Been there bro. Keep moving. Everyday take another step in the right direction. You know where you got to go

Awesome man. Keep getting after it, even on dark days, ESPECIALLY on dark days.

@ArmchairWarrior :)

Keep going man. Life can only go up from here

@Alexander Brown lol tell us why?

Hell yah. I cracked up when i heard him say that too.

LOL! I know.... I laughed so hard!

DEFAULT alpha.....

Haha

If enough people get together and agree to it than... FIRE YOUR BOSS ^_^

Naw just take ownership you decided to work a shit job.

@@austinlance7206 This.

I'd suggest you listen through the whole letter again, and take notes if you have to. A couple things worth notice include a COMPLETE LACK of even suggesting the writer had any culpability or responsibility in the whole dynamic. He just carried on about the complaints about this supervisor, and being two men down on his team...etc...etc... Then, we can get into "Exactly HOW does this guy offer his feedback?" Does he just wait until the supervisor starts pointing out how his numbers are down, and suddenly burst forth with an explative laced rant about being two guys down and whatever percentage of production is GOING to be lost by the percentage of the team that's NOT there? You do that and it's not going to be a friendly conversation... and it can very really get you fired on the spot. Does he (perhaps) consistently show up at the supervisor's desk with a laundry list of questions and complaints with the simple "...and I don't know what else to do." punctuation??? Bosses who expect team-work and thinking on your own really HATE to have a non-stop complainer who never offers a suggestion or solution, and a LOT of places that offer relative autonomy can't even function with a guy who has to go back to mommy and ask what to do next. Finally, and pay extra close attention to this point, this writer ASSUMES from his supervisor's supposed position and some background that the guy ALREADY knows enough to JUST automagically understand from his perspective... This could be a fraudian slip of omission. Assuming someone can already figure your perspective in an argument is presumptively holding them accountable for information they may not have. Sure, you both might be the same major in college and have the same degree, so a LOT of your educational background might be similar enough... BUT one of you may have also spent a couple years working as a Diesel Mechanic, while the other one only needed to work summers renting out golf carts at a country club... You absolutely CAN NOT EVER assume someone understands your position or perspective when you present an argument. You're better off to assume your boss is a completely illiterate and uneducated idiot, so you'll slow the roll a bit, break down the information into very easily manageable chunks and remember some practically universal parallels and metaphors for comparisons for him/her... Then WHILE you're presenting your "side" of the discussion, you can either ask if they understand it, or watch for a sign of boredom... Only rarely have I ever had to ask someone "Okay, boss... What is it that you don't understand?" Most of the time, it's not rocket-science to figure out someone "gets" the material as you present it. Especially when stress builds the pressure up, it's easy to lose track and get excited, usually too excited for your own good. SLOW DOWN!!! Make sure you're not racing in leaps and bounds while the boss is hearing a babbling moron spit out garbage that doesn't make any sense. I suspect, there's some culpability on both sides in this one. The boss might assume this guy knows or understands more than he really does, too... BUT that bit about "because he's a Business Manager I would think he understands my perspective" is clearly assuming too much... ;o)

@@puckhermes2474 Okay... "on paper" the hierarchy structure seems to look like "boss lays out orders, and workers perform those orders... period". In real life application, however, that doesn't tend to work well. I'll give you the same advice I've already posted. Listen to the letter Echo reads again... and listen carefully. This writer goes on at length to present his case, how incompetent he sees his "boss" (supervisor) acting... Feedback can be encouraged, and should be encouraged between workers and supervisors. Bosses aren't some kind of weird noble caste that sprang out of the ether to tell you what to do... They've been workers (most of them anyways) just the same. A supervisor or Boss, simply put, is a coordinator. It's up to Him or Her to see to it, the relevant workers on station don't spend energy uselessly running over each other and bickering about stuff not being on time... That's pretty much it. There's book-keeping for updating owners or stock holders on quotas and sustainable target figures, marketing... etc...etc..etc.. BUT the huge great service of a supervisor is that every step of an operation goes on "just in time"... for the next. This writer is still assuming the supervisor has exactly his own mindset and perspective in mind with his "method" of feedback, and like I pointed out, asking a question isn't an attack unless you're "Asking what the fuck else am I supposed to do?" quote-unquote... Admitting a shortcoming doesn't get you fired, and pointing out the simple math that two guys down from a five-guy team is a 40% shortfall in guys isn't necessarily a bad idea (just for the record)... BUT you should still approach this exposition to a boss with a modicum of respect. Not just ask flat-out, "How the fuck do you expect me to fucking get 100% quota with only 60% fucking guys?! Huh, asshole?" It's not "ass-kissing" to be able to point out the simple math without defaulting to a verbal assault... and I suspect this writer hasn't been entirely honest about his approach to "feedback" because almost nobody willingly admits to their own failures. We (humans) tend to write about ourselves as if we (authors) have no faults to admit... That's all I'm trying to point out... in a nutshell. More pointedly, no, there's no unraveling of hierarchical structures when a small employee approaches a BIG bossman with relevant feedback, whether questioning how things are "normally done" or just offering a "new idea" or "innovation" that might actually help out around the job-site. It's a tough market out there, and any innovation toward an advantage (normally) is greatly appreciated without regard to who or where it came from. You can't always expect a Boss to pointedly remark that YOU (employee) came up with a credible idea... BUT you can't function in today's market without new and fresh ideas for advancing the business your in, ANY business. ;o)

Get after it

If only Jocko would actually let him finish his thought.

Take ownership of your route. Turn right. EXECUTE.

@@JaegerRukajarvi Traffic ahead. Stand by to get some

Everything is temporary , what makes you think you have bi polar?

What are you feeling? Go to a pastor or a counselor.. or trusted friend

I have type two bipolar (meaning mostly depressed with with few bouts of mania). If you believe you have bipolar disorder, you need to seek help, I do not believe this is something you can self manage. Once you do find help, dont give up, took me 3 years to find the right medication to help mitigate my symptoms.

Thats interesting noted

Just goes to show that when your in front of a camera you have to sell out otherwise they give you the boot.

@HerrNilssonTheMonkey KZfaq is the boss and anyone using it, is subject to its rules. Hence the top comment walking on eggshells.

Agree, I also found it strange for them to be so careful about stupid gender talk

you both getting boring so we put you in a video game

Had a similar situation, but they didn't know it was me. They brought up the feedback I gave, all of which was constructive, in meetings for months after, always in a snarky complaining tone, never addressing the actual issues.

yeah really.

Seriously, that's not nice, is it.. most boys are retarded... Right?

No it's visio-spatial reasoning and mind mapping where men got better at in prehistory by their need to hunt and quest for new land.

Lol let them have their cake :)

A man who cannot surrender to his wife, does not deserve her. A woman who does not challenge her husband, does not love him.

@HerrNilssonTheMonkey circumstantially. You are also correct

life is hard in the universe