Former ihopper here. Grateful for the deep dive you guys are doing on this mess.

Allen hood’s heart alone in that video vs. General Fuller’s demeanor in the video response this morning speak volumes

I read somewhere “It is easier to deceive a man than it is to convince him that he has been deceived.”

Actually, Allen said yes, he wants to be investigated and have the opportunity to repent if he did anything wrong or in anyway hurt anyone. Allen embraces the light.

I watched the AG 's 3 videos yesterday. They are so excellent, informative, clarifying, and helpful!!! I am so grateful to our Lord Jesus that He continues to bring the truth to us. The depth of sin and mis handling of MB and IHOPKC is grave. I'm praying for genuine repentance on MB's part and all those culpable.

Character trumps gifting all day long! Excellent discernment

The three AG videos brought such clarity. Between Dean Briggs as the brave, bold warrior, Allen Hood’s relational shepherding, Elizabeth Herder’s Mark 12:31 faithfulness and devotion, and all the rest of these courageous stewards, I felt myself actually exhale. “The only recourse for sin of powerful leaders and charismatic, independent churches is the public press. We ought to be grieved over this. The fear of the Lord should take hold of us for this. That we cannot…we don’t have enough integrity to do the right thing and overcome basic self-preservation. The prayer folk didn’t overcome it, which means prayer does not just correct organizational dysfunction and corruption. We need a look in the mirror and come to terms as the body of Christ-we’re not doing church right. We need help.” ~Allen Hood

Your channel is the only one I listen to about the IHOPKC business. Thank you, you and your wife do a responsible job of explaining this.

I thought Allen's point about this being a Ps. 51 moment for Mike. It's Nathan showing up at your door was so powerful.

Thanks. The AG's made those videos in December but didn't release them because shortly afterward, the organization seemed to want to work with them. The videos were only released after the organization doubled down and appeared to blame the AG and victims for everything. Say hello to your beautiful wife for all of us.

"Character trumps gifting". Sadly enough, the church struggles with this....especially with worship leaders.

It's so crazy to me that people actually saw Mike playing footsie with other women and no one batted an eye. This is the shadow side to Honor culture and celebrity pastors. Hero-worship is alive and well in church. And it HAS to end. We have to see even our best as human.

Character trumps gifting every single time. Yes

Well done, Blaise. If the scope ever went beyond the “sexual” aspect of abuse to the ethical and moral aspects of malfeasance committed by Bickle and those who ran guard for him, the “group” would swell to a mob. (I refer to things I know of first hand, but are only a shadow of things already revealed). This exposure is well deserved and will not be deterred. Thank you for the voice you’ve given to those yet unheard.

It's interesting that they confronted you on "hyper grace" theology, but now they don't want to hold Mike Bickle accountable saying they want to show mercy and restore him. I'd say the "hyper mercy" theology is a lot more harmful than the "hyper grace," and I am not a fan of "hyper grace" either.

My husband and I met the Lord in the midst of the Jesus Movement. We've seen a lot through the years, but nothing has shaken us as much as this...not with our walk with the Lord, but with our trust in ministries and the prophetic movement. Thankfully, we don't put men on a pedestal, so when they fall, we remain strong. Finding out what Mike Bickle has been doing all along has gutted us to the core. We would have defended him forever, never dreaming he would do such a thing. We are now looking at everyone we listen to with different eyes. So very sad. 😭

As the head goes, so goes the body. Bickle’s character created a culture at iHopKC. Using “prophecies” to protect and cover yourself is DISGUSTING! Since the 80’s.

Blessings from Canada. 🇨🇦

I never realized how sheltered I have been (by the Lord) over the past 30 years or so until I stumbled on this subject. I think the biggest lesson the church, as in the people, should take away is to learn to recognize such deceit while it's small. Thereby preventing its growth and saving a lot of heartache. As important as spiritual discernment is, a few simple rules and a touch of logic could protect us at our foundations. The first and foremost rule should be: GOD will NEVER contradict HIMSELF. By the way, I despise acronyms. It took me ever so long to figure out why a scandal in restaurants was important to the body of Christ.

Today was the pressrelease of an indepentant report about sexual abuse in the Protestant church in Germany. Sorry my English is not good. Devastating. The are not better than the Catholic Church. Now I read the summary of the report and it is always the same. The abused people and there families are treated often not good. Forgive, give grace was often told. But they want to stop it, and that the abusive person take responsibility for their abuse. Criminal investigation. 100 abused person were part of the team writing the report.They said we were treated so badly from the church but we stood up together over years demanding investigation. They said we have our voice back. We speak… The report was only the beginning.

I think that you & your wife Christina are honest, wise, perceptive & trustworthy. What a great family. It's stressful moving, so I hope & pray that it all goes well, which it will. Thanks for your updates & insights. Mind yourselves! ☘️

By the way, Bickle used to preach sermons on these exact things! Character and integrity trumping gifting! He taught on the men of the 1950's healing annointing when they fell after becoming caught up in sin and how important character is above annointing. Its so crazy!!!

My heart breaks for a dear friend of mine and her 3 sons who believed so much in IHOPKC. TRUTH &HEALING needs to happen!

This kind of stuff always follows heresy...and he is a heretick. God does not speak to him. He should never and I mean never be in ministry.

The issue of “choking” women really demonstrates the possibility of a misogynistic spirit.

Maybe we should stop repeating “MB is accused of ….” But rather “there is verified evidence of SA”

Allen never said he didn’t want to be investigated he said absolutely!

Number one RULE in Ministry…. Never be alone with the opposite sex… period I don’t care who you are. Bickle should have known better, this whole thing is sickening and does nothing but make The Lord look bad to the world. My heart hurts for The Lord as well as the victims 😢

Grieves my heart that some peoples first question is “ why did it take these women so long to speak up”? Hello! THIS IS WHAT ABUSE OF POWER does to people. 😩

Integrity and character go hand in hand!!!

Thank you so much for what you and your wife do. It is HUGE-you have to know how important the work you’re doing is! Your voices have been key to this process for us as we navigate it being here. Thank you.

Character trumps gifting all d-a-y long! Preach❤‍🔥 The thing is, after following Mike Bickle’s teaching, for some many years, I’ve come to the conclusion that what he was telling us was prophecy/ prophetic teaching, was just him making things up intertwined with Scripture.🇬🇧

Back in the 80’s Mike Bickle was doing this at the same time Jimmy Swaggart was exposed as well as Jim Bakker. So, so glad this is now also exposed.

This is why I won’t let anyone be my “spiritual father or mother”. Plus I just dont need one. No one does.

Blessings from Jamaica🇯🇲 Thank you thank you thank you. Keep up the good work! We must persist until there is justice, and healing for ALL victims

In all our prayers let us pray for discernment

During my short time at IHOP we had so many restrictions. It was like being in rehab. And it was ALWAYS said “no dates mates or babies” meaning we couldn’t prophesy these things (which I agree is a good rule by the way). But it’s bizarre that while I couldn’t ride in cars with members of the opposite sex or go anywhere on my day off and my group leader was constantly checking on us in the prayer room, the LEADERSHIP is prophesying all these things, playing footsies with girls and actually sexually assaulting them. I can’t wrap my head around how they were so legalistic in our internship but somehow it’s okay for leadership to behave this way

Thank you so much for your video especially in light of your family moving! I know what that’s like I had 5 children and moved what fun!😁 thank you again for your candid talk and laying out the pieces of this tragedy! The Godly wisdom from you and your wife is much needed! Praying for your beautiful family!

You're a wise, good leader, an honest broker. It's refreshing to hear about other good Leaders like Alan Hood. We pray for all the lady's who are victims, we ask for kind & caring Leader's who will listen care properly for them, Amen 🙏 🙏 🙏

Somebody call the cops !!!

I think they're very likely masonry.

I can’t believe all this is happening.. I just keep saying this over and over 💔

Thank you Blaise! and the advocate group! for all the hard work to bring the truth!

YESSSSS. This whole video. You guys are saying what I’ve been saying and I’m SO encouraged I’m not alone. PREACH IT!

Repentance and belief/trust in Jesus go hand in hand. You can't separate them. You can't repent without belief in Jesus and you can't believe without repenting. They are both the gift of God. Granting repentance unto life is the same thing as granting faith. A gift to be received. Repentance includes turning from evil to faith/obedience to Jesus. Many Christians try to say that the gift of faith and salvation does not include repentance or that repentance is only mental assent and has nothing to do with turning away from evil and dead works and surrendering in obedience to Jesus. But look at these verses. Repenting from evil does not save you but it does happen when one puts their faith in Jesus and is born again. It just results from the new nature. Repentance is a gift that comes with the measure of faith that is given to every person upon their believing in Jesus. Those who do not repent do not truly believe.

I saw all those interviews. Excellent, but heartbreaking.

I am a former l hopper and l so agree with this. My son was so spiritually damaged by the one thing internship that he became an atheist. My oldest daughter ended up in a lesbians relationship as a result of beintroduced to a friend of friend in the summer teen internship. There is no real protective oversight of some of their programs because they are run inexperienced young people not much older than the people they are ministering to. I left in 2009 and glad l did.

Man I hope its ministry where you land. Brother we need yall

I am choosing to forgive ELT. Choosing to forgive Isaac. Choosing to forgive Mike. 😢 But I don’t trust them, and I won’t be submitted to that kind of leadership. I pray that I will be given grace when I make mistakes (all sin is sin). However, I think that there is a period of waiting and seeing… Will this devastating loss bring healing and accountability and grow character. Or, will it create a new false king?

I remember when we moved with 2 kids (3 and under). And again with 5 kids 10 and under. It’s fun. I was actually given a word that helped me through the entire process of moving our family a few states away. Reach out if that sounds helpful to you. Praying for a safe and smooth move.

Not for nothing; but when people start invoking things using language like "Black Horse Prophecies" as if it is something from Lord of the Rings, that ought to he a good indication that you are getting played.

Congrats on the big move / changes! Hopefully y’all are coming to Texas!!!! 🙏🏽 whatever it is, praying for y’all and excited to hear God is moving in your lives! ❤️❤️❤️

Lol about 2 minutes in and just want to say I appreciate your conversational podcast with the wifey but your solos are like good bro time for me haha always dropping good heart stuff. Appreciate you man! Kinda bummed your moving my wife said you guys were like 2 hours from us. I was heartened to know such good blood was nearby. Pray God blesses the adventure though and brings favor and strength 🙏

I didn't but I found abuse other places and this is helping me face it and come out of the oppression of it

Thank you, again. What a help those videos that were posted by The Advocate Group have been... proof at last that the Matt 18 process was attempted by the first Jane Doe and her husband... proof too that there are former leaders of tender and upright heart that just want to shine light on the truth so that all who were hurt can find healing. It's been agonizing to see how long this has drug along AND to know it's got more to go yet, but heartening to see it moving in the right direction.

Yes. Character trumps gifting .... all the time. Can't believe you're in the middle of a move and still a watchman on the wall. Grateful for you both. 🙏

Always great to hear from you and your wife on this. Thanks!

I appreciate you both for what you are doing. It needs to be done and you both are speaking truth with love. Thank you!

Thank you for this.

Character TRUMPS Gifting ALL DAY LONG! and my soul screams, AMEN! AMEN! and AMEN!

That is my FRAT BRO!!! Good word, Allen.

Well said about needing the grandkid. Truth

One person's hands is on the wheel

So good to hear the value character over celeb status.

I don't come here bearing dreams or visions or a prophetic word, but I do have something to share about the bottom lines in this sad and sordid mess that continues to unfold: Concerning MB....It is not part of God's nature (or attributes) to "defend" wicked and perverted individuals who refuse to humble themselves before the Lord and others that they have sinned against. MB is not the man of God that so many want to believe that he is. He is a coward and continues to hide behind the cloak of IHOPKC instead of doing what a "true" man of God is called to do. Concerning IHOPKC leadership(?).... This organization has crafted various posturing's and/or maneuvers but it all amounts to smoke and mirrors...simply a facade, waiting for the fury and clamor to die out so they can resume "business as usual" with only a few minor adjustments and no more public accountability then is absolutely necessary. Concerning the Advocates....Many of us in the body of Christ appreciate the courageous stand you have taken in support of these women who were without a doubt spiritually abused and manipulated by MB (and others (?), in the manner of "thus saith the Lord") and need voices such as yours to stand with them as they share their experiences in a very public forum. Having said that, whenever I hear someone speak about another man as their "spiritual father", that title or phrase always points to one word..."Idolatry". If we are all open and honest about that word, then we are "all" guilty of that somewhere in our lives and it must be dealt with for what it is. It is not just an ugly word....it is SIN. Whether that idolatry is in the form of our spouse or children, spiritual leaders/shepherds (?), worship music (?) money, comfort or security, our jobs, hobbies, TV, sports, religion, etc....anything that we set on a pedestal can and will lead us all into idolatry. It's a very subtle type of sin that very quietly creeps into our lives, so as to go unnoticed. Concerning the Survivors.... The hearts and prayers of many in the body of Christ are with you. We care about you; support you and we truly believe you when you share your horrible experiences involving the failures/SIN of MB and IHOPKC leadership (?). No one deserves to live these types of experiences, but scriptures assure us of trials and tribulations in this fallen world. That doesn't change the love Christ and our heavenly Father has for us. He doesn't always prevent these things from happening to His loved ones, but He is always there to walk through it with us. Concerning All Involved....Idolatry is alive and well. MB's idolatry was unto himself and his own agenda (24/7 prayer). Leaderships idolatry was towards MB and 24/7 prayer mandate. Survivors' idolatry was also towards MB, 24/7 prayer mandate, as well as having a strong desire to be accepted by those in authority and wanting to be one of the "true one's" inside the inner circle. As I stated earlier, idolatry is a very subtle type of sin, not an "in your face" type of sin. However, if there had been true discernment exercised by "all" concerned....and there is a heavy emphasis towards the leadership's ability to discern and act appropriately...this situation very well could have been adverted decades ago. For All of Us....Examine ourselves against scripture, humble ourselves before our God and repent (and turn away from) of the idolatry that we have allowed to creep into our lives and pray for His mercy.

I haven't heard anyone mention something that Mike mentioned in his last sermon. Remember he spoke about a phone call with Loren Cunningham on his death bed and Mike said the Lord spoke to Loren, as Loren wanted to pass his mission onto someone, and said, "I trust Mike." That statement impacted me and I found myself agreeing and thought it was amazing that the Lord would say that. Little did I know that that statement was more than likely said to manipulate everyone into thinking that God trusted Mike. No-one can even check to see if that conversation really happened. Unbelievable!

We appreciate you guys!

Greetings from Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺

Very good to open this up -

Amen you are spot on.. love you two so much. From this older generation ( 69yrs.) but you two remind me of a space of long ago. lol. No! I’ve watched when Christine wasn’t there, maybe because I’m a mom & grandma lol.. that little boy was find, I have to guess that statement came from one of these younger guys 🤣🤣 patience, patience people.😂😂✝️🛐❤️🫵🏼 TWO AND LITTLE GUY.. haven’t met the other two babies of yours 😞😩🥰

Let God be the judge😢

I watched General Fuller's statement prior to seeing The Advocacy Group videos. I didn't really get why there was so much push back to Fuller's statement. However, listening to you today really opened my eyes to the absolute need for a neutral 3rd party here. I have so much respect for Allen Hood's position on this. I'm going to be very careful from this point on as to who I listen to. In fact, I don't think it's wise for me to follow this unfolding tragedy too closely. I have nothing in this except compassion for those hurt by this (I've been through something similar but not on such a grand scale), and some anger for those who tried to cover everything up after they knew the truth. It's past time for some brutal honesty here, and I think it's best sorted out by an entity that has not been under the leadership of Mike Bickle.

Looks like Brown is stepping up. Called out Fuller. . . And is promising to put pressure on getting a suitable 3rd party chosen by AG and coordinate urging from many other global leaders for ihop just to accept it without input or pushback and open up the books before they have to publicly decry the ministry. Hope he’s serious. Would like to see his redemption arc too! But we must hold this kind of stuff accountable too. . . I why do I get my hopes up for this stuff. . 😩

On one hand, it would seem they have everything to lose by coming forward. But the truth is they have everything to gain by coming forward. Otherwise, they can never heal from the trauma and it’s God’s desire that they heal so they can be whole and live free from all the burden and shame.

The Messed Up Church did a video last night and recommended "The Advocate Group."

At one point I was considering packing up and going there as a intercessory missionary

He said “co-leader” not “cult leader”

Character before gifting!

Mike Brumbeck doesn’t have a clue as to what he is talking about. We have waaaay more knowledge about grooming than we use to and yet he has no interest in educating himself.

“You need a kid in your life.” Perfect comment!😂

Love your sharing about your journey studying the word and developing your theology

Behold, exposure of a narcissist/wicked man.

Understatement and well said my brother!

I God Who sees all & knows, & I trust Alan Hood & Cory Russell & the victim, before anyone!!! May the truth of God prevail!!!

Please don’t be moving to Redding… please… 😅

Oh I thought ALAN said yes I know I will also be investigated and I want that. I thought it was very important when I saw it, it nullifies some accusations.

I will say one thing about the chokehold picture. Where I’m from, this would be a normal silly thing to do… It doesn’t mean it’s right and it doesn’t mean it’s appropriate, but I do know a lot of guy friends who like to joke like that or who would do something like that… Especially posing for a picture. My own husband jokes like that from time to time, and I do too with him. There is no aggression within this type of joking. When we do it and from childhood, I have never thought of it that way. When I saw this picture the first time, I did think, that was what was happening here. And even though it seems that Mike has a long-standing history of abuse and inappropriate behavior… I have personally witnessed him joking like this with other people, including men, and everyone was having fun and laughing, and there was no perceived aggression behind it. So I think this is one of those particular things where people might be trying tosqueeze milk out of a dry utter.

It's so hard for boomers and war babies to be transparent and accountable. Xyzers Daddy God is empowering us to confess our faults. Be ethical, moral and godly ✝️🕊️💜🔥

I’ve been trying to contact Christianity Today and World magazine to cover this story in conjunction with Julie Roy’s. Please contact them as well and more, this needs attention.

Where are the fathers of the Jane does? I can tell you what I would do if my daughter went through this and it wouldn’t be pretty for mike

I need prayer

No empathy and no heart. This is what living through Media does to you. Life is not REAL

That is so good thank God for his humility he is a plant my God to save the soul of a nation who have looked through these leaders to be genuine representatives of God and they are not they are not they are not not not

Riveting...thank you Lord for saving me from this!!!

Amen! Good talk and good prayer!

Thank you!!!

In agreement with your prayer in the end!

Ha ha! “I feel like a Boomer here when it comes to navigating X…” 😂 Well, coming from a Boomer (proud to be one because we were the first to question authority), you’re on the right track and we support you!

Many blessings in your move 🎉

Did the women sin too. Yes, absolutely. Even though they were deceived and lied too; they still sinned. But Mile was the preacher. He held the spiritual leadership position. He was in the position of authority and trust over these young women. He was also much older, and a person in a position of authority and trust. He is the one who is held responsible, he abused his authority and used his position of trust to take advantage of young women. I think he is guilty. Before the law of the land? I don't know. Maybe. Whether or not the women want him punished is beside the point, and even though they sinned too is beside the point. Mile still deserves punishment. They didn't sin to near the magnitude of mile . But yes they still sinned and must repent before God. They were deceived and used by Mile. Sinned against in a horrible way. Numerous women over a period of years. That is just evil, no matter what the law says. God's standards remain no matter how many men break them. Mile knew better, and yet led women into sin against God. Mile was supposed to be leading people to trust and obey Jesus and repent of their sins. And instead he made shipwreck of people's faith and was leading them to fail spiritually and jeopardizing the eternal welfare of the people he was responsible for. People looked up to and followed him all around the world. He was in a position of spiritual influence, money and power. That spiritual sin even far surpasses the physical sin and lies; as egregious and deserving punishment as they are. He was a "spiritual shepherd" but made sin/ sexual immorality/ unfaithfulness to God/ deception/ lies and depravity out be trivial and love of the world, money and greed and delicious living to be sought after instead. 2 Peter 2 16 but was rebuked for his own transgression; a speechless donkey spoke with human voice and restrained the prophet's madness. 17 These are waterless springs and mists driven by a storm. For them the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved. 18 For, speaking loud boasts of folly, they entice by sensual passions of the flesh those who are barely escaping from those who live in error. 12 These are hidden reefs[a] at your love feasts, as they feast with you without fear, shepherds feeding themselves; waterless clouds, swept along by winds; fruitless trees in late autumn, twice dead, uprooted; 13 wild waves of the sea, casting up the foam of their own shame; wandering stars, for whom the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved forever. Jude 14 It was also about these that Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his holy ones, 15 to execute judgment on all and to convict all the ungodly of all their deeds of ungodliness that they have committed in such an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things that ungodly sinners have spoken against him