Clone Wars 2003: “Am I a joke to you?”

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what aboute 2003 that was great to

The best thing that most Star Wars fans that usually recommend

@@owenbaker2.084 he probably didn’t review or many people don’t talk about it I assume

Yep

If that isn't S tier voice work up there with Mel Blanc and Frank Welker, I don't know what is.

He's one of the best. Between this, Olmec, Klaus Heisler, Perry the Platypus, etc. he has done so many iconic roles.

The dude did almost every alien in Ben 10 Alien Force and Ultimate Alien. Even if they weren’t great series I have to give the guy props for basically carrying all that weight

He deserved an Emmy BIG TIME! I am pissed he was completely snubbed.

Anakin was always a great character. Heck, I'd argue he was better in the prequels, if only because of George Lucas's directing.

Count Dooku's combat skill

@@cy9884 What? Lucas is a terrible director. He is great at ideas but he is not a good writer or director.

@@jakubgodyn7413 Gorge is not a terrible director have you even seen any previous movies like 1138 and American Graffiti?

@@jakubgodyn7413 As someone who's seen everything George wrote and directed, I can say this statement is terribly inaccurate.

I've always described the prequels as a beautiful, well meaning, mess. The designs are great, there is a real attempt to tell an epic story of the rise of tyrants and the fall of heroes, but even I can admit that it fell a little flat in the execution; particularly in the writing and acting department. Does it have flaws? Yes (show me a movie that doesn't). But is it as bad as everyone says? For me, no, and I still love them as part of the saga.

I always believed George Lucas has a lot of great ideas but he needs people around him to help with the execution on those ideas cause my biggest problem with the prequels for as much as I never hated them was that Lucas on occasion was focusing on certain Elements in the prequels that should’ve been downplayed and the parts he downplayed should’ve been given more focus but the show really fills in those gaps so it all evens out

@@artsman412 true. a true can love something while pointing out the flaws. the prequels were good, especially when you look at the smaller details and you can see the bits of brilliant storytelling that lucas told or tried to tell. CW just made the prequels better because they were able to tell the stories they couldn't tell in a movie and expand upon the characters that really needed them. i wouldn't go so far as to say CW "fixed" the PT but simply it fleshed it out.

We need sequel era show now to fix sequels

@@Kazzzzzzzzzzzrz I don't think that will work. The prequels had a good story, but it was bogged down with poor writing and acting, so a show that had better writing and acting helped get the story across. The sequels have good acting (even I can admit that), but the story is crap. There's no fixing that, even with a show.

You’re having fun with this aren’t you lol

dont you mean second day?

Ha!

I see you’re doing the same thing you did last year

I’m so glad to see you back to doing this!

The Umbara arc comes close 2nd imo

that arc is absolutely EPIC! I also liked the Mortis Arc

@Super Chaloongis Kinda?

@Super Chaloongis What? No, I meant you partially agree with my statement, I want to know your reasoning.

@@syndrax8554 Well, that is Legends, and even then, it was a retcon (by Denning) When they started writing those books, they barely knew who Abeloth was, in terms of origins. Still, it mostly worked.

Read episode 3 novel if you want to see how fixing the prequels could work I still believe OT cannot even begin to compare with ep 3 novel because it seems way too inferior to it.

I was eight when this stuff came out and this taught me a lot of different political ideas like what does it mean to be a pacifist

@Super Chaloongis How did he fall for it though?

@Super Chaloongis no I meant what made you think he fell for it. I agree red letter media's brainwash is bad but what made you think he doesn't like the prequels.

@Super Chaloongis I am sorry but the prequels have problems and are not perfect. I do think that people over exaggerate those problems and that at worst are mediocre movies but clone did expand on many thins especially other jedi and the clones which makes you care about them when in the movies they meant nothing I know the focus was on anakin's fall but they try to enhance his character even more here to be even better as for me I think plageuis and the rots novel did a pretty good job as well to make those stories even better so instead of fixing, enhancing would be a better word.

I'm going to be honest, I find this era to be more intersting than the Empire era, at least conceptually. We get to see all the cogs of the galaxy turning instead of just seeing the Empire being evil and oppresive. This era feels much more like a galaxy than the original trilogy's time.

Prequels already were the most interesting time periods in Star Wars. Empire Vs Rebels is rather boring by comparison.

@@matiasluukkanen7718 Empire vs. Rebels isn't more boring, just less complicated. Now, if only someone would make a series or movies set in the Kotor Era, when there were more than two Sith Lords and some of the freaky powers they have threatened to wreck the galaxy.

@@matiasluukkanen7718 Sithin kosto on toisiks paras Imperiumin vastaiskun jälkeen. Star Wars-legot ja lelut oli lapsuus!

@@matiasluukkanen7718 I feel like the Sequels ruined the OT

Seige of Mandalore/Order 66 arc and Yoda arc were also excellent. Arguably the 2 best arcs

The Yoda Arc about discovering his own power and immortality really works well with later movies where we see Yoda after death like the Last Jedi.

Never really liked the clone wars maul, Sam came across whiney like haven't christianson did with anikin to me. The more beaten down version in rebels seemed to have a better voice.

I'd actually recommend checking out The Amazing World of Gumball. The animation is trippy as Hell and takes some getting use to, but, as hard as it is to believe, it's actually a really smart show. Craig of the Creek is good too; it's like Codename:KND, but more down to Earth and realistic.

@@catdogmousecheese I loved Gumball. Can't wait for the movie. Craig of the Creek looks good. I'll try to check it out.

Samurai Jack. But that's Genndy's handiwork. Hell, Genndy even influenced the Clone Wars by getting the first crack at it AND there are a few subtle references to his version.

I mean cartoon network used to show pretty much uncensored animes like DBZ, Yu Yu Hakusho and Gundam

Cartoon network used to show adult rated animations. When I was younger after 10 there was adult anime hours.

Not to mention the massive five-part Geonosis arc that features everything good about the show. Sometimes I get the feeling that people forget that some of the good arcs were in fact in seasons 1 and 2.

@@mikeblatzheim2797 how the bleep did I forget about that?! I’d love to see a remaster of Landing At Point Rain!

@@lifevest1 People thought the voice acting for Ahsoka and Anakin was pretty bad in the first season. They do get better afterwards.

I really like season 2. It's the most consistent season out of all of them. A lot of the other ones get really good by the end

Cant forget ep 1. Got me hooked.

Show the flaws of the Jedi And yet people bash TLJ for doing that as well. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

I know you're kinda right about Jar Jar there, but... They still made him SOOOO annoying. More annoying than in the films. It's actually amazing.

@@chasehedges6775 Maybe because TLJ was a bad movie. They think they're being clever but haven't even hit George Lucas's level. TLJ subverted expectations but Clone Wars exceeded them. Seriously, if you really think it's a contradiction by the fans then maybe it's on you for not understanding; the basic understanding of what Clone Wars did to be loved and what TLJ did to be hated. If you love TLJ, cool. But without the basic understanding it's just blind love.

Difference is TLJ TOLD us they were flawed, but maintained the status quo by the end with Rey becoming a generic Jedi, in clone wars ahsoka was a victim of the jedis flaws and was cast out, her famous line is “I’m no Jedi”. TLJ is not nearly as bold and risk taking as people give it credit for

@@chasehedges6775 that is not why people bash TLJ. They bash it because of: -Dumb side plot with finn and rose -No development for the characters -Luke abandoning Leia and the resistance, giving up on kylo just because he had a bad dream -rey being the most boring protagonist who doesn't earn anything -stupid purple hair lady -stupid hyperspace scene that ruins the tension whenever there's a space battle -underdeveloped characters that make decisions that make no sense just to do a twist -killing luke -no worldbuilding -and a bunch of others

Also enjoyed that brief reference to Shaak-Ti protecting Palpatine during the battle of Coruscant. Felt a subtle Tartakovsky cartoon homage since everything with Anakin, Obi-Wan and Ahsoka nullified a major arc of that show.

The only downside is that I wanted to see Grievous capturing Palps scene again. Though Tarkovsky's version is in itself a masterpiece, but I'd still want to see a different take.

@@DarthBiomech tnf geogres original idea was that the two series were both canon- well, the events of the original not their direct portrayl due to stylization But anyway so he said they werent going to cover the same ground since it was still supposed to be canon

Especially the clone wars (2003) series. The Jedi there are basically super heroes

I remember that!

@@14mespider9 I was hoping it would trigger some memories lol

For some reason I always heard it as “juvenile force”. Probably my young ears. Though honestly, I was more interested in The Secret Saturdays than the Clone Wars when that lineup was going on.

We didn't start the fi- wait, what are we doing?

I remember this and the "it's called TDI it's our biggest hit, like a snow day everybodys loving it"

It's especially fun to watch with someone who hasn't seen the series before. Even if it's indirectly from online vlogs/reaction series They're some of the most fun star wars conversations that I listen to.

But... That (claps) doesn't (claps) make (claps) the (claps) prequels (claps) GOOD!

@@samfilmkid Good by themselves, no. Good with context from this series, yes. The Prequels in general are entertaining, but not well made.

@@samfilmkid But… Shut (claps) the (claps) fuck (claps) up (claps), you clown Despite “prequels bad” reee been an absolute dogshit/unpopular opinion these days. (& even if it wasn’t) You still lose all credibility when you do the obnoxious clapping bullshit because you have no good argument to try & sway people

If you haven't, watch Rebels. There are two Clone Wars relationships wrapping up in there that are worth it imo

That was Savage, Maul was still stuck with his single bladed saber at that point.

@@mattj2081 Oh yeah, regardless, I saw at least 6 or so guys slump to the floor dead with wisps of smoke coming from their now headless necks were on “KIDS” show. They got away with a LOT.

And that was pretty late. Remember the first geonosis arc in the show i season 1 or 2 if I remeber correctly? They had Clone troopers use flamethrowers to literally burned geonisians alive on screen, in a kids show! And they literally talked about sending the teenage padawans on basically a suicide mission, while ordering their clone troops to walk head first into death as a diversion, and showed that too. Also, all of those were technically war crimes by real world laws, on top of the other 30 or so times the show depicted the HEROES of the show commiting war crimes of various ilks, plus assasinations, kidnapping, child endangerment, piracy and various other actions. Don't get me wrong, clone wars is an amazing show, and IMO perfectly fine for early teens to watch. I am just dumbfounded how they got that into US kids television.

@@MrSpartan993 And when they're infiltrating the Citadel and the one trooper gets cut in half!

Or when Krell picks up that clone and literally snaps his back

Agreed

Agreed

Clone Wars, Rebels and Mandalorian is some of the best Star Wars content we have. And I love it

Clone Wars, Rebels and Mandalorian is some of the best Star Wars content we have. And I love it!

This is the way!

Revenge of The Sith is the best.

Second favourite after the memes

Love the prequels but clone wars is gold.

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It’s the only good thing in that entire era.

There is Transformers Prime. Well, imo anyway. :)

does arcane count as "tv cartoons"?

The CG of Riders of Berk got pretty good in it's Netflix seasons. Unfortunately the writing remainded just passable. Trollhunter also on Netflix also looked pretty good.

@@TslilTapiro Well not really, it’s a straight to stream show. They usually have higher budgets then most TV shows.

Arcane is probably the most recent example of this style of 3D animation that resembles handpainted 3D models. And it even incorporates a lot of cool 2D effect similar to Into The Spider-verse. Not to mention the story is very compelling.

However, the show wasn't profitable. In fact, with every episode made they were losing more and more money, because it was so expensive to make. Yet it was still made, purely out of passion.

There is also an important destinction for the show: The clone wars made a loss every season, but George Lucas/the whole Lucasfilms complex made a massive profit of every season. For one thing Lucas has shown in various interviews that he learned the value of long term profits a good while ago, and he was in for the long run. The show made a loss as it initialy aired, but it has been constantly bringing in money ever since. Heck, it is still some of the most wacthed content on disney plus currently, so a significant chunck of it's monthly revenue/profit is profit clone wars makes. For another Star wars is one of the oldest entertainment properties that really embraced the 'franchise' setup. Over the years clone wars sold truckloads of merchandise, books, derivative video games and so on, which probably brought in more profit by now than the show cost to produce on it's own without even considering the broadcasting/streaming income. On top of that it kept star wars alive and fresh for people for a good while, which made it effectively also marketing for the movies, merchandising, books and other stuff in the star wars universe, bringing in a lot of profits from that as well. I coudln't find concrete numbers, but I'd bet a full analysis (if enought of the relevant data was collected through the years to analyse properly) would show that Clone Wars has made Lucasfilms the cost back probably at least 5-10 times as a VERY conservative estimate.

@Dragorath Tatsu It's expensive as hell for children's television animation, and cheap as hell if you compare it to the blockbuster action franchises it's somehow competing with, and surpassing.

He probably felt that way because of the art style and character designs. But that’s simply how things had to look back then to render on time for a television deadline. The render time would be through the roof if say they added actual hair and more complex cloth sims (which exists in later seasons).

@@zazi5305 You gotta give it to Lucas. He put his all into projects. I gotta give the man respect for funding Clone Wars. The animation, lighting and everything gets better as the show goes on.

I’d put Order 66 Mandalore, Umbara and Wronged Jedi at the top spots.

I second this

Yeah, the top 11 arcs makes sense; top 11 episodes does not. I'm looking at you WatchMojo where the majority of the video was episodes from the same two arcs I'd say Mandalore, Umbara, and the Wronged Jedi like Ben Wasserman said of course, you'd be insane not to, but I'd throw in Mortis, Fives, Geonosis, and Nightsisters/Maul And for the worst arcs, because you know he'd need to make one for that, the droid arcs from seasons 1 and 5, the Blue Shadow Virus, and the Nute Gunray arc in season 1. I think on their own, there's nothing really wrong with these, I actually enjoy a fair bit from them (with the exception of that Frog Colonel), they're just not that strong compared to everything else. Outside of these, the only ones I can think of that are "bad" are standalone episodes rather than arcs.

I would love Doug to do this

Top 5 for me: both darth maul mandalore arcs, fives arc, ahsoka framed, and 1st nightsisters arc

Absolutely 💯

HANDS DOWN

Nah calm down

No doubt right up there with avatar and samurai jack

Definitely

I watched it day one

I watched it day one

@@jarrodedson5441 So did other people you're not special I watched it day one and hated it back then. and I even hated ahsoka back then too. But I was a psychotic lil star wars fanboy back then. nowadays... eh

Closest we’ve gotten was a brief scene from the Lego Holiday Special. They had Rey and Vader literally fall in on the Mustafar battle and even got Anakin and Obi-Wan’s Clone Wars actors to record the lines. It’s pretty cool.

For the show to come home.

I actually thought that Echo was more like Jennika. They both started out as "Regs" (regular clone/regular human), but went through something traumatic that changed them forever, and became a part of a new family. Omega is definitely like Lita.

fight me! *is armed with superior Grievous and Dooku from original canon, Republic Commando novels and Dark Horse Clone Wars comics*

@@Cyro_2235 The Umbara Arc. Your arguments are invalid.

@@annieandelsieofarendelle3294 *blocks umbara, strikes back with Jabiim* you just lost! Umbara made no sense. Especially because Pong Krell turned against the republic and his clones for the STUPIDEST reason! because he wants to join Dooku...somehow? why?

@@annieandelsieofarendelle3294 Umbara is just yet another "seps are here, lets land there and blast them all" story, when Jabiim for the first time showed the dark side of the republic, with them requiring ressources just as much as the seps. while TCW is always just "evil" seps against "ultra-lightside-republic".

Maul and Palps are laughing at you

That's the brilliance of Palpatine's plan though. He manipulates the jedi into conquering the galaxy for him under the guise of defending the republic from tyrannical separatist leaders. We saw the good guys win a lot, but it was all part of his plan to usher in the empire. So in the end they didn't win at all.

@@JessAnderson1988 In my kid eyes, they were the good guys.

@@coachlombardi9657 oh I'm sure. That's what's great about it: you think they're the good guys and then you find out how bad the whole situation actually was

I even remembered back when the show came out. That the Clones having personalities was considered a bad thing.

I remember that episode

the PT isn't perfect. hell, the OT isn't perfect. but that's where the true fans come in. a true fan can love something, even knowing it ain't perfect. we know the PT is flawed but we can see what lucas was doing. i doubt people realize that lucas probably took real life inspiration for the fall of the republic from the real fall of the roman republic and how one man used a crisis to give himself absolute power and turn a republic into a empire with little resistence. as a history buff, i swear lucas was inspired by that.

What you've said can be applied to the sequels as well.

They even had him voice Maul in the Han Solo Story

I love Star Wars Rebels! It’s one of my favorite shows.

Why? From what I understand, many kids were introduced to Star Wars through this show.

@@bethanyjohnson8001 Not really, most people were introduced to star wars through the movies

Kinda have to agree that gendy tartakovsky made grievous much better.

@@aaronfield7899 He also made grievous A LOT more terrifying...and deadly.

@@L337M4573RK I know I mean that's exactly what I was saying

@@aaronfield7899 Got it. Sorry for the inconvenience.

It’s better than Phantom Menace, but not as good as Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith.

It’s better than Phantom Menace, but not as good as Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith.