I wouldnt bet on that.....

HELL NO!

Oh even he's scared

No, they wont!

Oh, I don’t think so.

He was. But, VERY briefly. And he was described as having done something that was supposed to be a means to an end. Not much beyond that. I never even thought he was all that important until Empire.

Clinton Cook - Briefly or not, he was still mentioned.

You can see how much he became recognized with a brief mention until empire

Well it makes sense that an emperire got an emperor and in that little we learn a big thing that the emperor dissolved the senate and took absolute power

@You tuber as mentioned palatine is the emperor and of course in an empire and we do slowly build up to him If the sequels were the ot it would make more sense not to explore snoke But since they are sequels since the tfa it opened up questions if this man is old and powerful etc Why show up now did he create or took over the first order after the fall of the empire if he could do this why didn't he show up earlier to challenge the emperor The problem with the last jedi in this regard that sure it subverted our expectations but it made snoke a nobody and made nothing with him . You can't make a character and build him and then insult the fans for getting nothing (like rain did ) he didn't even have to do a fan theory he could have done anything something with it . If their Goal was that then why not have kylo be leader from the start ?

Agreed. Too bad the Star Wars fan-base will never learn from their behaviour.

ECKohns Except saying people can’t attack others isn’t attacking those people.

@ECKohns expressing your opinion is no excuse to being an asshole!

ECKohns No we're not. We're only telling them off for being rude to the ones that DO like the film.

You would think that after the reaction and the fallout George Lucas got with the prequels, the fans would have learned to not bully people.

@ECKohns Have you considered that Finn ramming the cannon with a junky speeder that was falling apart might've been about as effective as a paper plane ramming the hull of a Star Destroyer?

She ruined his character is what she ruined.

@@binkyboy448 So instead of him just dieing and maybe not taking out the super laser she risks killing them both and definitely not taking out the super laser, yeah makes total sense. Btw, why did they even take those ships out there in the first place? They had no weapons and were falling apart, what was the plan again?

I always saw Vader and Tarkin as equals fighting to see who's superior.

I heard originally when New Hope first came out, the idea was that the Emperor was just some old puppet leader for Tarkin and his war council

Are you defending TLJ

@@KingOfAnime247 Vader was clearly but to place by Tarkin when he was choking the force doubter.

@@Mark_Lunn Every day for the past year.

Josh Rivera The worst of all the Star Wars movies. Bar none.

Shadow Rift If you don’t count the prequels. Or TFA. Or rogue one. Or the holiday special. Or Solo.

Cartoon Network/Disney XD Superheroes I don’t count Rogue One, and I’ve explained many a time why I do not. It’s by no means a great film, it’s just okay. It’s the ending that matters most. As far as the prequels go? At least they held the narrative. At least nothing inexplicable happened and at least everything moved accordingly. It didn’t feel rushed and the films sure as hell kept with the established canon... for the most part, anyways. The Last Jedi does not. It’s a well known fact at this point that it was made before TFA and that it had no direction whatsoever.

@@shadowbyname2802 I can't wait for you to prove that fact with actual evidence.

Jock Duff He won’t. He just says “I’m right! You’re wrong so there!”

Luke Amparo Y E S

Piece of garbage film. That’s all I’ll say.

@@shadowbyname2802 I'm not a fan of the film (the meme made me do it) either but it's your opinion anyways. I accept it.

@@shadowbyname2802 what movie are you talking about

if you watched twice, you will hate, if you watched 3 times... what are you doing with your life?

Are you kidding me? This movie sucked.

That's usually how it goes. When something is controversial and is talked about, people assume everyone will go buck wild, only to realize nothing happens.

@@Mr.Cynical Yes, but in this case are you people blind? Yes, bandwagon hate generally dying out, but there is still many idiots repeating memes from Tumbler and pretending that they are relevant. You cheap ass manipulation is one of examples here 0_0

That's very clever. By putting in all those comments and getting them pinned to the top, it's the quickest way to drown out all the toxic hate comments involving people treating this movie like it's fucking Fifty Shades of Grey levels of bad.

The star wars kids yelled them selves to sleep it's their nap time don't wake them up

@@shadow-scope-fsm7165 Yup. NC is definitelly involved in that.. look on all those imegined pins.. wait what? Are you stoned?

Lol just no. Those episodes of clone wars were actually FANTASTIC and riveting inside the clone wars episodes. The side stories in last Jedi WERE NOT. That’s the difference. It’s a matter of execution and HOW WELL it’s done.

He was indeed mentioned in the A New Hope, appeared in the Empire Strikes Back as a hologram and in Return of the Jedi he's just some old fart in a robe.

The round table meeting scene when Tarkin says the Emperor had abolished the Senate

@@wilderfox2 why would he abolish himself?

@@nametager7539 Because he is the senate

Well of course there has to be an emperor but he's never mentioned as a sith. As far as everyone knew, he was just some evil monarch. The mystery is not only the emperor but the whole story of the empire, the jedi, the republic and anything else. In TFA we knew what happened 30 years before, so we expect to be explained on what happened between trilogies.

It's SO brief, though.

but not so long that you wished for a shorter version. I.e. the Hobbit Trilogy (face it, two movies would've worked)

RhythmGrizz well with lord of the rings the pacing is brilliant making 1 hour feel like 30 minutes. I’m a new fan to Lord of the Rings but I could probably watch it every year and be entertained everytime

Yeah but Lord of the Rings is good

@@David-gj9qr LOTR actions is probably the best in cinema history.

Damn I agree with Critic. Parts with Ray Luke and Kaylo were very interesting. But did not lead to much tho. All stuff in ships was like wtf even while I was sitting in theater.

@MJPK YES! Finally a real criticism of the Last Jedi that does not make my ears bleed.

MJPK you sound like a fucking man child 👶

@MJPK You my friend are a toxic fan

I hate TLJ too but you really need to calm down, acting like that makes you look ridiculous.

I actually emerged from the theater thinking, "Man, people had problems with TFA, but everyone's gonna love this!"

My feelings were similar. It was cool, but had some flaws

Snap. I couldn't believe when everyone was talking about how awful it was and how they wanted to cut it from the franchise.

Same here. I loved the movie, but man did it had flaws

@SenatorConfer Ok, there is something as going too far. Also, that type of talking just make come of as just bad the Sith and the Empire.

Yoda went away to study the force and wait for a new hope to arise. Luke went away to die. They say as much in the movie

They both ran away because they failed. I would never compare Luke to Yoda, but Luke to Obi Wan is a more fair comparison here. Both had a student they taught turn on them, both ran off to hide away from the world. Obi Wan had a Luke to watch over to get ready to fight Darth Vader. The difference is Luke felt guilty for turning "Luke" into Darth Vader.

You know that the whole plot of TFA was about finding a map to him ? One to reach in hope, the FO to kill him... He was in danger. Anyway, Luke went hiding because he failed. Yoda did as well.. "In exile I must go, failed I have" says Yoda after losing to Sidious in EPIII.

@@Serpens007 the first order wanted to kill him or to destroy the map so he could never be found. But that was only because they knew that Luke could be found. They didn't really care (except Kylo)

@@louis-stephane1391 Yeah that was more of a correction than anything. The point is that comparing Yoda to Luke is on Point. Yoda wasn't even going to train Luke, that's how much he had given up.

Criticism is considered uncivilized these days!!? I'm shocked humanity came to the point were criticism is vilified and demonized because some fragile people's fefes are hurt by it, this is a terrible and dangerous trend, criticism helps people, companies, countries.. etc do course corrections, if we shut down all criticism because some people don't like hearing it or are offended by it we are only dooming our selves to utter mediocrity and eventually total degeneration.

Obi-Wan would welcome the critique of this painfully nihilistic movie.

TheHunterWolf People can critique this movie all they want. Though telling people to kill themselves for liking/disliking a movie I wouldn’t call “civilized”.

@@AscendantStoic whining =/= critique

@Jose Miguel Haha what a really funny joke. Everyone would burst laughing after reading that

He DID almost kill Vader in a blind rage, DESPITE seeing the good in him. That was pretty dark.

SickBoy I just see it as Luke continuing to struggle with the Dark Side, which I really enjoyed in Return of the Jedi. If anything this movie didn’t go far enough with that angle. While I found this film overall unsatisfactory, I am honestly amazed at how intensely some people hate this movie. It’s like it killed their families or something.

I always saw his exile as him looking at his attempt to recreate the Jedi Order as a failure. He attempted to make a better Order by avoiding some of the old ways he considered part of the reason the Order fell. However, the fact that Ben/Kylo started to turn, he probably saw what happened to Ben as his own fault and was too narrow minded by age to see anything beyond one solution. It wasn't until he saw what he was about to do that he felt shame about it. But, by then, it was too late. At that point, he began to wonder if the Jedi should even exist at all or if the problems in the galaxy were the result of the Jedi meddling.

SickBoy He was in a life threatening situation and Vader was taunting him. In no way comparable to holding a weapon over a sleeping boy.

It's been about 30 years since the end of Return of the Jedi. To assume that a person doesn't change to someone else over that course of time is not really unfeasible.

and he appeared in Empire

I'm glad they killed Snoke because it means we can focus more on Kylo Ren, who is more interesting than a guy who's just evil for the sake of it.

Well said, Snoke in TLJ was nothing more than Palpatine-lite, done poorly. What's actually frustrating is that it didn't need to be that way, the Force Awakens set him up like that mysterious menacing figure, a lot could have been done with him, anything but the joke he was turned into in TLJ.

@@morehero1 we don't know anything about Snoke to assume he was evil for the sake of it, because whoever messed his character up in TLJ didn't really know what to do with him cause they suck at writing 🤣 Also Kylo's motivation to be evil is based on Luke's attempt to kill him in his sleep, which is contrived as fuck and makes no sense, it cheapens his character a lot.

This is a really good explanation of the problems with Snoke, who in truth was more of a plot point than a character.

@@AscendantStoic That's not entirely true. He was corrupted by Snoke, which led Luke to think of killing him, which made everything go wrong

Emperor Reign “subverting expectations” doesn’t work if everything is made to be a sort of little ‘twist’

Exactly. Holdo not telling Poe the actual plan doesn't make any sense at all and just wastes time. The codebreaker betraying them does nothing to change the outcome. Leia almost dying and them coming back in perfect health is also pointless.

Holdo not telling Poe the plan kinda of made sense considering the possibility of a spy sending out their position and Poe did disobey an order earlier. *But* that doesn't mean she should be a jerk to him. The last thing you want in a desperate situation is low morale. Compare to battleship Bismarck's captain, when they were being chased by the entire Royal Navy fleet, he ordered his crew to build a fake smoke funnel as a disguise. It was never used and is very likely a distraction for the crew to have something to do.

@@laisy961 you know, If they did actually have a spy character relating info back to the first order and have THAT be the reason why they found them so quickly and the whole thing becomes them all trying to discover who the spy is, I think it would of been a lot more fun

Exactly. Subverting the expectations is perfectly fine. Hell, the greatest moment in this franchise was a subversion. In the original Star Wars, Darth Vader was the man who betrayed and murdered Anakin. No matter how often Lucas went back on it in interviews years later, he was *not* Anakin at first. So when Empire comes out and we get that epic twist, that there is subverting the audience's expectation. We thought we were getting Luke finally going up against the man who murdered his father, only to discover he *was* his father and his whole life was a lie. We expected one thing and it was subverted. Thing is, they had something to replace that expectation and made it worth it. TLJ on the other hand doesn't do that. They subvert things left and right like it was going out of style. The identities of Rey's parents that they made such a big deal about in TFA? Nobodies, long dead, moving on. The mysterious ruler of this new faction that is dominating the galaxy in an attempt to restore the Empire *and* who corrupted the son of our beloved OT heroes? Nope, who cares, he's not important and dead now. Oh, ok, so how about the Resistance (which admittedly is my weakest part of TFA aside from the whole final act). They clearly have some super top secret plan to get away, carry the fight on to another day, right? Big nope there. Run and run and run until you are out of fuel and the fleet is dead, all while assuring everyone "there is a plan" but never going beyond that, only for that plan to be "there's a planet over there, we're going to hide" all the while the First Order is right there. Holdo makes a big deal about staying behind on the Raddus while everyone escapes and she's clearly going to do the sacrifice play. Nope, she sits back and watches as the transports get blown away one by one and does nothing about it, not even attempting to save them or move the ship to tank the hits and provide cover, *anything* until she finally just arbitrarily decides to do the ram. The biggest problem of TLJ is that they made some major subversions but had absolutely no idea or plan to replace them. They took things that were set up brilliantly in the previous film and got people *excited* for Star Wars again, fueling the hype and speculation for so long until the film comes out and they toss it all aside. Ok, that's fine, so long as you have something worth wile to replace it, such as the Vader reveal mentioned before. But they *didn't*, they just said "yeah, that all doesn't matter and you should forget it" without giving us anything that does matter to replace it. If you're going to throw out the big draws your film has going for it, you best be ready to make up for it.

Karstens Creations Same

Same

Sounds to me like you want the Prequels to explain Snoke too. Let's get another 3 Prequels going!

Ya it does need to be explained more, but I am guessing it is not the Sith teaching but another following of the Dark Side. Whatever that is I guess the Knights of Ren so maybe 3rd movie?

Zarina A113 I think Snoke is mysterious to keep audience to creating their own version's of origin story for him as a unknown older person or other character that was mention, but we didn't know (For explanation there were a theory's about him and one of them was that Snoke was actually a Palpatine master or other one that he is 1000's years old)

@@zinfuldreams1709 That's not what I'm saying, but whatever floats your boat.

@@micharosa6201 If he's Darth Plagus then fine, but he shows up like the Emperor, with a HUGE scar, huge Fore powers and if we don't know how he came to be then we can't be that scared.

If not down right radioactive

No it's salt

Can you blame them?

The Alt right Incels will be here soon. They are angry, and they HATE this movie.

Ben Lasher God your a fucking idiot with calling them that, only incel is people like you who call others that hate something, stuff like this.

RoronoaZoroUltimateBadass Are you aware of what an incel is?

@@TuckerBowChicka1 So you say that James Gunn was fired justifiably? Because those are exact same people here..

Yeah, it wasn't completely the actor's fault, they were doing their best at the characters they were given

@@lba_e_ross2152 Hating them for making something that you don't like is also wrong. It's alright not to like something but hating people for it is childish.

@@lba_e_ross2152 hate leads to suffering, friend

Nobody should ever have blamed the actors, they did the best they could with this terrible script.

Johannes Mäkilä You missed the point. It’s not that they made something fans didn’t like, it’s how they went about addressing it. There were absolutely some legitimate criticisms, such as writing and characterization. But the executives just brushed them aside and attacked the fans for even daring to have a differing opinion. Yes, some of them were indeed just whiny fanboys who don’t like change, but the executives pinning their failures on the fandom and then insulting them is equally childish. Now compare that to George Lucas. He made tons of things fans didn’t like, but he never once insulted them for their opinions. He at least noted their criticisms and did his best to address them. A perfect example is JarJar. He was originally written to have a larger involvement in the prequel trilogy. But fans hated him, so he cut down his role in episodes 2 and 3. Regardless of people’s opinion of him, at the very least he acted like a professional.

"I've just been informed that the Emperor has dissolved the last of the senate" - Grand Moff Tarkin just so people dont have to ask

@@dukoth6552 As well as a little later. "The emperor is coming!? We'll redouble our efforts!"

@@Eclypsia13 Well, close...except two movies later. The one mention in A New Hope is Tarkin's line about how he dissolved the senate and how the regional governors will keep order while fear of the Death Star will maintain it. Your line about redoubling their efforts comes from Return of the Jedi when Moff Jerjerrod is reporting to Darth Vader about the Death Star II's progress and his learning of the Emperor's imminent arrival.

Yeah I was thinking that as well, also if you have an empire then you have an emperor, even if he wasn’t mentioned in a new hope the thought of there being someone above Vader is still there.

*flashbacks to New Hope when Luke drank the same milk*

@@SalaciousB_Crumb no, not the same milk desert = blue milk ocean = green milk and I imagine(d) "moisture farming" means else than milking some farm animal like a peasant

I'm a defender of Last Jedi, but I can't abide that scene.

Real talk though, I seriously don’t get those people who complain about scenes like that, like Luke drinking green milk for five seconds somehow killed the franchise or something. Some SW fans can take any stupid insignificant scene, and treat it like its the next Holocaust.

@@lba_e_ross2152 Why does the color matter?

Well said.

Like when people scream about a "Real America" There is no such thing. It is all America.

@Darth Baby Vader nope. It completes his character arc. Yoda never wanted to train him because" he was always looking away, never focusing on what he was doing" and that lead to him seeing that Kylo would go bad so he thought about killing him. But that MADE him evil. If Luke ingnored his future vision powers of the force, he wouldn't have caused the New Order

TLJ is like horse diarrhea wrapped in the best gift paper ever. Great production values, god-awful content.

@CommandoDude Curb your nonsense. Everything aside from Hamill's acting with "Luke" was atrocious. The same guy who still saw good in an evil cyborg, who valued family and friends above all, is now tempted to kill his nephew because of some vague visions ? Yeah no, I call that contrived excuse and bullshit. Calling the Jedi a failure despite having protected the Republic for generations, just because he's too cowardly to admit his fault ? LMFAO sO MaStErFuL Don't make yourself more ridiculous while you still can.

star wars hardcore fanboys will come at your home and try to kill you

@@ac14cmpunk25 You mean which one? Prequel fanboys are so pathetic that they are strong only on Tumbler. Rest either love it or don't care..

I'd put myself down as a Star Wars fanboy who was soured on the franchise by this movie, but it's like NC said, there are a lot of good elements. It just doesn't come together to form anything I'd want to see again, and it left JJ in quite a bind where the next movie's plot is concerned. Like every plot thread he set up has now been severed. It's almost like Rian Johnson painted JJ into a corner as a cruel joke. Not a fan on the whole. But I'd be lying if I said there weren't any good parts to it. I liked the Luke/Rey/Kylo interactions.

​@@wolfieinu I liked Last Jedi more than Force Awakens because the latter was a lazy rehash of A New Hope. For better or worse, Johnson took Star Wars in a different direction and at least tried something new. Clearly, it did not pay off with the fans.

@@wolfieinu You do know that "fanboy" isn't positive term? It describe blind worship of something. But otherwise that is exactly what opinion is. People have right to not like it, but lying about its quality, trying clumsily prove it and then retreating in "opinion" shield is exactly what haters and fanboys do.

Disappointment implies something different then what i expected happen. I don't wish something different happened. It's as if nothing happened. It's as if they tried harder to subvert expectations than to make a good movie. The end result is a movie that is very subversive, but almost completely lacking in self substance, as well as respect for not only it's franchise, but it's prequel.

Lots and lots of nothingness 😏

@@ThrottleKitty "Subvert Expectations" basically its just an elegant way of saying that the plot of the movie is "Unpredictable". And from what I know about movies, is that being unpredictable and relying on using shock value and shock tactics alone to try and tell a story leaves it as a disjointed mess unless the movie is designed to be a standalone set in its own continuity, *NOT* as the middle of an ongoing Trilogy set in one of the largely-beloved movie franchises in +40 years.

I couldn't agree more. It's the same reason Walking Dead has gone to shit, some executive decided that empty shock value is more important than story because "gotta subvert then expectations!" And then wonder why the ratings for each season drops further than the last... That can work, as you said, in smaller stand-alone things. Not as a sudden dramatic change of pace mid story, when the story never originally intended such a change of pace. it's taking he easy way out instead of just writing a good story.

@@ThrottleKitty and the flaws become even more pronounced when everything else of the brand is underneath a level of criticism and controversy. Star Wars merchandise has been rotting on store shelves since _The Force Awakens_ came out into theaters; it was one of the contributing factors why Toys R Us went out of business. The Star Wars cartoons _Rebels_ was scrutinized for being too kid-friendly compared to the previously-cancelled _Clone Wars_ anthology series, and now _Resistance_ seems to be doubling down on that and thanks to what happened in " _The Last Straw_ " barely anybody is left wanting to watch it. Then we get to the Star Wars Games, who in their right mind would want to get into an *EXCLUSIVE CONTRACT WITH ELECTRONIC ARTS to make Star Wars Games?!* In the six years since recieving the rights to create Star Wars Games, we only got *_TWO_* from the two-time winner of "Worst Company in America" 2012-2013 years: EA Battlefront, a half-never completed Star Wars Game with only a handful of modes and maps. And EA Battlefront 2, the sequel game that doubled-down on using Micro-Transactions to pay for everything in the game; that said that spending 72-hours of straight up Game Time (time spent ONLY in Matches and not on loading or in the menu) to unlock Darth Vader to use in-game was supposed to promote a sense of "Pride and Accomplishment for unlocking different heroes" Cue the Reddit Downvotes, drop in EA Stock, and _GOVERNMENT INVESTIGATIONS_ into wether Lootboxes were considered Underage Gambling: giving Disney only a taste of the Fandoms displeasure that was only days away from truly seeing with Movie 8.

It was the opposite for me, but to each their own.

The film had a tad too much plot holes, imo.

@@uscman Name one plot hole.

@@kevindoris4241 why didn't Holdo just tell Poe her plans.

@@uscman That is an interesting question. Did she just not trust him? Was it anger at him disobeying Leia? I personally think she had two motives. 1 she wanted to assert dominance over Poe who is a hothead who had just proven he would disobey direct orders. I also think she was not sure her plan would work and did not want to many people to know until she was certain. Holdo is such an interesting character she is a big part of what really elevated the film to a masterpiece. She is placed in the lead in an almost impossible situation. An unknown both to the audience and to Poe. She is not trusted by Poe who was the hero of the last film thus making her not trusted by the audience. This leads to doubt over her decision and thinking Poe is right to take every action he does in the film. This makes her work as both a character and a source of conflict.

This would probably be hilarious if I'd watched Bojack Horseman.

@@snaketooth0943 trust me, it's hilarious

Fun thing...Rían Johnson had a cameo in Bojack Horseman

Don't act like yoooouuuu don't know

PLEASE!

You're right. But much of his development in this movie comes from him remembering this aspect of his character.

I mena Luke's only role models were Obi-wan, who abandoned his Jedi duty to the galaxy to live as a hermit, and Yoda, who abandoned his Jedi duty to the galaxy to live as a hermit, so I didn't see any issue with Luke abandoning his Jedi duty to the galaxy to live as a hermit. Luke suffered a huge loss. He was hte HERO who was set on bringing the Jedi Order back into the galaxy, and it was his personal failure, even fore but a moment of weakness, that led to the mass loss of life of his students, and the wiping out of the new generation of Jedi. It's on par with the massive defeats suffered by Yoda and Obi-wan. But that also comes from Luke's concept of hte force as a necessarily black and white, all or nothing doctrine. It makes sense that in the face of such a tragic, sweeping, and personal loss, that he would be done with the fight. And even more so, that lightsaber was the lightsaber of his father, not his. The last time he held it, he lost his arm to Darth Vader just before the big reveal. And even otherwise, the last time he held a lightsaber at all was when he nearly killed his own nephew, leading to the tragedy that spurred him into exile in the first place. OF course he doesnt want that to be handed to him. Aside from the burden of galaxy no longer being his to bear, that tool is a reminder of the things that went so very wrong. I love his reaction. I also love his ultimate solution in the end. I think both speak to who Luke is and how he's grown. Back in his training, he was hte first ti rush into conflict, headstrong and desperate to save people. In the end he was the last one to join the fight, wary of taking on the mantel he had been given as the savior of the galaxy. In the end, he stuck to his convictions, and was able to stand with everyone, without rushing in to a fight or becoming the sole jesus figure of hte galaxy all over again, becuase now the next generation has no choice but to take up the mantel adn to change.

I utterly hated the moment when Luke casually tossed the lightsaber aside. This would be the absolute LAST thing of his father's, Anikin. As someone who lost their father and only has a few mementos to truly remember him by I was at first shocked, then enraged that they would do this to a character who fought for the smallest glimmer of hope in his father's crushed soul. If nothing else Luke would wonder where it came from since the last time he held it was when he was dismembered. The movie lost me here and never got me back. Ruin isn't a SW fan and it shows.

@@Gozokukolat I mean it was also the same lightsaber that slaughtered countless Jedi children... and sand people children... And don't forget that he was still rather young and very naive back then, but has clearly grown jaded since, and has experienced extreme tragedy that could very well have hardened his heart. I think THAT makes him feel more real as a person. IT would be foolish to allow him to retain that youthful naivete after all this time, and with everything he's experienced.

@@@Luinta What tragedy has Luke experienced? How has Luke grown jaded? How would Luke even know about child slayings? None of these things are EVER explained in the movies. If the books you've read explain it that's fine, but the vast majority of people don't read them.

Same. Though I'm still leaning towards the negative

Yeah, I'm really 50/50 with this movie. While it looks impressive and some of the action scenes were fun to watch, I have kind of an issue regarding the story and characters.

I see were your going, and I'm not aganist you at all, have whatever opinion you want. But when Luke threw the saber over his shoulder, it slightly bordered me, I would have preferred him give that saver back to here over some visual gag. But if he turned on the saber or did something cool with it, it would have ruined Lukes character and would be so confusing. And honestly, I wasn't surprised at all. It makes since Luke is broken and would thow away the saber he created Kylo Ren. He is done with the Force. Honestly, that scene could have been better, but I didn't hate it.

@@Mark_Lunn Really what should have happened with that Lightsaber is Luke should've been incredibly surprised as to how that Lightsaber found its way back into his possession. The last time he saw that Lightsaber was when Vader cut off his hand in Cloud City and it fell into the abyss.

To be honest I thought that moment was kind of funny.

@@aidanredding8058 That's kind of the problem though, it shouldn't have been funny at all. It should have been a serious moment of shocking revelation that made people go "Wait, what?" and become invested in the backstory of why that happened, not slap a knee and be "Haha, that was a good one!"

The throwing over the shoulder part was so jarring it took me out of the whole movie, and I never came back in. However it’s like you said it was a Tonal thing. If he say dropped his arm and let the lightsaber fall from his hand, and we emphasize the weight of the light saber hitting the ground. (Symbolizing that it’s to heavy of a burden to bear) it would have made more sense. And would make you feel for him.

you don't tell me what to do, i'm an independent snowflake

Save for how much of a Sue Rey is, how Luke is a completely different person here compared to Jedi, and how Leia managed to Mary Poppins herself out of Zero G. Along with Vice Admiral Holdo’s complete inability to lead a fleet, the horrific explanation for the First Order’s rise to power, and Leia’s stupidity for never explaining the plan to Poe or anyone else save for Holdo. Do people seriously consider miss Purple Hair to be a good character? Because if that’s the case, I’d love to hear them try and argue it. But hey, at least he addressed the Snoke thing... that’s a start.

He also got certain things wrong.

Like he said. Luke adbandon everyone in the first movie. Why are people surpise he didn't want to be found. HE WENT INTO HIDING.

Blankemp He did get certain things wrong.

imaginepeace63 that’s because he is the senate

The original trilogy did the same thing as well. The real problem is that it what made up by the same man while these films were different people each time

andrewkful I'm trying to remember what happened last time Star Wars had a plan. Oh yeah. The prequels. And look at the reception those got. It doesn't matter if you have a plan, cause if it's a shit plan, it's not gonna help your franchise.

Geralt of Trivia except Star Wars didn’t exist before the OT so they could get away with making it up as they go along. The ST doesn’t have the advantage of getting away with making it up as they go along because Star Wars is already an established universe with rules in place. Just because the OT did it doesn’t mean the ST can do it too.

@Geralt of Trivia The Original Trilogy worked despite its drawbacks and any inconsistencies and retcons are just ignored because it was good. That doesnt mean it was a good plan and that it needs to be repeated. It has been shown that having an outline helps the story

@Geralt of Trivia The original trilogy didnt have a huge established franchise with rules to follow when it was released.

How? This movie is mess from the moment the crawl starts

@@matthewlugo2417 I liked Last Jedi more than Force Awakens because the latter was a lazy rehash of A New Hope. For better or worse, Johnson took Star Wars in a different direction and at least tried something new. Clearly, it did not pay off with the fans.

@@rckblzr amazing, everything you said was wrong" you do realize that the last jedi is just a rip off of empire strikes back right? Or were you not paying attention, also the reason the first movie was similar to new hope was because it was trying to get back that original nostalgia while also adding in new characters and honestly i would have prefer if han Leia and luke were dead and tfa took place years later or decades idc as long as the characters are good but in the last jedi luke, leia and snoke are completely disrespected and not at all important to the plot

Gabriel Arredondo wow that’s a really good way to put it

Translation: There's so many plot holes it resembles a Michigan road.

To be fair, Doug isn't completely wrong; there were some good parts and interesting elements to the movie that, in the hands of a much better director, producer and editor, could have come together to make a really good movie. The problem - and most frustrating part - is all those disparate elements never came together to make an interesting story, they were just a set of puzzle pieces that some incompetent idiot shoved together incorrectly so instead of a coherent picture, it became a mess of mishmashed, disjointed parts of a picture that didn't make sense together.

The only good thing about it are the visuals, aside from that everything else is objectively utter trash.

@@ItsAnIsaac Oh spare me this nonsense, there are literally dozens and dozens of videos online explaining in great detail why this movie is utter crap.

SW Fanbase: There are many plotholes and bad writing that contradict the series. TLJ White Knights: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

tapests I thought the same about it honestly. It wasn’t the best Star Wars movie but there were good parts and the good parts were with those characters. I liked Luke’s transformation Rey’s journey and Kylo’s struggles. These characters made the movie for me honestly. And Yoda was awesome

I wouldn’t call TLJ fans part of humanity more like aliens trying to pretend to know what film taste is

I know, it's like they were trying to insult and push away the fans. They're trying to make PC movies for a new generation, and the fans who made the franchise what it now is mean little to them.

He did the same thing with the Ghostbusters remake, pretending like the fan backlash and outrage came out of nowhere. Doug seems to intentionally ignore the drama surrounding controversial movies in order to paint the fans as toxic, rabid fanboys and never mentions how the studios go out of their way to slight, insult, mock and alienate the fans. As with GB2016, TLJ could have been just a mediocre movie with a lukewarm reception, but the blatant open and unapologetic attacks on the fanbase are what pushed the general opinions from "meh" to "I hate this". Don't get me wrong, I long for the days when a movie stood or fell on its own merits and things like Twitter, Facebook and other social media didn't tell us what and how to think or influence and control our daily lives so much, but that is the world we live in and those influences have to be accounted for when talking about why something as innocuous and inconsequential as a movie succeeding or failing.

@@Dargonhuman To be fair, though, my wife is from Vietnam, and she liked the newer Ghostbusters better. She felt that the original was boring, and the dry humor fell flat on her. The newer one is more colorful with more interesting action scenes and not-too-subtle humor. It's the younger generation; they've been spoiled by our fast-paced internet world and need the entertainment to match.

@@mstrainjr I'm not saying people can't like the movie, taste is subjective after all and GB2016 isn't the worst movie I've ever seen so if someone likes it for what it is, more power to them. I'm just saying the drama surrounding it influenced the opinions of a lot of people and turned a lot of people who were on the fence against it.

Can someone tell me what terriblel things lucasfilm has done? and i dont mean like Kathleen kenedy wore a "force is female" shirt. what did they say in response to the criticism that made you angry?

They wasted Finn completely. He was my favorite part of 7 and it's absent here. I loved the shit out of Rey's arc and her renunion with Finn. So I like it less than TFA. But I do like it.

@@williswareinc An obvious troll considering I agreed with OP.

We seem to share the same opinion

Awesome

Michael Hewitt-Clarke Dude...I like The Last Airbender, the characters in that fight were way better defined. It would be a whole lot worse. I can I think forgive whatever “throes” or “throws” or...whatever it is when wait to attack because honestly, you can’t have his well-shot a fight without it.

Maybe Mark Hamill isn't a soft male and doesn't care that women can be more powerful than him. She flew ships, (she just didn't want to leave the planet) she spent her whole life working with them stealing parts to sell just to eat, and she used a staff in fighting on a harsh planet trying to kill her, since she was a child, alone. Luke lived a sheltered teen-ager life of going to Toshi Station in his familys car and hanging out with his friends, while being taken care of by his Uncle and Aunt, flying a family ship shooting at animals that couldn't defend themselves away from the Empire so much that he thought about joining them to learn to pilot ships until his friend Biggs told him he left and joined the Rebellion Tell me again how Rey had an easy time?

Damn fucking straight Mr Sandman.

@@BLasherman She didn't have to do any of the fucking training that Luke did yet somehow was more powerful then him, even when he was old and learned to use the force for years. Also maybe try to actually show more how Rey got these skills rather then just shove a rushed explanation?

and the excuse I always get is "Well, it was a fleeting moment." No, Luke wouldn't have even gotten that far.

@@voicemonkey3886 i know. look was anakin did. he killed so many people, did so many horrible things and luke believed until the end that there is still good left in him. and because of a vision he wants to kill ben?? even though he did not do anything wrong at the moment? it is just bad screenplay writing

true. amen to that

Agreed. It completely defeats the character ark he went through in the original trilogy and means he basically learnt nothing.

@@voicemonkey3886 But Luke also says that is was, "Out of pure instinct". the same instinct that led him to go apeshit on Vader in ROTJ. In fact, the perceived threat posed by Kylo bears an uncanny resemblance to the taunt made by Vader: Threatening the ones he loves. Luke, for the briefest moment, once again succumbed to the dark side to protect his loved ones from, ironically enough, the dark side, and it cost him dearly. Just my 2 cents

I will admit that Snoke's power was intimidating, yet the lack of knowledge provided about him makes him forgettable.

What if Kylo Ren is really the protagonist?

@Gren Wren ... layered ... vi..villain? ... sorry, laughing too hard ... Kylo Ren is a little bitch, he's forgettable and just a whiny snot kid who throws temper tantrums. Not once in this trilogy so far have I found Kylo in any way interesting, powerful or scary in any way. He's the palest of Darth Vaders, only devoid of anything that made Darth so menacing.

He could have destroyed Ren with a flick of his wrist... and then he died like a punk. Being powerful doesn't make you invincible, nor does it make you a good character. I absolutely hated Kylo Ren for the majority of two movies. Now I am stoked to see him be the villain because I saw a whiny baby being puppeted by someone finally step up and do something about it. I'm so excited to see what happens to Ren because he is a new character who is growing.

Has it occurred to anyone that Ren can get stronger over time, and having the villain being the one desperate to becoming more powerful is as interesting a dynamic as the over-done "Hero trains to become stronger" thing?

He was tempted by the Dark side and was in the presence of someone who was heavily-leaning towards the Dark side. Remember when he almost killed Vader after the latter's threat to Leia? Also, he didn't go through with it before the Dark side consumed him, but that one temptation resulted in the destruction of his entire plan for the Jedi and the loss of his own nephew.

No, he isn't your Luke. For Luke Skywalker its been twenty years, thats a lot of time for people change or fall back on old habits, people don't just stay one way forever. Luke could bring back Vader because he was not responsible for Vader's creation. In Ben he saw a new Vader, or worse, would he let the entirely galaxy suffer all that again. It's like being in the room with a child hitler. Would you kill that child if you knew he'd grow up and be responsible for millions of deaths? Luke was tempted, but ulitamtely he refused and was ashamed that he could even consider it. For me that speaks to his character a lot. At least thats what I got from it.

@@snowy2583 Exactly.

@@isaacgleeth3609 Exactly.

@@snowy2583 Time alone doesn't make someone lose hope. If something happened that would make Luke so afraid of losing Kylo Ren to the dark side he'd even briefly consider killing someone in their sleep, it needs to be shown. Instead we're told that Luke completely forgot how killing Vader was his temptation from the dark side and ruined everything by getting way too close to murdering his own nephew. Doesn't matter how many times you comment on the passage of time, nothing in the narrative explains such a drastic change in character.

Give this man a shield

Don't forget John Williams' score. That was great, too. John Williams is always a win. Even the one track he did for Solo was the best track in the movie.

The force has always been soft magic

@@donovandelozier7156 that's how I always interpreted it

The acting wasnt great, compare lukes elevator darth " I sense" scene, with rays - kilo scene ( with practically the same line) ray practically throws the lines away, which is worse because she has a " bond with kilo " which you would imagine would empassion her more to " save him"....but If you can be bothered check out the two version.

Yeah...If I had to pick my Star wars favorite films made by Disney, I would go with, in order: 1)Rouge One 2)Force Awakens 3)The last Jedi

@@manuelalbertoromero9528 I'd have it: 1. Force Awakens. 2. Last Jedi. 3. Rogue One. Rogue One was mind-numbingly boring.

1. The Force Awakens 2. Rogue One 3. Solo 4. The Last Jedi

@@mgk2020 Really? Huh. To each their own I guess.

Rogue One Solo TFA TLJ

I actually felt like all the character arcs were serviceable, just that the plots weren’t intertwined well enough. I imagine that the more character-centric nature of this film is what endeared it to film critics, especially given how rare that is for a big blockbuster movie. I think I know the primary audience these new Star Wars movies are primarily aimed at and, well, it’s kind of depressing.

@@LinkMarioSamus I mean...they were intertwined a lot better than they could have been. Heck, it wasn't half the casino scene and half the interesting stuff...it was still half the less interesting chase (with the exception of that pretty-cool lightspeed shot) and half the interesting stuff, but could have been a lot worse!! It was actually pretty good, and it doesn't deserve the hate that it got. Actually to give it credit, this may te only franchise in history where I feel like I actually avoid the people that disagree with me the most, especially on people going on about how Disney is removing the prequels so it's bad....even though we complained that much about the first place, and they gave us most of everything we asked for on that part, so why are we complaining?! I don't like the feeling of that, but that's actually kinda impressive. It also kinda reminds me why I don't like how people describe the reasoning of Luke turning dark was a bad move. They say it's because he's a symbol of something or whatever. Normally that sounds great, but then they're the ones that are dehumanizing that character!! I don't care what symbol he represents for fighting the dark, he still could possibly go through this!! Anakin was a frickin' killer ('cause people like the prequels apparently now, I don't think I have to say "Unless you like the prequels and don't consider them non-canon" **gosh, stop saying that that opinion isn't the minority cause you guys never aligned yourselves with the majority unless you looked online!! And from people who you could take an answer seriously, because most of those negative criticisms still to this day feel like troll comments or have franchise context that feels like it isn't really fair to the movie!!!**), and so why wouldn't Luke feel that urge at least sometimes, especially when this kind of evil feels this horrible??

The FirstBourne I feel like the sheer vitriol this movie has gotten is very misplaced even if many of the criticisms are sound. My biggest problem with this movie and the sequel trilogy as a whole is that the evil faction is so nebulously defined it's hard to really get invested.

gamefan6219 even a year later I STILL DONT GET THAT SCENE!!

*BEN SWOLO*

Sequel meme squad reporting for duty.

Gotta give the female audience and Girls fans something to look at.

The space horses and crystal foxes were CGI. At least try and recognise what's practical effects and what's not. Hell they did make realistic puppets of the foxes but then completely CGI'd over them so what was the point?

I guess it was just the build up effect. The forced unleashed was seen in a way better light then this movie but still had apparent issues that could have been fixed in the sequel. They weren't fixed and even created more issues with Both the character Ray and Luke. They butchered the characters and just ended up destroying any hope people had for the next entry in the franchise, as fans had no faith in Disney's ability to release a competent Star Wars sequel.

Part of the reason why the hate is quite overwhelming is because of how idiots at Lucasfilms treated fans who criticized the film, making the hate grow and grow, never to let settle down, only adding fuel to the growing fire of hatred.

The thing is, they absolutely ruined what the previous movie set up. Subverting expectations only works when it's vaguely hinted at, not deliberately drawn attention to. Then they got all the old characters horribly wrong... Even Mark Hamill hates the movie and what it did to Luke. Rey is powerful for the sake of it. None of her powers earned. Even the OP Akakin Skywalker trained for 10 years before episode 2. Luke wasn't competent with the force or even a lightsaber until episode 6. Yet Rey was showing them up in just her first movie. And it's wondered why this is so insulting. Sure, Obi-Wan beat Maul in episode 1, but any sane person knows that was a fluke, and even he had far more training than Rey

@@TheDerek14 Neh. Star Wars always were just a high budget space opera. Take a note that most real flaws were mentioned by people who like it. Most haters are to dumb to spam word "shit" or in rare cases praise superiority of Prequels. Also real fans would lough from claims that Rai and Luke are butchered.. seriously.. Luke was a Sith! He even has a red kyber in the movie. He at that point was broken man after all what happen in EU. And fact that New Trilogy reference KotOR, and not like idiots claim New Hope is enough spoiler regard Ray'van ;D

@@TuckerBowChicka1 It has literally nothing to do with that. Whole hate was instigated by neo-Nazis what also manipulated Disney into firing James Gunn. Same thing goes regard bullshit about people taking seriously "SJW" L3-37 from Solo. Those transparently aren't fans, but a teenage bandwagoners and Prequel fanboys trying prove that they favorite was better. Thing is that whole Tumbler drama transparently go beside what people talk about it in real life.

Same I left that theater feeling like a disappointed father

Old but maybe it's because instead of seen the fan fics of fans we were forced to see rían Johnson fan fic After all he said that every star wars fan has a list of things they wanna see and he said he is a star wars fan so rain got to check off the things he wanted to see .

@@El-Silver two years later, i have to concede you're right

your adding to the problem XD

@@jacobjett8227 Oh right... that's ironic.

My little green friend?

@@theatomiclemon1 Alas the Jedi are no more.

@@blugrave4345 It's time for the Jedi to end?

Nah.

The only two Star Wars movies that are mostly balanced are Revenge Of The Sith and Empire Strikes Back.