VAR should be done by a Org that has nothing to do with PGMOL

Remove it var I hate it so much

SCRAP VAR. I’m a Middlesbrough fan who watches LOADS of premier league games with VAR. Even though Leeds scored an offside goal against us and we’ve had goals wrongly ruled out for offside, red cards not given etc, I would still NEVER want VAR in the championship. That tells you all you need to know. It takes so much more away from the game than it gives. Get rid.

I'd argue, it's the "matey" nature amongst the English refs that's causing the garbage use of VAR. They're having conversations like ... "I don't want to make him look like a fool out there", even when decisions are questionable.

It's not the accuracy of VAR that bothers me, it's the fact it's killing the game for the match going fans. It's just not the same product I have been buying for the last 45 years. Football is not a video game. I buying that instant joy of when the ball hits the net, a quick glance at the linesman, then absolute limbs. They are taking away the essence of what it is to be a fan, it's too sterile. I am seriously thinking of not renewing my season ticket this year, simply because with VAR it's just not the same product. If I want a video game I would buy a play station.

I said this. When the VAR said they couldnt tell if the ball was all the way over the line for the Newcastle goal against Arsenal i said before VAR the linesman would know if that ball was out. So the linesman didnt do his job because he thought VAR will get him out of it.

Like Darren said, refs have gotten lazy. Knowing full well they have 3 looking at screens to help them. But ‘clear and obvious’ on subjective calls. Makes it so VAR can’t step in because the center maybe in a perfect position to see the “foul” and not give it. So VAR can’t overturn that. And the 96% number needs to have clarification on what made up that calculation. One change I think should happen is: no lines for offside. Just a still image from the moment the ball leaves the foot. If you can’t see it with the naked eye and no zoom. It’s not a clear advantage to the offensive team. Cameras do not have the frame rate/capture speed to go down to the pixel of when the ball microscopicly leaves the boot, to tell down to the mm of the tip of a boot on or off. How wide is the line. Are you drawing it on the same position. Of shirt sleeve every time…etc And all audio between officials available in real time. VAR officials can never ref on field and no infield in the booth. Two completely separate organizations. So there is no “protecting their mates”

Darren is right they and the linesmen just don't want to make a decision anymore

I hate this stupid thing they keep saying, "96% of all decisions are correct" most decisions are subjective and VAR is saying the subjective decisions are correct, which ignores that various ex pros etc have said they disagree with. Such a misleading stat

@talksport. Do a poll of the fans. Lets see if the clubs are aligned with the fans

I don't understand why this discussion is so complicated. The problem people have is with the number of inexcusably incorrect decisions being made by the referees. There seems to be an ongoing agenda to protect the referees rather than admit they're just not very good. The solution is to get better ones. It really is that simple.

Justifiying VAR with "more number of decisions right" is not enough..does an offside (or a foul in midfield) have the same weight as a penalty? VAR mistakes are too many for big calls , of top of my head I can mention the recent on Anthony Gordon, the Onana with N Forest, the Odegaard handball Arsenal v ManCity., the one given to Havertz where he sticks his leg out...

The on pitch ref should be forced to watch a replay of important goal-scoring incidents as I'd guarantee that he would've overruled the VAR official and given the obvious Gordon penalty last night if he'd watched the slow-mo replay.

VAR needs to be mic'ed up like in Rugby. Then they will HAVE to clean up their act as atm English VAR vans are often a joke. Unsuccessful refs found a job and chit chatting in the VAR rooms like it's a picnic...

Darren is 100% correct, same thing happened in rugby when it was first introduced. Refs weren't trying to see everything because they felt they had a safety net beneath them, but where rugby only allows it to be used in mostly black and white decisions, football has a lot more technical things that VAR checks and the rulings around offsides and penalties ties officials in knots. They need to simplify the rules to make them easier to officiate games and VAR will improve, cut out these lines being drawn to the nearest mm it's ridiculous. But refs are avoiding making decisions in real time so VAR is the problem not them, not flagging for obvious offsides and dangerous tackles, hoping BAR steps in and says what to do.

Another big problem with Var is if you slow a incident down and you watch it on a screen it can make say a tackle look a 100 times worse than it actually was.

People not asking the right question. We should be comparing the high quality decisions before VaR and with VAR.

The problem with VAR is the stupid clear and obvious error rule. That’s a grey area that doesn’t need to be there. Get rid of that and I think things possibly improve. But, the referees in the booth need to get their decisions right first.

most long decisiones are offside ones.... with the semi automated offside, that wont be the case, so lets have VAR for a season alongside the offside technology. We cannot get rid of tech, that stops players winning penalties for diving, or getting away with clear penalties that should be given. Or handball goals, or handballs that actualy arent a hand ball it simply cannot happen.

I agree with the principle of VAR - and for me it isn't ambitious enough. I do not accept that Refs are able to decide a game by making decisions, which at times, are scandelous and indefensible. I want 100% correct decisions, and the only way to get that is by having a professional, and consistent application of a VAR system. The problem is that the officials implementing it are absolutely a) useless and b) inconsistent. In my mind, as I have said before, we need managers challenges. We should: - stop the current VAR review process, the back room team are far too often wrong and inconsistent. - Instead we should have a challenge system. 3 challenges per half, per team - to be made by one of the 2 managers within a set time (30 seconds?)of any given incident. - If a manager challenges any decision, then the Ref MUST go to a screen, watch the replay, and decide to uphold his initial decision or overturn. Whatever happens, he MUST explain to both managers s why he is making his decision. This conversation would be broadcast, on mic, for the watching world to hear. - By implementing this we would a) cut out the allegations of corruption from the VAR backroom officials; b) Put more power into the hands of the managers to challenge perceived unjust decisions c) Get live, and in real-time, justification of why decisions being made - d) Have greater accountability and transparency from refs e) We get the added drama of challenges and watching the conversation happen. f) the only downside that I see, is that it would add to the length of the game. But to clarify - I don't care about the delay....I just want decisions to be correct. Take the example of the Cucurella hair pull by Romero. We all saw it. The ref didnt give a foul, and Spurs scored. In this case, the Chelsea manager could have challenged, the ref would have been forced to look at the reply, and would have seen the clear hair pull. The ref would then have had to decide if pulling hair is allowed in the rules of the game. If he thinks it is, then he has to justify it, and explain his decision to the manager, being broadcast to the world..... the more likely decision would be that he would see that pulling hair is not allowed, and so therefore calls the foul, and ruled out the spurs goal.

they are not lazy, the truth is, they have lost their bottle. "Why should I make a decision and take the flack, when I can leave it to VAR and blame them", is now the attitude.

We would have more goals as milimtre offsides would not exist and benefit would go to attacker

VAR, is the football equivalent of a game of pass the parcel, or pass the blame as I prefer to call it. The referee won't give an on field decision, therefore passing the parcel to VAR. VAR, themselves can't make a decision, so tell the referee to look at the monitor, passing the parcel back. After 10 minutes of passing the parcel to and fro, both parties decide on the wrong decision anyway.📦

Refereeing in football has always been an art rather than a science. Its an almost impossible game to referee. Its a non contact that allows contact. Its a game that relies on the honesty of the players who push the letter of the law to the max. It's a game where nobody takes responsibility. Its a game where so much money is involved fans will turn a blind eye to their own players transgressions but villify other teams players. Its just got too big and everybody just defends their own fiefdoms.

U mean corrupted not lazy

Var should be able to come in and overturn all decisions, not just when it’s “clear and obvious” because even that in itself is subjective. The fact that they don’t even look at whether the ref got a goal kick/ corner decision is correct or not is a joke when you have var. just say in his ear, it hasn’t got to be 5mins looking at the screens

VAR is an objective tool in a subjective game. The language hinders VAR to only "clear and obvious". The ref for United game might have made a subjective decision and the convo between him and VAR left VAR hand tied. My problem is the transparency. The consistency will never be there in a subjective game but hearing the convo between red and VAR over the process of how the decision was made would help many at least. You will never make everyone happy so you have to understand just because it didn't go your way, doesn't make the decision incorrect.

Semi-auto offside technology Goal-line technology And while we're at it mic up the refs like rugby. Bang, done, simple. SCRAP VAR.

Even if more decisions are made right with VAR, the problem is that there are still blatant penalties etc. that are denied, which everyone around the world, the pundits, the players can see is a stone wall penalty. So the percentage means nothing when they’re telling the referee it’s no penalty and he doesn’t need to come to the screen.

Seriously....it doesnt matter if the stats included offsides, which made it 96%. They were decisions that VAR got right and if there was no VAR the offside would have been wrong. So it was a correct decision! You cant pick and choose the decisions to go into the stats

How about they tell us the stats without including the offsides as maybe the 14% increase is 12% offside decisions and 2% fouls etc

The refs aren't just getting lazy, they're scared now too, they don't have the balls to make decisions for themselves anymore

Doesn't change the fact that VARdrid will win the UCL for the next decade

How much of the 82% before VAR were marginal offsides calls? While offsides might be black and white under VAR, the benefit of the doubt went to the attacker before VAR. So, you can't really justify toenail or tight offsides in the past as incorrect or a clear and obvious error as they call it now.

Keep saying this, refs/Var need freeze frames or previous video evidence ready compare the live current decision whether it’s a handball. High foot like the pen Liverpool should of had which bent said about rice giving away a pen they were the exact same foul one was given the other wasn’t

Just look at how bad those wrong decisions are. Remove refs from var and just give clubs challenges, then incident shown to the on field ref

The problem with VAR is it’s way too complicated. Scrap all this ‘clear and obvious’ nonsense. Let the ref manage the game and only use VAR in the box areas for pens or goals. Is it good or not? Done. Offsides will be automated. We don’t need VAR in the middle of the pitch right now. It might lead to a goal but if the ref or linesman can’t see the middle of the pitch and make a right or wrong decision and live by it, we’re all doomed.

Conceptually, using technology to eliminate human error from refereeing decisions ensures that a result can be trusted to be the correct outcome free of ambiguity leading to fairness that is indisputable. Goal line technology is indisputable because the output cannot be subject to interpretation unless someone poured coffee on the hardware or a cataclysmic event changes the laws of geometry. Human interpretation has always been the problem and is the problem with VAR. Generative AI has evolved to a level that the same black or white output produced by goal line tech is perfectly possible for every single onfield decision with zero probability of error and zero human involvement. The ridiculous VAR setup is deliberate because 100% fairness, accuracy and consistency means games can’t be rigged, simple as that. Corruption has been interwoven into the tapestry of the beautiful game from day 1 and the ever increasing financial stakes means it exists stronger than ever and will always exist whether you introduce VAR, oust Sepp Blatter, or any measures that involve human beings

who decides the % of correct decisions. Some are subjective and deemed correct - the % is irrelevant. that is only offsides

Hawkeye is a tech that can work in football Var is a tech that is rubbish in football, it works well in rugby, as in rugby decisions are far less subjective, rules in rugby that get analysed by var are far less ambigious, meaning the player either broke the rules of rugby or he did not. In football so many decisions are subjective, and var just cannot fix that. Football should concentrate on technology where the decisions techs are responsible for in football are absolute decisions Like i keep saying, hawkeye should be used in football to do whether ball crosses the line, and offside, where ai can manage offside rules in games, as techs can be put in shirts and balls so that computers can instantly analyse offside rules and apply them. Then you can have a human just make sure if its a doubtful offside to make sure it is offside or not on important decisions Ai can do things like instant offside, with balls and shirts having chips in them, and censors on side of the pitch. Off course you would need redundancy if that system failed, so you still need lines people to run the line, just in case, which is called redundancy, as you never know when techs can fail. Football and techs should sit down and work out what techs can be used to do decision making where things are absolutely yes or no, ie rule broke, where its absolute Where decisions are subjective, only a real referee should make these instant decisions, and var should nto be sued, as we have seen video replays does not make refereeing decisions absolute, its still often subjective. Where decisions are not absolute techs should not be used, and referees should like before make these decisions instantly. There really is no way to make var work with subjective decisions, as humans are complex and football is a game where fouls can be complex. Var will never work in football, football needs to look at with techs what things techs can help referees where decision making over the game are absolutes, like ball over the line, and they certainly can design ai system to instantly do offsides. But for me, thats as far as techs should go in football Referees should be responsible for all decisions that are subjective, and just train these people as well as you can to read the game they are reffing as well as they can. Video replays has shown with var, that it has not helped refs make decisions. Video replays can confuse the way that fouling works, and on replays it can seem it was a foul when not, and vice versa. Fans would rather live with some bad decisions then see football be ruined by endless var interference. Its important decisions that matter in games, the ones that are game changing, and thats the only decisions fans care about. Also i would say one last thing, they need to bring back some sort of respect for referees making decisions, ie players and managers just accepting these decisions Before var, most fans did not care about decisions, and they accepted that refs make mistakes. For fans, the game is about emotion of watching there favorite teams, and destroying the emotions of the game for the fan is wrong. I am sure players also miss the enjoyment of instantly celebrating a goal. Messed up that so many times today, people have to wait to celebrate that emotion.

VAR must stay and evolve. Full and frank discussion with no obligation to the original decision. No VAR for offside unless inside the last quarter of the pitch, anything up to that point is on the referee. Time limit on VAR decisions, if no decision made within the time limit of possibly 20 seconds then the original situation stays. VAR came about because everyone watching football now has 4k tv and so can analise any part of the broadcast to the endth degree, if VAR is removed then you still have major decisions going the wrong way and everyone can see it.

The premier league teams need to stand firm & BIN IT! The game is awful now!

I think ofside technology should stay everything ells is to unclear ofside though no reason for it to go

the FA must demand better refs ,,every game ,,,they should be judged ...if ref is at fault ..a warning then lay off 3rd fired.

Watching at home & its still garbage although i have not been watching all year , totally give up on the sport , loving the UFC now.

Not sure if any sport has gone backwards after introducing new technology normally it improves with time so I’d stay with it and let it improve learn by the mistakes.

Get rid and please stop talking Darren Bent.

Life is not fair. Live with it.

Var isn’t the problem, it’s the referees, too casual and no action for there mistakes, JOKE

Liverpool would of won the league if it wasn't for VAR fact

Just shut the hell up!! Always the ref!! Show us then!! All these pundits/fans/ ex players, take the course!! Show us how to manage a game full of cheats, diving every challenge, without making a single mistake!! Players miss a ton of chances/ play awful but it’s always the refs fault!! I wonder why no player/pundit shows us how officiate a game perfectly!!! Only in football, it so pathetic, where fans/pundits slaughter the ref! Bet any money, people will still Moan when VAR is scrapped!! Anyone moaning, show how it’s done !!!

VAR should only be used for Offsides. everything else is an opinion and should be made by the on field referees

Madness that people can't understand that the rules of football down to interpretation and each ref will interpret the rules differently! You can't have consistency between games! If you accept that the rules in football are not set and are down to interpretation. Then by that fact you have to accept that each referee has there own interpretation and therefore might make a different decision = not 100% consistency between games!