The Best Targaryen King - House of the Dragon and ASOIAF History

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Quinn The GM

Quinn The GM

Күн бұрын

Hello everyone! This is new territory for me, I've loved the ASOIAF for years now and wanted to make a video discussing my favorite Targaryen King of all time. Who do you think is the best king? What do you think of my pick? What do you think of #houseofthedragon so far? Be sure to leave a comment, as well as like the video and subscribe if you enjoy.
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00:00 Titles, Titles
01:07 This King's History
02:14 Reign of Aegon III
03:59 Reign of Daeron I
04:55 Reign of Baelor I
06:44 Viserys' Brief (Yet Effective) Reign
07:23 Why Not Jaehaerys I?
08:24 Tyrion's Mirror
09:13 Viserys II Was Westeros' Best King
09:51 Outro/Conclusion

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@jsephtes5456
@jsephtes5456 Жыл бұрын
I do hope the theory of Aegon IV killing his father is true, it really adds to how bad of a king he was, considering he robbed the realm of one of, if not its greatest king.
@fives.
@fives. Жыл бұрын
Almost twice if you consider Daeron II’s claim was like concrete yet Aegon IV threw the Great Bastards into the political mess he respresented
@jorgebersabe293
@jorgebersabe293 Жыл бұрын
Aegon IV hated his father. Why? Because Viserys was a workaholic, too busy running Westeros to even spend some time with his kids.
@jsephtes5456
@jsephtes5456 Жыл бұрын
@@jorgebersabe293 I don't blame Viserys for focusing on the kingdom, keep in mind Westeros and House Targaryen were still recovering from the Dance of Dragons. Besides, I still don't see how Aegon's (alleged) killing of Viserys is justified, even if he was truly neglected.
@AlgrenTheBlue
@AlgrenTheBlue Жыл бұрын
@@jsephtes5456 it isn't imo, and more than likely I would bet Aegon also poisoned Baelor the Blessed also
@sammulhall
@sammulhall Жыл бұрын
@@AlgrenTheBlue while it’s definitely possible that he poisoned Baelor, it’s less likely than him poisoning Viserys. Baelor was a religious nut and supposedly died of starvation after one of his famously-long fasting sessions
@Usernumber777
@Usernumber777 Жыл бұрын
Viserys returning to king’s landing who was believed to be long dead was such a highlight for the traumatized Aegon III
@joe9739
@joe9739 Жыл бұрын
While Daeron warred and Baelor prayed, Viserys ruled.
@Argos-xb8ek
@Argos-xb8ek Жыл бұрын
Also I find it touching how close Viserys and Aegon were to the point Viserys named his son after his brother.
@HisameArtwork
@HisameArtwork Жыл бұрын
awesome, more aegons. we just didn't have enough.
@paulraines9635
@paulraines9635 Жыл бұрын
Naming a Targaryen Aegon is just asking for a shitty king.
@tuplat5107
@tuplat5107 Жыл бұрын
@@paulraines9635 how so? Aegon I was great, Aegon II was quite bad, Aegon III was a mediocre king, Aegon IV was terrible, Aegon V was good enough and Aegon VI 'the young Griff' seems decent enough. So only 2 out of 6 Aegons have been truly bad
@paulraines9635
@paulraines9635 Жыл бұрын
@@tuplat5107 Aegon I was a sub par king, his sister did all the heavy lifting. Aegon ll and III were broken shells. IV was probably the worst of the Targaryens and Aegon V killed half of his family with wildfire. Faegon isn't a king, yet, so I'll withhold judgement.
@josetapia9606
@josetapia9606 Жыл бұрын
@@paulraines9635 There was another good Aegon after Aegon the Conqueror: Aegon the Unlikly, also known as Good Kong Aegon V. Also known as "Egg". The younger brother of Maester Aemond and the Granfather of Danny
@Spongebrain97
@Spongebrain97 Жыл бұрын
I think the only obvious error Viserys II made was pairing up his son Aegon with Naerys despite the two not liking each other. Aegon instead should've been betrothed to another strong house of the time
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
Wholeheartedly agree there, it created a lot of suffering.
@Spongebrain97
@Spongebrain97 Жыл бұрын
@@QuinnTheGM I think it's an interesting theme amongst the characters in the books where even though guys like Jaehaerys I and Viserys II were good politicians, they were pretty bad fathers whereas Viserys I, Rhaenyra, and Ned were bad politicians but good parents
@Mordred14394
@Mordred14394 Жыл бұрын
why was aegon iv not paired with one of aegon iii's daughters instead?
@captainvalourous6668
@captainvalourous6668 Жыл бұрын
@@Spongebrain97 "Good politicians but bad fathers" Why does this remind me of a certain 10 foot tall space atheist that has a hard on for anything thats aesthetically very religious and had fathered 21 galactic manchildren? 🥲🤣
@ZEFFENWULF
@ZEFFENWULF Жыл бұрын
@@captainvalourous6668 All hail his Grace the Emperor of mankind
@jrgenvellesen7800
@jrgenvellesen7800 Жыл бұрын
There is a case to be made that Viserys II was, if not the best King of Westeros, the most capable administrator and politician, and a really great statesman. Although, I will say I think Aegon III was a pretty good ruler overall. While he was not the most charismatic and suffered from a serious case of depression, he genuinely seemed to want the best for the realm and I think his peaceful reign was really needed after the bloodbath that was the Dance of the Dragons. Plus, while his sons were very flawed, neither of them was anywhere near as bad as Aegon the 4th was, so there is that.
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
Yeah Aegon IV is really the biggest blemish on Viserys II. Well said overall! Aegon III is definitely underrated as well.
@josetapia9606
@josetapia9606 Жыл бұрын
@@QuinnTheGM And he at least had one good Aegon as descendant: Aegon V the Unlikly, AKA: Maester Aemond younger brother and Danny's grandfather
@melkormorgothbauglir.4848
@melkormorgothbauglir.4848 Жыл бұрын
@@QuinnTheGM In my opinion Jaehaerys I was the best since he pretty much made the 7 Kingdoms one nation with his unification of the legal reforms and his ability to avoid wars civil wars and a make the people truly accept the Targaryens with him and Alysannes royal tours of Westeros the love of the people was theirs he was and still is the gold standard of Targaryen King's none ever rivaled him in the prosperity of his reign nor his ability to deal with plagues famines succession crises and his ability to rein in his vassals no doubt is he the greatest Targaryen though he is often forgotten for after his death the dance happens.
@davidebasile9422
@davidebasile9422 Жыл бұрын
@@josetapia9606 Aegon V is Daenerys great-grandfather in the books. This means that Maester Aemon is the brother of Jon great-great-grandfather. In the series they removed Jaehaeris II, son of Aegon V and father of the mad king.
@rubencid2575
@rubencid2575 Жыл бұрын
@@melkormorgothbauglir.4848 they were 6 kingdoms, dorne was not conquered yet
@princepscivitatis4083
@princepscivitatis4083 Жыл бұрын
Viserys II was the 3rd best king, behind both Jaehaerys I and Daeron II. Jaehaerys v Viserys is literally a no brainer. Even GRRM considers Jaehaerys to be the quintessential monarch. In his words "my favorite targaryen king". He even shares a birthday with Jaehaerys. People heavily underestimate the importance of the sheer network of roads he built (the Kingsroad, the Roseroad, the Oceanroad, the Riverroad, and the Goldroad). The entire North could've starved to death during the long winter that followed the Dance if it had no access to the Reach's grain via the Kingsroad. Jaehaerys had dragons, yes. But he seldom used them as quick fixes. F&B literally tells how he was forced to spend the better part of his time sitting on endless council meetings, entertaining diplomats from across Planetos and going for inspections of his many critical infrastructure projects in person. Not to mention Jaehaerys quite literally ended 2 Dornish wars without suffering a single casualty. His stats as a king is rock-solid. His stats as a parent? Not so much, but still better than Viserys II lmao. Viserys quite literally pulled a Tywin Lannister on Aegon's first baby momma that forced him down a spiral of depravity. Not to mention the suffering he inflicted on Naerys and Aemon (Naerys suffering under Aegon and Aemon being forced to bare witness). Even Baelor, who fuckin' hated women, saw the pain Naerys was undergoing. Jaehaerys did none of this. Even when it came to Saera, F&B clearly stated he was never the same again after the whole debacle.
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
That’s an entirely fair analysis! Well said.
@starlight0313
@starlight0313 Жыл бұрын
Viserys should've poisoned Aegon and saved the realm the Blackfyre Rebellions
@SpongeWatches
@SpongeWatches Жыл бұрын
@@starlight0313 it’s a lot to ask a father to poison his son 😅
@stormedcapone
@stormedcapone Жыл бұрын
@@SpongeWatches not when that son is a cunt
@SpongeWatches
@SpongeWatches Жыл бұрын
@@stormedcapone … yup even then
@MiguelLopez-yc2rh
@MiguelLopez-yc2rh Жыл бұрын
I think Jaehaerys had the best reign but Viserys II was the most experienced and well trained ruler of all Targaryens kings (although that doesnt mean he didnt commit mistakes like marrying Aegon IV and Naerys with each other).
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
True. If only Aemon wasn’t a Kingsguard.
@Eric-ly7jy
@Eric-ly7jy Жыл бұрын
Ever since i read F&B i have been preaching the viserys ii love, and now with the new show it has been in my head nonstop how good this guy was. Thank you for this!!
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
Glad to hear I’m not alone! I’m pumped to see him in House of the Dragon, even if it’s just as a toddler!
@Balon-Breakspear
@Balon-Breakspear Жыл бұрын
@@QuinnTheGM great video bud. Keep up the good work
@19Ledor
@19Ledor Жыл бұрын
“Viserys now that’s a name fit for a King.”
@drokifam9238
@drokifam9238 Жыл бұрын
Really an underrated king who died of a sudden "illness"
@daddy_1453
@daddy_1453 Жыл бұрын
"Poisoned by his enemies"
@GreyWasteTim
@GreyWasteTim Жыл бұрын
"It was a great year" I like this guy. He gets it.
@redjirachi1
@redjirachi1 Жыл бұрын
I think a sequel to House of the Dragon could be focused around Viserys. Through him we see him help his family from his big brother to eventually his one year reign in his own cunning way. Also with the seeds of the eventual disaster that is his son Aegon and his strained relationship with his kids grow. And the sequel after that would be about Blackfyres
@skyelerknight6509
@skyelerknight6509 Жыл бұрын
I think the viserys ii was a good king and if he had more time as king he would been the best king.
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
That’s an entirely valid perspective! I agree completely. Tough to beat Jaehaerys.
@eetretsim
@eetretsim Жыл бұрын
FACTS! 100% agree. Viserys II was the best king! (Baelor Breakspear was the best heir and Bloodraven is the best Hand with Barth as a close second!)
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
The realm would’ve been a much better place had Baelor Breakspear ascended the throne. Gone too soon.
@RandomKai27
@RandomKai27 Жыл бұрын
My headcanon is thar Viserys II was a great politician but a bad father, which was his fatal flaw. I think he did poison Baelor for the good of the realm, but that act planted the seed in his son's mind to do the same to him later on, which is tragically ironic.
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
I love that idea!
@MassielRoss
@MassielRoss Жыл бұрын
I agree with you to a degree, yes he wasn't the best father but you also have to remember he was 13 when aegon was born and 16/17 when Lara abandoned him and their children, not an excuse but you have to take that in consideration
@RandomKai27
@RandomKai27 Жыл бұрын
@@MassielRoss You're very right about that, I did forget to factor the sins of the mother as well as the father. Viserys II was such a badass at 13 I forgot he was only 13...kids raising kids...he did his best and just wasn't enough, but I should also hold Aegon IV responsible for his own nature because Aemond and Nayrs were very wholesome people.
@BurnsBrandon
@BurnsBrandon Жыл бұрын
really great insight here
@ItsPallasAthena
@ItsPallasAthena Жыл бұрын
finally, some love for my favourite targaryen king 🙏
@wingsofwinter2600
@wingsofwinter2600 Жыл бұрын
While I get that everyone has their own view on who's the best King, when you look at the events of the time and the difficulty, I don't get how anyone could say the best King wasn't Jaehaerys, he had to manage a Kingdom for 50+ years and kept the status quo peaceful regarding the Faith of the Seven, the nobles, the peasantry, and foreign nations. Having a good council and dragons requires a special type of perosn to fully use
@SIRslipperyasp91
@SIRslipperyasp91 3 ай бұрын
Two things work against Jaehaerys, first, the great council business really muddied the already muddy waters when it came to succession. Rhaenys should have been queen. Sure people would have been upset, even violently so, but Jaehaerys had dragons and the backing of half the realm, and there's no guarantee everyone on the other side would have been willing to fight a civil war over it. All electing her uncle Baelon did was set the precedence that the normal rules of westerosie succession can be broken when it suits those currently ruling, this only serves to embolden the power Hungary like Otto who seek to manipulate the rules to their benefit. The other thing that weakens Jaehaerys claim as the best king is that he unlike other contenders like Viserys II, or Aegon V, is that they accomplished all their feats without dragons, while Jaehaerys had a healthy monopoly on their use.
@HariKrishnan-kx1is
@HariKrishnan-kx1is Жыл бұрын
Jahaerys also had Queen Alysane, who was arguably a better ruler than he was. And also Septon Barth, who is smarter than any Grand Maester we have seen. I guess there's a good argument to be made that Jahaerys himself is a bit overrated. Viserys II had a lot less to work with and of course, no dragons.
@CritKhan
@CritKhan Жыл бұрын
Alysanne was a literal saint, people centuries later named their daughters after her
@daddy_1453
@daddy_1453 Жыл бұрын
​@@CritKhan That's not saying much considering people name their kids after lots of past figures in Westeros
@starlight0313
@starlight0313 Жыл бұрын
@Phantom Hey, remember Aegon, Aegon, Aegon, Aegon, Aegon, Aegon, Aegon, Aegon and Aegon?
@BlackWingGenesis
@BlackWingGenesis Жыл бұрын
Why was she a better ruler? Other than being a woman.
@Mcherri
@Mcherri Жыл бұрын
@@BlackWingGenesis because he actually listened to his wife they made decisions together well the best he could as king.
@alearnedman
@alearnedman Жыл бұрын
"And her spoilery husband" really got me
@Balon-Breakspear
@Balon-Breakspear Жыл бұрын
Dude this video is awesome I’m totally going to subscribe
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
Thank you! :D
@bensonfang1868
@bensonfang1868 Жыл бұрын
He actually does show up in HOTD as a baby
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
He does! I made this video when the series was only two episodes old lol.
@mysteryjunkie9808
@mysteryjunkie9808 Жыл бұрын
You give Stannis Baratheon some love at the end there was great
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
The one true king. ❤️‍🔥
@mysteryjunkie9808
@mysteryjunkie9808 Жыл бұрын
@@QuinnTheGM do a video on the Best Hand of the King Viserys II probably would win that too though Bloodraven would be a close number 2 in my opinion
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
Honestly Bloodraven might even beat Viserys. Hard to be more effective than Rivers. Takes after his grandfather that way!
@Argos-xb8ek
@Argos-xb8ek Жыл бұрын
Aegon III Daeron II are my favorite kings.
@RedRoseSeptember22
@RedRoseSeptember22 Жыл бұрын
So both Viserys's died of illness? Interesting.
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
Good point! I hadn’t realized that.
@Calchustler
@Calchustler Жыл бұрын
Third one needed a golden crown
@RedRoseSeptember22
@RedRoseSeptember22 Жыл бұрын
@@Calchustler Haha stop it :P
@RedRoseSeptember22
@RedRoseSeptember22 Жыл бұрын
@@QuinnTheGM Yeah it's kind of uncanny.
@Balon-Breakspear
@Balon-Breakspear Жыл бұрын
Great video pal. I really hope this becomes part of the show in like season 3 or 4 and ends with Aegon the unworthy. Aemon the dragon knight will be everybody’s favorite character. Dude was bad ass
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
One of the greatest knights in the history of Westeros!
@anitat9727
@anitat9727 Жыл бұрын
6:14. Probably not considering it was Viserys who likely saved his ass multiple times. Baelor was just mad.
@RedRoseSeptember22
@RedRoseSeptember22 Жыл бұрын
I truly believe the madness comes from all the inbreeding.
@anitat9727
@anitat9727 Жыл бұрын
@@RedRoseSeptember22 100%.
@HisameArtwork
@HisameArtwork Жыл бұрын
Lys? Interesting. Maybe in the HoTD show he'll be fostered by totally not Laenor. :P
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
Maybe the ship they sailed on was named after Laenor.
@HisameArtwork
@HisameArtwork Жыл бұрын
​@@QuinnTheGM LOOOOOOOOOL what a plot twist, that would be to much if Laenor came with the ship to save them, I'd be over the moon. do a theory vid about this hahaha XD
@loremastertimmy4048
@loremastertimmy4048 7 ай бұрын
It would be really cool i think, that they make laenor the oakenfist, or his brother in the show. Be cool to see Laenor being the one bringing little Viserys back, maybe hes fostering and decides to come back and fight and after the dance, goes back to get Viserys once he knows everything in the 7 kingdoms has calmed down, so many interesting ways that could go, always seemed weird to me why she wanted to send her 2 sons literally to another continent to be safe
@meeksvaughan1398
@meeksvaughan1398 5 ай бұрын
I get Henry the VII vibes this guy, intelligent King with a financial bent who turned cold after losing his wife but who is overshadowed by his son's antics.
@faisalkamal4319
@faisalkamal4319 Жыл бұрын
People disagree with Jahaerys Jahaerys - What color is your dragon
@mikedevaney3507
@mikedevaney3507 Жыл бұрын
jaehaerys the conciliator has to be the best king. One could argue he was more effective in establishing a dynasty than even Aegon the conqueror himself....and did it more or less peacefully. I love your video but come one its Jaehaerys
@angelaholmes8888
@angelaholmes8888 Жыл бұрын
Yes he was hes one of my favorite members in the targaryen family
@ladyvimto5546
@ladyvimto5546 Жыл бұрын
Viserys rules essentially through his own guile and brilliance. Jaehaerys co ruled with the brilliant Septon Barth (who writes the doctrine of exceptionalism and reconciled/disarms the faith) and his brilliant sister-wife Alysanne, who is the master of soft power! Without them he would have struggled in my opinion.
@Guinnessdrnkr1234
@Guinnessdrnkr1234 Жыл бұрын
Old king Joe was a god awful father to his girls. If wasn't for his blatant disregard for women I'd put at #1
@bobbyb9258
@bobbyb9258 Жыл бұрын
And yet he should have named his grandson Daeron as his heir, the realm would have then skipped the castastrophy of Aegon IV's reign.
@daddy_1453
@daddy_1453 Жыл бұрын
Haven't we learned by now that a Monarch naming an heir screws things up? It caused the Dance.
@thanos_karagiannhs5320
@thanos_karagiannhs5320 Жыл бұрын
The stannis part of the video made me subscribe 😁
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
THE ONE TRUE KING. ❤️‍🔥
@chingizzhylkybayev8575
@chingizzhylkybayev8575 Жыл бұрын
Viserys never brought Dorne into the fold though. Neither did his son Aegon. It wasn't until his grandson Daeron that Dorne was brought into the realm.
@faisalkamal4319
@faisalkamal4319 Жыл бұрын
There's only one only one king I meant to bent my knee to that's Stannis the mannis Baratheon
@lucassinclair2392
@lucassinclair2392 Жыл бұрын
But who had a better story thannnnnnn
@joe9739
@joe9739 Жыл бұрын
I can't follow him after the Shireen sacrifice (TV only). But that's on D&D, I can't see the real King Stannis doing that.
@faisalkamal4319
@faisalkamal4319 Жыл бұрын
@@lucassinclair2392 Bran the broken
@faisalkamal4319
@faisalkamal4319 Жыл бұрын
@@joe9739 yep
@Chill6063
@Chill6063 Жыл бұрын
Viserys II's back must have been sore from carrying the Targshits
@connorgolden4
@connorgolden4 Жыл бұрын
Viserys II was great there’s no doubt about it. He ruled while his brother brooded and his nephews warred and prayed. And his short reign was a glimpse of what could’ve been a second golden age like that of Jaehaerys…but his reign was simply far too short to be called the best. Jaehaerys is undeniably the best. Decades of peace and stability. Financial reform and prosperity. Making peace with the faith, getting them to to submit and disarm while making an exception for incest. Appointing wise councilors as listening to his wife and giving her autonomy. Creating a united code of law. Creating the ever so important kings road. Making reforms to King’s landing. Winning two wars against the Dornish in major propaganda wins. His reign simply isn’t comparable to any other Targaryen king. He’s the reason the Targaryens became an established dynasty. His house and Westeros prospered greatly under his rule and nothing comes close to it.
@GrimgoreIronhide
@GrimgoreIronhide Жыл бұрын
You say that a member of the crew found Viserys, but I think what you meant to say is: A member of the crew of the GAY ABANDON found Viserys while he was hiding as a cabin boy of the GAY ABANDON aboard the GAY ABANDON. He was then removed from the GAY ABANDON by the crew of the GAY ABANDON and shipped to Lys, which is a city, not a ship like the GAY ABANDON.
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
They better keep that ship name the same in the show.
@GrimgoreIronhide
@GrimgoreIronhide Жыл бұрын
@@QuinnTheGM The name of the ship GAY ABANDON you mean?
@chingizzhylkybayev8575
@chingizzhylkybayev8575 Жыл бұрын
What do you think about the fact that Viserys had Aegon when he was 13? That's pretty wild. In all likelihood, he made Aegon when he was 12.
@equusquaggaquagga536
@equusquaggaquagga536 Жыл бұрын
Poor V2 spent years in exile only to be hated by xenophobics and accused of murdering his nephew His family tore itself apart in war so this accusation is unthinkable
@dominiqueodom3099
@dominiqueodom3099 Жыл бұрын
I truly hope House of the Dragon ends with Aegon Reuniting with his long lost brother. That would be such an emotional moment to end the series with rather than have it end on a downer note.
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
Honestly it’d be the perfect moment to end on. I could see a final episode covering the entire Regency of Aegon III.
@dominiqueodom3099
@dominiqueodom3099 Жыл бұрын
@@QuinnTheGM just imagining that moment when his Family members Rhaena and Baela orchestrating gathering The King and the entire court to walk down to the docks for the return Alyn Velaryon,only to be shocked when he sees his little brother.
@samirmuhammad1781
@samirmuhammad1781 Жыл бұрын
Rhaenyra and Daemon's son :)
@Laramaria2
@Laramaria2 10 ай бұрын
He is very underrated. He would have been the greatest king in the history of the dynasty if he had had more time. I love Viserys II!
@shanaandshawn
@shanaandshawn Жыл бұрын
You gave an accomplishment to Viserys II, that he did not do. He didn’t bring Dorne into the fold, rather it was his grandson, Daeron II. Taking that away, that leaves him as third best king. Behind Jaeherys and Daeron, as they both showed excellency during peace and wartimes. Something Viserys did not have to do
@AlgrenTheBlue
@AlgrenTheBlue Жыл бұрын
YES, I love Viserys the 2nd, dude ruled the realm for years as hand, and if Aegon hadn't killed Baelor and Viserys the realm would have continued to benefit from Viserys
@juanpablomina1346
@juanpablomina1346 Жыл бұрын
I don't think that we know enough of his reign to make such a decision. He seems to be among the better ones though. One of his biggest issues is that he didn't prepare his succession very well (Aegon IV started a civil war), which seems to me like an important part of being a good king. Although the other good kings have big failings as well (Aegon I and Jaehaerys I have the same issue, actually). I'd probably agree that he was the better king (although with a big asterisk because of the lack of information), but more because of the failings of the other kings than because of his own accomplishments, which still seem very impressive.
@LittleHammer_
@LittleHammer_ Ай бұрын
No way Quinn lol!! He wasn’t King very long so idk if he even qualifies, and he was the Father of the absolute worst with The Unworthy. So my opinion is the best is Jahaerys, possibly Aegon the Conquerer. I liked Egg too but we don’t know enough about his rule yet
@loucypherdamorningstar
@loucypherdamorningstar Жыл бұрын
Was there a young Targaryen that locked himself as an act of rebellion? If so, can you explain what occurred, what calculated moves were made and foreign correspondents established.
@jeannebouwman1970
@jeannebouwman1970 Жыл бұрын
Actually there were 2
@loucypherdamorningstar
@loucypherdamorningstar Жыл бұрын
@@jeannebouwman1970 do you know which ones?
@jeannebouwman1970
@jeannebouwman1970 Жыл бұрын
@@loucypherdamorningstar aegon III and viserys in maegors holdfast, and jaeharys and alysanne on dragonstone
@loucypherdamorningstar
@loucypherdamorningstar Жыл бұрын
@@jeannebouwman1970 Thanks Think I was looking for the the Aegon III story
@tylerwade6539
@tylerwade6539 Жыл бұрын
I also saw similarities in Tyrion and Viserys II, their both sorta unsung rulers and peacekeepers.
@boxinsteadyeddie
@boxinsteadyeddie Жыл бұрын
Saving to watch later like six years from now when it won’t be a spoiler lol
@Knight860
@Knight860 Жыл бұрын
Sometimes the best people have the least written about them. Then again, Viserys II was the grandfather of the Blackfyre Rebellion by insisting on maintaining the Targaryen tradition of incest.
@mirayoquese8608
@mirayoquese8608 Жыл бұрын
My theory is that Aegon IV poisoned both Baelor and his own father Viserys in order to get the Throne.
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
That's a really interesting theory! If that were the case, why not poison Viserys II first or simultaneously?
@mirayoquese8608
@mirayoquese8608 Жыл бұрын
@@QuinnTheGM I guess that would have been far too suspicious. By waiting just a year to let Viserys properly reign, Aegon avoided being rumored as Baelor's killer, putting indirectly all the blame in his own father. But that sounds too much of a 4D Chess move for a character like Aegon IV... Maybe he didn't want to kill Viserys when he first poisoned Baelor. He was his heir, after all, the Throne would come to him soner or later. Maybe he just got tired of waiting after just one year and said "fuck it I'm already a kinslayer so". That to me seems more like an Aegon IV thing to do hahaha
@theelectricprince8231
@theelectricprince8231 Жыл бұрын
Aegon V is my favorite king
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
Another great choice! Definitely one of the best kings, especially for the small folk.
@ninacaracol
@ninacaracol Жыл бұрын
I think the way he treated naerys was pretty shitty, he should've let her follow her heart and be a septa, even if we only consider the strategical side it would be better if aegon married someone outside of the targaryen family and created an alliance with another house, in that way I think he inherit the worst part of jaehaerys: being garbage with his female relatives
@zetazetazekrom7545
@zetazetazekrom7545 Жыл бұрын
Who do you think is the best Targaryen Hand of the King whitout considering Viserys II? Maegor, Baelon, Baelor Breakspear, Valarr or Brynden Rivers?
@philippeblais8594
@philippeblais8594 6 ай бұрын
Viserys defnitely had to have been at least 21 by the time he was named hand. Since according to lore. When Aerys appointed Tywin Lannister as hand, upon the former's ascension to the iron throne as king. Tywin was only 20. Making him the youngest hand of the king in history.
@unknownbenefactor8029
@unknownbenefactor8029 Жыл бұрын
The little boy Rheanyra shows to her dad?
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
Yes!
@marvinsaintpreux4468
@marvinsaintpreux4468 Жыл бұрын
To me he is one of my favorite king along with Maekar
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
Maekar’s REALLY underrated. Might make a video about him someday. Love the Anvil!
@lonemotheomatshaba9640
@lonemotheomatshaba9640 Жыл бұрын
Baelor is my personal favorite King...... He's crazy but in a good way he helped alot of people
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
Fair! Though I’m glad he died when he did, otherwise he might’ve gone to war against the north and Iron Islands.
@lonemotheomatshaba9640
@lonemotheomatshaba9640 Жыл бұрын
@@QuinnTheGM true...... Also I think you made a mistake I think Daron the good was the one who brought Dorne into the 7 kingdoms not Viserys. I think that was part of the reason why the blackfire rebellion started
@chrisr4023
@chrisr4023 Жыл бұрын
If i were like Daeron I, who is a great General, i would do the same. Put a trusted Hand to rule the Kingdom and go to lead in the frontlines. People love war heroes (like Caesar and Napoleon). Robert did the same, but Tywin had his own ambitions and his wife Cersei was just the worst.
@ac346673
@ac346673 Жыл бұрын
STANNIS ❤‍🔥
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
THE ONE TRUE KING.
@MegaKnight2012
@MegaKnight2012 Жыл бұрын
If part of the comparison for best king takes Fatherhood into account, like the outro cartoon does, comparing Jaeherys's handling his daughters, then we can't discount that Viserys II was father to Aegon the Unworthy, who he married his poor daughter to. Part of Visery II's character flaw was likely that he was so busy ruling Seven Kingdoms, he neglected governing his family. His wife returned to Lys, not speaking Common Westerosi amongst her many languages, feeling isolated at Westeros Court, whilst Aegon's vices set the stages for generations of wars. Though given how moral Viserys II's other two children were renowned, Aegon the Unworthy might be an exception rather than rule. Still, like someone else pointed out, Viserys shouldn't have burdened his daughter with marrying the repugnant Aegon IV. It seems both Jaehaerys and Viserys II weren't the best fathers to daughters. Viserys II easily could have gotten a woman of Valyrian descent from Lys for Aegon IV's bride, though maybe due to his captivity in Lys, Viserys had negative feelings about the people from there.
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
Good points all around. He did also raise one of the most celebrated knights in the history of Westeros though!
@MegaKnight2012
@MegaKnight2012 Жыл бұрын
@@QuinnTheGM Exactly, one so noble, he gave his life protecting his unworthy brother
@emperorxander666
@emperorxander666 Жыл бұрын
Daemon is his dad so that a lot of point as well
@lukaslambs5780
@lukaslambs5780 Жыл бұрын
I can see what you mean but he I don’t think is better than Aegon The Conquerer, Jaehaerys I, Aegon V, probably Daeron II and arguably Jaehaerys II and Aegon III. Definetly not a bad king but he just didn’t do enough good. Had he ruled longer he may have been on track to do better, but it’s hard to know.
@1992zorro
@1992zorro Жыл бұрын
Great content and analysis, sadly the narrator seems to be racing to finish the video. So rushed
@kingkashi5151
@kingkashi5151 Жыл бұрын
The best Targeryan king was Jaehaerys The Conciliatior.
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
He’s probably my second choice!
@bensonfang1868
@bensonfang1868 Жыл бұрын
10:08 I’d put forcing his daughter to marry Aegon as just as bad as what Jaehaerys did tbh
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
As any of Jaehaerys’ individual actions to his kids, sure, but Viserys only did this once. Jaehaerys did a LOT.
@princepscivitatis4083
@princepscivitatis4083 Жыл бұрын
@@QuinnTheGM You do know that Viserys pulling a Tywin Lannister on Aegon's first baby momma whom he really loved was what made him the predator that he grew to be, right? Jaehaerys never did any such thing.
@angelaholmes8888
@angelaholmes8888 Жыл бұрын
My favorite targaryen kings Jaehaerys the first Daeron 2 Viserys the first Viserys the 2
@keshavprakash7906
@keshavprakash7906 Жыл бұрын
Viserys first 😝
@TheRealRealMClovin
@TheRealRealMClovin Жыл бұрын
I would argue jaehaerys is the greatest ever then Viserys II would come aftet
@faisalkamal4319
@faisalkamal4319 Жыл бұрын
He was better conquerer than Aegon
@alexmoore9409
@alexmoore9409 3 ай бұрын
Off topic but I just realized Winterfell was Going to be Cat's Home Regardless Ned was the visitor 😂😂 She was already intended to live there with Brandon before he was killed by the mad 🔥King... Question for anyone who would Ned have to marry if His Brother had lived🤔
@diegocobosanchez4373
@diegocobosanchez4373 8 ай бұрын
Quinn the GM, I think you were very unfair to Daeron the Young Dragon here. After his cowardly assassination under a peace banner, even Viserys the 2nd wanted to continue the war, and avenge his nephew by killing the Dornish hostages. He was only stopped by Baelor's interference.
@youngoutlaw5150
@youngoutlaw5150 3 ай бұрын
I don’t know why you say like that because the seven kingdoms have never been seven kingdoms the serving represent the seven kings that fell but the real itself when it was for it had eight kingdoms not seven and then later after they recruited the Dorn it became nine but for some reason the maester can only count up to seven and if I have to guess it would probably have to do with their faith
@supersquare04
@supersquare04 Жыл бұрын
What makes him better than Jaehaerys I?
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
There’s a section devoted to exactly that in the video!
@supersquare04
@supersquare04 Жыл бұрын
@@QuinnTheGM oh apologies, I’ll make sure to watch when I get somewhere quiet!
@RandomVidsforthought
@RandomVidsforthought Жыл бұрын
@@supersquare04 He was jaehaerys reborn
@travisgames6608
@travisgames6608 Жыл бұрын
Views vs Subs is weird. You watch, you sub. It won't hurt.
@shramanamondal4624
@shramanamondal4624 Жыл бұрын
Jaehaerys l was the greatest Targaryen king.. Viserys ll had the potential but he didn't live long enough to surpass his ancestor.
@ricodan7617
@ricodan7617 Жыл бұрын
Daeron the good?
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
Daeron the Daring! Daeron the Daring was Daeron I, Viserys’ nephew. Daeron II (the Good)was Viserys’ grandson.
@ricodan7617
@ricodan7617 Жыл бұрын
@@QuinnTheGM ah. I meant Daeron the food should be a top contender for best ever targ king
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
Ahh interesting! Apologies for misunderstanding.
@RedRoseSeptember22
@RedRoseSeptember22 Жыл бұрын
Sad that they didn't include Daeron in HotD.
@ricodan7617
@ricodan7617 Жыл бұрын
@@RedRoseSeptember22 still time to hope
@nickuschrist5967
@nickuschrist5967 Жыл бұрын
What are you talking about he was a king for less than a year
@daboos6353
@daboos6353 Жыл бұрын
I like that Viserys II basically reenacted what the Greens did in the Dance to his Mother, he took the throne over the rightful female heir, this time nobody gave a shit though.
@thewerdna
@thewerdna Жыл бұрын
Which if you want be technical, so did Viserys I. But after the dance, the realm pretty much stuck with "male heir unless there is literally no one left"
@loremastertimmy4048
@loremastertimmy4048 7 ай бұрын
The only thing though is Viserys I named his daughter as his heir, i dont think it can be said that without naming a daughter heir than a daughter can be a true "rightful heir" and even still we see what happened when Viserys I did it
@nicbahtin4774
@nicbahtin4774 Жыл бұрын
to bad his son fcked everything up that took like some 80 years to fix
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
Had some pretty rad grandkids though.
@SpongeWatches
@SpongeWatches Жыл бұрын
Jahaerys had some troublesome children it’s true, and his pullout game was gods awful, but Aemon and Baelon (his eldest two sons) were both brave and honorable unlike Viserys II who fathered the worst Targaryen king of all time… for me it’s a tie, bc Vermithor and Silverwing made life much easier for Jahaerys, so did having a brilliant queen Alysanne to help him. Viserys’ wife returned to Essos and abandoned him, and he never had a companion to support him or his children. If he had, Aegon might have turned out different.
@leonmasky
@leonmasky Жыл бұрын
I disagree. The best king was Jaehaeris, Viserys II could have been but was not. For 30 years the office he held was Hand of the King under 3 different kings so he will have to be compared to other hands. His own reign was short so he stands behind a lot of options but looking at history even in that 1 year was way better than a lot of the Targeryen Monarchs. And as hand, probably he, bloodraven and Tywin Lannister go neck to neck for the top post.
@belgianheskey
@belgianheskey Жыл бұрын
Is the ship called the 'Gay Abandoned'?
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
Gay Abandon, as in a happy, carefree attitude.
@stevengrant4117
@stevengrant4117 Жыл бұрын
A great king would prepare their heir for the responsibility of King. Viserys II did not do that. That's some negative points to him. The Old King in my opinion was the better king. Maybe even Aegon V was a better king because of this fact
@SohailAISA
@SohailAISA Жыл бұрын
But his sons were not meant to be king.
@blasianpersuasion85
@blasianpersuasion85 Жыл бұрын
The best king was Maegor first of his name
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
That’s a new one!
@Henrywheeler97
@Henrywheeler97 Жыл бұрын
A king for a year
@paulabarra5431
@paulabarra5431 3 ай бұрын
Viserys should have marry Naerys to Aemon instead. Who knows maybe Daeron II was Aemon’s child. Explain his nature.
@kishahngood5825
@kishahngood5825 Жыл бұрын
God I want Aegon the VI aka jon snow to be king
@aegonbreakspear9102
@aegonbreakspear9102 Жыл бұрын
The best King was Jahaerys I, and it's not even close. Viserys II is known as the second coming of Jahaerys, not the other way around.
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
Only because Jaehaerys came first!
@youngoutlaw5150
@youngoutlaw5150 3 ай бұрын
The one from House of Dragon would be a good ruler on paper, but in practice he was horrible. He’s the reason why his house fell apart, and the dragons were basically extinct.
@virginiastatesman4672
@virginiastatesman4672 Жыл бұрын
Against religious crusades to make the seven kingdoms ONE TRUE FAITH but supporting the Mannis?
@angelaholmes8888
@angelaholmes8888 Жыл бұрын
The biggest mistake that viserys the 2 made was marrying his son aegon to Narys because he was a horrible husband to her she should had married aemon but he was a great hand of the king and a great king
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
True, unfortunately Aemon was a Kingsguard.
@angelaholmes8888
@angelaholmes8888 Жыл бұрын
@@QuinnTheGM yeah it sucks aemon was a kings guard because he and Narys were in love
@tarekrahmni2768
@tarekrahmni2768 Жыл бұрын
not a hater here but I had problem understanding your spellings. You run a pretty good channel try not to swollen words for the sake of speed.
@brandocalrissian3294
@brandocalrissian3294 Жыл бұрын
sorry but jaehaerys the conciliator is the greatest king. roads man, roads.
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
Where we’re going, we don’t need roads.
@renaigh
@renaigh 10 ай бұрын
wrong, the best Targaryen was Alysanne.
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM 10 ай бұрын
I said best Targaryen KING, I agree that she’s the best overall.
@Mic-Mak
@Mic-Mak Жыл бұрын
This video is totally spoilery for *_House of the Dragons_* from start to finish. Anyone who hasn't read the books can connect the dots and come to the right conclusions.
@365DaysOfBald
@365DaysOfBald Жыл бұрын
Fire and blood is one book. Why do you people say the books?
@Mic-Mak
@Mic-Mak Жыл бұрын
@@365DaysOfBald I believe it's because there are also 2 novellas taking place during the Dance of the Dragons, which were published before _Fire & Blood._ There's _The Princess & the Queen,_ and _The Rogue Prince._
@365DaysOfBald
@365DaysOfBald Жыл бұрын
@@Mic-Mak wtf is a novella? This ain’t telemundo
@Mic-Mak
@Mic-Mak Жыл бұрын
@@365DaysOfBald A novella is a narrative prose fiction whose length is shorter than most novels, but longer than most short stories. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novella
@joncarroll2040
@joncarroll2040 Жыл бұрын
@@Mic-Mak technically both of those shorter works are embedded within Fire and Blood.
@enzobodean2599
@enzobodean2599 Жыл бұрын
Good video, but you definitely need to improve your diction, bro. The words become unintelligible way too many times.
@ricardochavez2946
@ricardochavez2946 Жыл бұрын
He Fathered Aegon the 4th so he is terrible king for unleashing his offspring on the world
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t count the sins of a son against him, especially if that son likely poisoned him.
@kingofpendragon
@kingofpendragon Жыл бұрын
Completely agree. This dude is delusional. Viserys did not rule long enough to even be considered a good king much less the best one. SMH
@anitat9727
@anitat9727 Жыл бұрын
@@QuinnTheGM He was a great hand and manager. I suppose decent king compared to the other Targs. But should have thrashed the entitlement out of his son/had him join the wall/ or something.
@faisalkamal4319
@faisalkamal4319 Жыл бұрын
Nah that's a positive Aegon 4 lived truly lived like a king
@Thomk121
@Thomk121 Жыл бұрын
Bro, slow down your speech. You keep slurring your words. calm your nerves and slow down buddy. Great video other then that. I gave you a like and Sub for the algorithm. Good luck with your channel.
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
I’ve worked on that a fair bit since this video, hopefully you enjoy the content in the future! Thanks dude.
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