Or cut in half by a weak beam laser then it explosion

I always thought it was stupid that the ships would be cut in half the moment they were hit by any enemy fire. Could have swore those fuckers had Shields.

hulls mixed with 50% more explodium

They probably had emergency transport on hot standby.

It's the only ship that can explode in seconds without losing any crew.

I wonder if this ever made it as a dedication plaque.

more so because my tactical and strategic plannings will include 3 dimensional warfare

Khan and his entire crew died on one, after killing or stranding the previous crew. :P

*Kaaaaaaaaaaaahn! KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHN!*

Only someone of Kahns brilliance could turn a flying coffin into a force to be reckoned with. :)

But not the USS Versitile, for some reason.

@@frankharr9466 Budget constraints :p

@@TheOmegaXicor "Budget constraints" An important concideration not taken into account enough. :)

I'm the 200th like!

Ouch!

😂

And the Borg

Zing

Well... imagine the cleanup effort. THAT sounds WAY worse than simple decommissioning.

Reliance- meaning the go to ship

I almost agree, but I'd amend to say the Miranda Class is more like the M3 Lee specifically. It was more the metaphorical stopgap until more modern designs could come in.

Too bad you had to use the T34 coffin for comparison... Most historians no longer believe in the myth of Russian tanks. Here's a translated quote from a training manual for German panzerzerstörtruppen (armour destroying infantry squads) for Armee Gruppe Mitte, dealing specifically with the T34: "Slow and unmoveable. Effect mostly psychological. Combat effectiveness very low." It goes on to detail how you should simply fire at the tank with personal weapons, as the crew will be nearly blind after closing the hatches. After that the T34 can nearly be ignored, as they were rarely issued enough shells to fire and couldn't acquire targets. Destroying can be done as easily as tossing a molotov cocktail on it, since the vision slits don't have glass in it and the crew will burn to death from just a tiny bit splashing through. Typical losses were 10-15% before they even got to within firing range. Quite often an entire unit would be lost with their opponent suffering minor losses. It's for that reason the Russian crews prefered lend-lease tanks, especially the Sherman, that had much high survivability and crew comfort.

I agree 100%. The scene the video uses of the 2 Mirandas being destroyed has been somehow seized upon by fans(including the makers of this video) to mean that the Mirandas were poor combatants and flying death traps. If that's the case, so were Akiras, Nebulas, Galaxies, and Excelsiors.

@@albatani27 Mirandas were cheap to produce and there were lots of them in scrap yards that were then brought back for the war.

Agreed completely, a unit(ship) is not strong as much weapons and defenses he has but you need to take into account its price(time of manufacturing). If its an effective design you can compensate simply with numbers.

Star Trek Adventures RPG seed i'm working on is actually the players joining the crew of a Miranda class that served the entire dominion war and is now being sent out on survey duty "out to pasture" because there aren't any other ships to send after the heavy losses of the war, and hey, command did just do all those wartime upgrades... one poor sod is playing the ship's counselor...

@@MrRoboto1337 Did it go anywhere? I'm genuinely curious to hear of the adventures of that poor bunch of redshirts :p

Class of 2410: *What is wrong with you?!*

Settle your debts and write up a will, you're serving on a Miranda class boyscout!

Cadet#1: NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Cadet #2: Please by GOD HAVE MERCY!

@@raxsavvage Life expectancy of a Peregrine fighter or a runabout in combat may be higher than a Miranda.

@Timothy Brandriff Their weight in current galactic terms is about a 1kg, compared to megatonnes...

@@mho... Age defeated the chassis, not the concept. The concept was carried on with the Nebula, and to some extent the Akira too.

So Good Star Trek Discovery & the USS Franklin ripped it off before it even had been commissioned.

@@TsorovanZero And the Luna class - based off the Sovereign hull.

Small price to pay for the largest collection of Fleet Admirals in the galaxy.

We died well

I remember getting killed in a borg red alert immediately after leaving tutorial. The clueless days...

Shout out to you for being both a fellow STO captain and a REDCON strike commander, good taste in games fine sir.

I did, thank Q we're all temporal anomalies

It have more internal volume than a constitution. Weird huh?

Just Some Guy Ok does it? That is kind of weird.

@@kyle857 I guess it must be only in star trek online, since the nature of MMOs you have to design larger spaces

You want to know something funny the model kits made for the series following the original show actually had several modular designs you could make out of the Enterprise kit, one of them was something akin to the USS Reliant we saw in Wrath of Khan

I actually think that on a tacital standpoint the Miranda is a superior to the Constitution because of its more compact design. It doesn't have to rely on a 4 meter wide neck.

Everybody likes to bring up "explodium" this and that. Quite honestly anything that wasn't the hero ship is blown up like firecrackers anyway. Don't let them get to you.

She can still outgun ships that are much younger. And come on, the Miranda spaceframe could be refitted with new gear just like any other spaceframe could be. There is NO reason why she couldnt fight and survive beside starfleet's finest if she had the same gear onboard. Might even fare better, being so much smaller...

I grew up on Trek. Never once laughed at the Miranda.

It would be like World War I battleships still being used today.

Csaba Hofecker Same could be easily said for the B-52 strategic bomber. Though it has yet to see a conflict where it is incredibly vulnerable, in the case of a major war, where America does not have air superiority, bass losses of the B-52 are all but guaranteed. EDIT: IIRC Vietnam is the best modern example that had happened to the B-52. But even back then, the technology isn't nearly at the level it is today.

Tell that to the Andromeda Ascendant.

@@TheEDFLegacy the b-17 crews in world war II had to do 25 missions for their tour of duty. Before they had P-52 lighting escorts most only made it 10 mission. If you made to your 11 mission you were on borrowed time.

tahhotep I'm well aware of the history of those two airplanes. The reason why I brought up the B-52, because it has been in service for over 50 years. the B-17 was phased out far sooner.

@Darth Revan Rikers first assignment was a Oberth, because he sexually harassed a superiors favourite chair.

Oberth class is designed as a science vessel not for combat

Personally I find one of the most amazing things about the Battle Of Sector 001 is that there is an Oberth present (giving us the one time to date that we have seen one fire a weapon), which to me really screams that Starfleet was just throwing whatever it had at the cube to try and make it stop. Amazing it lasted long enough to witness the E arrive and we never actually see it get destroyed, so it's possible that somewhere out there is what is presumably the luckiest Oberth crew in the galaxy, who somehow took a ship that can be one shot by a Bird of Prey BY ACCIDENT, into a battle with a Borg Cube and survived it.

@@JamesTobiasStewart There is something to be said about being on a ship that has so little firepower that you are on the tail end of the "priority targets" list. That being said, one of my fav tactics on the game Birth of the Federation was sending a horde of these against a Borg cube. Ironically, it was actually much cheaper in the end than sending in actual warships despite the losses, there is only a finite number of guns those cubes have and they could not cut down enough Obeths to kill them all before they killed it. Material warfare FTW.

Cool idea, but this is not Star wars. Don't ruin ST universe:)

JJ already has twice with cbs right behind him!!

Why not fill them all with Genesis devices while we're at it ?

@@monarchsub8884which two out of three?

@@sixdfx send one to crash into the founder homeworld with a borrowed romulan cloak

Apparently it's Sitak. I always thought it was Seatac.

Darwin Xavier I always thought it was the SeaTac since I live in Seattle.

@@raxsavvage yes. It's also worth noting that the Sitak and Majestic were destroyed several hours into the battle. While screening the Defiant. They aren't made of explodium. No sir.

@@darwinxavier3516 me too. Or spelled Sea-Tac

Mine too. A ship light enough to know when it's out gunned, but still strong and spunky enough not to care.

Lest we forget about the Carmen class ships.... uhhhhh....huh huh, huh huh.

@Timothy Brandriff Okay, Barack!

Hey, an Ace Combat fan here? Hello, good sir!

Oh I absolutely love the lighter classes. Paid money for the T'varo and its refit. I have zero complaints and that little hockey puck has served me quite admirably. Also it's fun to just slap on all the turning rat gear and have a ship sized teacup ride.. In all seriousness I tried some of the bigger ships and the fact they turn about as well as an eighteen wheeler with half of its wheels blown out while towing a house.... Yea I value manuverability.

@@singletona082 Hey, what do you have against my Odyssey class?

Funny I thought that would be the Akira Class. Does everything the Miranda does but better and faster. The only thing the Akira lacks is a Tetsuo... Megaphaser...

@@DocWolph The Akira is more of a spiritual successor, whereas the Nebula is literally the Miranda but with Galaxy Class parts.

Riker's post Nemesis ship, the Titan - a *Luna class* ship could be considered a Sovereign class Miranda.

@Bill Kelly and just like the Miranda to the Constitution ..if you look the Nebula is at least as big in terms of internal volume as the Galaxy

The Miranda was a great Ship when it was introduced.The shere numbers of Mirandas that were build is a testament to that.

@@zafranorbian757 Yes...when she was introduced...in the 2260's. Come 2370, she's over 100 years old, and clearly out of date. Does the Miranda still have its uses? Absolutely. Should it be used in a conflict? Only if you literally have no other ships that you can call upon. Ships like the Miranda-class and B'Rel-class are testimony to their good design, but time will make all things impotent eventually. Scores of Miranda-class vessels were wiped out during the Dominion War, so we know this to be the case.

@@sergeantassassin3425 In the Dominion war the Federation was so overstretched that they literally had nothing else to call upon as reserves. And considering how their other ships were blown up just as fast (Dominion polaron weapons, making shields useless.), they seemed to serve just fine as the rest of the cannonnfodder.

@@_Muzolf I know, that's why I specifically mentioned having no other ships to call upon

Well, redshirts did have their effect on Starfleet history...

@@chriswong8821 very true, they have saved many a main cast member

Yeah, right, good analogy. However it seems they were updated, so it would be a Constitution ship with AA guns and toperdoes lol

I used to play that as well, and used the Miranda class as lead ship of a group of destroyers doing "light" duty such as security and escort against pirates or checking out systems before the bigger ships came in.

@@Thane36425 Yep...classic. I miss running those games. Many a day/night was spent on adventures with our trusty ship. It got banged up and scraped, but always got them home. We lost lives on the way, but the crew could trust her. Wow, that was almost thirty years ago. Time flies.

@@grafffuller3265 Unfortunately I've lost most of that material, including the rule books and space combat boxed set, over the course of a couple of moves. That's a shame because they have a nice, workable system that was very flexible as far as designing and developing characters. You could also design star ships. We did a lot of that and tried them out against published ships and each other's designs.

Thane36425 yes, Th system was great. We had so many great campaigns. Never got into designing ships, though. Interesting. Yea, all my stuff was left in boxes. The the kids got to them...then my wife saw the mess and “cleaned” it up. After the kids devoured the books (literally ate on them...it was ONLY trash at that point. It’s not that I have thought of running a campaign (after all these years). Who has the time anymore? Great memories though. Thanks.

@@grafffuller3265 We played more with the starship combat game rather than the RPG, though we did often make characters for it. The reason was that you could use characters from the RPG in the game and use their skills rather than the created tables that came with the game. That could really give you an edge over the stock rules. One time we did role play was using a Miranda Class ship tasked with running supplies and replacement crew to the Epsilon IX station just before it was hit by V'Gr. The ship arrived shortly before V'Gr attacked and all but a skeleton crew removed then we stay out as a safe distance monitoring until the Enterprise arrived and were still present when all the rest happened. Naturally this threw out the "only ship in the quadrant" quip, but we all thought that was BS anyway. Anyway, we had a lot of fun with that, since I was playing the Captain and refused to endanger my ship after what V'Gr did to the Klingons and the station, and it did try to get us once but we warped out (because navigation was constantly updating the system for an emergency jump and as soon as V'Gr twitched we were gone.) We ended up staying well out and essentially operating in passive mode and fed info to Enterprise. The fun was the Gamemaster playing Admiral Kirk and really hamming it up as my character refused to make suicide runs on V'Gr to get information, finally winning out with the argument that we had all those station crew on board. So in the end, we played it that canon was slightly changed about the rescue and recon mission, but the role sharply downplayed because of the interaction between the captain and Kirk. In other words, they got the glory and we got a footnote, but at least the captain wasn't court martialed.

In beta canon, the U.S.S. Bozeman was replaced by the newly renamed Bozeman-A, a destroyer commissioned shortly after the maiden voyage of the Enterprise E.

The more very bad news: "You're in the first line of offensive and would escort an advance Defiant-class starship all the way through enemy lines"

It made a great support vessel/logistics/freighter/budget science ship but it should never have seen front-line combat.

When you spend the last one or centuries without a big threat to deal with, it shows how SF was completely unprepared for war. By Voyager's time, they already made the Prometheus-class, double their production in Defiant class, and the Akira class.

You're not alone!

Good thing , the Dominion helps in decommissioning the Miranda class faster than it will take at least decades

rig them up as drones and ram them into the biggest dominion ships