As you are speaking, I realize I was in an abusive spiritual authority situation for years. I didn’t want to admit it. I was given leadership responsibilities. I delighted in serving the Lord. In the end, the Lord said ENOUGH IS ENOUGH and He moved me away. I was naive and foolish. Thank you for speaking this stuff out. Darkness is dispelled by the light. 🙌
@gabysoto76637 ай бұрын
I lived in it for 2 years, and walking out healing and deliverance took me 6 years. It affected me so bad. Constantly in and out of hospitals, crying every single night because I missed the people I used to do ministry with. Being told I was missing out on the call of God over my life while I was working at a taco truck to help my parents, they were disabled at the time (who I was told were the reason I was so broken). I walked away from the Lord at one point because I was so angry. Thankfully, He delivered me, and now I love Jesus more than ever. I’m SO THANKFUL for those 6 years of deep pain, rejection etc. the Lord did a work in me that is so beautiful, and I realize now that I know Him for who He is, I know His voice, and I don’t have to depend on people to tell me what God is saying or doing, rather just get confirmation after He’s already spoken to me. It’s amazing. I hold no resentment or anger towards any of the people who hurt me, I have so much compassion and fear of the Lord for them because I know one day they will have to give an account, and that terrifies me. May God have mercy.
@jenniferpackard65587 ай бұрын
Thank you for addressing the "elitist spirit". I have been a christian for 40 years and 16 of those as part of the IHOP community. We were never on staff and are marketplace. However, my experience is that because I DID challenge attitudes and wrong ideas within the community I have been pushed to the fringe. They definitely did not welcome a voice of balance in small groups and other places. I think this is the elitist spirit that can't abide someone not on staff who is not in the inside group telling them a different point of view. And in all honesty it is usually men who can't allow a woman a voice.
@susandumbill88054 ай бұрын
I've found similar with some large charismatic/NAR type churches in the UK. They really don't like it if you disagree etc, and say such people need to "repent". They don't even tolerate you telling them if they have really hurt you, or even just to show you're hurt. I thought it strange for a long time, but now I wonder if it's along the lines of this elitist attitude. Subtle, sometimes. But also a bit cultic in a way. Glad I'm out of it.
@mfinn78807 ай бұрын
What's healing is listening to two young leaders with integrity, honesty, insight & wisdom. It's a relief & a joy. Thank you both. Lovely family. 😊 Mary
@wordsoflife427 ай бұрын
"Breaking friendship when someone leaves" is a big problem in the church world I think. I found this out early on when I didn't know that's how things worked in Christianity. I got set down by leaders at my home church because I went to a bit out-of-the box meeting called the well where some young people had literally just gathered together to pray and worship without an official "pastor" present. The leaders, though they loved me, sat me down over this. I ended up meeting my wife at the place I got in trouble for going, so I find God has a sense of humor about it 😄
@glorialovesChrist7 ай бұрын
Yikes. We need to be fellowshiping outside church walls. We also need heart to heart bro talks with men of God is friendship. Church activities isn't friendship it's church functions.
@tlsings557 ай бұрын
Guess that's called God turning it for the good! 🙌😄
@mic77357 ай бұрын
We ended up in what turned out to be a very controlling church. I watched other people incur the wrath (not an overstatement) of the pastor, including community members and members of their own family. I held a leadership role and heard every part of everyone's private business from the leaders as it was labeled "important for me to know what was happening" and who to allow on my team and for what reasons. People would leave and we would hear how they were rebellious or didn't get what was going on in our church where God was doing a new thing and moving us into new things that not everyone was ready for. Eventually that anger turned on us, on me. It was like I woke up one day and a light came on. God said to get out of there immediately and we did. Things continue to come up and I have to rely on Him to fix the hurts and misconceptions that had been ingrained in us. Now after 5 years some of our former congregants have begun reaching out to ask what happened and why we really left. Things started not making sense as to what they had been told. I pray that more people come out of these types of situations and realize that this is not how God intended for His church to behave. Thank you for shining a light in this area. Sadly it's much needed.
@pepper86897 ай бұрын
This is good. I would be surprised if anyone who has been in Christian circles any significant amount of time who cannot relate to at least one or more of your points…even if they won’t admit it.
@ResurrectionLifeMin7 ай бұрын
Great mini teaching, brother. Please pray about putting it in a booklet-form. There is a great need for this in the body of Christ. God bless you!
@dawnwells52387 ай бұрын
I like that you were highlighting specific tactics of controlling Pentecostal churches, the control is the same in other denominations but the verbiage is different. You've alluded to the fact that many times Christians are discouraged from getting secular professional help when they are in a crisis of some sort. Unfortunately, women have a tendency to get very poor advice in church concerning marital problems and abusive home situations. Sad but true, there are many women that are encouraged to put themselves at great risk financially, physically, emotionally in the name of biblical marriage counseling.
@dbwilliams62037 ай бұрын
Sadly every church my husband and I have left( which is not many), the people DO NOT have any more relationship with us. We have seen this with others too!! Where is the real church? We pray that God heals hearts. I am thankful for the Holy Spirit's wisdom in all this!!
@glonadark7 ай бұрын
Appreciate the boldness to go after spiritual abuse dynamics. Don’t be afraid to call it witchcraft. 😉
@amyhenningsgard86187 ай бұрын
Or cultish.
@rebeccanewell34497 ай бұрын
My husband and I started going to a charismatic church about 6 years ago and everyone was very relational and felt healthy for church family. Then certain teachings started popping up that were not really biblical. Their focus was more on prophecy and the gifts and I noticed they really didn’t teach exegetically through scripture or sometimes misinterpreted scripture. I started taking leadership classes on the request of my pastors which indoctrinated me into culture of honor. I was serving anyway I could. Then my pastor recommended I do this prophetic course which cost a ton of money through an “apostle” that they were connected to and had the course at our church. I was being taught things I had never heard about, I was excited. In reality some of the teaching would be considered Christian witchcraft. When I realized the church was going NAR I emailed one of my pastors with all my concerns but never heard a reply. I found out others had also voiced their opinions and left as well. The pastors believe that all of us confronting was just a spiritual attack on them and their progress because they were warned in a dream about it…
@JessWehrle7 ай бұрын
I’m so sorry…I know what this feels like 😬
@Psalm91-17 ай бұрын
That’s how these cultish prophetic ministries work. Any voice of reason or someone trying to bring some balance is accused of having a religious spirit or a Jezebel spirit. It’s a way to manipulate and control. I want absolutely nothing to do with any NAR churches. That is harder said than done these days. I started listening to “The magical mystery church” on KZfaq, and others exposing false prophets and false doctrines. Truth is coming out!
@RSofUCTn7 ай бұрын
Someone define NAR please.
@jmm83057 ай бұрын
NAR is a term coined by C Peter Wagner. It means new apostolic reformation and refers to the apostolic movement.
@glorialovesChrist7 ай бұрын
You listened to the Word of God that always Trump's the Gifts of the Holy Spirit. Edu and conferences is how the church makes lots of money. God bless you
@canucksteel7 ай бұрын
Great vid and insight. Don’t ever let someone take away your own still small voice since the sheep will always ultimately listen to the true Shepherd.
@AngieRuthVerMulm7 ай бұрын
Thanking you for breaking this down to situations that many have experienced let alone we didn't even know signs of spiritual abuse everywhere and especially in ministry.
@paulmartin26647 ай бұрын
Blaise, you have wisdom beyond your years. You have clearly described dynamics that are characteristics of exclusive cessationist communities as well. I would add an exhortation to middle level leaders in these communities who feel they need to stay for the sake of the flock. 1- you will never be able to change the culture. 2- by staying you are keeping those who respect you in bondage.
@blaiseforet41987 ай бұрын
Great point on mid level leaders!
@CandieTremblay7 ай бұрын
Man, you described my old church to a T that I was in for 9.5 YEARS. I got out back in 2012 and it was the best decision I could have made. I would have been sad, single, lonely and still not fulfilling what I knew God had for me. And possibly even dead because the illness that I had was deemed all in my head, and I would be considered selfish if I tried to save up money for the life saving surgery needed instead of giving it to them. Thank you for making this video. I pray many people who are being held hostage by these cults are set free so they live the life that God has for them. For those stuck and feel like they can't get out because it is literally your whole life... trust the Lord. Make the first steps and He will lead the way! There was so much support for me when I had left that I had no idea was waiting for me. I am now happily married to the most incredible man, getting to do what I love every day (music). Whenever I would write a song or try to do anything to move forward, I was always told I was not ready and being prideful cause they had not mandated for me to do so. This would still be the case if I had stayed. No one was EVER ready to do anything. There is so much joy and freedom outside of this oppression!
@carolzupkas64217 ай бұрын
That was a whole lot of wisdom, sound insights and advice. God bless you and your family, Blaise!
@nickypendleton40667 ай бұрын
The both of you do a great Job. you have been the single best source of info and Godly reflection out there...
@setfree47 ай бұрын
You talked about something that has been going on all my life in our church and it is taken as normal.
@laura-cg7vl7 ай бұрын
All of this is completely accurate. It’s not uncommon sadly. Everyone should hear this podcast.
@watchingpraying77637 ай бұрын
Simple signs to look for… thank you for this practical advice. Bless you and your family, Blaise!
@joevermillion69637 ай бұрын
Yes! Been waiting on this video. Hope there’s more to come. So thankful for you guys.
@blaiseforet41987 ай бұрын
Definitely more to come on this topic.
@wildflower9857 ай бұрын
Blaise, I really appreciate what you are doing. It's so wonderful to hear a man speak up to confront abuse and uphold justice. Your love for people is evident and your humility is such a contrast to the arrogance of these abusers. Please keep reporting and speaking. You have a unique voice. I'm praying for you as you confront and speak. May God strengthen you, brother.
@prayingcitizen70297 ай бұрын
Wow! Thanks for this. I saw myself/behavior in the past and was able to repent. Praise the Lord!
@michaelkistner62867 ай бұрын
I realize I've been a bit caustic in my comments so far. The reason for that is pretty simple. I find the thought of sacrificing my agency to a "spiritual leader" outrageous. That's because the world is full of predators... even and perhaps especially in the church. Look at the way such leaders are idolized (and I use that word intentionally). Then ask yourself what type of people are going to be drawn to such a system. You can get all kinds of status without earning it. Just claim to have a direct pipeline to the Lord and you're set. The problem is that if you, or I, or anyone else for that matter, questions what has supposedly been revealed to them we aren't challenging them, we are challenging the Lord Himself. And the community as a whole will react to you accordingly. They have to. Their own identities are on the line. You become an agent of the Destroyer, trying to derail God's work, blah blah blah. It's happened to me more than once. The world is often hard to navigate. Knowing what's what and how we should respond can be really difficult. We can solve the problem by latching on to someone who claims to have everything figured out and just follow them. This gives us a false security and absolves us of ultimate responsibility for our choices. We're just doing what the Lord tells us (through His designated spokesmen) to do. Yep. If you think He's going to accept that excuse when you stand before Him, I pity you.
@teach90587 ай бұрын
I can feel your pain and frustration in your comments, Michael. My heart breaks to see what these wicked men can do to the faith of people that simply want to know, love, trust and obey God. I know that pain so well. In the past, I had my experiences with false teachers as well. I began praying and studying and asking God to help me understand His Word. He has led me and shown me so much. It has truly been a life-changing experience for me. Do not let the wolves like Bickle steal your love, peace, and joy that God has for you. Bickle never represented God. These wicked leaders will face an angry God one day and pay for their wickedness eternally. If you let them drag you into a bitter place, that's giving them some control in your life. Don't give them that! Something you'll need to think and pray on is forgiveness. It doesn't mean they're absolved of their guilt. It means that you're turning it over to God. He can punish in ways that we can't even imagine (in this life and the next). And He will! In my comment I posted on this video, I listed some very good teachers that have a true heart for God. I prayed and prayed on the subject. God led me to these teachers and they've been so helpful in my walk. You have been hurt. Jesus was abandoned by all His followers in His darkest moments. He knows and understands our hurt. Let Him heal your heart. It will take time. But He is faithful! I'll pray for you, brother!
@michaelkistner62867 ай бұрын
@@teach9058 thank you. Strange as this sounds, it never occurs to me to wonder if the lord has abandoned me. I've just come to the reluctant conclusion that anyone who truly wants to know and follow our king is going to be an outlier in an evangelical American church. I've decided to look elsewhere for a community to serve.
@LisaSni7 ай бұрын
Great Book on the subject Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse DAVID JOHNSON JEFF VAN VONDEREN
@connielester16417 ай бұрын
Excellent breakdown of this vile spirit that has run rampant for decades. The Lord is now allowing exposure and I pray these leaders genuinely repent and allow the Lord to heal them. I pray for the victims to come to know the truth that they are loved and so very precious to their heavenly Father. God is absolutely good.
@krisranney1507 ай бұрын
Yes, Blaise! Great insight and teaching!
@deborahthorp7587 ай бұрын
You are so right brother have seen this exactly in church and basically what it boils down to we all in the body if Christ need to respect one another's walk with the Lord Jesus Christ. He is our lord. He us leading and guiding us is at work within us both to will and to do of His good pleasure. We're never told to be under the control of man
@TheMissSmittenАй бұрын
Blaise, I know that this video is old, but I want to sincerely thank you for making this video. I listened to this back then about four months after the IHOPKC scandal broke out, and it helped me out of the fog of gaslighting that I have felt about the house of prayer that I used to serve in. Almost everything that you said felt horrifyingly familiar to my situation, and having been involved in it for 10 years plus in my 20s to early 30s, it felt like I finally came up for air after years of being spiritually abused. I've denounced the toxic beliefs of the house of prayer movement, and have, like what you said, cut my losses in terms of the ministry relationship with many leaders and friends in the house of prayer (of which, I pray that despite the fact that we can't minister together anymore under the same HOP theology, they would still consider me a sister in the faith, as how I consider them my brothers and sisters in faith). I watched this again today because I started to question again, "Was I really spiritually abused?", and felt affirmed that I'm not crazy or wrong to think so. It really helps in making sure I don't get re-gaslighted into feeling like I'm crazy to think that I was spiritually abused. Thank you, Blaise, and also Christina, for your ministry. It has touched me and helped me greatly in my healing journey.
@vickyjohnson69197 ай бұрын
Brilliant balanced teaching. Thankyou 🎉
@denalowry87107 ай бұрын
If they call a man's wife a Jezebel -- they are inferring the husband is an Ahab.
@shadowboxcat7 ай бұрын
This is an excellent video. We have been there and had to RUN! Thank you and keep speaking out on spiritual abuse.
@dickersojr7 ай бұрын
I've been under all the above in the past. Spot On.
@tueswtina7 ай бұрын
Good job on the teaching! Appreciate it.
@rolladallas91787 ай бұрын
I applaud you & your wife Blaise, you're doing a great thing as well, I can see your own deliverance at hand in this The NAR web is a sticky thing & it takes years, if not decades to get out
@andrewhambling7 ай бұрын
Greetings from Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺 I agree with everything you have stated in this episode and the spiritual abuse that can exist in the charismatic community. This led me to do more research on the history of some of these Pentecostal/Charismatic prophets including Paul Cain and Bob Jones not just taking the words of others as gospel. How about listening to other dissenting testimonies also? Getting a balanced perspective on everything I took for granted as being true because I trusted the testimony of others. I found some examples of where to look in regards to historical research in contrast to the terrible Gods Generals fictional novel written by the disgraced Roberts Lairdon (who admitted to having a homosexual relationship with a youth pastor and only stood down from ministry for three months). I just took that history as correct and didn't know that it is one of the worst researched books out there. When I was a charismatic I also just believed the testimony's of others about people rather than doing the research for myself and finding multiple testimonies that might be saying something else other than what I wanted to hear about that person. Its exactly the same with this whole Mike Bickle case. Many still won't agree that Mike did anything wrong or don't think he should be stepped down out of ministry all together whilst others who have a more balanced approach to hear all of the voices and testimonies available and come up with a more informed response to the whole situation. This is why it's important to have another good look at some of these so called charismatic/Pentecostal leaders of the past and find out for ourselves how problematic these were not just at the end of their "ministry" but also from the very beginning. For example, John Alexander Dowie was a crook from the beginning when he fled Australia. Just like TB Joshua, all the so called miracles of Dowie were false and faked and just hype. John Alexander Dowie was a conman not just at the end as we were led to believe. He was wearing his ridiculous Elijah garb in Australia before we fled to San Francisco. All his so called miracles were just a myth. John G Lake who is highly revered in charismatic circles had all sorts of issues and allegations about him and other voices and testimonies calling him out well well before he fled to South Africa. Why don't we hear about this? Why did he flee to South Africa? What is the fruit of his ministry in South Africa? Why can't we listen to those voices too just like in the Mike Bickle case and find out if what we heard or read about these guys is really true. William Branham was an an absolute charlatan from the very beginning, all the so called amazing miracles he supposedly performed are all an absolute myth. He wasn't a gifted Christian preacher at all. He didn't even have a gift of the Holy Spirit. Please research it. Find out from some guys who actually grew up in the message cult and have uncovered a whole lot of facts about who the real William Branham was that we didn't read about in the Gods generals book. Right from the beginning and right till his death he was a fake. All the amazing gifts he had and supposedly performed were all a lie a charismatic myth. We have been fed a whole lot of myths amongst the charismatic community because we truly want to believe all the miracles we heard or read about were absolute true but were just plain myths that grew into a reality. I agree with you on that the errors and manipulations should be exposed and avoided. We must all be seeking a return to biblical orthodoxy and not just believing everything we hear about no matter how great it sounds and tickles our ears. Thanks for the updates. Keep up the great work from both you and your wife. God bless. Andrew.
@SunshineCali1237 ай бұрын
I agree with you. In the past years I had investigated and arrived to the same conclusions. In doing so it made me turn around and go to the one true source-Jesus- The Word of God. Our rock, our sure foundation. Through the process I will never follow any so called prophets or self proclaimed Apostles again. Only look to Jesus who spoke nothing but the will of the Father. I addressed some of this but for some reason Blaise or Christina saw fit to delete my comment. Wondering if your comment will stay.
@andrewhambling7 ай бұрын
Thanks for your reply. I agree with you. Keep your eyes affixed on Jesus Christ alone and read your Bible in light of what He has accomplished in His life death and resurrection. I can't see why Blaise or Christina would delete my comment considering their insistence on having a balanced conversation and not only listening to voices that agree with you. Both of them have denounced any cultish behaviour and insisted on how toxic and unacceptable it is and how it should never be tolerated in any Christian community. We need to be able to hear the truth when it comes to any person even if it's difficult to hear. When if we hear the whole story we can make proper informed decisions based on all the evidence provided. We should celebrate the truth. From what I've heard this couple are doing a great job informing many people on how to be well informed and not just accept everything we hear or read that we agree with. God bless, Andrew.
@paula1007627 ай бұрын
Wow! 😮 I'm blown away!! Thanks for sharing this info!!
@pinkparasollise96467 ай бұрын
I've walked with Jesus for 35 years, and am single by choice. I find most married Christian couples are deluded into thinking that because God has given them a spouse and children, that 'they've arrived."... that "they know everything there is to know..." that "they automatically have earned leadership in the church." The immaturity with married couples today is scary for me. I call it the "religion of marriage," and it has nothing to do with growth in Jesus Christ. The Duggar family is the prime example of this. I've left many churches because the male married pastors were 'hitting on me" as a single lady. It's being observed that "Christians" who felt forced to take the c0v1d jabs are truly not following our precious Holy Spirit.
@laraderksen42976 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for this. Sooo many people need to hear this.
@hebrews11vs57 ай бұрын
This is eye opening. Thank you!
@mikel.flanders7 ай бұрын
So good and spot on. For those that doubt a pastor would counsel and pressure a spouse away from her husband….it happens. My wife and ministry partner ended our 20 year marriage as she was secretly being counseled by our pastor.
@blaiseforet41987 ай бұрын
Wow. I’m so sorry 😢
@mikel.flanders7 ай бұрын
@@blaiseforet4198all good bro. I put in the work and rediscovered me. I went thru pastoral restoration program that has set me in a path of starting a new ministry for pastors like you are speaking about. Gonna be a crazy journey.
@Titus2BibleStudy7 ай бұрын
Here’s two more examples of Spiritual abuse…. Calling someone a Pharisee for studying Scripture on a topic or telling someone they are blaspheming the Holy Spirit when they ask questions about your perceived move of God.
@rachaelwalvatne62217 ай бұрын
Appreciate you and your sweet wife so much and you can go ahead and call it a cult in good conscience, brother. It has all the hallmarks
@turquoismama337 ай бұрын
Thank you so much !!
@racheldelacruz36657 ай бұрын
You are 💯 right ✅️ it's heart breaking 💔
@user-cw3gi5mz5i7 ай бұрын
What was the wisdom in having TB PREACH ar Forerunner yesterday??
@docbarm33387 ай бұрын
It was so bad
@Ikdgnot7 ай бұрын
Not,very wise. Maybe a way to,say Mike Bickle is,coming back. Definitely a slap in the face for Mike Bickle’s victims.
@PeacefulWarrior0006 ай бұрын
At the same time, people should NOT be in ministry if they don't have the character to hold their gifts. That is the making of a spiritual abuser, someone who doesn't have that strong godly character. Pastors should absolutely pastor their flock in not putting someone in leadership that does not have the character, even if they DO have strong prophetic, evangelistic, or deliverance giftings. Regarding spiritual abuse, it's not always the pastor or even a leader. A lot of times, it's someone who's just a typical church member. Therefore, I would also encourage people to not allow just anyone to speak into their lives. It needs to be a trusted friend. It needs to be someone whose character has been observed over time.
@maikundi47557 ай бұрын
Thank you for this!
@miryamnae21644 ай бұрын
I grew up in a hatefilled, judgmental, ‘church’ with a mean minister who was not a ‘minister’ at all. In ways, the spiritual abuse has never left me.
@JohnDavis-hv7nf7 ай бұрын
When loyalty, submission, and obedience are demanded- of course God does desire our loyalty, submission, and obedience, but it is a freewill offering. All of our involvement in an organizations is a freewill offering, it is not duty-bound. We have to treat every person as a free man because they are.
@roxanneharrison37747 ай бұрын
Very good info..one of many incidence come to mind in my Christian walk. 30+ years ago..I approached my then Pastor..about a dream the Lord gave me to go a specific church ..a start up. Initially i was not excited about it. When I spoke to the Pastor..i literally saw his countenance charge..it was so drastic..i thought i saw fangs. I eventually obeyed the Lord, through another witness..so awesome. The youth Pastor was inside a huge inflated black whale..he was inside painting the ribs on its side. I immediately got the message..I was Jonah 😂 and i was inside that whale. I obeyed. ❤
@glorialovesChrist7 ай бұрын
Church hurt and religious abuse happens in many churches. Some worse than others. Are the abusers confronted? Are they humble and repent? Most of the time its about control and manipulation. Mean and pride culture. Is more common than sexual abuse.
@Sara-ky5nf7 ай бұрын
Sadly I went to a church like this... the covering umbrella was taught all the time and even stories about death and turmoil for people when they left. And nobody was allowed to hang around with those who left or were "on their way out." Took me 2 years to leave out of fear of what would happen to me if I left. Absolutely manipulative. God help us all.
@robbieelliot94917 ай бұрын
How can anyone trust the prophetic word from man... because they feel right? You have to test it from Scripture anyway. These men have special access to confidential info of many in their networks. Tread carefully and do not allow ppl to lay hands on you too readily.
@thomaswhite34033 ай бұрын
Me and my wife were in it for 16 years and walked away 3 years ago!
@cathycates45427 ай бұрын
This sounds like grooming. Not about mentoring but controlling. Thanks.🎉❤
@susanking50087 ай бұрын
So appreciate u & Christina! Thank u.
@wordsoflife427 ай бұрын
Hey yo Blaise, if you read through your comments and are open to requests, I am about 9 minutes in on the Tracey Bickle speech. I was getting over that her mannerisms strike me as Mike Bickle, you know, and my wondering of why she's on the stage specifically...but I'm only about 9 minutes in, and it seems to me (couched in pretty 'Christian language') she is starting to insinuate the 'spirit of Cain' ie 'murder' onto the present situation and those who are 'not getting what they want.' In the context of IHOP presently standing off with their law firm against Boz, idk bro. Seems suspect. Are they still playing the black horse manipulation game from stage - just shifting gears on the language? Even the way she's magnifying grace. Okay, then receive GRACE - as they were petitioned for to begin with. Haha I should probably just do a video on it myself but these people are hurting my brain at this point 🤦♂Your fighting spiritual 'kryptonite' for many, this spiritual abuse/manipulation that has demobilized so many. If you get a chance to speak to it in your next update? If not, no worries. Thanks for this, your channel has been a blessing to my wife and I 🙏
@wordsoflife427 ай бұрын
Alright bro, I officially made it to 12 minutes now and can concur with myself...yes, she is most definitely exerting Scriptural abuse (ie a form of spiritual abuse) over the flock. I hate to say it but this seems to only confirm to me we are at a complete split in the road. This is a war of the Spirit...and He feels absent from the show there. I'm really just scratching my head a bit at the sister move. Having a sister myself, you're supposed to be the defender not vic versa. You do not send her out before you to speak. Mike must still be pulling strings...eh 🤔
@annielyst7 ай бұрын
You need to do a video on it. Your videos are great! When did she speak? Yesterday? @@wordsoflife42
@tlsings557 ай бұрын
@@wordsoflife42 - Hey John, I know you aren't asking me directly, but when I saw your comments, I wanted to tell you that I can relate to my brain (and heart) hurting with this. When I saw that Tracey Bickle was teaching at IHOP this past Sunday, I commented to my husband that "this just doesn't sit well." It just gives me this sick feeling. Seems like continued acts of manipulation and a lot of deep cords and unhealthy ties. 💔
@wordsoflife427 ай бұрын
Thanks for chiming in. And yeah...I honestly stopped (due to mental anguish) at about 13 minutes and haven't gone back yet. I don't think I will unless I'm gonna bring myself to speak to it. I was a "PR" guy in the military (hard to believe for some 😅) so I did find it interesting they are bringing in the general guy. I don't know him personally. He seems nice if not very nervous. I remember how important it was for us, they drilled, to stay on the "Command Message" when a catastrophe happens (on base or for any interactions with the public release of information). The Command Message was essentially conceal information from the public who "doesn't need to know" and perform a spin of how great we are doing facing the catastrophe (we ourselves had caused). If it sounds like a depressing job, you're right 😑I cannot tell you how much this looks like a public PR campaign in the military with a command message to stick to (in regard to the ELT, Eric Volz, and the General Fuller guy). But when it comes to Tracey Bickle on the stage - that felt like a dark shade's sword or something. It can be much more difficult to decipher and break down (if not dodge the swipes yourself). I believe it's a type of 'prophetic manipulation' of the Scriptures intended to divert the hearts and minds of the flock. It's especially hard when the person (perhaps deceived themselves) infuses themselves emotionally into the "truth" of their message. I really was trying to keep an open mind and heart when I started listening. I guess it just...is what it is. Do you know if she has ever spoken there on stage before? @@tlsings55
@tlsings557 ай бұрын
@@wordsoflife42 In the words of Gomer Pyle-ShaZAM and Gall-Lee (Golly)! 😅 I gotta relieve the heaviness with some humor once in awhile. Seriously, though…TB is on the leadership team (and has been for a long time) at IHOPKC. I couldn’t remember the “official” title, but looked it up- “Director of Restoration and Recovery in the Pastoral Support department.” 🫠
@wordsoflife427 ай бұрын
Misty Edwards statement...I just spotted this morning...after I already finished the Tracey Bickle video 😑 Today is her birthday bro. I feel compelled to speak. But uhhh...I'm done...the Lord rebukes me to "stop trusting in mere humans" (Isaiah 2:22) 🥺 😵🥴🤮🥵🥶🤯🤒🤕😶
@robinl66595 ай бұрын
Great info! Thank You!
@joianguiano657 ай бұрын
Wow I’ve experienced a lot of this through the years been saved for39 years…
@wrshpr4lf7 ай бұрын
" you become your own apostle on your own mountain" mic drop! 😭
@rachaelwalvatne62217 ай бұрын
Gaslighting is one example of abuse
@sixfootfive65566 ай бұрын
Wow. You mentioned Bill Gothard of the IBLP. I had thought about that whole organization, and seen some similarities between that organization and IHOP.
@songsgardensbyjenniferlynn32427 ай бұрын
So good to hear this. Thanks
@lorisale74687 ай бұрын
Spot on!
@couragedearheart29517 ай бұрын
Excellent
@annegent77106 ай бұрын
I think it ALL goes back to forsaking the Word of God. It’s such a shame that this crazy stuff has been going on much longer than it first appeared. They do not love the truth. 😥
@paula1007627 ай бұрын
Omg first ive ever heard that about Roberts Liardon!! 😮 Wiw! Did not know that!! 🤦🏻
@tedrobinson57137 ай бұрын
When are you going to do a piece on TD Jakes and some Commentators have remained silent because it's a Black church Jesus doesn't distinguish race in the Body of Christ .
@tedrobinson57137 ай бұрын
@@janicebooy1007 I didn't know that you were the official Spokesman for the Ministery and I guess you have told me off
@bordendonna5 ай бұрын
Abuse? False doctrine and dangerous non-biblical practices cause harm “Started following #mikebickle at age 15. The mysticism is the primary thing that drew me. I prayed in silence hours a day for 3 years before I moved to #ihopkc. Ppl often do not know how some kinds of #meditation can be invasive psychologically. Esp “inner healing”. Mysticism made abuse (all kinds) at IHOPKC easier.
@user-tp5vl7un4f7 ай бұрын
"I saw demons circling your husband's head when he was in the prayer room" - Dale Anderson 🙄
@annaferrone34176 ай бұрын
I'm really dealing with this right now. Please pray for me
@annaferrone34176 ай бұрын
Devastated
@annaferrone34176 ай бұрын
In the church as a whole period
@Star-dj1kw7 ай бұрын
✅
@deirdrehelms59584 ай бұрын
Because she grew up Pentecostal like I did They teach and live in much more of fear of the Lord, and awesome fear. They would never ever speak the Thus saith the Lord, unless we absolutely knew it was God Anddd and if it didn’t come true… they would they would not welcome back to the church unrepented…you see the difference? I think we need to go back to that
@susandumbill88056 ай бұрын
Hi Blaise and Christina, I hope you don't mind, but I think it's important to mention that recently I watched a video in which Rick Joyner says it's ok to take the Mark of the Beast. I found this disturbing, especially as this could potentially influence 'baby' or immature christians when the time comes, and the implications for anyone making the wrong choice - taking the Mark - are terrifying (Revelation 14 verses 9-11). You can check by searching: 'Rick Joyner Says Taking the Mark of the Beast Isn't The Sin', video by Revealing Truth. The video is 3:09 mins. Posted: 3/1/2024.
@susandumbill88054 ай бұрын
@@johnpayne4569 Sadly it's there, and he said it. I watched the video myself, as have many, by now. I've heard since that he's apologized for some things. Let's hope he does the same re this. He's had a stroke recently, and seems to have been thinking differently since. I hope he sees sense, as we all need to.
@cricketmay86407 ай бұрын
😂 love your honesty!
@robbieelliot94917 ай бұрын
The covering and submission doctrines really mess with your head. They talk about submitting to God but switch it. Submit to the Word and Truth, and you find the path.
@rachaelwalvatne62217 ай бұрын
In the charismatic definition of a “Jezebel spirit”, are men (ie MB) excluded??
@PeacefulWarrior0006 ай бұрын
They shouldn't be. It's about manipulating, controlling, and intimidating actions. It's a spirit, so it's totally genderless.
@joshuaharris53077 ай бұрын
henchmen... like Jezebel was for Ahab. She did the dirty work he wanted done. Bro, some things that people ought to understand and look for: financial accountability, leadership structure, statement of faith, bylaw and constitutions. a lot of red flags can be detected in observing those things before ever getting involved
@fernandoarredondo40157 ай бұрын
Your thresholds in 20min went from 1 to 18 likes, be avised
@anthonylomonte34377 ай бұрын
You were to young at 18.
@martinharsmar14276 ай бұрын
I have lissen to you alot, and much of what u saying here is right. BUT u dont even read the Bible in this. So this is 100 % ur lived experiens or your guessing. It would have been better with a biblestudie about this. But keep up the good work on the other episodes.
@johnnilan82407 ай бұрын
You need to operate in your arena of experience and expertise. Sell insurance. Don’t dabble in spiritual abuse. You are way over your head and out of your depth. This is not the time to play amateur counselor. I am very serious. You can do more harm than that which has been done. I suggest that you read the books of the criminal profiler John Douglas before you attempt to identify the nefarious agents of spiritual abuse. Then go to a local district court and observe several criminal trials involving criminal sexual penetration accusations and wait for the jury's verdict. Then schedule to return for sentencing. There you get the whole package. I still remember a high collar pastor giving character testimony on behalf of a monstrous criminal offender I had convicted. What a dispicable minister. So get some practice under your belt before you even consider giving advice on anything but salesmanship.
@robbieelliot94917 ай бұрын
He is operating in his experience, and his expertise is finding the truth. There are many who have been burned by so called spiritual authorities who have served themselves at the expense of others. If you have a pearl of wisdom to offer, or a counter argument, then offer it and we can all learn.
@kerriferguson20237 ай бұрын
Please read my comment above. One of my sons disclosed to the Pastors of my church that his father had been sexually abusing him for years and he was told to go home and "obey his father"! At a later trial the lead Pastor went to court as a character witness, not for the victim, but for the paedophile! After all the publicity he started a "new" church and is idolised by yet more sycophantic and naive people despite the public record of the trial and his own admissions. He has since denigrated the family from the pulpit and referred me (the one who was responsible for getting the case to trial) as a "nutter". I place a great deal of responsibility onto those who ignore the warnings and follow blindly after these wolves.