I’m not an Everton fan, what sporting advantage have Everton gained by spending a fortune on a new ground? You do realise that with the fact that other massive clubs have got away Scott free, having already built their stadiums and squads is really what pisses fans off, and that’s not just Everton and Forest fans.

Is that Martin o Neil with a filter?

That guy is talking nonsense if he believes the PL have come out of it well. It showed there was no proper system in place. The punishment was made up on the spot. They look like amateurs. Richard Masters needs to be removed.

Everton building their 3rd ground in the city, losing sponsorship due to war , cost of materials going up due to war , 2nd lowest spenders for last 5yrs but their not mitagating circumstances, oh well

If you buy a business you can spend as much money as you wish to make that business a success, why is it so different when you buy a football club which today is a big business? Get rid of the corrupt premier league

The greatest rivalry in Talksport history is between Simon Jordan and anyone who represents or publicly supports Labour. Burnham, Rotherham, even Gary Neville. It’s so transparent. 😂

😂😂😂😂 prem looking good next joke

Maybe they should just scrap all these rules

This guy knows about as much as Simon Jordan, and it ain’t much

Simon nodding his head pretending to understand what’s going on.

Everton, people's club! 💙

Forest DIDNT fail the £105m. They failed the £61m because they were under different rules to every other team in the premier league

I'd love to know who this supposed football finance expert supports...

Simon's point, starting @13:25, is a good one: "pointing the gun at the Premier League is a ridiculous observation because the Premier League is upholding the rights of the other 19 clubs...it's the independent comission. [Pointing the gun at the PL] is sabre rattling from feebleminded people who don't understand the principles of what they are talking about, and it gets them currency...they won't read the summation or the appeal because it won't concur with their world view."

Premier league has come out of it well 😂. Worse part of it with Everton imo was when they referred them to the independent commission and then the premier league planted the seed by coming out in the media before the hearing recommending Everton get a 12 point deduction. Then you’ve got Man City who have 115 charges dating back 15 years ago and still one charge hasn’t been heard yet. If it was fair across the board with clear guidelines and punishments there would be no excuses for any club but it’s quite obvious it’s not fair across the league as premier league has there favourites 🤑

I am LFC fan but I dont want any club to be treated unfairly especially our brothers and sisters across Stanley Park who deserve better. Other clubs have done worse but received absolutely no sanctions. Monetary sanctions are not sanctions because more money than sanction is made when violating P&S. CL>$100M, PL>$50M, cups>$45M. But give $50M fine they still gain >$150M. I believe this may have something to do with our gaffer leaving.

This football finance " expert" wasn't he at city when they got 115 charges ?

What aggravating circumstances of our transfer business? We started preseason at the City Ground with 5 players, we HAD to buy players to just put 11 out on the pitch! 🤦🏻‍♂️

Is the point of FFP to help & stop clubs from going under? So why take so many points off Everton, which would only see them relegated

These punishments are too arbitrary especially with the emotions of football involved. They need to do it season by season and say for each £1m you go over PNS you lose one point. It stops all the arguing.

Martin O'Neill is looking shook🤓

That guy looks like Martin Freeman if you ordered him from wish.

Spot on Simon from 13 mins

Why are LEICESTER CITY offering to pay the EFL £3.5m for their breach of FFP breaches. Surely a points deduction should have happened, NOT A VOLUNTARY FINE.

failed to notice two of their 9 reasons for punishing Everton are legal incorrect. Everton got half the points deducted that the league wanted. In all measurable reasoning the league have been buggered into oblivion by Everton's lawyer. They tried to act tough to avoid an independent regulation and ended up proving it's is absolutely necessary.

With regards to ffp rules if there wasnt a punishment in place at the start of the season then there shouldnt have been a punishment? The points deduction has been made up and by who.

Did the premier league hire this spokesperson to do cleanup? Poor effort.

An appointed premier league board didn’t critique the premier league shocker. Here is an Everton appointed independent panel. They disagree ffs Man united spend recklessly every year (£120 mill) after player trading….hmmmm

But the charges that City are being punished for were under HIM. You'll Forgive me if I don't pay attention to someone who's as bad as moshiri when it comes to using a calculator

This same expert claimed Everton had no case to justify an appeal. Then when the appeal panel uphold some of Everton's case, the guy insists that they `got off on a technicality', so to speak. Complete lack of humility on his part.

So they get another 6 point deduction for the next breach meaning a total of 12? Or will they get punished more as its a repeat offence like in a court of law?

How can the commission use the EFL as a reference point? Premier League & EFL are 2 separate entities…..? I’m confused

If the sanction can never be more than 9 points ( i.e. worse than going into administration), then Newcastle, Man City et al, can spend whatever they want and only be hit with max 8 points sanction.

It’s not unprecedented, Sheffield Wednesday got a 12 point fine a few years ago. The rot set in and despite getting 6 points given back, the damage was done and we ended up in League One. Nobody cared about us then, so why should we care about Everton now 🤷🏼‍♂️

Everyone knew it was going to happen, so why the big shock??

Didn't Man City bin him off?

6 points is no punishment at all promoted teams may as well spend as much as they want and just take the point deduction if it's going to be less than 6 like forest

If the PL reasoning was made transparent it would quell all the noise . Its not so its dodgy . Simple

You ruined palace Jordan they nearly went bust

Soon 6 will be reduced to 3 and 3 be reduced to 0. 😂

This fella definitely works for the Premier League 😮

Why are they hiring the best KC when this is a sports rule issue, NOT a legal matter?……utterly preposterous,!!

Simon and this so-called Financial expert fail to articulate what the Spoting Advantage Everton gained is? There was no clear sporting Advantage. And the report also could not clarify this.

talks absolute wham this fella

Everton is a great club but they were never the victims. it's like if a person gets caught speeding and they're sentenced to death. There is no death penalty in UK law, especially for speeding or driving offences. they can only complain on the severity of the sentence. The PL isn't corrupt either. Everton breached rules THEY signed as a PL club and thus helped form!

It’s still not clear. Why can’t this be more transparent. £x = y pts. Surely, a simple mathematical formula could be applied, especially as the “recklessness” (as it’s being referred to in the article) is quantifiable. For example, if a club breaches FFP at the lower limit that equates to being penalised one win, 3pts. The upper limit is 2 wins, 6pts. Something like this is transparent and would give clubs a good reason to “tow the line” and fans the ability to fully understand the intended consequences. Deductions and appeals, like the ones we have just seen, make no bloomin sense and only play to the fact that there are NO clearly defined and understood rules. How can that be in a sport which is wholly based on clearly defined and understood rules?

Thank God for talksport..proper journalism this.. imagine gary Neville and carraghare understanding and explaining this..great stuff as always jim and Simon 🍻

It’s hilarious reading the comments after a 18 minute explanation re Everton, and fans do not understand… maybe it’s burner accounts of Winter etc I thought the explanations were fantastic.

What the hell is going on with Man City? when will they be held accountable?

Brilliant Simon unusual electric lips Simon Jordan quite getting educated 😂😂😂😂😂

Im not a fan of points deductions because i think it makes playing games pointless however if thats what there going to do if we are talking about sporting advantages lets look at man city they should be relegated if there going down points deductions route

Other clubs are not building a multi million pound stadium

An independent commission chosen and paid for by the premiership doesn’t criticise the premiership??? Small wonder. It’s corrupt to the core. This is payback for Evertons stance against the so called top 6’s breakaway into European super league.

Waiting for... talkSPORT to address the fact that Everton is the 3rd less net spender on transfers the last five years so NO the club havent got a sporting advantage, the whole argument is totally bs. The fact that the club is building a new stadium to be more competitive in the future ain't even a topic, this is the main reason for this. The whole case is based on the envy that Everton does get a proper stadium,fit for modern times and the fright from the so called big clubs that Everton will close the gap. The best thing about Everton getting a lower sentence is seeing Simon Jordan almost in tears. I bet he will cry and bite his pillow if Everton survives yet again.

Today's FFP don't work for club going bankrupt, need to go back to the old FFP rule that really helped the poor clubs avoiding greedy owners.

I’ll believe FFP works properly when City and Chelsea get their supposed penalties… we all now they’re getting off with fines and that there’s corruption at the highest level in the game, the soul of the sport was sold decades ago

Everton did not follow the rules that they agreed with other 19 clubs up front . What is making everyone jump up and down is other Clubs doing the same and the PL not bringing them to account

What about LIverfool, they nearly went bankrupt not so many years ago and got bailed out by Henry.

Council version of Martin O'Neil

What’s the point of having ffp and rules if they can change them by morning and bitching

Because Everton broke the rules.

Rules are rules but your changing them so why

Wheel out the guy who Man City binned off again and again.... He should get a job with the Premier League. They're well matched.

The amount of money should reflect in the number of points deduction and then multiplied by the level of deceit if any, to hide it.

Who does Stefan support out of interest?

Everton's breaches are not sporting advantages, they ended up going over because of certain reasons..1= lost £200m in sponsorship naming rights due to the sanction on Usmanov because of the Russian invasion of Ukraine..2= Gilfy Sigurdson was worth £20m on the financial books (players worth) so cos of his unfounded allegation for 2 years Everton had to pay his wages whilst not playing and when he proved his innocence he was deemed worthless on the financial books...3= Interest payments on loans for building Stadium which were not counted on Everton's books until midway through the building of the Stadium the Premier League changed the rules so the interest payment amounts are now set against the £105m your allowed to lose...4=Everton had mislead the Premier League with its accounts on purpose to dupe the Premier League into not going over by said amount which the Independent Appeal has cleared them off...5=Everton over the last 3 years are the 3rd lowest spenders on transfers...6=Everton have opened their accounts and books to the Premier League for the last 3 year's when they openly told the Premier League they were worried that they were coming close to breaching FFP...7=Everton have had to have permission for every transfer in and out they have made for more than £5m so had to get approval for each transfer by the Premier League...8=Everton have sold £140m worth of players in the last 2half years...9=Everton have spent less than £45m on incoming players over the last 3 years...Those are the facts to all the haters who think Everton have basically just taken the piss and deserved to have a bigger points deduction than for going into Administration and becoming Bankrupt and losing 100's of people's livelihoods and jobs + all the money you owe when you go into Administration get voided and not paid..And the penalty for that is 9 points GO FIGURE all you smartarses

this all stinks of a kid being expelled from school and Daddy with big pockets and a flash Lawyer steps in and magically it all disappears

Sunderland AFC 👑.

He got asked why the premier league pushed for 12 points and didn't answer the question! He garbled a load of nonsense about the prem and Masters coming out clean...Defo still working for the premier league, trying to gloss over the prems corruption.

I disagree with Stefan and don't think he should be on the show talking absolute nonsense. I would hate to think he has an agenda and his intentions are not neutral.

115

Everton broke the rules they need to relegate them

Not really.

Now Man City wont get the punishment they deserve

So answer this why arnt top 6 in this they are but the not so why are clubs like forest who belong in prem have a go an get punished why arnt top 6 getting done because the rest will be

Stefan is a man city advisor, of course his opinion needs to be taken with a pinch of salt.

When you have a KC who knows his stuff, he will work the system to avoid complicating a further outcome. You have to source a route that any commission cannot corrupt! Jordan can look as smug as he likes, but the arguments could never be made in the appeal due to legal bias, nuances and egos! The whole process and implementation of investigation/punishment by the EPL against Everton has been an Insidious, Stochastic Psyop operation to ensure the club suffered prolonged periods of uncertainty. A quick process would have allowed the club mentality to focus on the job entirely! A slow process is a slow burner on the human psyche! A slow process creates doubt, insecurity and fear among human beings! So they can passively dictate a human being's moral, physical and mental performance and hope for the best. I still need to pass the 4-minute mark! Four minutes into the interview, Stefan was a jibber-jabbering idiot after Whites' question! The EPL could not be criticised in the appeal decision if they wished to make the apparent narrative that the "4-point deduction" was applicable! The punishment results so far replicated the media reporting before the final decision! 5.55 There is always an easy answer: if you do not know, say so; too many times across all Global Social injustices, the rhetoric of it is "complicated" is all too common. It is also a default defence by those who understand the corruption and are either too stupid or fearful to state the truth! 7.00 The EPL is prosecuting on behalf of the other 92 clubs! What a 5h!t3 show, Jordan. Is that correct? Potentially, that position can destroy English football! Edit, apologies, Jordan stated the "19" clubs! Why did the scabby 666 get off with a self-imposed fine that could/may destroy grassroots football? There is no logic or consistency! Other than little brown Ching Ching! That is quite a statement: the EFL is English football's "Sick man"! Jordan lad, you are becoming obnoxious for clickbait! The EFL issue is the Forest issue! 10.00 Is astounding! It's the quietest January transfer ever; wait till the Summer window! This guy is stating facts, however...! The rules will change later this year! 11.00 Stefan again likes the Jibber Jabber narrative! I always loved Fools and Horses, and Trigger could have effectively explained the EPL case! We did hear from supporters of other clubs! 13.21 Stefan socially insults Mr Chong, calling him "Chong" as if he were playing poker, consistently blinking and wringing his hands. It is an apparent nervous behaviour. It would be a tell! 17.00 "Authority"! What a keyword that has become socially manipulated! Do the rules change later in 2024? The media predicted the punishments before the official announcement, which sounds like a kangaroo court!

Dont worry Arsenal coming back to help out Chelsea. This time 20-30M for any player of their choice, take it or leave it lol.

Win win for the narrative that the PL is following protocol but Everton r still going down when they get a 2md sanction 🤣

Clubs that get relegated this season from the prem are going to be well positioned to sue the prem league aswell as everton & potentially Forrest.

What do the FA want a premier league made up of teams like Watford and Reading?

Andy Burnham, a future leader of the Labour/ momentum party, is still not happy with not having the HS2, even after the costs going up by 100% !

Simon is so far wide of the mark. The other clubs only played Everton the same number of games as they played Man City, Chelsea and Newcastle. Simon does not understand how football works.

Who owns talk sport the same as sky Rupert Murdock. The premier league is biased just look at the referees and the farce that is var the only league without automatic offsides. Keep the top 6 on top and stop Everton having the same say as them.

Bottom line is no one forced Everton to waste vast sums of money on a bunch of highly paid deadbeats or a new stadium. They knew what the FFP rules were and failed to work within the parameters. They’ve admitted fault but disagree with the punishment. Get over it and move on

Pair of back slappers

😂😂😂😂😂 he is clueless

If forest get a smaller deduction for buying players when we hardly breached building a stadium I'm done with football. Corrupt!

looking good ? maybe get it right the first time not after an appeal they look even dumber that they went back on what they said imo

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaassssssss anyone seen Andy Burnham.

Jordanite = Top LAD Proper Clobber 💯

Get rid of ffp,and let teams that could grow do so,up the toon

Don't clubs get9 points for going into administration? It happened to palace years ago and Everton get 10 points for overspending fair enough new stadium on the way a bit naive but ffin hell the fa ain't fit for purpose end of let the fans vote for the benefit of their clubs

Spin doctor

Boo hoo poor Everton 😭 They breached financial Fair play but since Man City haven’t been punished Everton don’t deserve a punishment 😢😢

Who is this premier league shill? Absolute waffle. He’s definitely being compensated by the PL. This guy has no professional integrity whatsoever. There is no chance no other club have ever breached PSR before!! Not having that one bit!

Man Cheaty should be relegated.

Im an Leicester fan. We got mocked during the summer of 2022 for not buying anyone whilst everyone else was splurging everywhere. We followed the rules and got relegated. No sympathy at all for Everton, got off lightly if anything

Concerning Everton's second charge it should be just as Stefan Borson said that the possible sanction Everton could get would be at worst not more than 1, 2 or 3 points deduction. Imo the double jeopardy would be if those two seasons, for which Everton have already been punished by the first charge, would not be taken out of the equation, or taken into account, when the new penalty is defined. Good to hear that comment from an expert. It would be a real travesty, insult and injustice if Everton would get another, say 6 points deduction. It must be 1 or 2 points, if any at all, in maximum if there is any integrity and justice.

Jim white at the end saying 'understood' really did he. Because to me that was all pure ballocks and i still dont understand it or how you can constantly meddle and impact league positions without kicking a ball. Utter garbage but thats the norm for talksport