Tacx FLUX 2 Direct Drive Smart Trainer // GPLama Loop-Back Review

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Shane Miller - GPLama

Shane Miller - GPLama

Күн бұрын

The TACX Flux 2 was first introduced back in 2019 and has been sitting in the queue for a Lama Lab Test for a few years now. Yes, it has been here a while. This week I finally unbox the now superseded FLUX 2 (replaced by the FLUX 2.1 / FLUX 2 2020) to see how it stacks up in August 2021 with the latest updates in the Lama Lab.
Video Index:
0:00 Intro
0:55 Tacx Flux 2 Introduction
1:44 Technical Specifications
3:16 Latest Firmware Information
3:32 Tacx Training App (Device Management)
4:04 Unboxing and Assembly
4:47 Sound Check
5:19 Zwift SIM/ERG/Sprint Tests
7:48 Data Analysis / Trainer Performance
21:03 Pros and Cons
23:47 Wrap-Up
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Пікірлер: 86
@jeremysweeten2792
@jeremysweeten2792 3 жыл бұрын
Had my Flux S since March & it’s flawless with TrainerRoad
@andreassiegenthaler9545
@andreassiegenthaler9545 3 жыл бұрын
I compared the power of my flux 2.0 with my assioma duos with very similar results as in your test. The greatest underreporting was in ERG mode in the small front chainring, it did considerably better when in the big ring. Although the accuracy was within 1.5% when just riding around in Zwift with the “trainer difficulty” at 0%, even at higher power numbers. The accuracy seems to improve with higher flywheel speed,
@frenzalrhomb1
@frenzalrhomb1 3 жыл бұрын
Hey bud, this is a great idea for content
@jeskli11
@jeskli11 3 жыл бұрын
Good reloop, Shane! Could you do a similar video of some older generation(s) Elite Direto? Thanks.
@DEXVD
@DEXVD 3 жыл бұрын
Would like to see a loopback review on the Saris H3, its at the top of my list but the price has gone up this year.
@phil9503
@phil9503 3 жыл бұрын
Found the same problem with mine, snatchy and all over the place. Great video
@cusebike5391
@cusebike5391 3 жыл бұрын
I found what the Flux is flawless at. It's now a doorstop in my attic. Good luck Garmin.
@trumptman
@trumptman 3 жыл бұрын
Kickr Snap gen 1 and 2 please. I have mine and largely use it with a power meter but feel like it is pretty accurate even without the power meter. However it would be neat to see how it compares with some fresh 2021 perspective.
@seanday8954
@seanday8954 Жыл бұрын
Shane, I have a Magene t200 (which is a updated gravat2?), which is better, the flux 2/2.1 or Magene t200? Appreciate any response.
@MrJonnyb120
@MrJonnyb120 3 жыл бұрын
👍Another great Llama video. Ps love those blue socks. What brand.
@gplama
@gplama 3 жыл бұрын
AliExpress socks. Search up cycling socks and they should come up. Only a few $.
@Bianchi77
@Bianchi77 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video, how can I know it's Flux 2.1 or Flux 2 2020 ? How about T2980.68, which version is it ? thanks :)
@andrewgordon6179
@andrewgordon6179 3 жыл бұрын
I have the original flux and it works for my purposes it’s fine. Only problem is the Bluetooth connection can be doggy sometimes
@brendonh.2227
@brendonh.2227 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t quite understand how a company that produces arguably the best trainer with the Neo series, can produce such a mediocre product line with the Flux series. Fingers crossed this lockdown is short, so you can see the sunlight again. I like this loopback theme on the older trainers.
@oldsquashmonkey
@oldsquashmonkey 3 жыл бұрын
Tried using the Tacx Training app to update/ calibrate and that doesn't recognise my Tacx Ironman !
@yvesmaczey9334
@yvesmaczey9334 2 жыл бұрын
I hope there will be a loop-back review of the Flux S soon.
@gplama
@gplama 2 жыл бұрын
There's a few in the queue before I'd get to that.
@derx6666
@derx6666 3 жыл бұрын
Wairing for the loopback on the kickr core, as I'm on the verge of buying one to replace my AWFUL Elite Novo smart wheel-on trainer. That thing is unreliable, inaccurate, laggy, loud, and just plain bad. It got me through the winter, but I'm definitely replacing it before winter season. Kickr core is just within budget, but I've heard the good, the bad and the ugly, so I'm curious of what is actually true today...
@StuWebRT
@StuWebRT 3 жыл бұрын
I had one which i sold to fund a flux 2.1, i am now just saving money for a new Kicker. even if you get a bad unit from Wahoo the support is very good and the issues were well.documented. the tacx experience that Mr Llama has just described was only just becoming apparent. and the gearing solution thing was just gob smacking. its a hard game unless you spend decent money or you are willing to accept a mediocre experience. If the only thing motivating you are the numbers then those numbers have to be consistant and reliable. this Tacx Turbo trainer offers neither when you want it most
@IdolOracle
@IdolOracle Жыл бұрын
Have there been any improvements to this device over the years? Because I get a heavy discount on Garmin devices through work (A lot of UK companies do now - so it's worth looking at your corporate perks! including blue light for any NHS) I can get this for £490 which is a big saving to the Kicker Core currently at £599 on Wiggle
@gplama
@gplama Жыл бұрын
I’d still choose the Core.
@matteo-silva-1974
@matteo-silva-1974 Жыл бұрын
Hi , could you recomend the purchase of latest version 2.1(for novice user) or shift to Neo version ? More expansive…choice
@gplama
@gplama Жыл бұрын
The Neo range are better units. If budget isn't a problem, go with the Neo.
@fariqazaha6321
@fariqazaha6321 3 жыл бұрын
Is there like a specific gear combination that these trainers will transmit the most stable reading at? I read somewhere that the flywheel spin needs to be high enough in order to get stable power reading. Is it true? For context, I'm using a 52-36 with 11-32 cassette, riding on a Kickr Core.
@gplama
@gplama 3 жыл бұрын
Usually it’s the small front ring and middle of the rear cassette. 36-39 on the front and 17 on the back. It’s about flywheel speed.
@fariqazaha6321
@fariqazaha6321 3 жыл бұрын
@@gplama Would it matter if I use eg. 52-15 instead?
@gplama
@gplama 3 жыл бұрын
@@fariqazaha6321 As shown in this video, at high flywheel speeds the Flux 2 can't hold the correct set-point. I'll go with a no on this.
@fariqazaha6321
@fariqazaha6321 3 жыл бұрын
@@gplama thanks! Stay safe Shane.
@hermananwar1536
@hermananwar1536 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry, any setting at tacx neo 2t for reducing the resistance ? as I feel that this is harder than riding on the road.
@gplama
@gplama 2 жыл бұрын
Make sure your rider weight is correctly set within the Tacx Training app (important if you’re using Zwift and Bluetooth). Next would be the trainer difficulty setting in Zwift.
@jahen65
@jahen65 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Shane. I’m looking at purchasing a direct drive home trainer and I have looked at the Flux S… but is it good enough??? I’m not a light rider at 83kg and absolutely not a wattage bazooka… What will your suggestion be? I’m also looking at the ELITE Suito, Direto or the Flux 2… Best regards Jannik
@gplama
@gplama 3 жыл бұрын
My experience with the Flux range really hasn't been ideal. The third Flux 1 was ok (iirc).
@jahen65
@jahen65 3 жыл бұрын
@@gplama Ok… Think I’ll go for a ELITE trainer then 👍 Thanks 😊
@andraslukoviczki519
@andraslukoviczki519 3 жыл бұрын
@@jahen65 buy Direto XR, that is ~630-650eur, with accurate power with OTS (just dont forget to calibrate it regularly/weekly), the Suito is ~480eur but only with power estimation and this estimation is not the best, and already not allowed in (serious) Zwift racing. And i think it is a good step for virtual racing and fairplay, the ZwiftPower is still full with fake power datas from garbage trainers, and with pathetic users who think that sustain 5-6w/kg for 60mins is real...
@timday8899
@timday8899 3 жыл бұрын
Would love a Saris Hammer loop back!
@dcolum23
@dcolum23 3 жыл бұрын
Wait a second… this was on the 2.0, not the 2.1? I own the 2.1 trainer and have never experienced drop outs. The one concern that I have is putting out more power than is being registered… meaning a waste of energy. But I can’t say that’s the case with the 2.1
@gplama
@gplama 3 жыл бұрын
2.0
@dcolum23
@dcolum23 3 жыл бұрын
@@gplama Gotcha. You'd think that some of the concerns you highlighted would be addressed in 2.1 ... especially since it's been out for a while.
@williamwalmsley2940
@williamwalmsley2940 3 жыл бұрын
What turbo trainer would people recommend for my TCR ADVANCED SL 1 DISC? The Wahoo Kickrs aren’t compatible as it has sram:( Anyone know of any alternatives?
@luismorales8701
@luismorales8701 3 жыл бұрын
i use garmin original neo w my 2021 tcr without any problems
@williamwalmsley2940
@williamwalmsley2940 3 жыл бұрын
@@luismorales8701 thanks:) just a bit unsure on it’s compatibility with trainers having seen the issues with the wahoo kickrs.
@elchram
@elchram 3 жыл бұрын
Should I wait buying a trainer or buy the kickr core? When are the release dates of new trainers?
@gplama
@gplama 3 жыл бұрын
Typically around Eurobike (first week of Sept). The last few years haven’t been typical. I don’t expect many (or any) new trainers this year.
@elchram
@elchram 3 жыл бұрын
@@gplama thank you!
@reinders86
@reinders86 3 жыл бұрын
@@gplama There have been discounts for the Wahoo Kickr Core left and right the last month or so. I just bought mine for 670,- euro last month.... The price of this machine was always the same at 799,- euro. I would not be surprised if there's going to be a new one very soon.
@gregorybalint
@gregorybalint 3 жыл бұрын
and i was willing to upgrade from the Vortex to this... guess i'm stick with the good ol' Vortex for a while. :)
@swapnil2620
@swapnil2620 Жыл бұрын
Im using the tacx flux 2 smart trainer & facing the power drops issue while using in the training. Can u help me on this issue Thanks in Advance
@gplama
@gplama Жыл бұрын
Best contact Garmin support.
@gabrielgrillo8050
@gabrielgrillo8050 2 жыл бұрын
Pardon my ignorance, I am totally new to the bike world, am I going to buy a Tacx Flux 2, do I also need to buy a bicycle computer? I understand that no, right?
@gplama
@gplama 2 жыл бұрын
No. 👌🏼
@xDonola
@xDonola Жыл бұрын
Hi 👋 How do you rate the build quality? (Like quality of the components, durability and assembly? Thanks and have a good day 😁
@gplama
@gplama Жыл бұрын
It's a solid unit. Now backed with Garmin support.
@xDonola
@xDonola Жыл бұрын
@@gplama Thanks for sharing your time, really appreciated. 😊
@baribari600
@baribari600 3 жыл бұрын
My first smart trainer was a Flux 1. It worked well for a month or two and then caused a ton of headaches for several months until I finally managed to send it back to Wiggle. It's a truly terrible design compared to the Kickr Core.
@multifrag
@multifrag 3 жыл бұрын
Could you do a loop back on NEO 1?
@gplama
@gplama 3 жыл бұрын
That's possible. Looks like our lockdown is being extended here again this week...... so I have the time! :)
@neilbuckley5796
@neilbuckley5796 3 жыл бұрын
@@gplama I’d be interested in that! I have a OG and it’s going on strong.
@yousufkazmi7842
@yousufkazmi7842 3 жыл бұрын
Kickr Core with Firmware 1.1.1 to PC using Bluetooth, but have had periods of ANT+ (long USB 3.0 for BT dongle to sit under the BB & towel ! ) Had to back off the over tight belt tension very early on after a trip up the Alpe and run a 100mm pointed at the electronics vents if I know I'm going to be riding hard, ie around threshold. I've done nearly 18,000 mikes on it and it feels great, don't do ERG so can't comment. Feel for the guys on Apple TV v1.1.1 was terrible for them .
@yousufkazmi7842
@yousufkazmi7842 3 жыл бұрын
possible Irony, took 3 reboots to watch this, a windows crash, then it found 2 win 10 Updates at the first 2 reboots...
@pam00088
@pam00088 3 жыл бұрын
Perhaps Tacx could loop back to looking after their own customer service...
@StuWebRT
@StuWebRT 3 жыл бұрын
you forgot to include Garmin Tacx repsonse on these issues which is that you need use your gears to manage erg mode ranges. there is a document which the ranges of whats that you need to use with gearing. i went from a kickr 1 to this and soo dissapointed. will be dropping on a new kicker this winter
@gplama
@gplama 3 жыл бұрын
Do you have a link for this info? They didn’t supply it with the trainer.
@StuWebRT
@StuWebRT 3 жыл бұрын
@@gplama It was a tacx link: Thanks for reaching out to TrainerRoad support. :) I'm sorry to hear about the troubles that you're having with your Tacx Flux. Let's see if we can get things to work a little better: Firmware - Firmware is involved in nearly everything that your trainer does, so it's important to keep it up-to-date. Let's ensure that the firmware on your trainer is up-to-date. Similarly, we should also make sure that the firmware is up-to-date on your Power Meter pedals. Calibrate - It's also important to make sure that we've recently calibrated both your Power Meter Pedals and your Trainer. We generally recommend calibrating both of them before each ride. Power Cycle - We can also go ahead and try unplugging your Tacx Flux for at least five minutes before plugging it back in. This can help to reset the trainer. Gearing - In order to maintain smooth, even power across all of your power zones, you should maintain a mid-ring gearing in the rear cassette, and either a mid (if you have three) or inner (if you have two) front chainring. Your chain should follow a straight path from rear to front. The Tacx Flux has a particularly tight range of wattages that it can produce based on the gear, check out this article for more information: Tacx FLUX Gearing [click] With this trainer, it may be necessary to change gears at some points.
@FixTwisterFader
@FixTwisterFader 3 жыл бұрын
Can you do a look back like that on the Elite Suito? Thanks for the content as always! :)
@gplama
@gplama 3 жыл бұрын
I'll see what I can do. That's one I haven't covered.
@Galaxieguy428
@Galaxieguy428 3 жыл бұрын
You beat me to it. I'd love to see how's others suitos compare to mine. I had the original Kickr '14 and got this after it died. I feel like the smaller flywheel makes a difference on places like titan grove.
@abedfo88
@abedfo88 3 жыл бұрын
I have the suito T and its been great, so much better than wheel on.
@Galaxieguy428
@Galaxieguy428 3 жыл бұрын
My first Suito was replaced because of the knocking noise (bearing). New one is great. Compared to my rotor Inpower they are usually within 5 percent of each other. Seems like the read closer when I run the trainer difficulty between 80-100 percent on Zwift. However that leads to a lot more front ring shifting on climbs. It's pretty good at ERG except at wattages 150 and below, seems to read much higher than my Inpower
@jasonm3699
@jasonm3699 3 жыл бұрын
@@Galaxieguy428 Yeah - I have a Core and a Suito side-by-side (we share 2 trainers between 3 of us) and the Suito's smaller flywheel makes a big difference on the rolling hills. It's much more of a "braking effect" versus "lost momentum" on the Core.
@thelmaviaduct
@thelmaviaduct 3 жыл бұрын
Kickr or nothing, if you like a stress free life.
@5mattcolour
@5mattcolour 3 жыл бұрын
Fond memories of Shane destroying the OG Tacx Flux 😂
@gplama
@gplama 3 жыл бұрын
The first was fun... blowing up the 2nd one of those was disappointing. 🤣
@5mattcolour
@5mattcolour 3 жыл бұрын
@@gplama bet Garmin will be sweating seeing you posting another Flux unit review 😰
@gplama
@gplama 3 жыл бұрын
@@5mattcolour I don't think they'll sit through a boring-ass 24 minute video of a three year old trainer. 🤣
@colinSTi
@colinSTi 3 жыл бұрын
Still no microspline body...
@gplama
@gplama 3 жыл бұрын
Not on this unit. The 2.1 and other 'native TA' Tacx units have a Micro Spine option. It's really bloody expensive though. (~AU$180)
@davidh7414
@davidh7414 3 жыл бұрын
I had to buy a replacement HG Neo OG freehub recently to replace a dead EDCO hub. $130 AUD!!! from Garmin.
@Dirk406
@Dirk406 3 жыл бұрын
When i do my workouts on this trainer it is so frustrating... You know that you are pushing to much, instead of the Z4 work you want to do you end up in Z5 and that's not how you properly train.
@gplama
@gplama 3 жыл бұрын
If power accuracy is important then you’ll need a power meter on your bike.
@christopherbeattie263
@christopherbeattie263 3 жыл бұрын
Kudos for still calling her Coco Cadence. W(ho)tf is Cara?
@gplama
@gplama 3 жыл бұрын
They changed her name when they found out Coco Cadence is the name of an author who writes steamy novels. (no joke...!)
@christopherbeattie263
@christopherbeattie263 3 жыл бұрын
@@gplama yeah I heard that story. So funny. My 3 year old (called Cadence) asks me if I'm riding with her everytime she sees me on zwift, so I'm happy either way. Just so long as they don't change her last name...
@dommasters1920
@dommasters1920 3 жыл бұрын
ping 127.0.0.1 ;)
@MrKensh
@MrKensh 2 жыл бұрын
gotta love those geek jokes!
@cyc00000
@cyc00000 3 жыл бұрын
These are complete heaps of shit. Power can vary by 60+ watts depending on what gear you're in and cadence VS a second power meter. People selling them are frauds. The ride feel is only good if you're happy with a 10-second delay. The unit crashes almost every time I use it. You may not expect perfection, you should however expect this heap of shit to actually work as expected. I use the on-bike power meter as the power source because this janky heap of junk is so unreliable.
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