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@@MaDuceRules 🙂

I own zero machines but I have to agree. It just seems like the cons far outweigh any advantages you get from putting it there. Coolant and chips get everywhere in a mill eventually.

Thanks!

Thanks! I cleaned for the video. LOL.

It’s in the works!

It's in a properly rated enclosure.

​@benargee I'm sure it is but it just feels wrong.

Perhaps you should take a look at the vids that Nerdly puts out, he only cuts tool steel only in his X7.

I would get the 4th axis if I was doing it all over again.

That might be a problem!

@@MaDuceRules How much chatter does it have? Say with a 40mm shell mill in mild steel.

@@platin2148 I haven’t used a shell mill on yet. Still getting tooled up. However I have run some parts that we ran on the Tormach. Cuts that would make the Tormach scream in the x direction there’s zero chatter on the Syil. We have had zero chatter issues with it so far.

Syil made a change and newer machines don’t have them.

It depends what you're making. I've just ordered a Syil to replace my Haas mini mill. For an extra £5k I can get a faster spindle, tool setter, fourth and probing and macros. With the Haas that would have been an extra £20-£25k and then only a 6k spindle not 12k. I only make small pieces that are mainly consumer goods; bits for keyboards and none pressurised diving gear. So for me going down from BT40 to BT30 makes no odds. Getting a real machining centre at the price I paid for the Syil would mean a 20 year old heavily used, high spindle hours beast: the risk of buying a lemon with that is high. So it's horses for courses really and depends what you make :-)

@@iDiveDOTtv Yes its true old used machine has its risks, I bought my Emco 300vmc as a faulty unit, but it was from university and mostly has cut air. 10000 hours powered and around 2000 feed hours. Iron is like new, not even any paint missing. One sensor faulty and one bad solder on spindle amp. Always a good idea ask around local colleges and universities if they are updating. Syil is a good option for startups and small shops, seems like ok machine for the price. Would not even consider Tormentmach. Haas, well its the way they run the business I don't like. They wont deliver parts for too long and everything is proprietary. I would go with Siemens Fanuc or some other dependable controller that has good parts availability even after 20 years.

Thanks! They are from octane work holding.

X7 100%! They are not in the same class of machines. It’s not even close. The tormach is a bench top hobby machine and the X7 is a true industrial machine.

​@@MaDuceRules ❤

Thanks! They are from Octane Work Holding. www.octaneworkholding.com

Thanks!

Chris, thanks! The X7 comes fully assembled and the enclosure is two pieces that are fully welded. So there are no screws or bolts like the Tromach, except where it bolts to the base and the column. Id rate the fit 99%. The finish is close to the same but there is a couple of spots that look like the powder coat is a little thin. Not really noticeable unless you're looking for it. Yup the three point leveling was a breeze. I went and visited a X7 that was in use at a company close to me. My first impressions were this is a serious machine and it looks great. LOL I ordered a machine before I left the companies parking lot. The purchase process is pretty relaxed. Ask question and get a quote. After that they will send you an invoice for the purchase. Thanks for watching the video and commenting!

Agreed! It not really a fare comparison. They are two different categories.

Eh. I'd say it's better but not 100x better.

15”

@@MaDuceRules What’s a machine with these specifications cost?

Its a 15HP American Rotary. Its the one Syil recommends for the X7. Here is a link to it on Amazon which is the best price I found. amzn.to/3LzxaVb

It’s different depending on your location. Just contact Syil through their web site.

M and MX Mills use ClearPath Servos. MX has BT30 spindle with rigid tapping etc.

It was 3K more than a 1100MX similarly equipped.

@@MaDuceRules hmm, I watched a vid recently and it looked like x7 was over 35k. Tormach 1100M without upper enclosure and tool changer (both can be easily done for much less once you have the machine) - was just 16k. I mean I understand that Syil much better machine, but for some people this difference might be big.

@@KyrychenkoAnton Bro the 1100MX was $38k + freight when i looked at it. 16K is the base machine with absolutely nothing and not the MX version, the crap version with TTS, steppers, no spindle encoder, etc.

yeah I know, but you can kinda start even with steppers and TTS though. I'm not sure about encoders, TTS has locking right? @@OtisFlint

Your word keep running on my head 😣 sad but true

@@Rokmononov I laughed to hard at your reply! So true though, you get what you paid for

But you don’t know what you’re getting with a used machine.

@@TrolloTV sure you do. You have it inspected, or you go inspect it yourself, or you do both inspect yourself and have the local mtd check it out. It's not that difficult.