hahaha you're right I haven't heard that one before but it's definitely the worst

I categorically refuse to believe that is real! I know it is but I refuse to believe it anyway!

To be fair, Harley Quinn was originally invented as a single episode sidekick character for the Joker in Batman the Animated Series. They only retroactively added more backstory to her character after she became a fan favorite.

Another golden one is in Warhammer 40K. The Ultramarines from the planet Ultramar, lol

Imagine if Superman's naming scheme was like that lol "Go forth my child: Supernous Manous"

they're definitely gonna be reviving the justice league in future season

@@gamrknight8060 Bold of you to assume there will be another one of these made by Rocksteady after this disaster.

My guess is that they wanted to be edgy in the style of the old „Deadpool kills the Marvel heroes“ comic book. If it would be actually funny and distinctively not bound to the Arkhamverse, there could be even some room for that. But the bad gameplay kills it anyway.

@@ElvenRaptor he said season… but you are right

@@davidgantenbein9362 Edgy isn't as cool when it's mainstream

Arkham Origin fans: * sip wine * * helps the other two kick Suicide Squad *

@@MegaChickenfish Origin fans: Best Batman characterisation and Boss Battles enjoyers. It did also have my favorite writing of the games, but that's a personal opinion of mine.

@@leithaziz2716 Amateurs every Arkham is a masterpiece

I am still of the opinion that Asylum is best with an unmatched atmosphere

Arkham Knight has people who not only liked it about as much, but actually prefer it? City for me. Origins was pretty good, but I was there more for a story I didn't already know the end of.

Given the amount of (quite correct, but still) comments to the tune of "Superman can be interesting without turning evil", I'm almost kinda sorta thinking maybe Yahtzee might have tossed that one in there to bait Engagement.

It's the same chestnut that led to things like Watchmen, Suicide Squad, Outsiders, or Exiles thing, isn't it? You can do a lot with characters that aren't under lock & key or constant resets.

At this point, a good moral Superman is the subversive thing. I am so sick of evil superman...

It’s something the not fans say, similar to „Batman should kill the Joker“. Neither evil Superman nor Killer Batman are a thing with the fans of these characters. Both ideas are just there to interest the people that were never interested in Superman and Batman to begin with.

Yeah, Superman can be interesting without turning evil, but it typically involves death (often his own).

The villainess was a problem. But imo the basic b plot written for a standard superhero movie was also a problem. The Suicide Squad isn’t a superhero team and the movie wasn’t written to take that into account. Instead we got some really weak superhero movie, where they even have a moment of making up their mind to save the world. Nobody had the guts to write them as villains, hell Deadshot became an anti-hero and poor father to just farm some „but he isn’t really evil“ points. I hate it, when actors like Will Smith get hired for the role of a villain and the story gets rewritten to make them look less like a villain.

Oddly enough, Ennis quite likes Superman, and has had him make some very good guest appearances when he's doing DC stuff.

@@davidgantenbein9362 I think it would have worked best as a "black ops" type deal. The Suicide Squad are sent in to deal with a threat that either the government doesn't want to involve heroes in, or that they're using the main cast as a reconnaissance force before the actual heroes jump in but they end up saving the day after they lose communication or the time is running out, all of this being covered up by Amanda Waller and her agents. I remember watching the first suicide squad at the cinema and legitimately didn't get what they were doing there, at first it seemed they were sent in to deal with enchantress, but then it was to rescue Waller, but then they do fight enchantress, and I still don't get why the justice league wasn't involved in fighting a threat capable of leveling the entirety of New York with ease

@@Axl4325 And hilariously, that's what the second Self-Unalive Team film does instead; these dorks are instead sent to go do a sneaky thing with plausible deniability if they eat shit in the process. And it's great!

@@davidgantenbein9362 Wouldn't surprise me if not looking a villain is a part of all Will Smith's contracts.

Imo, Superman is at his most interesting when he's Clark Kent. All my favorite stories are about him trying to be human

Superman creeps the shit out of me, so it's kinda true...

@@Zaxophone32Smallville was great.

​@@dihyaneverforget5163 but why though?

@@mason-greylong4792 as a kid a felt like he's going to snap at any second and rips someone in half

Add in the a-listers wiping out areas and I think you got something.

Something unique and interesting??? In MY quadruple-A gaming industry?!?! How do I call 911 on you?

Sounds a lot better than what we got.

I remember Yahtz compared Saints Row 2 to a game where you play as a Batman villain. Why not take that concept and amp it up? Have all your goons in coloured/themed costumes. Pull off goofy heists, take out other silly themed gangs, like in the Warriors. And THEN you have a ‘totally not Batman’ hero who starts picking all of the criminals off. Leading to the aforementioned scenario;

Like how the flash can remove all of your clothing in a second but doesn't just like snap your neck.

From watching some other review I remeber that the whole story is about first finding a magic/techological thimgamabob that will weaken or deactivate the bosses specific superpower to a level where the player actually has a chance against them.

nothing pulls me out of a fight faster than the knowledge that the boss could just end it with little to no warning or resistance but just doesn't because of "reasons"

The Flash was showed ripping Luthor's heart out, killing him instantly. What did he do against the SQ? Just randomly spammed tornados.

@@bassgx1459 This is the most funny/egregious part about it. Not only do we know its possible for the Flash to kill someone in a million ways in a fraction of a second, but they actually show him doing things like that multiple times (Lex getting ripped out of his mech suit, getting his heart ripped out) so it just feels even more dumb when it doesnt happen to the squad. Like if he just never did anything like that at all, that would be stupid but consistent. This is stupid and inconsistent.

Fair. Characters that are both actually good and intelligent enough to do good are really, really fun. Some good ones I found are Keldorn from Baldur's Gate 2 and Shifu from Live A Live. Maybe Papyrus, even though that "intelligent" part is rather unclear. And obviously, Iroh from Avatar. It doesn't get better than that, I think.

hard agree. Someone who has been through the worst, seen the absolute worst and cruelest side of humanity, and says "no, I CHOOSE kindness" when given the choice to feed the addictive anger in their heart is my favorite kind of character. Characters who are good not because it's easy or convenient or their only option are so flat. I feel like megamind might fall into this by the end of the movie

If Sweet Baby Inc wasn't involved I'd be inclined to believe that.

Oh man I hope they do a FPS, I really loved Urban Chaos Riot Response from them before batman.

See, jumping from burning ship are typically done in covert manners that leaves few if any witnesses from identifying you. This is more like Rocksteady (and Warner bros to some extent) hijacking the entire communication to announce their plan of destroying the Statue of Liberty, actually doing that by nuking it, then they just don a ski-mask on the spot and pray no one would notice them like they're in Hitman games.

me too! damn we are old@@lucasLSD

Honestly, he might not even have time to cover them all, cuz they’ll be dead by the time he starts writing the script for one of them.

I think he's doing fine. There's plenty of other reviewers to kick them when they're new, not to mention the public dogpiling them. Just when the initial hate is starting to ease up and the game tries to slink away in shame, Yahtzee steps forward to deliver the killing blow.

He's not the most complicated, but that's ok. Not ever character has to be an amoral antihero with a complicated and tragic past. Sometimes an alien raised by farmers to be a good boy is a solid enough foundation for a character.

As a big fan of MAWS, I'm glad somebody else brought this up

100%. It sucks that this narrative of "Superman is boring" gets pushed by so many people who've never given him a shot. A dude whose strong enough to take over the world but decides to use that power to help people is plenty interesting; but people miss the point so hard they just go to Omni-man or Homelander as "more realistic."

Lois & Clark and Superman the Animated Series proved he can be interesting decades ago. Pretty Warrior Sailor Superman is a good modern example, though.

Yup, Superman can be interesting, it's just that loads of writers aren't interested in telling those stories. He's theoretically simple, but it's the situations you put him in that can make that simplicity shine. Evil Superman meanwhile has kind of always been boring. Aside from like, the comic adaptation of Injustice, Evil Superman is usually just writers trying to shit on base Superman and lambast sincerity, goodness, kindness and aversion from killing. Plus Injustice Superman works because the normal Superman comes in and kicks his ass, being the ultimate capstone to the Evil Superman thesis.

I think it’s less intentional than the result of core people leaving Rocksteady long before the game finished. That though is the result of publisher interference.

YES and the team they choose could work perfectly for completely diffrent playstyles. Harley would be the middle of the road a al a Fighter class, deadshot the ranged dps a la wizard, king shark the tank a la paladin, and captain boomerang the trapper a la ranger/rogue. c'mon, this is cooperative multiplayer 101, different roles, not making everyone shooty shoots.

Yeah one of the games greatest sins, that I can tell, is it doesn’t seem to have any of its characters play significantly differently from any of the others. Just four people running around with the same guns

You seem to live under a rock, because way before development the original devs were fired/forced to retire and Sweet Baby Inc.'ed

How did you not understand that the devs that made Arkham Asylum left during Cities development? Or was the Joker in Shit Knight did double duty by both helping you see stars and shoving a shit story up your arse? Or was it "Shadow of War" that gave you the compelling (read retarded) story of "Shadow of somehow less Mordor" I mean... what ever the fuck happened in that cash grab of a game?

Also Superman from The Animated Series and later Justice League & JL:Unlimited. The penultimate episode where he punches Darkseid so hard buildings shatter around him all while he talks about 'living in a world of cardboard' and even their version of Injustice "The Justice Lords" show how you can do both well. Lord Superman killed Luthor as a neccesity and then labotomised the rest of the Rogues Gallery all while doing it 'for the greater good'. Even seeing Joker with the holes in his head was creepy because he was still alive but completely castrated of his will. The final moments where our Superman collaborates with Lex to stop them and Lord Supes ready to kill Flash with a "What's one more?" showed how far he had gone since that first kill because Flash dying was the reason they went down that road.

Good choice, liked that story.

I think Yahtzee just doesn’t like the genre so can be seriously dismissive of it out of ignorance.

​@@seanmcloughlin5983yet somehow less dismissive than the production companies.

@@seanmcloughlin5983this, essentially. I just don’t think Yahtzee likes superhero comics anymore, so he doesn’t bother. Which is fair, to a certain degree.

Yea but.. he was turned evil by brianac so.... legal issues be damned! Also there was a moment in comics Batman used fear gas to incite fear upon his victims but that was a different person then Bruce. Wanna see a good evil batman thats mind controlled? Justice League Dark: Apokolips War.

he basically faked his death and went full time batman doing his best to make it seem like someone else taken up the mantle or something at the end. while using fear toxin to make it seem like everybody he takes down is just hallucinating that he's still around

Yes, as seen in the SS tie-in comic that takes place after Arkham Knight and completely ignores every opportunity to address it.

Sweet Baby Inc. search about it

They don't give a fuck. Making the Arkham series share the same universe with this trash pile is just a pathetic corporate attempt to appeal to as many people as possible. This is why I'll never consider this garbage to be the canon continuity.

Braniac spends the whole game chilling in his Skull Ship, so they can't get to him. And the military does try attacking the ship, but they can't because Green Lantern and Superman are both guarding it.

@@benjaminlee985That, and they probably just wanted an excuse to take them out anyway in this universe.

​@@fightingleaf Some Easter eggs and leaked audio lines suggest that the Justice League will be revived and cured in future content. Even if that is the case, it's probably too little, too late.

@@fightingleaf Yeah, that's a huge win as far as Waller is concerned

1. Fuck you for spoiling Invincible 2. Superman being a kind man instead of a god-king is one facet of his character, and not his whole character. Besides, turning that on its head by making him evil would still work as a subversion even if that was all there was to the character. We may be over saturated with evil Supermen, but it’s not an inherently flawed concept.

@@mimicry5713 - Sorry I spoiled a plot point from 20 years ago for you. Or if you've only watched the TV show, from 4 months ago, I guess.

NOW LET'S GET IN THERE!!!

still disappointed i commented that first on that video and NOBODY GOT IT

And i will reply same as i did in one such comment (dont believe yours) sad Reload neuters the meme a little bit ಠ⁠︵⁠ಠ

@@bixmcgoo5355 i got it. im with you

Yahtzee needs to read a good Superman comic. And so did the people who made this game.

Yeah, explore what constant need to be paragon does to a person or on gameplay side, how to integrate a practically invincible character while still maintaining challenge like how to beat baddies while keeping the preventing or minimizing property and human casualties. Or make his personal relation as the central part of the story, like needing to balance his civilian guise and superhero activities, his powerset more or less made many superheroes redundant and what effect it'll do to their relationship dynamics. Or just say to hell with superman on Earth and have him fight exclusively against supervillain on his level or at the very least capable of hurting him.

that Lois and Superman animated show does a good job of that

Humanizing *insert thing here* is storytelling 101 for making the audience care about *insert thing here*, which is merely pointing out that this isn’t really a “superman” issue, and the question isn’t really “is superman himself inherently interesting or uninteresting.” It’s also probably worth pointing out that Yahtzee is not a universal fountain of truth, and what any of us find interesting inevitably evolves as we age, learn, consume more stories, and encounter stuff we’ve seen before. I used to be obsessed with anime, but traditional anime story arcs and character tropes I now find tedious (to my dismay).

and "boring" protagonists can work if they have interesting foils, a lot of the strength lies in how people depict lex luthor, lois, etc.

Black Manta: "I want a seahorse!"

Solomon Grundy Want Pants, Too

@@SingleBladedRoninYou win the prize! I left that last bit off my comment in hopes that someone would reply with it :)

Wow....back in the Super Friends days.

"I want a magic lasso, Lex!" "Can I get a sea horse?" "I demand more toys!" "Oh, enough of this! What do I look like, Santa Claus?"

Better than the writers of this game?

​@@henke37 Not a high bar. If you accept that a writer is only good as the appreciation, time and resources you give them, then AAA game writers must be among the worst in existence.

Crit rate. Without a doubt. All weapons can crit, but not all enemies deal meringue-based damage, so you’ll get more use out of it. Plus, all enemies that do meringue damage deal either chip damage or insta-kills, so 5% DEF isn’t all that noticeable.

​@@grzegorzbrzeczyszczykiewic563 I feel that sums up my issue with these types of games in general. A lot of defensive buffs are so situational and constantly outclassed by any and all damage buffs and you'll likely kill them before they become a legitimate threat as well. They'll be dead before a single meringue is thrown.

@@BlaizeTheDragon True. Games collectively do a really bad job of making defensive skills as useful as offensive skills. I could go on and on about the ways defense underdelivers, but the most consistent problem is speed: Even if +1 defense and +1 offense both make fights equally more likely to end in you winning, +1 offense will also do it faster, and therefore wins overall. Just once I'd like to see a game where the tankier route to victory wasn't also the slower route to victory. And as for figuring out if +10 critical is better than 5% meringue defense, that goes back to the classic irritant of games telling you stats left and right but never how they're actually used. Is the +10 critical rate a flat 10% added to your current crit rate? Or does it increase your crit rate by 10%? How does the 5% meringue resistance bonus figure in relative to my very much NOT percentage-based defense stat displayed on my equipment? Does it stack with the "pie resistance" perk? And if so, multiplicatively or additively?

hell at least do one of his OTHER storylines, like the time he forcefully upgraded literally everything in metropolis to be a 'city of the future' type deal

I think the only rendition of Brainiac I like is from the Superman Animated Series. I preferred his design as an emotionless machine there a lot more than the usual bald green man look.

Let's not forgot about his major role in the Scyfy Krypton series which, admittedly, is probably one of his best renditions.

To be fair, Alien and Aliens had a different plot and feel, which both spawned games (shooters and Alien Isolation). So I would give that creature two plots.

@@davidgantenbein9362 Alien Isolation and Aliens: Fireteam Elite are the most faithful game adaptations of their respective films for sure! But when you consider how many other games, novels, and comics are all variations of "Evil corporation wants to harness Xenos for biowarfare but they breach lab containment" I could see where Yahtzee's coming from. There are a few exceptions, of course (the books DNA War, Phalanx, and Echo come to mind.)

Or to put it differently, you make him interesting the same way you make every other character interesting as well. The question how well they can handle themselves in a fight never made any character either interesting or boring.

Every nihlist and cynic's worst nightmare.

@@leithaziz2716 I don't like Daria for the same reasons as I don't like poorly executed evil Superman stories, nihilism and cynicism is easy. Too easy.

@@andrewlassen7430there’s a great Superman story that was turned into a movie “Superman Vs the Elite” where Superman basically fights the Boys, they don’t care about not killing, they don’t care about civilian casualties, they just care about looking cool. And Superman rightly points out with their amazing powers they could do so much more, but their power made them cynical, and that cynicism made them lazy Theres always a way to avoid deaths, he knows, he famously lives in a world made of cardboard, but if you don’t care about anyone but yourself, why bother being creative when you can just blow a hole through the bad guys.

@@seanmcloughlin5983 Trivia: The Elite were based on "The Authority", a Wildstorm series with the premise of "ruthless heroes put themselves up as a higher authority and start being a factor in world politics". Seriously, if you read it, the inspiration is very obvious. Then again, the Authority also beat up obvious expies of the Avengers in their third big arc, so turnabout is fair play.

Very much agreed.

Good news: it isn’t his final performance. Crisis on Infinite Earths Part 3 is.

Yeah, people can make him interesting in other ways if they're an actually good writer.

Honestly, yeah. Superman's only boring when he's used as a battering ram to deal with the current baddy of the week. I think where Superman actually shines is when he's *not* using his powers. Giving him moral quandaries and opportunities to show that despite being an alien he's probably the most human superhero to exist is where he shines IMO.

Yeah, All-Star Superman pretty much put this idea to rest.

I don't think Bad guys can't be interesting characters you care about. It just qequires good writing, the same solution as to the "how to make Superman interesting?" question.

@@Kaefer1973 Should probably have been more specific. You can care about a Bad Guy, but the question you always need to as yourself is "Why should I care about them?". This logic can be applied to any character, but need's special attention to detail when handling Bad Guy's. If your going full on Evil Villain want's to Conquer/Destroy everything, ya don't need to care about them. They're a force of Nature. You can Understand them, but your never supposed to sympathize with them. That's why character's like Braniac work as a reoccurring villain. Hero's turned Villain however Need the context and understanding to work as character's. Outside of people who understand the DC universe, going into this game and just saying "Kill these guy's" without any context won't hit on any level. Your Darling's can't Be Darling's unless people understand Why. This is why the Marvel Movie's Worked (until recently) because they took time to build everything up. The suicide squad universe just want's you to know that these are the guy's your gonna kill, and your playing as a pack of villain's doing it. Which is just lazy story telling at every turn. I'm already hearing people ask why they should care about the people they're playing as, rather then the people they're killing. To that end I say, yeah, I'm not shocked. If you weren't a DC fan, this sure as hell ain't gonna convince people to become one.

@@Next0gen0 Another reason I find you stop caring when the super heroes are evil is because it reflects the world they live in. So why should I care about any of these characters when the world is so jaded and messed up that the folks representing our noblest qualities are evil?

"Superman is boring" is the perfect way to spot a tourist. They always think it's the most edgy/subversive premise. These days the subversive thing to do would be to make Superman like he was in the Christopher Reeves movies and the cartoons: a good dude who does the right thing because it's the right thing.

I think the sad reality is they did want to make this game (or one like it) but they were not competent enough to do so. Similarly, Bioware also wanted to make Anthem until they started actually making it and things fell apart. What most developers don't want to confront is that they can't simply make whatever game they want in a space they have no experience in and have it magically work out. Online multiplayer games with eternal content treadmills (live services and MMOs) are the hardest genre to develop. They take the most time, the most people, the most skill by those implementing the vision, are the most difficult to balance, and are the most difficult to change once development is in the middle. Skull and Bones had the exact same issues - a few years in they realized that the game would never materialize in the way they fantasized it would but could not stop working on it due to investment. That's why the higher ups at Rocksteady bailed out - they already knew the game wasn't going to work but knew the publisher would force the studio to force it out anyways so why waste several more years feebly trying to scrape something together.

With an xcom base you don't even need to fight with supers. Missions just need story reasonable objectives assasinate, theft, defend. Stuff with stock groups. Even could start players with d-listers and earn our way to deadshot and Harley. Or ...ugh... random Summons for recruitment pools.

There's another point of note. DC and the Warner Brothers has historically been tight-fisted with Superman to the point where any interesting concept is denied quickly. That actually explains why anything Superman underwhelms (Titus' N64 Superman game being a major blight) and why Batman is preferred for more meatier superhero stories.

Superman being a good person with basically unlimited power is what makes him interesting. Totally agree with you.

Absolutely. It's actually the best way to make him uninteresting - just turn him evil.

Two algorithmic superhero products this month, actually! Remember, Madame Web exists! ...I'm so sorry!

Fuck You February has become a tradition. Anthem came out in February, and we all know how well that game turned out. "The thing we hate of the week..."

February has been so barren I haven't even been able to fall back on updates to the five thousand Early Access cozy games I bought last summer in a fit of your-autism-is-showing interest in anything Steam wanted to sell me. They're all "update coming in March or April or whenever the boss at the solo dev's day job lets him have a week off." Truly we are living in the anti-Panglossian worst of all possible worlds.

​@@mangamaster03Except some things aren't simply hated and forgotten. Remember all that cope about how people would come to like _The Last Jedi_ over time, and instead it was so heinous it launched a thousand KZfaq careers? The fact that _this_ was the last thing Kevin Conroy ever did (much like how TLJ was the last thing Carrie Fisher ever did) is the kind of offense that earns _dwarven_ grudges.

Happy Fuck You February to you too. … and I‘m pretty sure the industry will be more than ready to deliver an equally bad games as a service by next February again.

Lest we forget the utter mental arm-twist that is Edward Nygma.

@@strangemobius It's actually Edward Nashton but I think he had it legally changed.

But what about Two Face. Oh right - he's a politician.

I feel like Harley Quinn deserves a special mention though, because both "Harley" and "Quinn" are names I've heard in real life. I have *never* heard of anyone with the names "Harleen" or "Quinzel" though.

@@Geothesponge111 It's not real life

Didn’t Rocksteady explode in staff? So maybe it’s less „there aren’t many people left“ and more „there aren’t many people with talent left“.

He never said he wasn't a hypocrite.

Superman vs the Elite is a good example of Supes doubting his morals.

I think Yahtzee was being seriously disingenuous about Superman only being interesting if he’s evil I find a shy kind man who happens to have the powers of a god way more interesting than all powerful space tyrant 57 The former has contrast and is a lot less pessimistic

you are literally a furry. your opinion is knot valid.

Mm. Superman always had his own genre flavour which contrast and complemented Batman's own. Making him just as moody as the latter in the DCEU made no sense.

And they patched it out anyway. They considerably reduced the end game grind.

Or they could just use the in-built evil Justice League and have you fight off an invasion from the Crime Syndicate from Earth-3

or hell just have you be the villains sent to murder the jsuice league because amanda waller's a corrupt night templar who wants the jusitce league dead out of paranoia.

Or go justice league unlimited season one finally with robo league imposters. The ones with brainiac. If live service required each season is an updated models. Have them fight 3 simulaneus batmen.

@@sarafontanini7051 That’s a great idea! It has the potential of developing into deeper themes. Though, I have always viewed Waller as a controlling woman that doesn’t trust vigilantes, no matter how virtuous or controlled they are. Giving the themes of oppression, freedom, and the short sightedness of people like her.

Yeah I was reeeeally hoping these weren’t the League, but the Crime Syndicate in disguise. Would have been a fun plot reveal of the squad grabbing one of the heroes’ weaknesses and finding out mid-battle it’s not working on them. “Alright we got the kryptoni-wait WHY IS HE GETTING STRONGER?!?”

Point's at All-Star Superman with the other hand

@@chikkin.salad.sandwich That cartoon had audience averages comparable to Ninja Kamui and Demon Slayer. A lot of people gave a shit and you do as well when you feel the need to lie about its success to try and bring it down for whatever reason.

Also points at Invincible (the plot isn't "evil superman", it's "Superman's dad is evil"). Mark is a good person who wants to save lives and struggles with his secret identity.

Points at Superman the animated series, Justice League season 2, and Justice League Unlimited.

I quite like the fact that the sponsors seem willing to let Jack be irreverent (the Last Epoch ad reads have been great). But letting YAHTZEE be irreverent? Dear gods, Incogni, your marketing managers actually seem to have grown a pair. Just A pair that they have to share between, like, five dudes, but that's still more testicular fortitude than most corpos show in a decade.

One of the few ad reads I actually listened to. Good job on them.

If I know anything about ecelebs, the sponsorships do nothing except drive critical people away from the product. I know that Incogni's services are just filing 3-year deletion requests to data suppliers, which one can do themselves with time, patience and proof that you are the person filing for data removal.

For the first time in...many moons, it's an advert for a product I actually a) had never heard of and b) think is a bloody brilliant idea. Yes, and Yahtzee actually says it, you could send requests yourself to everyone e harvesting your data but c) you'd have to find out who they are and d) then fill in a request for each one and then e) follow up any requests that aren't answered after the legislated time. If this company actually does all of that, and it's worth it (nessecity/price) for you, I can't see any reason why you wouldn't sign up for it. f) I don't work for incogni.

@@Code7Unltd Yeah but that's kind of the point, isn't it? Incogni is selling the convenience of not having to invest said time and patience into it. "Pay someone to do a boring, tedious thing for you" is the whole idea of paid services like this. Car washes exist not because people CAN'T wash their own cars, but because they don't WANT to.

As always, the TV shows do great with the character and the films just can't. I think there's some tier you pass where the idea of "powerful but genuinely kind and good" just... breaks in your mind? Good Superman writing is about hard choices, second chances, the vulnerability of loving people who are far more fragile than you, and the "power fantasy" (if we have to cal lit that) of "what if all the horrible people and governments and terrorists and zealots and warmongers and racists and antisemites finally ran into *one guy*, just *one guy* who could actually tell them NO and couldn't be assassinated or steamrolled out of their way?"

In a weird way I'm actually not surprised Yahtzee has this take. Generally speaking it seems like those who prefer evil Supes are the types that wear their resentment on their sleeve. If they were in Clark's shoes they wouldn't hesitate to destroy because that's just how they feel about the world. I don't want to lean too hard in this psycho-analysis angle but it's the only way I can really make sense of it.

In fairness, it's hard to write in that sort of development environment. They probably didn't even hire a writer until they were months away from launch. Having writing at all is merely an afterthought, a crutch meant to stitch together more important elements like levels, visuals and gameplay mechanics.

Superman fans out here trying their best to dispel Superman propaganda (it's me I'm Superman fans all of them are me)

I mean is that really still a controversial thing to say? Like at this point almost everyone that I have seen discussing anything related to him agrees on this.

yahtzee's said his stance on superhero stuff a lot of times when reviewing superhero games that he thinks they're all just power fantasies for little boys and that superman is inherently boring he's basically on the pretend hipster side of things when it comes to superheroes where you think you're being different but there's actually still tons of people who think exactly the same on this he has said before "superman is an utterly bland character" years ago but not everyone's watched all his videos so eh

​​@@Guymanbot97Almost everyone is a normie repeating the normie take. Either that or it's Batman fans spreading their bat-propaganda.

​@@thegodofalldragons"People who disagree with me are normies"

YESSSSS

That's what we're all here for.

Yahtzee: Kill "Suicide Squad: Kill The Justice League"

To late, the developers beat him to it.

And laugh at an industry that never learns anything

Theres other animated projects that he voiced before he passed so Rocksteady/WB promoting this as Kevins last time voicing Batman is flat out lying.

​@@Kozokuone of those reports was confirmed false. There's a possibility that the second one could be true, but that remains to be seen.

He might’ve already done work for the forthcoming caped crusader series I’ve heard, though it’s unclear wether he’s still Batman early on.

You're not as much in the minority as you might think.

Abortion seems apt too

Cheap vodka-induced miscarriage of an incest baby, perhaps.

A miscarriage of Justice... League?

@@Tleilaxu0 dang it, ya beat me to it!

@@Tleilaxu0 dammit, take this like. You earned it.

Now I'm not saying Injustice as a WHOLE is good but the early parts with Superman slowly letting go of that restraint as he's being pushed over the edge could've been a really good look into the character

I think the real reason evil superman is interesting is that the more evil he goes the less evil the megamillion company and lazy author looks. All with minimal character interactions.

You think he actually reads these comics?

See the difference there is, he's referring to the passionate fans who've not just played the games, but also read the comics, watched the shows and movies (animated or otherwise) and basically made them ther whole lives. Meanwhile, Yahtzee's only going by his own experience with the plot and development of the past games he's played and reviewed leading up to this one. It's not hard to understand what he meant my man.

@@anthonydeadman I understand that he's basing his review off of his own perspective, and that's fine. That's why I tune in to his videos. But the problem is that he seemed to be looking down on longtime comic fans for demanding respect for the characters while wishing the game had respected Batman more. Like he doesn't realize that he actually agrees with the comic fans he's criticizing.

The last time we got an evil batman was some joker plot armor shit and they made him a god for no reason

Has Batman ever dealt with a doppelgänger before? As in another rich dude using his money to buy a powered suit and getting his jollies beating up poor people, because he only sees the superficial qualities of Batman and is trying to ape him? Given how old he is I’d assume that somebody came up with that at some point. And Lex doesn’t count, because Superman called dibs.

​@@cybertramon0012Actually, I think there's a few villains in Batman's rogue's gallery that count. But given how many variations we've had of that, I don't know how many started out that way.

That is quite literally where superhero’s originated. Something to sell comics and dolls to little boys. They are the male versions of Barbies

@@emilybarclay8831That may be where they started, but that doesn’t mean the medium cannot create compelling stories.