Watching this video made it clear to me why God takes marriage so seriously as a symbolic representation of Christ and His love for His bride, the Church. This kind of love, consideration, humility, and maturity is so necessary in the body of Christ and the world. The way you two communicate the gospel is just plain OILY 🙌🏼🥴 To have the gospel message bleed through in even as difficult a conversation as the systematic oppression of black people in America is nothing short of God-breathed. And to think, you wondered if people would actually want to watch you guys just do life and have couch conversations?! This is more powerful than you thought. And that was always God’s intent.

Jackie’s tongues in the beginning will NOT worry me! 😂😂😂😂😂😂

YES! “People are more patriotic than Christian...” 🤯 Jackie you articulated what I have been searching for words to describe.

I'll never forget in high school, I learned the power of the media and images as it relates to black people. We had a foreign exchange student who was from Norway. On his last day, we gave him a going away party and when he came up to talk to the class, he said one of the biggest thing he learned is that black people aren't dangerous. He said when he came here, he literally thought all black people had weapons on them (which is not illegal, but another discussion) and were in gangs because of what he saw in movies and TV, He thought he could be beat up or killed. He said going to our school and making black friends changed his point of view.

"Christianity and Patriotism are not the same." 👏👏👏

"Patriotism and Christianity are not the same thing". I've been trying to figure out how to word this for years. Thank you!

Racism is flexible and white guilt is not repentance 🤯🤯. Love this conversation. ❤️❤️. I love the Perry’s

Thank you for your grace and patience with people like me who have been slow to come around. I've come to feel a sense of responsibility for speaking to my white, middle class, conservative culture about racism, to encourage us all to come to this subject with genuine humility and the desire to learn. It isn't proving easy, and I have to prayerfully fight back a growing sense of bitterness towards my own community. It recently occurred to me that my black brothers and sisters have already set a profound example for longsuffering patience (like I said, I'm slow). If I'm already frustrated with my own community, I can only imagine how frustrating it's been for your culture in dealing with mine! And yet you still hold out grace and love. So listening to you doesn't just teach me about your racial experiences; it teaches me about durable faithfulness and grace for all. Thank you.

people are more patriotic then Christian 🗣My God 👀☝🏾

God bless you guys for speaking up and being unafraid of criticism, It’s not what we think it’s what the Bible says!

Preston: “As a Christian influencer, do you feel the pressure to inform your white followers about these issues?” Jackie: “Yea, cause I think it’s a discipleship issue.”

Been noticing all the backlash you get for speaking up about systemic racism. I thank God for your platform. I’m praying for both of you🙏🏾 Also, thank you Preston for your recent IG live, I’m so glad you were able to post in on KZfaq.

Thank you both for this! I love y'all and I'm so grateful for you both. Jackie about this white follower, My marriage was falling apart and I was desperately praying for answers. I opened up KZfaq one day and y'all talk about marriage and our rolls as husband and wife was the top suggested video. That message changed everything for me and a year later my husband is now 6 months sober and we are working on healing. Thank you for boldly sharing God's word and pointing people to Him for His glory!

I like how you two converse with each other.

You two can really bring the Word AND the Spirit.

Jackie’s tongues had me rollin’ 😂😂

"Washing the dishes is cool, but I want your heart to change!!!" Say it again! Whew!

“This conversation is stressful.” Yes, Jackie, yes it is… every time! ❤🙏🏽

Love was discussed in the video, but what was not discussed was the biblical definition of love within the context of the verse that was quoted. I Corinthians 13 (NLT), starting in verse 4 reads "Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous or boastful or proud or rude. It does not demand its own way. It is not irritable, and it keeps no record of being wronged. It does not rejoice about injustice but rejoices whenever the truth wins out. Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance." Yes we are called to love our neighbors as ourselves as stated in Mark 12:31, but what was not acknowledged is the fact that the verse preceding this verse that was quoted tells us the most important thing we are to do which is "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength" (Mark 12:30, NIV). Just as it is humanly impossible to do this, it is humanly impossible to do the 2nd thing that he commands, loving our neighbor. So the solutions that you are seeking cannot be resolved by man, only God can fix it and we have to rely on the Holy Spirit to enable us to do these things. Therefore protesting, though it may look good to be standing arm in arm with people from all nations, it in and of itself is not the catalyst to the change that we desire to see. Every battle that Jesus ever fought he fought it first in the spirit realm and obtained victory there. Only after He was equipped spiritually, did he then go out and do what the Father commanded of Him to do naturally. That's why He had the successes that He had in the natural realm. He didn't even begin His ministry until after fasting, which is a major component of prayer according to Matthew 17:21, and one that many Christians neglect in this day and age we are living in. Fasting is not just denying ones self of food, the Bible clearly defined what it is in Isaiah 58:6-11. The real battle that we need to be fighting is on our knees, in our prayers closets, and not on the streets. Matthew 6:14-15 (NLT) says, “If you forgive those who sin against you, your heavenly Father will forgive you. But if you refuse to forgive others, your Father will not forgive your sins." In the verses before that we see Jesus illustrating how to pray and he included praying for ones enemies. The Bible also tells us in Deuteronomy 32:35 and Romans 12:17-19 that vengeance belongs to God and that He will repay. If we seek out our own vengeance it negates God's vengeance, and I would much rather have God's vengeance than my own in any situation. Demanding change directly from white people is a form of seeking out your own vengeance. Likewise, if we're really living a life of faith we shouldn't even identify any longer with our skin color. We are made of three parts spirit, soul, and body. Our physical bodies are our Earth suits, it's not the real us anyway, it's what makes us legally able to function on the Earth. When we die we are leaving these physical bodies behind. So when we get saved we should see ourselves as who we really are new creations (II Corinthians 5:17). Sure we can empathize with other human beings but we shouldn't dwell on skin color because that causes us to dwell on the flesh and we are not to walk in the flesh but in the spirit (Galatians 5:16, 25).

I’m half black & can’t say I’ve ever really experienced racism, definitely not to the degree that my full black brothers & sisters have. & I am married to a white man. We are watching this. Thank you for teaching us.

Thank you so much for teaching. I’ve been so convicted and burdened over the past few weeks like never before, and I’m trying to listen and learn everything I can. Thank you for your honesty and willingness to speak to those of us who are listening and want to help. May God bless you both and anoint your influence.

I’m LITERALLY typing this after finishing crying. I had to stop and walk away at 2:18. I’m just sitting thinking if I and other people feel this much pain just imagine how God feels. I hope these cops REPENT. I hope Jesus saves them. He really is coming back soon and VERY soon in my opinion n. We better get it together

This was EVERYTHING! Thank you for this sit down. Beautifully articulated and thought through. Much love 🙌🏾🙏🏾

I just love you guys. I'm from Liberia, and I'm so grateful for your platform

This video really decompressed a lot of things for me and I believe it's important for ALL believers to watch. Thanks for taking the time out to share and using biblical principles to speak out in a radical way. WE love to see it.

🔥🔥🔥Thanks for sharing a much needed conversation during this time. I hope it challenges all of us to self introspect and determine if we truly love others enough to see their plight and to be filled with compassion.

From Kenya 🇰🇪 and a big fan of yours. Keep sharing truth. God bless y’all!

Hey Jackie Hill Perry and Preston, I think it would be so amazing if you did a bible study on justice, righteousness and love. I just lead one with my young adults group. And the whole book of Amos is about the universal justice of God. Habakkuk also speaks on this. A lot of things that Israel was accused of are the same things we are dealing with today! And you are very right about love. "God does not want religious behaviour from his people; he wants their total devotion as shown in the ethical character of their lives. Religious ritual in the absence of just and righteous treatment of others is disgusting to God." Amos 5:21-24 says "I hate, I despise your feats and I take no delight in your solemn assemblies.. "Isaiah 1: 11-17 (vs 14) "your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hates; they have become a burden to me; I am weary of bearing them..(vs 17) "cease to do evil, learn to do good; seek justice, correct oppression; bring justice to the fathers, plead the widow's cause" an Matthew 23:23 also speaks on this. Thank you for this video. You have echoed my every thought (esp. the effect of all this on the gospel).

This was amazing to listen too. Thank you both so much for having this conversation. *sips tea* - let the loving actions from all of us follow, in the Name Of Jesus.

Ok...first of all, I love the Perrys. I love their deep, deep wisdom and willingness to be vulnerable. You two are some of my favorite Christian leaders. I look up to you both so much. Just wanted to throw something out there and would really like feedback on because I am SO BEWILDERED as to how to respond to all that is going on as a white woman. I want to be humble, supportive, willing to learn, willing to change. But honestly I am TERRIFIED of having any sort of conversation with my black friends about the topics that the Perrys have raised. I am so afraid of asking a question the wrong way, saying something the wrong way. But I feel like in order for these deep problems to be solved we have to have conversations and communicate. Just like in a marriage. Conversations are so important in trying to resolve conflict and hurt. And if you're afraid to have the conversation, you probably will never get anywhere. The problem is that I have seen people get labeled as racist who make honest mistakes. Just trying to ask questions (which is normally how you respond to someone who is hurting) is completely taboo now., I have been rebuked and have seen other people harshly rebuked for just asking questions. Trying to learn and understand. We white people are ignorant. That's the long and short of a large part of the problem in the church. We don't understand the lives of POC, don't know what they face, don't know what things we say are uncomfortable for them. But when we try to understand and ask questions - we are slammed and dismissed. Because of our ignorance, we are harshly judged. I don't say this in an "oh poor me" way, but to explain why a lot of us are absolutely TERRIFIED to have conversations. How else are we going to learn? How are we going to solve the problem of ignorance? Say you have a husband in a marriage who is making dumb mistakes...hurting his wife out of ignorance. Do you think that their marriage is going to get better if the wife slams him every time he tries to ask why she's hurt or disappointed in him. He's probably going to stop trying after awhile. Can we please be able to have conversations? Can we allow each other grace to make mistakes? Can we not jump on those who are honestly trying and make a mistake based out of ignorance or even small seeds of racism that they are unaware of? GRACE is what we need to offer to one another. Only when that is extended freely will we ever get anywhere with this mountain of a problem. Trust me, most every white Christian I know is listening very closely. We deeply want to change and do better. We hate that black people have suffered so. We want to repent of any wrongs that we have done. We want to CHANGE. We love our black sisters and brothers. You all have something very special about you as a group. You have power and communication abilities that command attention. Maybe it is from a deep history of suffering. It has created an uncommon depth within you. You are beautiful, amazing, wise. We long to listen and to learn. Your contribution to the American church is inestimable. Please let us learn how to honor and love you better.

This is such a necessary conversation... Thank you so much for inviting us into this space.

Jackie and those “tongues”😂😂 but thanks for the conversation very much a needed one. Blessings❤️💪🏾

I love listening to you two talk! Also, I read Warmth of Other Suns (shown in video shot) a few years ago. It was eye opening on so many levels.

"I cannot divorce who I am from where I came from", exactly!

Looking forward to the library tour and booklist.

I'm so glad to hear this conversation, while I miss seeing your family, I know that it's okay to see serious discussion & biblical conviction here too. I can also appreciate that they may be too young to even burden. Thank you for leading.

At the 25 minute mark 🙌🏻 So many people need to hear this and really sit with it and let it sink in. Thank you guys for this video 🙏🏻❤️ I’ll be sharing it

THank you so much for the reminders about loving our brothers and sisters whom we can see.

Y'all, everything that I can't say via social media posts, you have said in this video in such an articulate way!

This was so beautiful to watch and listen to!!!! Thank you guys.

My caption trying to figure out what Jackie’s tongues are has me DYING 😂😂😂

Thank you so much! Looking forward to the video on the references. Definitely reading some (if not all) of those books i saw. Great touch, btw, flashing to those various books.

I literally love you two! This was soooo powerful ❤️ I’ve been inspired by your perspective and insight. Thank you

Such a very mature christian conversation ❤️ beautiful husband and wife conversation ❤️ thank you for sharing !

Great conversation! Thank you guys for this! God bless!

America has a similar past to South Africa...that’s why we can relate to your experiences. We will continue to pray for Christ to strengthen Black ppl all around the world.

“our freedom and our prosperity has not led to greater fruitfulness or freedom for our oppressed people. so to me, that’s an indictment.” 👏🏼 👏🏼 this was so full of truth, grace, love, and Spirit. thank you for doing this and sharing. ❤️ appreciate you.

Such a powerful conversation

Yalllllllll!! Yall too funny. And gave lots of truth in love. Great chat!

Lol I put this on 25% speed to type up a quote for a piece of artwork and oh my, I laughed so hard... I love you guys so much!!

Thank you for sharing this conversation. So powerful.

Speak in your heavenly language Jacky!👏🏾🙌🏾 This discussion was so needed, thank you!🙏🏾

Thank you for this NECESSARY conversation, as always!!! 🙌🏾😩 OAN....Jackie & these tongues 😂😂😂😂

Honestly thank you so much for this video. This is the first time that I heard it explained in a way I can understand because usually it's arguments that you can only understand if you had similar experiences. Thanks for the break down

So many gems in this conversation “Racism is a spectrum, Racism is flexible, How can you love a God you can’t see but hate your brother that you can see, washing the dishes is cool but I want your heart to change, God where is the deficit fulness in my heart, White guilt is not repentance because it makes you do exactly what you need to do to make my conscious clear”....this conversation is so steeped in LOVE

I just really loved how books are featured in the vid, I stay tryin to read Jackie’s bookshelf so I can add em to my Amazon cart 😂😂😂 wish it was like that in all y’all vids 😅

OSHA BABA NABALAH ASHU AH BABA BAH 🤣😂🤣😂 This got me speaking fake tongues too!! It's a word!! 🙌🏾🙌🏾 You guys are just 🤩 #RepresentationMatters

This will most likely get lost but honestly thank you Preston and Jackie for your teachings and conversations and for your vulnerability. God gave you such amazing gifts and the way you use them for the Kingdom is the biggest blessing. I really do pray for the two of you and your family and praise God for being able to hear when you teach. Also Jude is such a great discipleship to go through especially in this time thank you so much Jackie

Thank you guys for opening up and speaking your heart and stories.

LOVE YOU GUYS SOO MUCH ❤️. This is so real and raw. I am blessed to live in a very very diverse community. 75% of my high school was bilingual. But when I went to college and was different . I was treated very different . I had a 5th grader pull my hair and tell me she wanted to see if my hair was real 🙃. Thank you for this !

I know beforehand that this will be an amazing conversation.

Thank you so much for your love, grace, and real truth.

I admire the ease with which you both address complex issues 🙏🏼

Thank you for sharing your stories! I love you guys 😊

This is so good! Thank you for sharing💕

I am so blessed by watching you guys. Both of your testimonies are touching. I first heard Jackie’s on Focus on the family, which was very real and encouraging. Thank you for your openness and honesty. Keep giving God glory for all He is doing through you all. I really enjoy how abased you are. You have a beautiful family. My the Lord continue to strengthen and bless your family. You are in my prayers. p.s. Thumbs up on shutting the mouths of your naysayers. Stay the course and keep your eyes on Jesus.

Whew !!! People are more patriotic than Christian. 🤛🏾

Love y’all so much, love your channel, love your theology ..... I LOVE this conversation so much. I am here for it. I am praying over our country. There is awakening happening. There is repentance. I repent. I am listening....help me Lord Jesus. Heal us. Forgive. Unite your bride in a Jesus name 🙏🏼🙏🏾🙏🏿

Still with yall! The 3rd video the yard was so beautiful! Be careful showing the front of your home. I will come back to this video later. The discussion is too sad for me tonight... Be blessed beautiful fam!❤❤❤❤

Excellent my brother and my sister. I am always encouraged when y'all do stuff like this. This is not about changing a racist system (this world system is already judged); it's about changing the hearts of people starting with me, myself and I. I know from personal experience that the only thing that changes your heart is the gospel, when you hear it, believe and obey. Continue to do what you do, reaching the people God has called you to reach. To GOD be the glory... this is His doing and it is marvellous in our eyes... God bless y'all!

This conversation got ya’ll canceled by so many lighter skin toned evangelicals real quick. 2 years later and I’m still hearing about people going to the extreme to call ya’ll heretics. Ya’ll really pushed some buttons. Oh well! I loved it so much I had to come back and listen again. Feel like I was in the room with you!

First of all I love this conversation I think it was well-spoken and well thought out. It's refreshing to me because I've been seeing a lot of African AmericanChristians who when they speak about this issue disregard the race aspect and only look at the sin itself. is looking at that everyone is looking at the act so to hear another African American Christian speak about this bring Bible references explain the story and history for people to understand is a beautiful thing.

What a blessing you two are to me!♡

Thank you for using your voice and sharing your thoughts and stories. I really look up to both of you and the way you walk with Jesus.

This was such a great conversation!

I really appreciate this discussion. 🙌🏽🙏🏽

So true. Thank you for this conversation

Thank you all for your wisdom, your passion and the heart of Christ. You shared out of your experience, your brokenness, the history of this nation and your hope for the body of Christ and it was incredible.

Appreciate your guys ministry and transparency.

I really appreciate y'all connection and how you can have real genuine conversation about real sugar honey ice tea. Random but I really like your couch or is it a sofa. Any who I like it. Thank you for sharing

Thank you for this. I love y’all. ❤️

Thank you for sharing this with us.

Thank you for posting this and having this discussion. It surmises so much of how I have felt about racism in America for so long. It’s such a heart issue that must be recognized and repented from. You can change a policy but without changing the hearts and minds people who implement it.. it is ineffective and often will complicate the abuses further. God bless you Jackie and Preston. I appreciate your frankness and how you’re using your platform.

I love Jackie and Preston and respect them so much. You will not change every white heart, but you are being heard and your experiences are so important for us to hear. Thank you for sharing and speaking out and dealing with ignorance on a topic that is so deep and emotional and painful for you.

Love this and yall ❤️❤️

Great session! Jackie's tongues at 18:57 --- wooo! 😂😂😂

This is great. Several phenomenal points were made.

Jackie I read your book Gay Girl, Good God and I want to thank you for writing it. God bless you both!

Y’all are literally the same person , I can listen to y’all talk all day

I'm glad you all are having this conversation. I would like to also say that Christians in this country are all looking at our Christianity through different lenses. There are many different denominations and even within those denominations there are local/ regional cultural differences that will frame how we understand our faith and each other. Please let's always take a step back and ask God to help us understand why another Christian might see something differently, rather than just saying that they are not showing love. We all have different ways of showing love. Maybe what they are showing you doesn't feel like love because you can't see it through their lense. I'm black too and I felt similarly a few years ago when I heard people respond to the phrase BLM with ALM. But now, I really feel like the Lord has shown me another perspective; another lense if you will. Let's continue to wrestle with loving each other through these rough times. Love you guys. Stay blessed.

This is by far the best real and honest discussion I have seen thus far and will be sharing with all my friends! Thank you both for your honesty and not only giving real information but information that is lined up with the word of God in love! Praying for you both and your family!

So I agreed with a lot of what you said but I do have a question. As black people how long do we allow ourselves to look at history and blame racism for the violence that continues in our neighborhoods? Admitting the original sin of slavery is important yes... but I fear that we blame our continued negative behavior on slavery and that it can be a cop-out for self responsibility.

We appreciate y'all ministry

Thank you for this conversation. It’s given me a lot to think about, challenged whether or not I actually know God, and whether or not my life is one based in love.

So much WISDOM on this episode!

Come on!!! This was so good. I felt challenged as well as a black woman to also welcome these conversations so as to further educate and enlighten both sides. Change is hard and uncomfortable, but in order for us to see PERMANENT CHANGE, we all have to get uncomfortable. Much love xxx

Thank you guys! I love you both, praying that the Lord will continue to go before you.

Great perspectives! I really appreciate this video.

Very profound and eye opening conversation.

Speak👏🏾that👏🏾fire👏🏾and👏🏾truth👏🏾yall!! And sis...Jackie...your locs are beautiful!!!