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Very quite. Until the Leos be upgraded and/or a new MBT be acquired, Centauros II will be the most advanced and capable armored vehicles of Brazilian Army.

Cascavel has not the same function of the Centauro... It is not a replacement!!

@@thiagoribeiro-nq3tm I think he meant that centauro will be the most advanced vehicle Brazil will operate.

@@thiagoribeiro-nq3tm I dont said that Cascavel is the most capable. I didn't even mentioned Cascavel. I said that CENTAURO II will be the most advanced armored vehicle of Brazilian Army until the Leos 1A5 modernization or replacement.

@@golffoxtrot3571 yeah, but the cascavel was not the most advanced vehicle in brazil... by far

Thanks bro

The centauro is definetly a monster with that 120mm gun, abraço from Brazil 🇧🇷

@@ospreyslender8931 ... um monstro sem blindagem suficiente.

Obrigado

​@@PauloPereira-jj4jv mas ele é velocidade, veículos sobre rodas é sobre isso ser mais rápido que seu inimigo realizar seu tiro antes do inimigo e sair o mais rápido possível de onde foi o visto

@Curupira kkkkkk

@Curupira quem comprou foi o jair. e ele deixou o exército escolher, não fez que nem o Lula que tentou forçar a aeronáutica a escolher o caça francês

@Curupira do nada o maluco coloca política no meio

I hope so

@@truta3715 O Jair comprou? kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

Eles observam tudo. Nós que não reparamos.

@@rafaelgoncalves1259 eles sim reparam, enquanto a maioria esmagadora dos brasileiros se quer tem conhecimento dessas notícias e esperam elas aparecer em jornais e ainda com informações totalmente distorcidas pela imprensa.

Larga de ser deslumbrado, mané !! Fecharam a ENGESA e agora o país IMPORTA ....

Já era irmão, não vem mais não kkkkkkkkkkkkkk

faz o L

Espera.os que tenha qualidade

The Centauro 2 IS the 8x8 Guarani. Iveco developed this specifically for the Brazilian specification, which means as much commonality with the 6x6 Guarani as possible. That was the objective of the 8x8 concept in the Guarani program.

Larga de ser chorão, quando fazem alguma coisa sempre tem um mer... pra reclamar

@@melquizorobabelcalais7724 único que tá chorando aqui é você, Cabral. Toda escolha tem seus prós e contras.

@@rafaelschipiura9865 Centauro 2 was developed with Italian army specifications in mind to replace the B1 Centauro. Having said that, they are both part of an "enlarged family" and are linked to the same development line starting back with the B1, then the VBM Freccia and Guaranì (programs started in '98 and '99 respectively), SuperAV (on which the BAE ACV is based) and finally the Centauro 2. The Centauro 2 (and the SuperAV) enjoyed technology input from both the Freccia and Guaranì (eg. the H trasmission and the hull of the Centauro 2 are very much an evolution of B1 and Freccia, where the amphibious capability of the SuperAV are very much linked to the Guaranì development) and I'm sure that the Brasilian Centauros will have an high level of customization to respond to Brasilian requirements (and, indeed, already now a good portion of component used in the B2 were developed for the Guaranì, but this is mainly due to an industrial choice on the Iveco/Leonardo part and predate the Brasilian requirements, as I'm sure there are common component between Freccia and Guaranì for the same exact reason).

@@R00sc0 I don't mean more than the fact that it was developed after the Brazilian Army had this concept ready to go and that their input was incorporated into the project. I don't mean that the Guaraní was used as a base or that there was much technology incorporated into the project.

Brazil is well aware of those advantages since WWII, where it only used wheeled vehicles.

@Curupira o lula n tem decisão nessas coisas, e ele qr desmilitarizar tudo, se tu for roubado faz o L

@@curupira6683 o Lula não assumiu a presidência ainda, seu animal.

@Curupira KKKKKKKKKKK

@@curupira6683 kkkkkkkkkk mas o PT já está querendo cancelar a compra dos Centauro

​@@lusca6357 bem não sei você tá inscrito nos mesmos canais que eu mas estamos no governo do pt e compra do centauro 2 foi retomada

Allthough Brazil has/had (they never changed the number from what ther originally purchased, a number are definately written off by now) about 400 EE-9s, only about 110 are actually in operation in the units. The rest is reserves spread over the units. 98 is pretty much the the little reduced number of EE-9s in active operation. The 221 B2s would mean that Brazil would actually get about 120 B2s as reserves unless they start adding more cavalry units. But considering the current build schedule, those 221 B2s would take until like 2060 to 2070 to get built sadly.

@@blasekiller9733 As far as I knew, Brazil had originally 600 EE-9, and in 2010 409 were operational and 98 were being modernized. About only 110 being operational I never heard of it.

@@henryquecabral9357 basicaly, they bought 409 from Engesa at the time in total. Then you just start looking at the regiments and squadrons that actually use EE-9s and their organisation. Both cavalry regiment and squadron each operate a set number of EE-9s in platoons. Put those together and you get to the number in active service, whcih was around 110-ish. I did the calculation for a future article to be released on Tanks Encyclopedia.

I checked my article, brazil has combined 23 cavalry regiments and squadrons. Each of these has 3 platoons in which each platoon has a section of 2 EE-9s, meaning 6 EE-9s in a regiment/platoon atleast in active operation. Multiply this by the amount of regiments and squadrons and you have 138 EE-9s in active use (correction from my 110) and the rest is reserves.

@@blasekiller9733 Thank you so much for your research! Do you have a link for your article? Sounds very interesting.

Yeah. now we have arguably the best 8x8 in the world

Not exactly, Centauro is not a tank, not specifically, the centauro is an armored troop transport vehicle, they will not replace the Leopards, but the Cascavels, it's not a tank.

🙄

The centauros are literally going to Brazil

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I think Brazil's 6x6 Guarani's hull can do this for a lower price. There are plenty of Guaranis in Brazilian army without even a machine gun on top. Brazil also purchased this year the Spike LR-2 ATGM.

Turin?

Friend, it is known that the program foresees an assembly line in Brazil, likely at the factory in Minas Gerais or in a new location, of the 98, 72 will have to be manufactured in Brazil

Your tank sucks

It at any angle. Other "guns" of FSV ( good try but seriously, let's try to find a single english word to translate autoblindo, please) even in 105mm are either low or medium pressure. B-2 is just a further evolution of the vehicle, in some day even less brilliant than the original ( i.e. it's way taller and bulky due the need to have a protection against mines)

Sério?

Me conte mais, não sabia disso

Cara nós podemos facilmente fabricar a carroceria do astro aqui no Brasil, não precisamos da Mercedes.

@@ArnaldoBART @IGORMSH Sério, a carroceria mudou pra Tatra porque a Alemanha proibiu a Mercedes de vender as carrocerias deles pra armas, eles devem ter requerimentos de que essas carrocerias só sejam usadas pra logística.

@@carlos6116cs Agora que a Tatra abriu uma fábrica no Brasil, eles tem o conhecimento pra fazer as carrocerias aqui. Na década de 80 a Avibras pensou em fazer as carrocerias aqui e não tinha o conhecimento necessário, apesar de tentar. Não foi a primeira escolha deles importar. E de lá pra cá não teve nenhuma evolução no setor automobilístico no Brasil que signifique que hoje seria possível alguma empresa nacional fabricar essas carrocerias.

Engesa Osório.

Mehh I'd place the Osorio in the same category as the C1 Ariete. Not the heaviest armored MBTs out there. The Osorio is very light at 44 tons.

Somebody's been watching Perun :D

Guarani is a brazilian product!! It is made by IVECO, but is a brazilian proyect!

"Made in Sweden" F39 Gripen

Scorpene made in france, Nuclear Submarine Sn 10 Made in Brazil, Super Tucano Made in Brazil, fragate Tamandaré made in Brazil kkk we have a lot a project and we need help from confiable parcers like Iveco, ICN

@@pemky6717 Scorpene is still made in Brazil, but the proyect (still has ~30% brasilian, Riachuelo's class is bigger) is french

Not much higher than all yhe other APCs these days. All to survive an IED basicaly.

they are just buying them, so brazil is getting an italian subtree i think

@@nonsoboh16ita82he means in war thunder

Verdade, depois que Alemanha proibiu a venda da mercedez para os Astro acho que Alemanha não leva mais aqui nunca mais

M113 não é um ifv

Nossa, conseguiu fazer 2 comparações erradas em 1 minuto.

@@zoro7028 obvio que não, mas é usado dessa forma no EB

Os leopard 2A5 parecem uma boa opção

Problem with buying the boxer is that you would mainly buy it for being multi purpose. The issue is that Brazil already has the Guarani 6x6 for this and only really needs the 8x8 for FSV duties, as such, better to go with a dedicated vehicle (especially consifering the Guarani and the B2 have a 29% parts commonality from the start)

This seems particularly weird to say with the ChiComs being the one sure power of the future.

@@yum9918 The ChiComs are evil, barbaric and cannot be trusted. They are a blight of this planet akin to smallpox and need to be eradicated. The horrors and corruption of communism is the reason why all such states rot from the inside and eventually implode. The long suffering Chinese people deserve to be liberated and given back their freedom. The government of Taiwan is there as a shining example of what is possible. Just ready and waiting to step in and fill the role to lead a united China. The CCP must be held accountable and charged with crimes against humanity.

@@gusgone4527 I see, I thought there was an actual reason, but its just schizo shit that is going directly against reality. Thanks for clearing that up.

@@yum9918 That's fine. Now you can return to harvesting organs for transplant, from political prisoners. Have a very nice day.

Vai pras forças armadas do vasco

@@Karedu. Kkkkkkkkkkk exatamente! Vasco fortemente armado com centauros II!

Contract has been signed now, the supreme court overruled the suspension.

Infelizmente

Não fala merda, foi barrado por causa do apelo de um advogado, não por causa do pt, estuda os fatos antes de falar bosta.

@@caninon7570 E onde está escrito PT lá em cima? Você é burro?

@@caninon7570 Filhote ele falou corte corrupta e nunca mencionou um unico partido partido politico. Aprende a ler um pouco porque quem ta falando merda aqui é voce.

@@Henriquesilva-ri5mw Cala boca, não tem nada aver com corrupção o corte, não importa o partido.

@@brazilstreets7955 Foda-se, não tem nada aver com corrupção, vc que é burro.

STJ overruled the suspension, B2 can be bought now

Why?

@@comentedonakeyboard its a meme

@@aslamstudio558 aha

@W P i must admit i've never heard it.

No, it can still move just slower

Nigerian Army too

Good idea

Probably goes to Uruguay or Argentina

ENGESA sold some to Congo, Zimbabwe, Nigeria and so on, but after decades of civil wars on those regions they were destroyed, so some African Warlords ended up improvising technicals with EE-9's turrets and some of the armor plates. They are not the best options for urban warfare, but they can be very effective in a open field.

@@carloshenriquezimmer7543 true

Algumas unidades do Cascavel vão ser modernizadas com mísseis antitanque e o restante acho que vai ser doado para países amigos

they sold it to more than 17 countries!

@@thiagoribeiro-nq3tm Ah I meant the ones they currently have!

@@fraservickers1257 The current Cascavel's are going to be modernized, ATGMs and Thermals.

Further update: The supreme court ruled in favor of the deal and has initiated a purchase of 98 units

Not really, the very south of Brazil bordering argentina is excellent terrain for AFVs which stretches through Uruguay and the north of Argentina.

​@@blasekiller9733 but do they intend to use only in that specif environment? That's what? 10% of the total Brazilian border if not less? There are swamps in the Paraguay and Bolivia border, jungles at north Bolivia, Peru, Colombia and French border, jungle and mountains clash in Venezuelan borders. If Brazil suffered a naval invasion, the coast are full of hills that end on the beaches. Is it even possible to build something that operate in all that?

@@gabrielb5742 they mainly use it in that area because that is where pretty much all the conflict is going to be that is significant and where you can actually operate these types of vehicles properly. For the paraguayan border you have the guaranis which are amphibious and with good pathing tanks can be operated there. With venezuela you got the roraima region where two units of B2s will be located as part of the jungle brigade there (roraima doesnt have too much jungle overgrowth). Naval invasion is possible but currently Brazil is fielding its mechanized forces where their biggest rivals are and their most important cities, I.E. bordering Argentina where these units can be used the most. You can pretty much give up using vehicles in most of the amazon anyway, so no point really of using an AFV there. The Brazilians have the vehicles where they need them the most in the areas where they intend to use them and can only use them.

Long story short is, if Brazil cant use a certain vehicle in a certain region or climate due to the terrain there. Most other countries would be unable to get vehicles in there too let alone set up logistics for it. Brazil has the vehicles where they can use them and where they need them the most. For the rest its more old school foot work and jeeps essentially, no point in bringing AFVs into a jungle.

@@blasekiller9733 yeah, thank God we have the best jungle force in the world, or we would have lost the Amazons long time ago, we should be more concerned by losing the amazon by our own deforestation, imo they should hunt the grilheiros like animals

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