Talent VS Training: Could Anybody Race The Tour de France?

Talent VS Training: Could Anybody Race The Tour de France? | GCN Show Ep.400

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This week on the GCN Show, as the Tour de France action is heating up we take a look at whether it might be possible for any cyclist to get good enough to ride the Tour just by training hard. They say hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard, but is there any truth to that? This week, Si and Dan mull it over.
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@gcn 3 жыл бұрын

What do you think? Could anybody train to reach the Tour de France, or is it all about genetics and natural talent?

@KOMHuntTV 3 жыл бұрын

Bullet Bale could do it with a couple of weeks notice 👌👍

@brian_simmons_ 3 жыл бұрын

Of course pro athletes put in tremendous amount of work and have great discipline and work ethic, but without their genetics and natural talent they wouldn't be there.

@nathandickhof8734 3 жыл бұрын

Think it takes a bit of both

@alessandrocardona9991 3 жыл бұрын

I can, on my Triumph motorcycle 👍

@bstanoje 3 жыл бұрын

I train each and every day to catch at leest the end of each stage on eurosport on my way back from work and i can onestly say im getting faster with my škoda.

@geraldroebroeks5704 3 жыл бұрын

I once coached a guy who had the DNA but his parents didn't support him training hard so he quit while lesses athletes I coached went on to become Olympians. So it not just talent and training, it's also the environment.

@KOMHuntTV 3 жыл бұрын

Can anyone ride the Tour De France?.... Before watching I know this is Hanks next challenge 👍😂

@PaulingtonGoose 3 жыл бұрын

It wouldn't be the 400th episode without a well-deserved mention of the Cervélo TestTeam ;)

@Lesbisk1000 3 жыл бұрын

Seriously, these two guys are very talented presenting this show. I know we make a lot of jokes about these guys, but its so entertaining. Also exelent work on the "breakaway " Dan 👍

@gcnracing 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Dan

@newttella1043 3 жыл бұрын

Lloydy is always the butt of pro rider jokes. Jokes on all of us who never even got out of Cat 3.

@newttella1043 3 жыл бұрын

@Roald Shakleton Yes, It's sad really. All those masters racers getting busted at nationals, SMH.

@vladimirzorozlatic5512 3 жыл бұрын

OMG can't believe I just heard my name on the show thanks guys! CHEERS! Don't worry my development only got improved by encouraging me to cycle and stay active, watching you guys only helped to grow my love for cycling and I still do it every single day I can... Over the past years I've definitely grown as a person and cyclist and no matter where I find myself in life I'm glad I can always count on you guys to consistently put out great videos. I'm extremely lucky to have grown alongside the channel and you guys and to have been along for the journey which hopefully is just getting started. So many good memories have been made watching you guys. Sometimes I can still faintly hear the sound of Matt not clipping in first time, Dan missing the bean bag (or having too many mineral waters) and Si cleaning his bike and using WD40 (I've done it too...maybe the only bad thing you've taught me). But obviously can't forget all of the amazing presenters... Manon, Hank, Ollie, Emma, Conor, Tom, Chris and Jeremy. Love all you guys keep up the amazing work it affects people's lives more than you can imagine.

@philipcooper8297 3 жыл бұрын

Great show, lads. GCN inspired me to buy a road bike after years of riding a MTB. I already did 500km on my entry level BTwin bike, in less than 3 weeks after the purchase.

@brookes1911 3 жыл бұрын

Woohoo!! 🤠

@davidkubecka7571 3 жыл бұрын

I discovered GCN at the beginning of 2019 when I was in the process of choosing a gravel bike. Since then I've been watching all 400 GCN shows one by one and today I finally caught up. It's been a great and incredibly funny ride! Also I have to say that while I still love taking my gravel bike into quiet forest roads I recently bought a proper road bike and I'm riding that much more than any other bike I own. This is definitely at least partly thanks to the GCN channel which keeps inspiring me. Thank you guys!

@ianstewart8301 3 жыл бұрын

Happy 400! Thanks for all the great shows and informative fun.

@jonathanbisset8294 3 жыл бұрын

Well done on 400 guys!!! Love the shows

@workingguy6666 3 жыл бұрын

The general discussion from about 6:00 minutes to 9:13 was some of the best you guys have ever done. Very enjoyable to hear the insights from experience. But remember, guys - you both made it to the professional levels of team cycling, and that's not to be disregarded. Most of us still look up to the GCN presenters.

@denisspratt926 3 жыл бұрын

Lots of the Bahrain- McLaren team also wears Richard Mille watches. They are sponsored by them and have in contract that they should wear them in races. Keep up the good work.

@JosephRank1 3 жыл бұрын

400!!!!! Congrats and keep them coming!

@1stElement 3 жыл бұрын

Congrats on ep400!! Thanks for citing Ericsson and the 10k hours theory and not Gladwell. Spot on! A really well argued and balanced comment on ‘talent - you covered a lot of research and concepts here and did it really well. I love pretty much everything you guys put out but this is brilliantly done. Superb!

@caillou450 3 жыл бұрын

Gents, you have contributed to my growing luv of cycling and mechanics abilities. Many thx. And kudos to you to have survived 400 episodes.

@levbobrov1398 3 жыл бұрын

Congrats to all of you for 400th episode! Great job all around, really looking forward to the next 400! Keep it up!

@ninaanderson9016 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome guys. Congrats on your 400th show.

@jeffwilliams5355 3 жыл бұрын

Congrats on 400. Thank-you for over 7 years of entertainment. Keep it up.

@eski2250 3 жыл бұрын

Congratulations on the big 400 lads! I've only embarked on my cycling journey last year but, thanks to your help and advice, I'm now the owner of a decent road bike with an indoor smart training set up. I'm also training for my first century ride which I'm hoping to do on the 22nd of this month, spurred on by doing it for Cancer Research. Thanks for all you folks do at GCN, brilliant tips, advice and, most importantly, laughs!

@beab6457 3 жыл бұрын

Hi @GCN! I've been only watching your videos for the last 2 weeks or so, but I'm totally hooked. Congrats on the 400th episode!! I'm so happy I came across your channel (and remaining 398 episodes) before the winter :D Greetings from the Baltic coast!

@digitaldion 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for 400 informative, fun, engaging episodes! You are the cool dads of cycling! We have all grown up watching you!

@magicmitch5000 3 жыл бұрын

I've been on the GCN train for about the whole time and I can't wait to see what you do in the future!

@kedarkulkarni3030 3 жыл бұрын

Please don't stop gcn at all... congratulations on the 400 th episode...you people are great guidance for all cyclists.and also show us the play buttons

@jedisdad2265 3 жыл бұрын

Dan - Clearly a Monty Python fan, “And now for something completely different!”

@benjaminbenjamin7388 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much GCN

@biketrybe7071 3 жыл бұрын

Congratulations on the 400th show, boys. Great to see the OGs still in the studio. And, yes, you are old, Lloydy. But you made a world tour team training hard four days then eating cake and drinking beer. There's got to be some satisfaction in that. Looking forward to 500!

@RESolberg 3 жыл бұрын

Enjoyed #400. Good work 👏

@vincentpothuizen3606 3 жыл бұрын

You guys are GREAT! I love to watch your GCN Show!!!

@Pionirish 3 жыл бұрын

"High fives all round" says Si whilst doing two thumbs up. Perfect

@ianhorrabin7084 3 жыл бұрын

Brilliant Show today guys. liked this a lot!

@anyssen 3 жыл бұрын

Muchas felicidades en su episodio 400, sigan trabajando así, inspirando ciclistas de todo el mundo...

@hedleykerr3564 3 жыл бұрын

Happy 400th episode very cool!

@elmerkentcataluna5392 3 жыл бұрын

Congrats on the 400th ep

@riktye8800 3 жыл бұрын

Congratulations 🎉 on the big 400 GCN

@edwardscott9958 3 жыл бұрын

Brilliant show. Loads of laughing out loud at this episode! Watching Olly and Blake in extreme corner left me with tears of laughter. Here’s to another 400 episodes as entertaining as this one.

@gcn 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers, Edward!

@markward6387 3 жыл бұрын

Can't wait for the hill climbing one , started cycling 4 month ago at 39 I'm 2000 miles in and 3 and half stone lighter thanks for all the help gcn changed my way of life

@JonLeonardF10 3 жыл бұрын

400th show! Congratulations 🎉🎊🍾🎈, where the cake 🎂

@KOMRides 3 жыл бұрын

20:27 Over 40's eye test booked, Dan? ;-)

@uptown710 3 жыл бұрын

Lmao great editing on the chainkeeper announcement 😂😂😂 Si’s face

@sylvtan3098 3 жыл бұрын

It's been 3 years and I'll only comment this once to tell you guys, whenever I meet a new beginner wanting to learn more about cycling I instantly recomend you guys. Now were a big group of GCN students hahaha

@gcnracing 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@TheOriginalStevenH 3 жыл бұрын

@23:50 ahh.. the new GCN mustard bottle... just what I needed

@ajsds66 3 жыл бұрын

Congrats for the 400.

@gcygnet8817 3 жыл бұрын

Congratulations with the 400th show.

@brianschiff2934 3 жыл бұрын

Today at the TdF (Stage 10) at the second crash of the day, about 10 riders went down and most of them were waiting for there team cars to show up and the Mavic neutral support car just goes by and doesn't stop. It they don't give out the bikes after crash, what are they for? Is the Mavic neutral support car just a rolling commercial or does anyone every use one after a crash?

@jacobmolinnielsen5634 3 жыл бұрын

Great discussion. As a former licensed rider I will like to add mental toughness in addition to genetics and training. Maybe this is the most important skill to become a pro. I remember Mads Pedersen, the current world champion. During his young years on the TTs he would push him self so much that he actually threw up after the finish line. He recovered rather quickly and by the end of the day he was usually still no. 1.

@DAILARNER 3 жыл бұрын

That's a great photo of Blackstone Edge Reservoir (inspiration winner). Not always that calm. I've been past a few times dodging the waves breaking over the rocks

@TheWaxChainFanClub 3 жыл бұрын

400 episodes.... incredible. Well done everyone.

@doomedtolinger2213 3 жыл бұрын

400? Hardy sees possible --- Have learned sooo much! Thanks loads for all the content and please keep making super videos...

@d.k.cycling 3 жыл бұрын

Wow, Thank you for selection my photo on the Col d’Aubisque as a winner. 😁🇫🇷

@thomasgill223 3 жыл бұрын

Julian's watch at 2:00 reminds me of how I usually buy the cheapest (8 dollar) watch at Walmart although sometimes I will buy the next cheapest (12 dollar) watch when, you know, I'm Carpe Diem-ing, and that watch will look a lot like Julian's.

@Missouriflies 3 жыл бұрын

always nice work guys

@JeuneCyclisteDynamique 3 жыл бұрын

Caption: Even in these troubled times, Michael always has a smile to Schär.

@markacker3013 3 жыл бұрын

Chapeau for the 400th episode milestone!

@MrSmiththy 3 жыл бұрын

Happy 400th guys, always enjoy watching.

@tmbmtl 3 жыл бұрын

Kudos for this 400th show. You guys age well, nevertheless.

@andymiller3889 3 жыл бұрын

The best cyclist is the one having the most fun! I like to push my boundaries and get faster and faster, but does it really mean anything? Wear that Cervelo team kit proudly, Dan!

@cremenivea6282 3 жыл бұрын

That glass in the middle, well done gcn!

@timbob. 3 жыл бұрын

Oh I used to live near Cragg Vale, always used to photo my motorbike in that spot! Was always too keen to ride the descent to stop and take a photo of my bicycle up there though.

@luisdecastro5581 3 жыл бұрын

Happy 400th!

@tds4673 3 жыл бұрын

I like the tire grabbing grate on Norway's bicycle super highway in the second picture. Good thing it's actually in the travel lane and not off to the side, otherwise there wouldn't be nearly as many endos.

@spicypretzel7616 3 жыл бұрын

Hey guys, awesome show as always. Just as a little note the link to GCN en Français is missing in the description. Maybe you should consider adding it !

@markuswahl2281 3 жыл бұрын

The best guys on GCN!!

@maxs6775 3 жыл бұрын

A relative from.my partners side Rait Ratesepp completed 40 ultra marathons in 40 days ! And broke the world record for 20 ,30 and 40 days ! 184 km cycling , run a marathon and 3.8 km swim every day approximately 11 hours every day ! That is amazing strength of.mind ! Rait Ratesepp was never interested in sports until the age of 15

@johnpayne2465 3 жыл бұрын

Happy 400th lads! (and Manon)

@silviupanait8861 3 жыл бұрын

The "Cycling Shorts" intro always cracks me up, every single time.

@thepb77777 3 жыл бұрын

10,000- hours is the beginning, theoretically most bodies could do that, BUT the psychological condition drives the result, and 10,000- hours of psychological practice to train is unique.

@michaelthomas6419 3 жыл бұрын

Re Hack/Bodge earrings, I used to laser-cut inner tube offcut pieces for a client. They used to use scissors but asked me to use a laser as heaps faster.

@geromemanicia3809 3 жыл бұрын

Daniel Lloyd will always be my inspiration. If he can I can.

@ViveSemelBeneVivere 3 жыл бұрын

@0:25 The expression on Si's face on hearing of the return of the Grim Keeper!

@geospectrum 3 жыл бұрын

Lived in Norway for six years, the best thing for cycling was A. the scenery and B the cycle paths. The drivers were as bad as anywhere.

@chrisjenkins1 3 жыл бұрын

Caption: photographer: Smile Schar: You can't see my smile Photographer: Smile with your eyes...Holy crap..

@marcleber3702 3 жыл бұрын

Groupset candles and cycling poems. Just what my lady needs to get into cycling

@VitaminD8000 3 жыл бұрын

As my Coach stated: almost every youngster can reach Continental level after some time. Getting to Pro conti and further needs lots of talent.

@pbarr1935 3 жыл бұрын

Si & Dan, please keep these mates together. It just works every time. Always end up laughing my A off.

@thomasparmenter128 3 жыл бұрын

I had it with swimming. I improved massively from the ages of 11-14 and then after that I only made marginal gains. I was always the one trying hardest in every session and couldn’t really have put anything more into it and yet others who barely tried were still faster than me. Once you get to a certain level almost everyone is trying just as hard so it’s pretty much just natural ability that decides who’s best.

@foodforthought586 3 жыл бұрын

Caption - 'The face when you've just ridden a whole stage with a new saddle you wish you'd tested first'

@JamesBrown-qt2yr 3 жыл бұрын

Conceptually I invented the Norway cycling super highway some time ago for the UK. I would have used the canal routes for some of it though.

@TheWaxChainFanClub 3 жыл бұрын

I'm sure Si was glad of that perspex screen during some of Dan's name pronunciations.

@lexistential 3 жыл бұрын

a TON of professional athletes were born just after the age cutoffs for youth sports, because they stand out amongst the rest of their peers due to being older and having developed more, and are therefore awarded better opportunities and training thanks to being perceived as a better athlete, even though they could be even below average compared to where their peers will be at their age. slightly harder to translate to cycling, but it's certainly worth a look given its prevalence in other sports. edit: there's also probably the inverse effect, in that seeing someone beat you constantly due to being older could deter you from playing, since your training will probably only put you up to where they naturally are due to the age advantage. here's an interesting collection of this data from the USA's college sports regulatory organization www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/birthday-effect-college-athletics

@HumaneNewt 3 жыл бұрын

I've heard of this as well. Think there was a study done with ice hockey and it showed that people born on the edge of the age classes were getting double the training so would look better than their piers.

@stevenknapman1 3 жыл бұрын

I think I saw some analysis on English Premier League footballers saying that a majority have birthdays at the start of the school year.

@aklamo 3 жыл бұрын

@@HumaneNewt Malcolm Gladwell describes this phenomenon in Outliers, where he also misinterprets the 10000 hour "rule"

@nikolamartic1792 3 жыл бұрын

drive through wales in a day!...looks like Ollie and Hank become pro after joining GSN :D

@FlatSpinMan 3 жыл бұрын

Honestly, the joking, self-deprecating asides about the presenters’ own capabilities on the bike were amongst the most honest, important moments of GCN.

@luiscampos2458 3 жыл бұрын

Here's to another 400 🍻🍻🚴‍♂️💨💨🎂💯💯💯💯

@OGchickentnt 3 жыл бұрын

Caption: “You want to know how I got these scars?”

@natyrawilliams7433 3 жыл бұрын

The earrings are a cute hack and could actually be a form of creative art.

@tswdude2675 3 жыл бұрын

Will there be a blooper show at the end of the year

@feythtreader 3 жыл бұрын

CCCaption: “Nothing in the world can cover up such a sChärming smile.” 😁

@ethangormong7506 3 жыл бұрын

the tire sealant joke was the best part of this episode. "A white stain--from tire sealant"

@tomcorbett6219 3 жыл бұрын

Olly and Hank's challenges remind me of my childhood: the nerd doing anything to hang out with the jocks.

@forsnowboard 3 жыл бұрын

You should link all the studies you've mentioned for those we are interested in the topic. Thank you.

@JakeDaSnake2121 3 жыл бұрын

For the caption contest “ What the last cookie sees when I finish my long ride”

@asherbeal8357 3 жыл бұрын

Congratulations everybody! 🍻

@VeganSkater 3 жыл бұрын

conscientious is a personality trait (one of the big five) that is a very strong predictor (after IQ) of success because these individuals are more assertive about the work-reward relationship

@michaelsuppa4675 3 жыл бұрын

Some deep chirping going on between Dan and "Sli". Not sure if Dan is accepting he's slow-er or just calling out Simon's underhanded approach. Either way, you guys are entertaining and crossed the 10,000 hour mark early.

@MishMash95 3 жыл бұрын

I'd also be interested to know what difference getting into cycling at a young age makes. I was relatively active as a kid, but spent 7 years being sedentary before taking up cycling at 21. Figured I had average genetics, got to 270w FTP (4W/kg) quite quickly, in about 6 months, but proceeded to sit around there for 2.5 years on 8-10hrs a week training. Figured I wasn't going to get much further (peaked briefly at 280w in early 2019), perhaps a few more watts with very disciplined training and increased volume. However, to my surprise, since lockdown (past 5 months) I've gained 40w (310w FTP @ 4.7W/kg - confirmed with hour test) which has blown me away. Interestingly, my volume has actually gone down to an average of 6-8hrs a week but is far more consistent, hard and balanced. I've now re-evaluated my potential, it feels great going from feeling stuck, to actually feeling like I could push even further. My best 20 minute power was 330w, and based on how I felt from that effort, while I was dead at the end of it then, given I only cracked 20 minutes @ 300w for the first time in March, it feels like my hour power could be brought up to that and hopefully beyond :) Obviously still leagues away from the top guys, but I think a lot of people blame their potential on genetics, but I now see there's a lot to be said about training smarter. I would say that it certainly takes good genetics, but training should get you decently far. Age is another interesting equation, as by the time pro's reach my age of 24, they may already have 10 years of training in the legs, which will likely give them an incredible base, meaning that when resting and during off-seasons, they lose proportionally less fitness and thus can push higher after.

@chrisgilligan4968 3 жыл бұрын

Stay with it if you feel like you have some potential. You are still very young. Some of the physiological changes do take a number of years of consistent training to develop. If you carry on pushing yourself you will probably hit your genetic peak around year 7-8 of consistent training. I was a distance runner in my early masters years. I had run a little in high school, but not much after that until 21. I trained specifically for the marathon and found that there were a few proper leaps in development. The first one happened quickly like yours. The second on was probably around the 5 year mark and the last one was around the 7 year mark. After that there were still some gains to be had...but in much smaller increments and requiring a great deal more training and effort to achieve. My best times were in my mid-30's.

@xuchenglin6256 3 жыл бұрын

Agreed, some fitness adaptations take some time to happen, and enough rest also plays a great part in it. I came from a very unhealthy overweighted background before I started serious cycling, though I was relatively fit at high school and college playing basketball, but the office job and bad diet had destroyed everything... The “base” build for me is not very easy, and it’s not quick. For a long time I just couldn’t hold 30kph for a few minutes. But one day, it suddenly feels I can hold that for some time. And then the gains become quick, it feels like a barrier has been broken, everything becomes quicker and more noticeable... I now can average at 270 real watts at a local climb for 42 minutes, however it would take 1 hour a year ago. The physiology is a strange thing, it’s non linear and happens differently across people. Also note for us not “well-trained” cyclist, the strength of cardio-vascular part and muscular part is not always synced with each other, one may limit the other, you have to work both. Before I always hit max HR (near 200) easily and hold there for a long time, but legs are not exhausted, but now it’s the opposite, it’s hard to hit the higher end HR but the leg muscle becomes the limit, it always get tired before cardio. You have to dig into it and train smart, for us common “not well trained” folks there’s always some room to get there.

@HkFinn83 3 жыл бұрын

I feel like starting age is super important. I know too many good cyclists who were just hopeless at other sports.