welcome to the brotherhood of bass :D

yoooo!! Oh yeah, it's seriously jam packed with tech!! A huge win for anyone with a space constraint real or WAF created lol.

You have 2 systems you lucky dog?

Awesome, thank you for sharing your experience.

Do it :)

Glad it was helpful!

oh yeah, the KC62 is like a "how the hell is that possible" kind of product.

@@NemoPropaganda The price also give that kind of kick 🤭

If he's got a small room the Micro will be great, it sounds just like an SB2000/3000 for the most part it just doesn't have the extension and SPL capability. But if he wants maximum bang for his buck the SB-2000 Pro def makes more sense.

ahahaha, thank's man!

Can you please share your room size and your front ends.?

Thank you bro!!! Yeah it's a tough one, If your room isn't too big though I'd roll the dice on a single 62 and see how you like it. In smaller rooms you don't really notice the active DSP unless you're trying to crank out theater reference levels of bass.

@@NemoPropaganda well considering that I'm quite happy with the SVS PB-1000 for movies only, I assume the KC-62 should easily be able to fill those shoes for movies at any listening volume i've gotten used to, and I feel reasonably confident that it will match the Imagine Minis far better for music. Time will tell.

@@yamafanboy Oh yeah, for the Mini's you really need something super quick like a pair of REL T5X, the KC62 should be good too but I actually think the T5x pair is better for that 4" driver.

@@NemoPropaganda I agree with you on the pair of REL T5X's or even the SVS micro pair for that matter but it's just that it has now become a (possibly unhealthy) obsession with owning speakers that elicit the reaction of... "there's no fkng way what I'm currently hearing is coming from that tiny speaker". As long as the KC62 sounds better than the SVS PB 1000 i'm good. If I ever achieve the personal growth required to move past this childish obsession maybe logic and objectivity will once again prevail in my audiophile journey lol.

@@yamafanboy Sounds like you need a KC62 then lol, that's defiantly going to give you that "what the hell, how is that possible" experience :D

There is a dropdown at the top of the app and you select which sub you want to adjust so it's really easy. I suggest you rename them so you remember which one you are adjusting :) It should be really easy and having a pair you can play with placement options like having one on the opposite side of the room, should help a lot in a desktop scenario!

ehhh apples to oranges but I will do it in a future video.

I prefer Audi over Mercedes, not everyone does though :)

I read your mind when I made the video 😁

2 KC62 would be awesome!! :)

Respect for staying until the end, I appreciate that :D

Yes, absolutely!

Both actually blend very well with the S400 but the S400 is very strong down to 30hz so you need a sub with as much extension and authority down low as possible. For that reason the KC62 is the easy recommendation here.

No it doesn't really work that way but in my experience subs with dual opposed drivers to seem to have a larger sense of scale.

Hi clearance, you are describing REL T5X! Or maybe even T7X, that's what you should go for. The Rythmik F12 is equally as good but being larger it will be happier at louder volumes, theres no sense in buying a 12" if you're only going to have the gain set 2-3 clicks up from zero. As far as how SVS compares I made a video about that you may find useful: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qKuqY5aJ0MnXnH0.html

Hey Elk, congrats, those DB3D are fantastic, expensive, but fantastic! Most people would generally recommend against mixing brands of subwoofers however having heard the DB3D a few times I feel something from Rythmik is a closer tonal match, like their F12 model.

I don't know if this is for theater or music but why not something narrow like the Arendal 1961 1S, that's 12.4" wide and gives you a 12" driver. As far as your question goes the T5X has better bass detail & texture while the Mirco will be able to play much louder and lower.

I covered that in the video starting at 15:50

100% agree, I just went boating this weekend, I even wear earplugs doing that. 80+mph of wind noise plus the sound of a 1000hp supercharged V8 behind you easily cracks 110dB+. I don't know how the rest of my friends do it without earplugs. And we're not just riding around for 5 minutes either, this is sustained 110+dB for 20-40 minutes at a time depending on where we're going.

@@NemoPropaganda Yeah dude, that sounds pretty loud! Wind noise is a thing, isn't it? I have worse hearing in my left ear than my right ear, and I am pretty sure it's from years of driving on the freeway with my window down when I used to smoke. PSA kids, don't smoke. You'll protect your lungs and your hearing.

On the wall you see dekeru polysester panels from amazon while the side and rear walls have GIK Gobo panels.

The KC62 is double the price so for good reason it is much better than the Mirco. The Micro can however play louder. Also make sure you hear those wharfdales first, I have a pair here, not my favorite by a long shot. Top end is very beamy and they require extremely delicate setup. Lastly they do have a good amount of bass on their own, i would maybe listen to them without a sub first, some people may feel they are good enough without a sub.

good to know I'm not alone!

@@NemoPropaganda definitely not alone! i take earplugs to bars or any live-music event! want to preserve my ears for the music...not the noise pollution.

Back in the day when I used to attend concerts on a regular basis as a teen, I used to try to find a spot to sit where it was not too loud inside the arena. After years of too freaking loud for my ears I just stopped going to concerts performed in arena's. I too am a low to moderate volume listener when spinning music but I do like to crank my 2.0 H.T. a bit.

If you don’t need the tiny size of Micro for sure get sb1000 pro. Sb1000 pro is still very small but has more extension and output than micro. 1000 pro is my favorite svs sub.

@@NemoPropaganda thank You for Your advise:) decision is made, I will share my thoughts after buying and trying it:) Keep doing what you are doing! Great work, I like your “sound taste” and that you remember that not all of people need and can have a big and very expensive stuff…it’s more like a great review and honest advise for random music and sound lovers :)

@@marcinmarcin4811 oh yeah brother, thats my goal, when I first started my entire system was only $400 :)

no way for me to know becuase every room is different. You would have to use a dB meter.

@@NemoPropaganda OK thank bro.

REL & SVS are very different, I made a video titled REL vs SVS which should help you decide which brand is better for you.

@@NemoPropaganda i tested one over the weekend in a shop. in a blind test , i am not confident if I could tell the t5x is on or not. It is that integrated, but at the same time much less wow.

@@marcwang4830 yup, that's what sq bass is all about, its wow factor happens slowly over a period of time.

I don't use splitters personally so I couldn't say. I'm not sure which channel you should be going into as each manufacturer could be different, I believe with SVS it doesn't matter but def email them if you want to be sure.

What's the Micro 3000 like with music? Can you hear a delay? Does it sound fast enough to you? Does it keep up with the other speakers?

@@adamswift1747 The Micro sounds incredible! Yes it is fast and keeps up with all my other speakers. Zero delay. The only downside is max volume. At times I wish I had more headroom but I'm maxed out. For 95% of my usage I never need more. I tell people who don't need the extreme small form factor, go with the SB2000. Same $900, same sound signature, more output/goes lower.

@@WWeiss-nv5vz thanks for feedback.

Hi Ben, I couldn't say as I've not heard the chario delphinus yet.

yes they do! it varies based on materials used but the suspension (spider) can loosen up and the adhesive that holds the surround to the basket can break down over time, usually around the 20 year mark but storage conditions, usage, and material choices can have a big impact on that. The cone intself and surround can also breakdown or degrade with age, usually you can see this visually. If it looks good and still sounds good I wouldn't worry about it too much. Oh yeah, and of course the plate amp ages also but I don't know too much about that, IIRC the caps can lose value with age.

SVS makes subwoofers very consistently (a good thing) so they all have a similar tonal character and sound so yes you can mix any of them. My only advice would be to stick with sealed or ported. Like you can mix the SB subs together or the PB subs together but you should not mix SB with PB. Also I think mixing SB1000 Pro with SB3000 will give you better results for less money. The SB1000 is still very small and is capalbe of more output than the Micro 3000 all while being al ittle cheaper. The Micro is expensive because its small, like a thin laptop.

@@NemoPropaganda Thank you so much for your extensive knowledge in this area.

@@rovd4433 anytime bro

Hi bro, I am not aware of any MK2 version of the Micro 3000.

eeeesh, that would be expensive. I think that Sub 1 was over $5000 at the time...

it means like "rock on"

@@NemoPropaganda I see thanks

That's a better question for KEF or the dealer selling it as I don't use room correction software myself :)

Hey Chicken! So I'm a big Focal user myself as I own both Chora 806 and Aria 906. Focal drivers are light weight and very quick, the Micro was able to keep up and blend well but the KC62 did a better job with it's magnesium drivers (that's no surprise). The lightweight CarbonGlas driver of the REL HT series was also an excellent match for the Focal speakers (tonally speaking) and gave me a little more bass detail than the Micro. Just curious but is there any reason you're not considering a pair of (or single) REL HT-1003? Sounds like you want a small sub that matches the Chora well and the line grain vinyl finish on the REL HT subwoofer is 99% identical to the line grain vinyl Focal uses on the sides of the Chora speakers :).

@@NemoPropaganda Haha, I don't believe I like glossy black as much as you do :P, my Chora is ivory in color. HT1003 was really high on my list but I prefer the look of SVS better. (aesthetic is as important), but I feel both HT1003 and KC62 has a slight edge over it now....Hmmmmm decision decision. BTW, would my size of listening area considered small in your reference for KC62? I love my Chora, I have own very few speakers for the past decade or so. My first pair is Focus Audio FS68, it sounds wonderful in the showroom but I never had the power to drive its to the potential. I then switched to B&O 5.1 (aesthetic aesthetic), but the sound gets "noisy" when too many action on screen. Then its my chora 816, which I like so much and I am more happy now using 2.0 and I am not looking back to 5.1/7.1. Oh, did I mention the fact that you are using 806 gives me much assurance? Thank you once again and... May the Forth be with you bro!

@@chickenceo And may the fourth be with as well brother! Ah if they're white then the white Micro or KC62 will match really nicely. If you are 80% movies either will be fantastic. The SVS is the better value but if you can afford the KEF it's gonna play lower and arguably has a value of it's own in the right circumstances.

@@NemoPropaganda I should let you know soon! Thanks!

Trigger pulled...Bought HT1003 afterall. :)

Hey Dean, the F12 is much larger so it's not a fair comparison but the F12 is undeniably better, if you can physically and alethically fit a larger sub (within reason) you always should. With these micro subs a good chunk of your money is going towards keeping things small while still having a good bottom end and decent SPL output for the size.

No I don't think so.

@@NemoPropaganda Thank you. Gonna purchase one soon

@@oluhamilton2121 woooo, enjoy!!!! :D

This is fantastic for how small it is but of course it cannot compete with a 12". Even SVS own 12" will be more powerful and with stronger bass.

Mmm yes I remember, sorry i left that out but it was for good reason, if you watch my REL T9X video in there I explained why these two brands should not be cross shopped. The presentation is very different on each.

@@NemoPropaganda Watched the Rel T9X video and I see what you're saying. I was more wondering if these micro subs like the SVS and KEF are faster and thus pair with my speakers better as some reviewers are implying. You certainly make the T9X sound good though. I've ordered the T5X and can't wait to hear it.

@@jonathanreich6360 better compared to their larger counterparts yes but the Micro 3000 is still an SPL-centric subwoofer while the KC62 is right in the middle. Both will offer up tons more SPL and pressurize larger spaces than a single T5X can and they will still sound good doing it. With respect to fidelity the T5X being an SQ-centric subwoofer will take that crown. You can have high SPL out of an SQ sub, it's just more expensive. Between SPL, SQ, and Affordability you can only pick 2 of those things. Rythmik gets the closest to giving you all 3 though a la the F12SE at $1149 if you can handle something larger. If you're not in the US expect to pay freight though.

Hey bro, I love SVS and I love Focal but they are not a good match with eachtother at all but if you really like SVS I think the SB1000 pro will best match the Aria and that comes in gloss white.

@@NemoPropaganda what would you recommend for Aria's around the same price and that can go nice also with movies? I am from Europe so Rhytmik is not an option. :(

@@xadrian23 I don't know EU prices but REL HT1205 or HT1003 or pair of T5X, or single T7X or T9X.

@@NemoPropaganda Got the HT1205 and it is fast enough for the Arias. It goes a bit lower than I really need :) . The only problem I have is with the crossover point, as sometimes I like 60Hz, but listening after few hours I prefer 80Hz. Not sure how to decide on this :(.

@@xadrian23 nice bro!! Personally I always keep the x-over of the 1205 at 9 o'clock. I think that's about 50hz.

music, movies, or both?

@@NemoPropaganda movies, but very occasionally listen to music

@@rynev3392 These Micro 3000 would fit the bill pretty damn well and you can make adjustments while you're in bed via the handy cell phone app so there is a ton of utility here. The baller choice would be a pair of KEF KC62 and my ultra budget choice would be the Emotiva SE8 though that won't extend as low as the other two, granted it's only $299!

they're super different, the 3000 micro is for the dude that wants maximum output from a tiny cube, its extension and output can't rival larger subs of course but its very respectable for the size where the T5X wont extend as low or play as loud it will instead have much better bass fidelity.

The ASW608 has very good bass note distinction and SQ, it's kind of like REL where you don't get a lot of power but you get really great SQ Instead. With the SVS you get more power and output but the SQ of the ASW608 is a bit better for sure.

I don't recall no.

I felt the two were too different and wouldn't (shouldn't) be cross shopped. Mercedes Benz S560 and a Porsche 911 GTS, they're too different to make a meaningful comparison.

because I've said the same thing a million times and even made a dedicated video on the topic of how REL compares to SVS. I make content for people that follow the body of my work, not watch a single video.

@@NemoPropaganda Man, but you already have comparision with KEF62, why repeat the same in this video? What is benefit of this video I don't understand. So I am not one who saw only single video, I watched almost all your videos and that's why I have this comment, but looks like you don''t like critics. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/obBiZMSbntzTfZc.htmlsi=Avg6FjSS3lUvKBei

Watch this video to discover which customer you are: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qKuqY5aJ0MnXnH0.html

@@NemoPropaganda good video.

should be fine, you can always turn it a little bit so both drivers are firing into the corners but It's so small I think you'll be fine :).

@@NemoPropaganda nice thats good to know, im using an integrated amplifier so wont be able to use bass management, whats settings would you suggest to go with my ls50 meta's? I want to use the app to its full potential but dont know where to start as there's so many different options to select 🤔

@@hclandscapes I would either watch my how to setup a subwoofer video or call SVS, they're really get at helping people get started, honestly I'd watch my video first though because I go over all the things to just ignore initially. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/l8CSrdmS09uXpnU.html

@@NemoPropaganda cheers man i will check it out 👍

The SB-3000 is capable of a lot more output than the HT1205. The HT-1205 is more comparable to the SB-2000 Pro. The 1205 has a tighter sound and a little clearer bass note distinction. The SB-2000 will have a more aggressive attack and much higher SPL capability.

@@NemoPropaganda Thank you so much for your insight!

Hey Bob, I made a whole video on REL vs. SVS and talked about the whole SQ vs SPL subwoofer topic again in the REL T9X video. It's not a topic I like to rehash very often as it requires a lot of context and explaining. Essentially nobody should be cross shopping these two brands. What they offer is totally different from eachother. It's like cross shopping a sports car and a luxury car, it just doesn't make sense.

I think it's a shame they won't respond to any of my emails so I can't review it, that saltyness aside it's a bit old now and I'd rather have something like the KEF KF92 (or KC62) at that price if I was looking for that kind of design and form factory.

​@@NemoPropaganda What a shame. You have awesome ASW608 review. B&W is producing nice sounding and looking gear. It would be great to see them more in video reviews like Yours.

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qKuqY5aJ0MnXnH0.html

From the amp? It radiates off the steel panel that wraps around the bottom but this is a cool running class D design, it doesn't generate very much heat. If you're referring to the voice coils the answer is the same and they are designed to handle the higher heat of a sealed design.

Will check it out!

if you build it they will come :D They tymphany driver the 16 UItra is based on is available for sale www.parts-express.com/Peerless-STW-350F-188PR01-04-15-High-Power-Subwoofer-264-1652 Four of them can be yours for $1820 :)

I don't feel there is an appreciable difference between the 3 with respect to transient response. They all have good transient response for their SPL capabilities and price points.

@@NemoPropaganda Always appreciate the feedback! SVS' lineup seems real solid, as if I can't go wrong in going dual subs with any of their models.

@@sleeper1023 yeah i mean they're popular for a good reason. Are they the best option for the discerning audiophile that sits in the middle of a perfect triangle? Probably not. Are they all around pretty darn good? Absolutely.

@@NemoPropaganda I'm putting together a 2.2 system for music primarily. Hope these guys integrate well!

@@sleeper1023 Pick your amp and speakers first, the sub should be last :)

The short answer is they can't and don't compare. The SB3000 is capable of a monstrous 127dB at 30hz while the Micro can manage a very respectable 105dB at 30hz. That's nowhere close and adding a second Micro will not get anywhere near the 127dB the SB3000 is capable of. And that's just SPL, the SB3000 can also extend lower. The reality is the Micro is an awesome subwoofer and supremely capable for how compact it is and a pair would have tremendous bass for how small they are but comparing them to something larger doesn't make sense. Easiest way to remember this is even the cheaper but still larger SB1000 Pro can put out 116dB at 30hz. If you have a space constraint or just want a small sub the Micro is one of the finest you can buy but if you can fit a larger sub just get the SB2000 Pro for the same price :). Sorry for the long reply, hopefully this answers your question in a meaningful way.

@@NemoPropaganda With all due respect, don't try and dumb yourself down to peons. Sometimes the answer take more than 140 characters to properly explain. That was not too long of a response at all. Just a little bit about myself, my car has a JL W6 12 ported in the trunk. So I know a little about subwoofer displacement. My interest in the 3000 micros has more to do with their WAF, not only from an aesthetic standpoint but also trying not to shake the rest of the house, while still truly enjoying the home theater experience. After all she thinks our Q950A soundbarin the living room has enough bass, so I'm kind of walking a fine line when it comes to home theater setup.

@@4fastdrs I think the Micro is perfect for you then, anyone remotely familiar with subwoofers & bass should be nothing short of impressed by what such a little box can do. The only one more impressive is the KC62 but that's nearly double the price!!

@@NemoPropaganda Thanks For your insight. $1500 for the KC62 Is a very hard pill to swallow in comparison to in comparison to 2 3000 micros, It's an impossible pill to swallow in comparison to the SB4000 also $1500. I honestly feel like dual 3000 micros will have people more impressed then having one massive sub . Where it definitely sounds amazing, but that's kind of obvious given its size . If people leave the house in amazement by what could be done with such a small set up I'm happy.

@@4fastdrs yeah the kc62 is hard to justify but I figured I'd mention it. let us know how the pair of micro work out for you, order soon though as the price is going up on october 4th!!!!!

Yup! lol, it's what I sit on in just about every video, HT-1205, it's brand new and I'm starting to wear off the branding, I need to start sitting on something else lol.

Well said dean! I'm currently enjoying a rather larger Rythmik FVX12 and it's definitely not the SPL ability that has me smiling, it's the extension and sense of effortlessness.

I am selling it but the 50lb weight could be an issue, shoot me an email and I'll get you a shipping quote. Keep in mind I did drill some holes to test fit the JL but I sealed them up with foam tape.

Do it!!!!!!!! And do some nice close ups so the people can see :D you know I be keeping that camera static AF lol

ahahaha, thank you bro!!

Yeah, I made a dedicated video for the topic so I felt it would be redundant, you can see the dedicated video here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qKuqY5aJ0MnXnH0.html

@@NemoPropaganda Thanks! I'll follow the link.

Then for sure I would spend the extra and go for the KC62.

@@NemoPropaganda thanks for the reply man. I have KEF LSX bookshelf speakers on my desk and I like to have some proper bass in my small room (really small like 7 feet by 12 feet) I was thinking about the svs 3000 micro and the KC62 because I have room restraints. The price difference between those two is really not that big as in the US, so I am leaning towards the KC62. Do you think they will work perfectly fine with the KEF LSX? Will the sub ''overpower'' those LSX speakers? I am searching my ass off on all kinds of fora but I cant find anything

@@zafert85 I've only reviewed the LS50 meta and found that it was very easy with subwoofer pairing and seemed to pair well with every subwoofer I tried. If you can afford both go for the KC62, you won't be disappointed. For the extra money it gives you insanely good low frequency extension even at low volumes and I think you will really enjoy that. The micro is also good but I feel like the KEF/KEF match is just a no brainer here.

@@NemoPropaganda Thanks again for the reply buddy, fucking love your videos. Yea I like to listen to music just like you, at a low volume, or not earblasting volumes. I like to feel the music at those low volumes as well like at 80 db. If you say the KC62 is worth the extra 300 euros then I might get one. I saw a demo model of the 3000 micro for 975. I still dont think that makes the gap big enough to go for the 3000 micro over the kc62. ps BMW's ARE drivers cars. Hell yeah

@@zafert85 thank you bro, so here's the thing, the Micro is AWESOME! No doubt about that, for it's price it's really good, I voted it best "all around subwoofer" for 2021. The KC62 is more expensive and worthy of it's price so my advice is if you can afford the more expensive one and it sounds like you can, then you should do it. But if you cannot then the slightly more affordable Micro is still very good and pairs very well with the LS50 Meta but the KC62 is it's natural mate and worth every penny. It's like buying a car, Honda civic and Honda accord are both excellent cars, Accord is more expensive but it gives you more for the money. Either one you buy is good but if you can afford the Accord you will be really happy you got it.

Will get back to speakers soon I promise :)

because speaker level inputs are a legacy connection (old fashion) and generally an inferior option. Most gear has line level output (LFE output or pre-out, or sub out) which is the superior connection method for subwoofers. Only super cheap amps lack this feature like Yamaha RS-202 so it makes good sense that only SVS cheapest sub has the cheaper connection option.

@@NemoPropaganda I do not agree. Many industry experts recommend using speaker level connections for connecting subs. Maybe you have separate preamp + poweramp system any do not have pre-out available. It is logical that with better/more expensive product buyer gets more flexibility, and more options, not less. This decision by SVS says to me they care much more about home-theatre than music lovers.

​@@ivanbogdaue my bro, just because a bunch of people say something it doesn't make it true. Facts are not decided by consensus. Who are these industry experts? The industry experts I talk to are the actual engineers that design the subwoofer and in many cases entirely from the ground up, plate amplifier and all. This is not my opinion, this is a fact: High level is a legacy connection and line output is the better and more consistent method of connection. Now if you don't have line output and high level is your only option then use high level or if you buy a subwoofer that is specifically designed and engineered to use high level like REL then go for it, outside of that everyone should be using line outputs.

Do you mean the reverse? 2x SB1000 are way better than a single or even dual Micros. If she'll let you do the dual 1000 pro do that for sure.

@@NemoPropaganda I doubt she would be happy with the price tag of 2 micros! ;-) But 2 SB 1000 pro's also would be pushing it, looking at how little space we have here. Physically it would fit, but I seriously doubt she would like it. I also have a problem with taking away the bass from my big floorstanding speakers; they can sound a bit muddy sometimes and preferrably I would want to pass the signal through the subs, taking away the bass and let the speakers focus on the rest of the sound. But then I'd probably need a Kef KC62 or KF92. My amp can't filter that out. (Stereo)

@@MarcelNL if you have a preamp/poweramp combo you can get the Emotiva SE8, that has built in bass management but it's via the RCA signal so you need a separate power amp. If the KC62 is in your budget its a badass sub and incrediby good and while DSP isn't mystyle you could always get a miniDSP to highpass to your mains and get whatever sub you want. Goodluck and feel free to hop in the free discord if you want anymore guidance, theres a ton of guys in there with a lot of experience. discord.gg/nemopropaganda

@@NemoPropaganda Thank you very much! :) I'm not really into Discord, but I could give it a try once I'm serious about making the step for buying a subwoofer / subwoofers. (First save some money for it! :-) )

What about them?

oh dear, you mean like dual 16 opposed like the 3000? That would be WILD! :D

@@NemoPropaganda yes

yo! what's up Hevy G!

are you just repeating something you heard someone else say? All woofers will take damage when struck by blunt objects, aluminum, paper, poly, doesn't matter. Most people I see don't run grills.

please use google translate, I don't speak Russian.

Oh no someone on the internet doesn’t like me 😭😭 how will i live with myself 🤷🏻‍♂️