So, something Starfleet officers do seems to be sloppy and uncharacteristic of competent, military personnel. Weird.

All it takes to make any ship a Maquis Raider is a minor refit.

Calling them "maquis raiders" makes 100% sense to me. It's not like they're calling them the "Maquis raider class". The "maquis raider" description is just a description for a handful of ships (not seen on screen) that perform fairly similarly, and is not a class name. Calling them by that shorthand isn't sloppy at all. It's just far more convenient to call them that, rather than go through a whole range of model numbers etc to identify exactly what make, model, variation and year a raider is. You just don't need to know that, because they all perform more or less similarly and are hardly a major threat to most starships. If anything, it's more sensible to call them by the short hand as it just saves time, something which you'd be short of if you had to face a group of them.

FYI a Toyota hilux is a toyata hilux. Stick a weapon in the back and it’s called a technical.repurposed vehicles take on a new name.

Wait, didnt the Maquis steal a shipment of industrial replicators in DS9? So maybe they CAN produce their own ships after that?

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I will admit, when I was a teenager and Voyager came out it confused the hell out of me that a little Maquis ship that was shown in TNG and DS9 to have only a 2 man cockpit suddenly had dozens of people on it.

Here's a thought. 'Maquis raider' could be a description rather than a class, in the same way there was no standard 17th century pirate ship but a lookout might shout 'pirate ship' just so everyone's on the same page knowing they can do all that crap with counting the masts and arguing over the style of rigging to determine if it's a barque or a schooner or what later on. A similar thing would apply with Maquis ships that aren't necessarily armed and equipped per their original designers' specs but are positively identified as being currently Maquis owned and used for guerrilla operations. Which isn't to say that ST continuity started getting pretty sloppy around the time the Maquis were written in, because it did. But even if writers had been given a show bible and thrashed with barbed wire every time they contradicted it there might still have been a loosely defined ship referred to generally as a Maquis raider.

I would have thought that they would have just “Kit Massed” marquees fighter and raiders so that they would all look like that where welded together from starfleet surplus yards

I assume that they are civilian ships. Maybe couriers or militia fighters. Maybe they were supposed to be colony defense ships, to protect against pirates, like the orion. So, that could explain how they got them so easily!

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calling the ships "maquis raiders" does make some sense. IRL the US military refers to up-gunned pickups, suvs, cars etc as Technicals. There is great variation in these vehicles, as the only criteria is a formerly civilian vehicle that has had weapons bolted onto it., not much different from the maquis raiders in concept. While not being a class of military vehicle per say, its much easier to report 20 techinicals, than trying to figure out make and model which is non essential information anyways. Starfleet referring to the myriad of up-gunned civilian ships under a catchall term makes sense, as the ships have been modified past the original design and class to make referring to the class not as useful either. Not being nitpicky btw, totally agree that these ships have serious inconsistencies even when they are supposed to be the same model.

I’m surprised you didn’t touch on the use of the Maquis fighter model as the Federation fighter during the Dominion War.

Put a phaser on a cargo transport and you can call it a maquis raider.

I'm wondering why didn't they have the Maquis just use older types of federation ships? It'd be pretty telling if they got mothballed NXs, Mirandas, or other older federation ships. There'd be no way they could get the modern ships, they don't have the resources for such endeavors (except in the episode where Tom Riker takes the Defiant for a joy ride), however it would mean that they were an actual threat to the stability of Federation/Cardassian relations, rather than the nuisances they came off as.

As I saw it, 100% visually, there were three types of Maquis ships. The Peregrine, seen in DS9's "The Maquis", which looked to be the size of a Runabout. The "Raider" type, seen in TNG's "Preemptive Strike", which seemed to be the size of the Peregrine and had a smaller cockpit like construct on the top. Finally, the "Raider" type in VOY's "Caretaker", which had a new, larger cockpit and had a full crew aboard. Factor in the dialogue, however, and it all goes south....

I guess the Federation forgot what the Cardassians did to Bajor during the occupation. Who wouldn't fight back against them. I'm surprised that a Starfleet captain didn't turn off their ship's transponder and use the ship for the Maquis.

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The Maquis, are, by all intents and purposes... Pirates. Hence the writers may have used information from the Amarillo Design Bureau for a jumping off point. We know this has occurred before. In the old Star Fleet Battles game, the Orion Pirates were their own individual faction, and used weapons lay-outs as you describe here... Whatever they could find, even to include Cloaking Devices in some cases.

I was always under the assumption that the Maquis got their hands on industrial replicators from local colonies or from the Bajorans. Their Peregrines weren't powerful or numerous enough to deal with the new Galore class. So they replicated scaled up versions of the Peregrine parts, and essentially assembled a bigger, heavier, better Peregrine, and called it the Raider, since they used it to... raid. And since Federation never used heavy fighters and had warships already, they never cared to field this design (even though they should have, given how they suffered in the Dominion War).

Re equipping ships. The Maquis were buying arms, in Ds9's The maquis. Now goodness knows where they got, the latinum but, if they could pay for it, I'd imagine nausican's or bajorans or Ferengi might have done the upgrades. Beyond that, I was confused with Voyager for a while, that there were so many Maquis, I thought at first, it was literally only Tuvok, Chakotay and Torres, on the raider.

Hey, you have to respect the Sombrero of Kahless! Sombreros are a truly honorable article of clothing to shield the eyes from the sun and putting one on a ship is merely an even greater honor!

4:19 yay more Suika. 😊😊

There are several models used to represent the ships used by the Maquis. You can see the three main types in pre-emptive strike. There are the ones from The Maquis (later reused as attack fighters). There's the one Ro flies in pre-emptive strike. Chakotay's one was a (possibly bigger) variation of the one Ro flew (I assumed the number of people were due to wanting to hijack a freighter), and the one that's identical to the bajoran assault ship (the ones that shot down Kira and Dax)

Screw Memory Alpha; if you want an in-depth discussion into Star Trek lore, I would advise Ex-Astris Scientia. And in his article on the subject, he points out that the term Peregrine class is used precisely once in the history of the show and that is in the DS9 episode ''Heart of Stone'' - and we NEVER see what ship the name is referring to nor do we get a description beyond ''lightly armed courier''. It might not be this ship at all but something completely different, people have just assumed this to be the Peregrine based on a single word of dialogue. Fact is that the word ''courier'' sounds far more like it would be some kind of re-purposed freighter rather than a dedicated fighter capable of going one on one with a runabout.

Paladin class were originally smaller class ships than they beefed them up for the dominan war so they had increased range size and firepower. There was a bigger freighter class provided to the colonists as well as paladin classes after increased aggression on the cardassian side the maquis converted them into long range fighters/assault ships like chakotays ship in Voyager

So I do some 3d printing and I scale models and parts a lot, and I feel some of the size inconsistency could be explained by some throw aways line like " the engineering required for ship design to warp bubble engineering is massive, however scaling a ship and its components is easy for the replicators and builders to do and no changes to warp bubble physics is needed if things are just scaled to match what is needed for that ships duty"

I had always assumed they were bought from federation or non-alligned worlds, probably in parts or using other surreptitious means to disguise supplying"terrorists" with the weapons they're using to kill Cardassians. It's like how Germany constructed and tested its early Panzer engines and chasis by calling them tractors and insisting they were for industrial applications.

"One if the most inconsistent ships in Star Trek Lore" Hahahahhahahaha - something will come around to take that title, you wait

Just calling any random ship a 'Maquis Raider' makes sense to me. Against a starfleet ship, they're completely worthless, so it's just "Okay, these are some Marquis-commanded ships, and they're used in raiding, we don't need specifics considering they don't pose us any threat, so we'll just lump them all together."

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I agree that Voyager's writing was sloppy and the Marquis ships were inconsistently portrayed. But I think it's plausible that the Marquis can get their hands on all sorts of federation ships. You have Starfleet sympathizers and defectors who could transfer or steal equipment. Heck, one of Eddington's last acts as a Starfleet Officer was to rip off DS9 big time before he quit! It wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility for these people to buy old ships from scrapyards, from starship dealerships, or just 'requisition' a few and have them 'disappear', or have a few ships destined for the breaking yards end up not getting that far and being written off regardless. Whole lot of ways the Marquis could have ended up with ships. They didn't need to make them.

the smaller versions of the ship was a pergerine fighter, and was a actual fighter used by the federation to fight wars, the Maquis raider, use an freighter made by the same company

A thought: In DS9, Eddington steals several industrial replicators for the Maquis. These are originally intended to help rebuild city infrastructure on Cardassia Prime. What if...Eddington and the Maquis managed to modify one of those replicators to help redesign and modify existing ships. Not exactly a shipyard...but like a mobile 'chopshop' to repair and rebuild older ships...into new roles. And with the Peregrine design already well known, using a sort of template to help standardize their patchwork fleet. Juat a thought.

If there was a USS Continuity in Starfleet, what class is it?

A lot federation officers help the maqui including Vulcans cientists (ds9) so the raiders could be modifying to be more efficient as military ships

I think its akin to the term "pirate ship". There is no specific ship called a "pirate ship" but most pirates in history (and today) tend to choose similar or the same ships as certain ship types they can buy from friendly ports would fit their needs.

In military naval parlance, a raider or commerce raider is a civilian vessel converted into an armed vessel for the purposes of attacking merchant shipping

Maybe the Maquis build them planetside? Remember, Federation ships are build in space based shipyards. Maquis can't do that, but they could possibly construct smaller vessels on the ground, hidden. Those small ships are well suited for guarillia warfare as well. Also, the Raider as shown would be easier to build on the ground compared to most Starfleet ships. Less slim, and better supported hull.

one. I also very much agree.

Military speaking, "fire on the re-purposed peregrine class" v "fire at the marquis ship" or "fire at the marquis raider" does make sense. It's shorter, everyone knows what they mean, it's clear and concise. Doesn't matter what kind of ship it is or if your correct or accurate: as long as everyone there knows what you mean

For some reason I thought they were repurposed courier ships, but I can't for the life of me recall where I got that idea.

I have a feeling that sense the ships the Maqui use are hodgepodge together, that starfleet and other naval forces simply use the term to determine a relative threat level. You never know what the ship has for weapons but the space frame itself limits how many or the power of. I do get your point that it feels messy or not well done, after all we have had the same bird of prey blowing up on our screen for years now it should be no surprise that they use what ever they have on hand to fill the plot.

Pretty sure you see the vessels the raider and fighter are based on, it shows them during the big DS9 battles. Part of the "Attack Squadrons". I can't remember the actual episodes. Maybe the colonists had a number of those vessels and repurposed?

The 'Raider' seems like a misnomer like how the 'Star Destroyer' was a heavy cruiser and not a destroyer

Would have been nice if Voyager had a higher budget to emphasize its uniqueness. Would have been cool to see the raider, captain's yacht, Nelix's shuttle, and Voyagers shuttle as some sort of fighter fleet in those earlier episodes.

In defense of the "raider" terminology: The US Coast Guard calls all their commissioned ships "cutters." The actual ships include everything from tug boats to tender ships to armed patrol craft and can range in size from 65 feet to over 400 feet; however, they are all cutters. Maybe that sort of blanket terminology was also applied to Maquis Raiders, making the actual model of the ship irrelevant.

The Colonies didn’t have shipyards but the Marquis could’ve repurposed space stations or abandoned asteroid mines into them. Failing that they could’ve bought surplus ships from Federation, Klingons and Ferengi or stolen them from scrapyards, pirates or smugglers. In Star Wars the Rebels did that.

Print(Peregrine, scale=Normal). *10 hours later* Ok, who set the Normal to 3? *Marquis giggling* No don't laugh, it's not funny, you need a stepladder to get to the captain's chair. *even more Marquis giggling*

It really depends on how well structure the marqui actually were as an organization, if there really was a connection to Bajor it’s likely they were taught similar cell based tactics and so naming or class schemes may have only mattered in thr cell but not the organization.

In my headcanon, Starfleet intelligence "misplaced" some experimental peregrin class fighters and essentially used the Maquis to test their effectiveness. This would make sense as a large portion of Starfleet was lost at Wolf 359 so they needed a cheap replacement for some of the more minor duties like patrols, reconnaissance and convoy escort that would've been filled by Miranda or Oberth class ships. It makes sense to use small craft for this role as they are just as powerful than some of the rustbuckets that Starfleet carried over from the TOS era. I think it could have been the same line of thinking that led to the Danube class runabouts. Just a theory

4:30 Thanks Joe :)

I'm conducting a combat analysis of the Maquis Raider this week. What's helpful about this video is that I now must acknowledge that the Raider is a stand-in for a larger vessel they couldn't afford a new model for much like the K'Vort Class Battlecruiser represented by a Bird of Prey as you mentioned. Another ship that's done the same way is the Kazon fighter and Kazon Raider. Because the Maquis Raider was attacked by both Cardassian and Kazon ships it's a useful metric for the firepower of those ships. -Currently I've deduced that the Cardassian Galor is 41% LESS powerful than the Kazon Mothership. -Voyager took an estimated 645 hits from the Mothership making Voyager's shields 32.26 TIMES stronger than the Maquis Raider. I'm hoping to find evidence of the Maquis ships firepower but that seems like a lost cause seeing as they opperate whatever weapons they can find. TNG Preemptive strike is my best bet.

it's the rebel alliance! They're suppling them from the star wars universe through the wormhole! Those are modified YT series freighters like the Falcon because PEREGRINE FALCON, GET IT😂

Maybe the Maquis have undisclosed help from other bigger factions like the romulans or klingons or something. They unofficially help the Maquis because they’re hurting the Federation and the Cardassians.

You are right, not always, but often.

From what I understand, the Marquis raider and fighter are two different ships that sorta look similar. The raider is slightly larger and was pretty much a Federation civilian transport ship that had been modified with shields and weapons. The fighter (Peregrine class) is smaller and seats 2 people. The Peregrine class is a Starfleet designed tactical fighter. IIRC, the Marquis were assisted by sympathetic officers within Starfleet and got their hands on industrial replicators. That, in theory, would've allowed them to maintain and possibly build more ships by reverse engineering the ships they were possibly given or stolen. Many Marquis members were former Starfleet officers like Eddington, so it's not a stretch to think they used their contacts in the organization to get their hands on weapons & tech Civilian colonists shouldn't have access to.

I use the Macross Defence. What we see is not necessarily how things look, or how things happened. But an in-universe creation.

Dear Lore, thank you, for your cool videos. :) In this case however, you overlook a significant technology in Star Trek. Replicators. Whit the right program, they make you everything. And whit the bigger industrial replicators the Maquis got in DS9, they could make there owen small Starships, if they find dilithium to by. Shuttlesize crafts not need big shipyards. Thanks again, Lore, please keep up making more videos.

The explanation should be simple. The Maquis used whatever they had at their disposal. The fighters were provided by Starfleet for anti-piracy after the Battle of Wolf 359 made it impossible to dedicate starships to that role. There were also a few patrol ships which were more substantial than the fighters but could still be considered small craft (like PT Boats from WWII). These larger ships where used as flagships by the Maquis' highest ranking commanders. Hence why we rarely see them and only under the command of Maquis who were high ranking Starfleet before joining. This would be nice to be extrapolated on, like a scene in DS9 where they go over the resources at the disposal of the Maquis to determine the level of threat they pose. However, Voyager was just going to do its thing without a care for it. Probably why TNG and DS9 used them better.

I think the Maquis ships were there during the war with the Cardassians, and they're basically leftover obsolete ships that were there to defend from Cardassians before reaching peace. They were never repurposed by the Federation because they were worthless. Why not decommission and destroy or recycle them? Either it was seen as a waste of money, a Maquis spy/infiltrator made sure the required paperwork never got through, or both. So you'd have a lot of fighters, and a few raiders for superior firepower. Chakotay was a Starfleet captain before joining the Maquis, which is why he was given a full raider.

Please do a video on the Achilles class warship, USS Achilles

a few things to consider.... the fighters that the bajoran resistance had were likely supplied via third party and made by some sort of federation front, which of course, using base federation tech, would easily be identifiable as federation. they would likely take anything that could be modified, and from anyone offering the right price. this is common practice when forming insurgencies to help resistance fighter groups on earth at this time. weapons would not likely be standard format. they had to piece things together or build from scratch what they did have and could use. this would no doubt have an effect on tactics. the fighters were likely meant for planetary customs and interdiction duties to delay ships for the cavalry to jump in and then clear out. some may have had special countermeasures or weapons that were really not sensible to use until the capital ships took over as the main threat. then a fighter might have been able to harass the flanks and get in really close to avoid most weapon systems. point defense systems would likely be about the only reliable way to take out the ships so close to the hull. the fighters, as we see them, using crews of 3 or more more than likely served more of a purpose similar to the P-61 Black Widow. it had guns, cannon, and rockets or bombs. They were night fighters that were great at harassing enemy formations and causing enemy mistakes. they also benefited from radar. the fighters in Trek are more useful the more ships that enter battle. they become mosquitoes that the enemy cant take out without risking hitting friendly ships. meanwhile these little bugs can move in and out, pick out main systems or even drop mines within a formation, hit them with a projectile of choice, or maybe beam in a few agents. but on smaller scales, the fighters are more open and exposed, and i would sooner take an up armed and armored runabout than a fighter. better systems in place for going for sensor info on unknown or new weaknesses, more powerful all around, and warp capable. perhaps going beyond a small class 7 or 8 shuttle is more than the average person would be allowed due to them being mainly for official federation operations. you can always take away weapons, which could be easily retrofitted onto the craft that had weapons to start with, and shields would be something that would likely not be taken out when sold, since its purely defensive in nature. i would imagine these would not be the newest of designs but still give the owner or pilot a chance of escape. so you might also consider some of them as torpedo boats, like the US and Germans had in WW2. capable of doing lots of damage in the right circumstances, but most often just trying to find a way to keep the enemy off balance.

Actually it does make sense if assume the maquis were an insurgent force. Milutary forces facing an insurgent group will have to broadly define what insurgent military assets are comprised of because of the wide variety of sources they draw equipment from. Unlike proper units that have standardized supply units. Raider or fighter will be blanket terms to describe an extremly generalized category of equipment they are facing. The best example i can think of are the somali pirates, they use a wide variety of weapons and boats, but they are all called pirate boats

There is one other instance when the larger 'raider' is likely present. The mirror universe episode where the Terrans build a defiant. Bashir in what looks like the raider 'saves' the defiant. Somehow making a difference against the oversized alliance ship when the defiant was struggling. Though it seemed to only be flown by bashir, it's hard to imagine a single Peregrine class fighter adding anything meaningful to the defiants power, and on screen shots put them similar in size, and yes I know there are all sorts of issues with size in that episode. But the fact that it apparently did something meaningful says it was more then a little fighter. It is however emblematic of the inconstancy, how is such a slapdash vessel any kind of threat against that oversized NegVar even with it getting hammered by a defiant class. It doesn't make a lot of sense.

3:00 The naming is actually quite consistent. For instance, the United Kingdom built a class of frigate they called the Flower class, which they exported to all it's allies; Canada got this frigate, and renamed it the Tribal class. It's just an identification of who owns the ship.

truthfully I always say the names of raiders and fighter are more a federation name that ship, like the d-7 class thing for klingon ships, but obviously far from the potential that the story are lacking

Lore consider this. We know that private organizations used Oberth's for there work and the Federation is huge so there is likely private ship designs used that are not starfleet. ANd will still need armed ships. That's where the raider comes in and even the Pregrine and while some colonies may not have ship yards you can bet they made some durign there reign...I'm jsut surprise they didn't try raidign the mothball fleet for some old designs. a Marquis Connie would have been interesting.

The Marquis could have gotten old freighters like the YT-1300, put in better shielding, replaced the drive with a class 0.5, added quad laser cannons and … Wait…What? Laser cannons? Seriously, laser cannons! Those won't even penetrate…and this is a legendary ship that helped take down two moon sized Battlestations? Holy Zarquon, how feeble must the opposition have been?

They used peregrine class fighters And Ja’day class freighters right? No one leaves paradise right? It makes perfect sense, remember they stole several federation CFI industrial replicators, they can start replicating factory’s etc ship parts and build them themselves, I have no doubt they took the designs from starfleet considering a lot of starfleet personal defected it’s possibly that they took specs designs etc They are humans so it stands to reason they would use human technology. If the dominion hadn’t destroyed them I could see them becoming their own sovereign state

Maquis Raider is a description, not a type. It's a raiding ship used by the Maquis. A Klingon Bird of Prey that raids ships would be a Klingon Raider. A Romulan Warbird that raids ships would be a Romulan Raider. It doesn't matter what class it is, just who it belongs to and what it's currently doing. In the case of the Maquis Fighter, well, it's a Fighter used by the Maquis, regardless of class again. As far as I'm aware it's never stated what class of ships the Maquis use. For the fighters, I believe the name Peregrine was only ever uttered once without ever being shown. People automatically started calling the fighters seen in DS9 (same model as the Maquis Fighter) as the Peregrine class. There might also have been a mention in Star Trek Nemesis when Picard and Data found the Scorpion fighters, though again without actually showing it.

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Starship lore, Andromeda Ascendant.

I imagine it like the Firefly, if it got a weapons upgrade and changed the cargo bay into a troop bay. Holds a lot of people for long missions without needing to change crew

Technical isn't a name, but it's what soldiers call pick up trucks converted into weapons platforms.

Best space sombreros I've ever seen worn though

If Voyager can design and make the Delta Flyer within a week, just by using a starship replicator. You have to wonder how fast are those big planetary industrial replictors are.

From a military standpoint I'd guess calling them fighters and raiders aren't referring to the class of ship but maybe it's function. A fighter may be more for air to air (ship to ship) operations while a raider has an extended mission. Perhaps landing troops, ground assault, quick hit and runs. While I admit I'm unsure of the rolls these ships played individually this seems logical to me. We see it in real life. The F/A-18 is a Fighter/Attack craft used for air and ground operations. A different version the G is used for electronic warfare. We would call them Hornets or Growlers. The C-130 is another example. Normally it's a cargo plane however the refit version turns it into a devastating ground attack and support aircraft.

Love those maquis fighters

The Maquis Raider/Fighter was basicaly a sort of Star Trek variety of Star Wars universe's YT-1300 and popular among smuglers for its handling and speed. The heroic Maquis could easily get their hands on a number of these and as you said refit them for combat (Hit and run mostly).

One possibility.....the Maquis tended to purchase their ships and weapons instead of having their own manufacturing base. They could have commissioned a third party (Ferengi, Orions, etc.) to build unlicensed knockoffs of the fighters and raiders. It might also explain why the Federation fighters were superior to the Maquis versions.

I would say the maquis raider 's ships are more like Q ships . Merchant vessels that are fitted with stronger weapons . They should be many different ships with only a few appearing the same .

Calling them "Maquis Raiders" would save some embarrassment to the organization that's really supplying them. However, the first good scan of the ship would probably give the game away barring someone like Section 31 doing something crazy like designing and building fighters out of replicated Klingon parts.

Would you feel better if they replaced the ship with a similar but clearly visually different model if/when they remaster all of Trek?

tbh with the way the star trek universe works (transporters, replicators, minor refits and all) it wouldnt supprise me if the Marquis was able to find some parts dissassemble some peregine fighters and build a larger ship out of it.... after all they had access to atleast a few starfleet officers and some of those are able to build new ship classes out of one or two shuttles and some spare parts (see deltaflyer) It could be their atemp at doing some damage as IIRC the Peregine wasnt really able to do much damage against Cardassian ships

What race would supply weapons and ships for a price, Ferengi maybe.

name "maqui raider" doesn't imply it was built by the maqui. a lot of times in our own world factions will buy a weapon and rename it. for example yemeni rebels have acquired Chinese anti-ship missiles and given them another name. this becomes especially significant when the rebels dont want to expose the source of their weapons.

Maybe labeling it by the name of its owners rather than root class is a way of distinguishing it from other craft of the class operated by other organizations. Also, in doing so might get across quickly that to some extent you may not know what you're dealing with exactly since the craft may not perform or act like its root class due to heavy modification.

I mean most of Star Trek ships are non-sense. Federation ships are incredibly inefficient when making use of internal space through design. And the enormous hollow space in the Romulan ships. I mean look at Babylon 5 Earth Alliance, Halo UNSC or Expanse ships for efficient use of space in the SPESSH BOKS manner while still being visually interesting. Also big ship=more reactor room/weapon room. BOKS ships FTW.

Love the Suika

Fighter on a budget would look more... Firefly-ish than mass produced federation style fighters. Seems like some people couldn't handle the chop shop vessel look.

I would have expected the Maquis vessels to be a collection of cobbled together bits a pieces, and perhaps one or two truly ancient patrol craft. Not anything resembling a true class.

...... Any chance these ships are re-purposed civilian ships? With after market shields and weapons, plus an upgraded power system? Not a single class, but what the Maquis could get their hand on and modify into raiding ships? This would, I think, make some sense. Particularly if such ships can be gotten cheaply and legally....

I feel the Maquis would have made more sense had they operated much like the Minmatar from EVE Online do, for those who may not know, the Minmatar(in lore) build their ships using scrap from other nations, they scavenge for parts and they use the best of what they can find to build their ships, and repurpose the less useful metals and parts into guns and ammo for said guns. Their weapons being projectile guns that fire various charges, such as Phased Plasma, EMP, Fusion, Titanium Sabot, Depleted Uranium, Proton, Nuclear, and Carbonized Lead. So they effectively just throw what ever they can find and fit into their guns at their targets. The Minmatar ships are rusty and beat up looking because they are built from the scrap of other ships, they tend to have fairly average shields and armor plating because once again, they scavenge for parts. They also have some missile launchers of various types from once again scavenging. If the Maquis had been more like that I feel they would have worked better. I get the argument of "well how could they have built ships?" and my answer is the Bajorans. As it was mentioned they were sympathetic towards the Maquis, and they did have ship yards capable of building smaller ships they could have sold/lent to the Maquis. The Maquis could have also taken over some outlaying Federation shipyards that it wasn't a top priority to take back, because let's face it the Federation would have likely not bothered to reclaim a Maquis shipyard until they really needed it. Or they could have just simply bought some from the Ferengi, who likely would have been more than happy to strike a good bargain on some used shipyards and likely some junk as well. Let's face it, space is going to be full of junk, and with a few Federation ships likely also defecting to the Maquis cause, they could also produce some of their own space junk from attacking the Cardassian ships in the area. Imagine if the Maquis ships were scrappy hybrid ships, part Star Fleet, part Bajoran, part Cardassian, and part Ferengi. Imagine how that would look, no they wouldn't have been as strong as the ships they stole parts from but that's not the point, they would likely be built for speed first, firepower second, survivability third, do hit and runs and with every ship they destroy they would only get stronger as that would mean more scrap to use to build more ships. If they had been written like this it would still make sense that the Dominion wiped them out, only then it would make even more sense. The Maquis would likely have a decently sized fleet of their own. It also likely would have opened up the opportunity for some to have escaped from the Dominion fleets and join back up with the Federation or even the Bajorans. But no, they were meant as a short term baddy and nothing more, so they got the bare minimum of effort put into them and that was all.

I always took it as a black market acquired ship and that it may actually be a Raider class. It may have been named after somebody and not after any intended purpose. As for the ships abilities, each ship is different and one may be better than the other or have a larger cargo capacity. The ship may have been transporting Maquis ground troops that were taking up every inch of internal space outside of critical areas, so while it is scaled up, the 23 crew members shouldn’t be a factor. You can fit more than that in a runabout. The ship is consistent to the Maquis seeing as the Maquis seem to have no set criteria for standard operation. It’s inconsistent only from our perspective. And we KNOW that even larger frames of the Raider exist thanks to the Yeager class so I’d say this fits fine within universe. Does it make sense to scale up ships like this in OUR real world? Hell no. But this is Star Trek and it is absolutely established.

Oddly enough, the Maquis Raider is a T6 lobi ship in STO. Smh Terrible.

Originally designed for the cardassian border wars. Starfleet could use them as mobile bases when they land on the ground. And could often be used to augment an armada. I will grant you I don't know the class name but they are repurposed Starfleet ships from the border wars. "Thanks chief."

I always thought of Marquis ships as old Bajoran and Federation ships repurposed to their uses which is why they are so inconsistent, like "3rd world" Earth militaries and paramilitaries using old repurposed Soviet military machines.

The larger version is call a Ju'Day or Condor Class and is an equivalent of the Bird of Prey and can be used as a transport or scout or Runabout. Quit trying to spoil the show and suspend your reality.

fans: use your brains CBS: brains? hmm must look that up some time