummed about the ending?
@pixymae3 жыл бұрын
The really funny thing is that I'm a trans man, and I've always read the movie as being about forcibly closeted. Peter is a boy, but his guardian treats him as a daughter, and dresses him in girly clothes, and calls him "Angela," and that really aligns with how I grew up. It's not a perfect reading, since in the fiction it's a cis boy and the transing of the gender is not his choice, so like, that sucks, but I vibe with it as a metaphor for being a guy and having everyone around you see you and treat you like a girl. So, there you go, there's another example of how context can change the meaning of a story!
@markalexander365910 ай бұрын
Ricky is awesome, too! He OBVIOUSLY knows Angela's secret and is super-supportive both in helping her keep it and also in wanting to beat the shit out of anyone who picks on her
@markalexander36593 жыл бұрын
Sleepaway Camp seems to intentionally set your expectations so low because then THAT ENDING comes and leaves you feeling like you just finished a masterpeice.
@Xehanort104 жыл бұрын
10:23 That guy's clearly fake moustache is the real horror.
@anonymoususer71943 жыл бұрын
😂👌
@possqueenvivvie4 жыл бұрын
everyone else remembers this movie for the ending. i remember it for "eat shit and live"
@DeconTheed924 жыл бұрын
From the perspective of a Gender Questioning individual: If ever there was a good answer For criticising and analysing “trash” on a deeper level, arguing beyond it’s intent and dissecting it layer by layer, Sleepaway Camp is it. On the one hand, the whole twist around Angela reads to me as a just that; a shocking swerve thrown in to make people go “gWUAH?!?!?!”. I feel that if the movie were written or directed or produced by froth-at-the-mouth trans hating nightmare people explicitly to be a really cry for like minded individuals, it’d be more overtly explicit- or, at the very least, would have Angela killing people that did absolutely nothing to her at all to make her appear entirely unreasonable. The presence of the “oh she was FORCED into it by her aunt so she’s just Coocoo for Coco Puffs actually” is still a big Collar Tug Moment™️ mind you regardless, but I feel that that- and indeed even the twist itself- is (and I ‘say’ this in the most sarcastic tone possible) “””A Product of a More Innocent Time”””. However on the other hand, the intent doesn’t really matter; because of the way the film is as a whole, it can be read in a multitude of ways from it being deeply, cruelly hateful to trans people or, as discussed, can be read as actually somewhat validating and supportive of the trans women experience. I personally argue that given that her victims are generally people that have actually wronged her- or were going to wrong her on no uncertain terms- and as Problematic™️ as her backstory is that it’s even there and presented as a freudian excuse, that ultimately the film wants to side with her. Or, at the very least, the film wants her to have layers and dimension beyond simply being the killer, or simply being “””a boy in disguise”””. But that’s just my read, innit. As other folks in here have mentioned, that Sleepaway Camp 2 and 3 bring the character back, centralise her and make her the protagonist (if a villainous one, which isn’t without its own dose of Yikes), and make her arguably even more likeable also makes them come across as more Pro Trans then probably intended, because Death of the Author and individualistic readings are a wild trip like that. Either way, We Have No Choice But To Stan.
@DarkenedArk3 жыл бұрын
your videos are getting me through my pneumonia. love you May 💜
@wrsltnmusclefan3 жыл бұрын
The first movie where a gay dad has two kids? That was fairly progressive for 1983. It's not played as a joke either. There's a flashback where Angela and her brother Peter see the dad and bf making love and giggle. But that was just adolescence seeing something they never seen. Just a positive aspect that I noticed in the movie.
@dfdsfdsfdsfsd8623 жыл бұрын
really can't thank you enough for this rec and your super valid analysis! also shoutout to the props people for this movie who decided that all the corpses should look exactly the same despite being killed by boiling water, drowning, and bees respectively.
@chesskinge4 жыл бұрын
Far and away my favorite reading of Sleepaway Camp ever. Awesome video.
@Nilnot4 жыл бұрын
Love your videos! Thank you for wonderful content! Stay safe and strong :)
@DarkLegion754 жыл бұрын
New May content! Well, my day just got a whole lot better!
@ChibiFighter4 жыл бұрын
I love Angela and I always feel so bad for her whenever I watch the movie, thank you for creating this May.
@lunardork42914 жыл бұрын
Sleepaway Camp 2 was accidentally my first horror movie because I woke up to it during a starz free trial when I was 6 at 2 AM and I thought it was a fever dream. Same thing happen with Eyes Wide Shut
@spanmatt4 жыл бұрын
This is one of my favorite movies and I clicked right away when I saw you had made a video about it!!! Your analysis really nails the feeling of the film. The whole time I was team Angela #girlboss bc everybody she kills is asking for it
@MeonLights4 жыл бұрын
For some reason this movie keeps reminding me of a Detective Conan episode (sorry for bringing up anime lol) There is a three part story about a series of murders centered around a pianist and the murderer leaves clues in rewrites of the Moonlight Sonata pieces. And it turns out SPOILER The son of the pianist is going on a revenge murder spree against those who either killed his dad or drove him to suicide. But then the detective finds out the son is hiding among them but is now a doctor lady. And I watched several translations but never figured out if the author says the woman just happens to be trans and used that to hide her heritage even better or if the son medically transitioned to hide who he is (which seems like a really long con and I don't believe) either way she plays a piano in a house on fire and when Conan tries to get her out she is like "nah I'm good all the assholes are dead" and throws the kid out of the window which was kinda badass. . ...I might have problems lol. Love you May. -a fellow trans
@brandid20104 жыл бұрын
Glad to see you back!
@shohaiku4 жыл бұрын
Omg where have you been?..regardless happy for the upload! 😊
@emmamcraven_20053 ай бұрын
The most scariest part was he was all naked and making that horrifying sound like geez
@alicek51784 жыл бұрын
I am so ready for the reclamation of Angela! also I wish shudder or similar horror entity would sponsor you, your content is and always has been fantastically entertaining and often informative
@Azrael-Legna Жыл бұрын
I watched Sleepaway Camp 2 last night, and it was confirmed that Artie the perverted cook did die from his injuries.
@ouroboros784 жыл бұрын
The mandolin is a nice touch
@scottygilmer6914 жыл бұрын
Great stuff as always. Thanks May!
@Catty01174 жыл бұрын
May, your aesthetic is perfection, please don’t change 💖
@OhEmilyRosa Жыл бұрын
This is one of my fav vids of yours. Not sure why.
@FloraAnneFauna3 жыл бұрын
the fact that they clearly reshot a big part of the movie and one character had shaved his moustache off so they just taped one over with electrical tape just adds to the ambiance y'know
@philipdarrenellwell19944 жыл бұрын
Then Sleepaway Camp II just sweeps everything under the rug with some clunky campfire exposition...
@marxmeesterlijk4 жыл бұрын
May is back! yeah. I was just wondering when you would upload a new video. Anyway, you failed to mention all the really short shorts! Sleepaway camp is really weird movie, but I did really like it. So i'm glad others enjoyed it too.
@CouncilofGeeks4 жыл бұрын
Not the take I was expecting and I love it.
@unholyarrowxx50384 жыл бұрын
May where can i buy ur opening theme I've bought ur discography but haven't seen this :,(
@MonsterGirl01711 күн бұрын
This is the best summary and opinions on this movie.
@snakesonaplanerox4 жыл бұрын
I kind of love this interpretation. It was before my time and I only learned about it after knowing the problematic elements...which made it seem like something I wouldn't enjoy. But watching it through this lense could be awesome.
@jackmcgrath93754 жыл бұрын
may you give off really cool aunt vibes and i say that in the best way possible