Supro Shootout: Vintage Tremo-Verb vs. New Tremo-Verb 1622RT

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Supro Shootout: Vintage Tremo-Verb vs. New Tremo-Verb 1622RT | Reverb Demo

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@TheGuitologist 8 жыл бұрын

The new Supros sound like a modern amp. They aren't 'bad' sounding amps, but they are voiced completely differently from the originals and have NONE of the grit, grime, or character of the vintage ones. If you can't get a vintage Supro to snarl with overdrive when cranked, you're not hitting it right, have weak pickups, or it needs to be tweaked or needs new tubes. With a Tele, that vintage Supro should be smokin' and growling. He didn't even come close to showing what they can do. I might have to buy a new Supro just to recreate this properly. This one seemed more like an ad for the new amps than a serious comparison. If we were after a serious comparison, we should get an equivalent vintage Supro with 2x 6973 that doesn't simply share a model number. Plus, why on earth are we close micing these amps? Stick an overhead in there and let's hear them in the room. Sorry for the rant. I just wish we'd ditch the slick production and obvious advert, and dispense some real information.

@fossilmatic 6 жыл бұрын

The Guitologist I think the new amp sounds pretty good. That’s why I came to this spot; to check out the new amp, not the old one. I guess for most people an old Supro is likely unavailable, worn out, a rats nest of wiring, unsafe and not suited to modern contemporary playing and performing environments (PA mic’ed/volume limited/pedal platform/“cleaner” musical genres). While all these things compromise what I remember from back in the day, they are realities for most buyers. I’ve seen your channel, so I can understand your perspective. But this video clip IS about presenting a current product and will be mainly viewed for that function. In a few years very few players would have ever heard a cranked plexi or Fender Twin in the flesh, let alone a Supro, but they will have ears trained by squillions of KZfaq videos. My Fender Twin will likely never be used again the way I used it originally, I am becoming reconciled to that and moving forward. Your experience with old amps wouldn’t be common, and I do envy you that. As a potential buyer, I found this video useful in the same way hearing old records formed my expectations of guitar amp sounds: i.e. probably manipulated and to serve the purpose of making music sound good. Finding out Black Dog was recorded through compressors and not even using an amp didn’t stop me trying to get those tones out of my guitars and amps. So, I don’t think the purpose here was really ever to educate people about old Supro amps.

@wildeman1253 5 жыл бұрын

Word, i have a '65 and it flat out screams. I dunno what's up with that one, this video definitely favors the reish.

@SupraphonicsSurfCombo 5 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I have an original one as well. This is just an add for the new one...

@jdl2180 5 жыл бұрын

The new one sounded ok but it didn't sound much like the old one.

@loveisrealdudes 6 жыл бұрын

Probably my favorite Review/demo of Joe's. He just seems really into it. Made me buy one.

@snorrevonflake 8 жыл бұрын

I would buy a 5 Watt next thing tomorrow, no use for loud amps at my home

@christianmarchan6577 6 жыл бұрын

This is one of the best videos I've ever watched.. you played everything with the amp and it's great to see how it sounds like with a whole band .. thanks

@h2er80 9 жыл бұрын

Thanks Joe for the great review!

@nataroonytrontime3976 3 жыл бұрын

My god the sound I've been looking for! Thankyou! (The first riff)

@DSilvergun 8 жыл бұрын

My only beef with the Supro reissues is that the tube sockets are mounted directly to a PCB vs. chassis mounted for increased reliability.

@dugshooter5196 7 жыл бұрын

Dan S. Definitely an issue. They won't hold up. And to take such a cheap short cut yet price them the way the do. JUNK.

@benlogan430 5 жыл бұрын

They look cool and sound good but they skimped on the quality of the builds. In favor of a larger profit margin. Assembly in the USA not built also. My Supro guitar is cool and sounds great but needed much love to get it there. Cut the price by 30-50% and they are worth it. Got the guitar 50% off so wasn’t to upset but at the original new cost it would have been a return for certain. Got a USA made Peavey Delta Blues instead of the Supro Amp I was looking at. $300 yes!!!

@evetsiksatu 8 жыл бұрын

Such a great review. THanks Reverb.

@flammingcarrot 8 жыл бұрын

Great sounding reissue amp ... but the new one sounds absolutely nothing like the vintage one. Still nice sounding though.

@TheMasterMacc 8 жыл бұрын

The speaker is way older, thats also one of the crictical factors.

@Diax1324 7 жыл бұрын

Was about to say. I was reading a story about someone trying to replicate a customer's old supro amp (To make a copy that is quieter and more reliable with the same sound), and he struggled really hard until he put a really old and well used Jensen 10 inch speaker in the cab.

@erikvaldur3334 4 жыл бұрын

This just made me wanna hunt down an original. New is nice. Old one stomps on it though. When he played the country riffs, the new amp was close enough to my ear. When he played Communication Breakdown, the original was sooooo much nicer. Yes, partially the speaker no doubt, but the lower wattage and earlier components and probable difference in circuit just was not producing an equal tone at all. The tremolo isn't even in the same ballpark. That original trem was outstanding. The new amp trem sound can be had with most 75 dollar pedal you can get anywhere. Just my opinion. Thanx for a great demo.

@DENIEL381 4 жыл бұрын

IF YOUR A PRO AND KNOW WHAT YOUR DOING YES YOU CAN GET VINTAGE TONES FROM THE REISSUE.

@JonathanPierceBand 7 жыл бұрын

THIS WAS GREAT. PLEASE DO A VIDEO COMPARING ALL THE SUPROS.

@upshiftgaming5718 4 жыл бұрын

The new doesn’t sound like the old. Lmao you can see him hold back laughter when he does the tremolo and says “sounds rly great to my ear”

@jerryyeaaah15 4 жыл бұрын

they‘re never made to sound “like”the old model，they just make them w supro“vibe” and hella better quality 😂

@joeschlicht 3 жыл бұрын

Ha ha exactly, the old trem killed the new one. No contest.

@caferacer1979 6 жыл бұрын

Vox AC4 + Reverb pedal + Valcoder pedal and you nailed it.

@KenMickey 9 жыл бұрын

Well Done! Nice review and info session. As well as a guitar lessons to boot.

@Reverb 9 жыл бұрын

Thanks +Ken Mickey !

@simplehonestman4637 8 жыл бұрын

If I knew about the Supro then I would not have bought so many amps. Thank God for KZfaq.

@icobos 8 жыл бұрын

Friedman knows how to get that superb Supro sound. Well done Marty, thanks for the review.

@davidprince4248 2 жыл бұрын

I have a 65 Tremo-Verb. I put a G-10 Greenback in it and it sounds incredible. Better than both of these amps in my opinion. It doesn't have a lot of tonal variety, but it does what it does extremely well.

@ZachBroyles 9 жыл бұрын

Played one of these yesterday at Carter Vintage in Nashville. It was incredible! Not as loud as I thought it should be for 25 watts but the tone was KILLLLLLER

@Reverb 9 жыл бұрын

+Zach Broyles Love that shop. If you need a bit more volume, check out the Supro 2x10 Coronado. A couple of us at Reverb have one of those.

@paulboomer4794 8 жыл бұрын

+Reverb.com I am torn between the Trem Verb, the Saturn and the Royal Reverb! I am looking for a great clean reverb and tremolo, that can go to Rock, with or without an overdrive pedal in front, at low volumes! Any suggestions you have would be greatly appreciated!!

@paulboomer4794 8 жыл бұрын

+Zach Broyles Did you happen to play any of the others? I am looking for great cleans with reverb and tremolo, that can go to rock, with or without an overdrive pedal, at low volumes. I am torn between this, the Saturn and the Royal Reverb! Any input you can give would be great!

@jessemaes1990 9 жыл бұрын

Supro really did the term "reissue" justice. I really like the new and improved models. If only Fender would do a similar job on their "reissue" amps for a decent price. Too expensive and not even close to the original, let alone improved.

@Reverb 9 жыл бұрын

+Jesse Maes Agreed: RE: Supro. They're killing it. Have you checked out the drip-edge Princeton reissues? Those sound pretty great for the price.

@jessemaes1990 9 жыл бұрын

+Reverb.com I haven't checked them out but I heard good things about those. I'm pretty happy amp wise anyway right now, so I'm not really looking for anything ;-)

@transparentrocketpedals2021 9 жыл бұрын

+Jesse Maes I dunno, the '68 custom Deluxe has a real nice sound

@modestoney1577 8 жыл бұрын

+Jesse Maes I don´t know what you mean exactly with "really did the term "reissue" justice". Those two amps sound nothing alike. Fender has put out the Custom 68 Vintage Modified Series one year ago where did just what you ask for - a modernised take on classic old amps. Plus they have the Vintage Reissue Series that are reproductions of their older amps. They 68´s are in the same price range as the Supros. So basically all you said has already happened. ;)

@jessemaes1990 8 жыл бұрын

+Modestoney I haven't played the '68 RI you mentioned, but the '65 DRRI and Twin they are selling now for +1000€ are absolute shit compared to other amps in the same price range.

@k.l.stevens9968 6 жыл бұрын

I like this guy, I like his approach- straight forward without a lot of bullshit faces and gestures like so many others on KZfaq- good demo. I also agree with the a lot of what peeps are saying here which is the old amp is nothing like the new one tonally speaking that is... at least not to my ear through the computer anyway.

@fpapaleo74 8 жыл бұрын

Other great review! I love to see that amp in a band situation, cheers!

@user-hu6hi6fp9q Жыл бұрын

I own a 1964 Tremo-verb, It sounds amazing!!! Mine sounds far far better then what is demoed here. The speaker on the vintage Supro in this video sounds blown or just tired. This is obviously a demo to sell new Supro amps, I understand, but people< I will tell you, the old real thing is fantastic, and should never be confused with or for this 1622rt thing.

@benlogan430 4 жыл бұрын

Hard to compare the sounds because the old one has a sixty year old completely broken in speaker. New one sounds rad though. I’ll stick with my Peavey Delta Blues though, much cheaper in used land. Thumbs up!

@jamesha175 7 жыл бұрын

the very best thing about this comparison is the gibson SG with bigsby tailpiece.

@Achase4u 9 жыл бұрын

Great video. The recording at the end was great. Are those Miktek C7's on overheads???

@Reverb 9 жыл бұрын

+Achase4u Shure KSM32s. Great mics!

@Achase4u 9 жыл бұрын

+Reverb.com I should have known lol. I have several. I am always impressed with how nice they do on OH's. Detailed but not too bright. Just great! What was the recording chains for everything? Just curious. Great fat sounds.

@middle_pickup 8 жыл бұрын

Revelation Song? 3:17

@everonlyallforthee 7 жыл бұрын

Definitely same key, same progression! :D

@DanualMoon 6 жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly when I heard that!

@jakeschleifer1303 9 жыл бұрын

Didn't know Joseph Gordon Levitt can play guitar so well

@sixstringgypsy1 8 жыл бұрын

bahahaa- are we the only ones who noticed?

@sodastereo12345 8 жыл бұрын

More like Heath Ledger

@gusdupree9076 7 жыл бұрын

jake schleifer he didn't spend all that time on third rock from the sun for nothing

@nycLPplayer 8 жыл бұрын

either with a nice alnico speaker for compression would be awesome

@sunepedersen8537 3 жыл бұрын

Is it possible to get loud enough clean tones to play with a drummer with the new one?

@rjbron3038 8 жыл бұрын

Tremolo not as authentic as old one

@joshl149 4 жыл бұрын

The new ones aren’t point to point wiring correct?

@Makrai21 6 жыл бұрын

What song is it you play at 3.21? I can't remember the name of it..

@shckltnebay 8 жыл бұрын

Why isnt supro doing this type of comparison? Maybe I should send them one of two.

@larsheuker Жыл бұрын

Who do you think sent them the amps? This was marketing for the new release

@Cguy7 8 жыл бұрын

What tune was that at 6:50? It sounds SO familiar!

@Reverb 8 жыл бұрын

+Christopher Gooden "Crimson and Clover" by Tommy James and The Shondells

@boydskywalker 7 жыл бұрын

At first I thought it was Sweet Jane by the Velvet Underground, very similar progression!

@michaelanewman 8 жыл бұрын

I've played two different supros at my local store and they've had problems. Reverb didn't work on one and the other one had power issues fading in and out. I really like the sound of these but I'm not seeing them as very reliable.

@hazenpaul10 7 жыл бұрын

Michael Newman were they used?

@panhandlegeardemos6837 7 жыл бұрын

hazenpaul10 no, they were new. And this is Michael by the way under my other handle.

@panhandlegeardemos6837 7 жыл бұрын

hazenpaul10 I did buy one FYI. Had an issue with it but Supro has amazing customer service. The tubes for the reverb and tremolo were going bad in it and they sent replacements at no charge.

@hazenpaul10 7 жыл бұрын

that's very good to hear! was just wondering as I'm looking at some different supros for my next amp, they seem like fantastic amps.

@tablaturebutler2823 8 жыл бұрын

The "I Feel Fine" snippet sounded MUCH better on the older unit - but then, it has a well-broken-in speaker, and the new one doesn't. A better "vs" would have been with both amps playing through the same speaker...

@dugshooter5196 7 жыл бұрын

So what your saying in the only similarities between the original and the reissue are the name? Nostalgia is the only thing that these amps have going for them. Unfortunately they are poorly made. For example the over priced Comet has tube sockets soldered directly to the circuit board. For a little amp that costs $1349 that is rediculous. How long is that cheaply designed rig going to last on the road? Not very long after it gets tossed around a few times. These amps are $699 amps at best not $1200-1400 amps. Cheaply made indeed. Supro designers make an effort to build them like a tank and I will buy one. They do look great and sound good though, but they can not stand the test of time the way they are built and they are over priced.

@moses1202 2 жыл бұрын

I don’t know why but the reissued one sounds more like Vox to me.

@sunbrst62 9 жыл бұрын

Great demo and playing- just FYI the tremolo riff @ 5:00 sounds like CCR born on a bayou. Thanks

@OutLoudOutLoud 9 жыл бұрын

+sunbrst62 that's cause it is

@daveanderson5680 5 жыл бұрын

The old Supro is in need of attention. It needs something.....tubes, speaker, caps. I think Reverb intentionally chose a vintage amp that would make the new model more attractive

@martysquire1054 5 жыл бұрын

no, it doesnt need anything. Its one of the best functioning old valcos you'll hear. The modern one is a completely different amp voiced to compete with new ruined Vox et al. If you want it to 'wail' put a treble booster/ range master in front.

@nandoblondemobydick5438 5 жыл бұрын

no. the old one sound lot warmer

@bipbipletucha 4 жыл бұрын

Gotta say I prefer the new one.

@theThumbs95 5 жыл бұрын

I actually prefer the reissue

@Billywagner22 5 жыл бұрын

That's a serious V.

@pedalscapes 4 жыл бұрын

😎😎😎

@LordStompyHarpLoonyTunes 6 жыл бұрын

The old one sounds great, the new one is good...but not over the top great. I just scored a Laney CUB 10 on special for $375 Australian so I'm fine thanks

@fejneerg 5 жыл бұрын

They should have never tried to replace the 6V6. Everything else is nothing like a 6V6.

@shckltnebay 8 жыл бұрын

New ones sound sterile, also mine sound much better than the one used here.

@zeroceiling 8 жыл бұрын

Eric sin sinner ....how old is your speaker?...

@zayzay1236 7 жыл бұрын

For the low price of 1k

@whatyoumakeofit6635 7 жыл бұрын

Sounds Great but, As THEY say.......Just Doesn't Sound Like THE origional

@kevinwagner4076 2 жыл бұрын

The 1605 R sounds way better!!!!

@98JamesNixon 8 жыл бұрын

Built to last! Hahahahahaha

@dugshooter5196 7 жыл бұрын

Yeah right. JUNK.

@six97s 4 жыл бұрын

Reissue is a Trem-O-Verb in name only. You guys couldn’t source a vintage example with working reverb? You’re they eBay of the music world for craps sake. This was not a comparison. Was more like a “this is why you should buy the reissue”.