I give a tour of the new Syil X7 and some of its features like coolant tank, chip tray, power supply, electronics, and control interface. And then compare the Syil to the Tormach 1100-S3.
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@hamzanawaz7945 Жыл бұрын
Tormach is for the nothingness entering hobby-milling And Syill is for hobbyists entering Industry
@MaDuceRules Жыл бұрын
100%
@hamzanawaz7945 Жыл бұрын
@@MaDuceRules 🙂
@easttexasengineering348911 ай бұрын
As a machine shop owner with 16 full size cnc machines, I will say The Syil is built just like a $80-$150k cnc mill while the tormach is built like a grizzly with a cnc controller. The engineering side of me thinks who in the hell would put the electrical cabinet access inside the cutting area.
@mystiquesquared10 ай бұрын
I own zero machines but I have to agree. It just seems like the cons far outweigh any advantages you get from putting it there. Coolant and chips get everywhere in a mill eventually.
@rustyshackleford9282 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video, that's a beautiful Tormach it has been well maintained you can tell. This is my first look at the Syil. I like what I am seeing and look forward you your other videos on it!
@SuperBooster0072 жыл бұрын
Great walk-around a lot of things you can't see via Syil
@MaDuceRules2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@dirtboy896 Жыл бұрын
That Syil is going to blow that tormach away
@tonydique45542 жыл бұрын
Great walk around, thanks
@NaterTater2 жыл бұрын
That thing is sweet! Awesome shop, how is it so clean?! Nice tour of the machine and some tips. Can't wait to see it cutting some metal!
@MaDuceRules2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I cleaned for the video. LOL.
@JayVon_Ro2 жыл бұрын
Wish I knew about Syil before I bought an 1100mx. Sorta jelly bout the new epoxy granite. Would of cost me the same minus probing. Thou I got a 4th, probing, tool setter, buck boost, auto oiler, skimmer, tool changer, 10k spindle and all the other upgrades possible, the syil would of been slightly better decked out with all that and a real mans Fanuc control.
@leslies2772 жыл бұрын
Wow! I want a shop tour video!
@MaDuceRules2 жыл бұрын
It’s in the works!
@pco19842 жыл бұрын
Inside the Tormach, the electric box is giving me the nervous.
@benargee Жыл бұрын
It's in a properly rated enclosure.
@mystiquesquared10 ай бұрын
@benargee I'm sure it is but it just feels wrong.
@AngelGdo6 ай бұрын
Beautiful shop!
@dmyegorov742 жыл бұрын
I have yet to see at least one X7 video where it cuts steel without chatter and crazy resonant sound.
@MrRctintin2 жыл бұрын
Perhaps you should take a look at the vids that Nerdly puts out, he only cuts tool steel only in his X7.
@ezekielswiss59562 ай бұрын
Can you do a comparison of a x7 and x5???
@maloyaircraft11742 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting. I have been considering one of these X7’s. Have you considered a 4th axis?
@MaDuceRules2 жыл бұрын
I would get the 4th axis if I was doing it all over again.
@platin21482 жыл бұрын
To get this in my cellar i would have to disassemble it completely.
@MaDuceRules2 жыл бұрын
That might be a problem!
@platin21482 жыл бұрын
@@MaDuceRules How much chatter does it have? Say with a 40mm shell mill in mild steel.
@MaDuceRules2 жыл бұрын
@@platin2148 I haven’t used a shell mill on yet. Still getting tooled up. However I have run some parts that we ran on the Tormach. Cuts that would make the Tormach scream in the x direction there’s zero chatter on the Syil. We have had zero chatter issues with it so far.
@TheFabricator032 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video.
@Freetheworldnow8 ай бұрын
I do not see much of a comparison coming out of this video. Not mentioning many specs... But I think that the Tormach is an inferior product with bad QC. Syil is promising!
@Bromo_Sexual7 ай бұрын
Those are some LOUD Fans. Do they offer quieter fans? 😮
@MaDuceRules7 ай бұрын
Syil made a change and newer machines don’t have them.
@MJPilote2 жыл бұрын
For the money, I would go with a used real machining center. Syil looks like more capable machine of the two. Nothing against those machines but you're going to out grow the small spindle in a hurry. Started with diy machine that weighs around 1.2t metric. It's accurate and all but lacks power. So it's just collecting dust and I use my Emco vmc300 for all the work.
@iDiveDOTtv2 жыл бұрын
It depends what you're making. I've just ordered a Syil to replace my Haas mini mill. For an extra £5k I can get a faster spindle, tool setter, fourth and probing and macros. With the Haas that would have been an extra £20-£25k and then only a 6k spindle not 12k. I only make small pieces that are mainly consumer goods; bits for keyboards and none pressurised diving gear. So for me going down from BT40 to BT30 makes no odds. Getting a real machining centre at the price I paid for the Syil would mean a 20 year old heavily used, high spindle hours beast: the risk of buying a lemon with that is high. So it's horses for courses really and depends what you make :-)
@MJPilote2 жыл бұрын
@@iDiveDOTtv Yes its true old used machine has its risks, I bought my Emco 300vmc as a faulty unit, but it was from university and mostly has cut air. 10000 hours powered and around 2000 feed hours. Iron is like new, not even any paint missing. One sensor faulty and one bad solder on spindle amp. Always a good idea ask around local colleges and universities if they are updating. Syil is a good option for startups and small shops, seems like ok machine for the price. Would not even consider Tormentmach. Haas, well its the way they run the business I don't like. They wont deliver parts for too long and everything is proprietary. I would go with Siemens Fanuc or some other dependable controller that has good parts availability even after 20 years.
@fdkfskfkvmk4412547412 жыл бұрын
Sweet machines
@MrRctintin2 жыл бұрын
Nice overview. I like the T slot guards, where did you get them from, and I'm assuming 16mm wide?
@MaDuceRules2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! They are from octane work holding.
@starfieldlive Жыл бұрын
x7 or tormack if you can use only one?
@MaDuceRules Жыл бұрын
X7 100%! They are not in the same class of machines. It’s not even close. The tormach is a bench top hobby machine and the X7 is a true industrial machine.
@hamzanawaz7945 Жыл бұрын
@@MaDuceRules ❤
@terenceganly17052 жыл бұрын
great video where did you get the t slot covers??
@MaDuceRules2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! They are from Octane Work Holding. www.octaneworkholding.com
@TrPrecisionMachining2 жыл бұрын
good video
@MaDuceRules2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@chrismayhew36512 жыл бұрын
Nice walk around vid, thanks. Looks like a 1/4 HP coolant pump, that should give a better flow than 1/8 (or 1/10) HP. It looks like a 3 point leveling system? that would have to be easier than a 4 point system. How would you rate the finish of the X7 compared to the 1100 ? Do the panels line up? Paint finish? - those first impression things. Any general purchasing experience feedback you want to share? I have an 1100 S3 and have been looking at Syil lathes.
@MaDuceRules2 жыл бұрын
Chris, thanks! The X7 comes fully assembled and the enclosure is two pieces that are fully welded. So there are no screws or bolts like the Tromach, except where it bolts to the base and the column. Id rate the fit 99%. The finish is close to the same but there is a couple of spots that look like the powder coat is a little thin. Not really noticeable unless you're looking for it. Yup the three point leveling was a breeze. I went and visited a X7 that was in use at a company close to me. My first impressions were this is a serious machine and it looks great. LOL I ordered a machine before I left the companies parking lot. The purchase process is pretty relaxed. Ask question and get a quote. After that they will send you an invoice for the purchase. Thanks for watching the video and commenting!
@mannycalavera1212 жыл бұрын
Syil is 100x the machine
@MaDuceRules2 жыл бұрын
Agreed! It not really a fare comparison. They are two different categories.
@sleddarcheddar2 жыл бұрын
Eh. I'd say it's better but not 100x better.
@goldcoasttime2 жыл бұрын
how big is the screen
@MaDuceRules2 жыл бұрын
15”
@goldcoasttime2 жыл бұрын
@@MaDuceRules What’s a machine with these specifications cost?
@Sam-wp4ps Жыл бұрын
What size RPC did u get
@MaDuceRules Жыл бұрын
Its a 15HP American Rotary. Its the one Syil recommends for the X7. Here is a link to it on Amazon which is the best price I found. amzn.to/3LzxaVb
@UmbriellSattori2 жыл бұрын
Tormach look like toy, Syil like serious machine.
@shansultan19952 жыл бұрын
how much price please
@MaDuceRules2 жыл бұрын
It’s different depending on your location. Just contact Syil through their web site.
@faisalsantos25742 жыл бұрын
Tormach still use stepper motor?
@steveh87242 жыл бұрын
M and MX Mills use ClearPath Servos. MX has BT30 spindle with rigid tapping etc.
@KyrychenkoAnton Жыл бұрын
Well yeah Syil is of course overall better machine, but it also costs twice as much as Tormach, so..
@MaDuceRules Жыл бұрын
It was 3K more than a 1100MX similarly equipped.
@KyrychenkoAnton Жыл бұрын
@@MaDuceRules hmm, I watched a vid recently and it looked like x7 was over 35k. Tormach 1100M without upper enclosure and tool changer (both can be easily done for much less once you have the machine) - was just 16k. I mean I understand that Syil much better machine, but for some people this difference might be big.
@OtisFlint10 ай бұрын
@@KyrychenkoAnton Bro the 1100MX was $38k + freight when i looked at it. 16K is the base machine with absolutely nothing and not the MX version, the crap version with TTS, steppers, no spindle encoder, etc.
@KyrychenkoAnton10 ай бұрын
yeah I know, but you can kinda start even with steppers and TTS though. I'm not sure about encoders, TTS has locking right? @@OtisFlint
@sleddarcheddar2 жыл бұрын
My question is why invest this kind of money in those when a used vmc which would wipe the floor with them would be cheaper
@mohdrifi19302 жыл бұрын
Your word keep running on my head 😣 sad but true
@itthus95522 жыл бұрын
@@Rokmononov I laughed to hard at your reply! So true though, you get what you paid for
@TrolloTV6 ай бұрын
But you don’t know what you’re getting with a used machine.
@sleddarcheddar6 ай бұрын
@@TrolloTV sure you do. You have it inspected, or you go inspect it yourself, or you do both inspect yourself and have the local mtd check it out. It's not that difficult.