Was Viserys Targaryen a Bad King? | House of the Dragon

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Quinn The GM

Quinn The GM

Жыл бұрын

Hello everyone! I've loved ASOIAF for years now and wanted to make a video discussing the Viserys' reign as king in the aftermath of his death. What do you think of his reign? What do you think of #houseofthedragon so far? Be sure to leave a comment, as well as like the video and subscribe if you enjoy. Used a new setup for this video, let me know if you enjoy it!
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@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
Do you think Viserys I was a good king, a bad king, or somewhere in between? Be sure to let me know. Also, sorry for some of the overlays on portions of this video, it was quite a battle to get it successfully uploaded. Thank you for watching!
@blackshade1840
@blackshade1840 Жыл бұрын
He is clearly the best king we have seen. Robert doesnt even come close but its debatable whether he was a good king. Looking at his decisions without knowing what will happen i would say he is a decent king. middle of the road. i might have made many of the same decisions in his place. but with hindsight, knowing what will happen, there is a lot you can hold against him. But i do wonder if the war could have been avoided entirely, if he had made other decisons. i am not sure tbh. i am inclined to believe the war would have happened regardless. if not after his death then a decade or so later. The realm was clearly hungry for war after 70 years of peace! Overall i would say he was a good man and an average king. More on the good side of the scale then the bad!
@ocsjc13
@ocsjc13 Жыл бұрын
​@@blackshade1840 how? he is a fool stannis is the best king we seen
@ocsjc13
@ocsjc13 Жыл бұрын
​@@blackshade1840 how did viserys try? lol all he did was try to keep ppl from fighting that's it we never saw him politic at all besides wedding proposals
@blackshade1840
@blackshade1840 Жыл бұрын
@@ocsjc13 i would go through every decisons he made and explain why it made sense at the time but you like stannis the mannis so i am going to forgive your ignorance on this matter :)
@ocsjc13
@ocsjc13 Жыл бұрын
@@blackshade1840 hahaha wow ok let's agree to disagree and fan girl about stannis 🤣🤣🤣
@trinixjin8039
@trinixjin8039 Жыл бұрын
Tywin said it well, "Family don't survive by catering to the whims of sons and daughters" he was explaining to Jaime if members of the Lannister house did their duties instead of Dicking around, they would have achieved so much more and withstand the coming storms but with Tywin gone the Lannisters truly fell apart into nothing
@natedogg890
@natedogg890 Жыл бұрын
Tywin also brutalized and traumatized his own children so badly one of them murdered him with a crossbow, I imagine most of the chaos and death of GoT wouldn't have happened if Tywin had been a loving father
@InquisitorThomas
@InquisitorThomas Жыл бұрын
@@natedogg890 Yeah Tywin was a brilliant man in a lot of ways, but let’s not forget his own deep personal flaws are just as responsible for the damage to his house as his children are.
@facundogonza5740
@facundogonza5740 Жыл бұрын
This is not correct. Since Tywin was unwilling to re-marry or do ANYTHING except forcing his children to do what he wanted. Tywin is the OTHER side of the coin. An overly cruel father that only cares about himself.
@vaiyt
@vaiyt Жыл бұрын
"It's better to be feared than to be loved, but above all a leader must avoid being hated" - Machiavelli A maxim that the kings and lords of ASOIAF forget all the time.
@wildercerrate7295
@wildercerrate7295 Жыл бұрын
It also doesn’t survive when it’s patriarch is a huge hypocrite lol “don’t waste your time whoring” he says as he sneaks prostitutes into his tower of the hand
@syb5242
@syb5242 Жыл бұрын
I think the immediate reason for the dance is that Viserys failed to groom Rhaenyra as heir. Despite the naming, all the repeated affirmation, or his last stand at the throne room and the dinner, he is just being a permissive parent (for both Rhaenyra and Aegon the Elder). He could have named Rhaenyra as hand after Lyonel’s death or at least keep her at court to develop her political strength. It is the six year long absence of Rhaenyra at King’s Landing that leaves the Black vacuum big enough for the Green coup possible.
@thatoneblackdude3333
@thatoneblackdude3333 Жыл бұрын
Exactly if he truly was adamant on rhenerya succeeding he should have tutored her on how to rule , showing her the importance of marriages and forging alliances early make sure she's the best queen she could be would it completely prevent the dance? No but she'd be more prepared mentally and would have likely won as that's half the reason she lost .
@thamayor6324
@thamayor6324 Жыл бұрын
@SYB she was on the council until the fight between cole and harwin. She wasn’t hand but she was at court and on the council learning and making friends remember after Joffrey birth. The guy said “I’m here if you need me”
@syb5242
@syb5242 Жыл бұрын
@@thamayor6324 what happened next then? “The wisest sailor flee the storm as it gathers.” By hiding in Dragonstone these 6 years Rhaenyra no doubt dodged the accusations against her sons but FORFEITED all political opportunities in KL. And within this period of absence, Permissive Viserys has, at least on the screen, not got her back to KL while the Green is consolidating and brewing the coup(s).
@tenkenroo
@tenkenroo Жыл бұрын
Rhaynera was made a cupbearer for a reason. She observed matters of state for years and learned about politics
@thatoneblackdude3333
@thatoneblackdude3333 Жыл бұрын
@@syb5242 she was in a damned if you do damned if you don't situation
@matthewhart9610
@matthewhart9610 Жыл бұрын
I really don't like the characterisation of Otto as completely self-serving to the point of undermining Viserys, that's unfair to me. Otto is an excellent Hand of the King. He is absolutely an ambitious man and he wanted his daughter to be Queen, he used underhanded methods to achieve it, but at the end of the day, it was Viserys' decision to marry Alicent. He's not a villain, he's entirely correct that Aegon should have been named Viserys' heir; he's the King's eldest living son, and there's not a single prior example in the entirety of Westerosi succession where a daughter inherited over a son, it just doesn't happen. The only reason the war happened was Rhaenyra being the heir, there would inevitably be challenges to her throne if she ascended the throne, if not from Aegon and his brothers, then many lords would have revolted in objection.
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
I’d agree with that if it hadn’t been HIS suggestion that Rhaenyra be the heir over Daemon, clearly establishing that Otto believed that she had the right to the throne. Completely overrules the precedent of the great council, and suggested by Otto. I love the character and definitely think he’s not ENTIRELY a villain, but he does actively undermine anything that isn’t his exact end in that moment.
@matthewhart9610
@matthewhart9610 Жыл бұрын
@@QuinnTheGM I don't think it's the same tho, Otto didn't advocate for Rhaenyra because he thought she was the best possible option, he did it to spite Daemon. It was fair enough that a daughter should inherit over her uncle, but the situation changed when Aegon was born. It wasn't just the fact he was Otto's grandson, if Baelon had lived, he would have been the rightful heir over Rhaenyra, it doesn't change just because Aegon is Alicent's son instead. Otto was obviously more motivated, wanting his grandson on the throne, but it doesn't change the fact he's right about Aegon being the rightful heir.
@redadmiralofvalyria867
@redadmiralofvalyria867 5 ай бұрын
​@matthewhart9610 And the irony of this is its a situation IRL as well Every other British king that's ever been, not ONE has willingly giving the crown/thrown to a elder daughter without consequences (Empress Matilda is a different situation though) Everytime a queen died, and only daughter's remained, either the king remarried, OR the eldest MALE relative was found
@lucymorudu5860
@lucymorudu5860 Жыл бұрын
He was a bad king the war to come was caused by him. The moment he had a son the son was supposed to be heir, instead, he kept Rhaenyra as his heir because he felt guilty for killing her mother, he even said he will not remove Rhaenyra as heir to honor her mother's memory. the reason he was chosen over Rhaenys( the queen who never was) by the great council is the same reason why most people will not accepts Rhaenyra he knew that. Even if he married Laena instead of Alicent his son with Laena would still be expected to be king and Lord corlys will be like otto because he's also ambitious. A firstborn son must be the heir, he tried to change that by putting his emotions and guilt before the realm and many people died because of that. He was the worst king but a great family man.
@agahpito902
@agahpito902 11 ай бұрын
he wasn´t even a decent father to any of his children, he didn´t prepare Rhaenyra, and he didn´t love his children with Alicent. in the end, he failed everyone.
@timothykalstein9090
@timothykalstein9090 Жыл бұрын
He was a good king aside from naming Rhaenyra his heir. It is impressive to have had such a relatively peaceful reign and definitely was worthy of continuing Jahaerys' legacy, but bucking lawful tradition for the sake of one person is inexcusable. With Aegon as heir, the only people who would be upset would be Rhaenyra herself, potentially the Velaryons (but Rhaenyra cucks them by having bastards anyway) and maybe the Arryns (who'd want Aemma's child on the throne). He's not really a good father either, if he had raised Aegon to be heir as he should've, he might not be such a shithead. He's constantly showing unfair favoritism towards Rhaenyra by overlooking her bastards and adultery, plus her unsanctioned marriage to Daemon. He doesn't defend Aemond after he loses an eye even though he did nothing wrong. Helena and Daeron seem to be decent enough but he had barely had anything to do with Daeron's upbringing from what we've seen. If he hadn't inherited a stable realm, he'd be tied for the 2nd worst Targaryen king so far with Aenys, but not as bad as Maegor.
@thandondlovu5392
@thandondlovu5392 Жыл бұрын
I like Viserys but true. Rhaenyra (I like her too) absolutely should have been disinherited after she not one but 3 bastard children a stronger king would have disinherited her and her children then trained Aegon into being a Good King as well as good man (Who doesn't rape young girl's).
@jasperjones8401
@jasperjones8401 Жыл бұрын
Aenys and Maegor are not even close to the worst kings. Aerys II, Aegon IV, and Daeron I all had far worse effects on the realm.
@timothykalstein9090
@timothykalstein9090 Жыл бұрын
@@jasperjones8401Tied for 2nd to last when compared only to the kings that came before him. In the overall scheme of Targaryen kings he's middle of the pack. In terms of keeping his house strong, he's either dead last or tied with Aerys II considering he's essentially responsible for losing their dragons
@theelectricprince8231
@theelectricprince8231 Жыл бұрын
Maegor was cruel but a decisive and strong king that secured Targarean rule. He was far better than Viserys
@phoenixlegend2921
@phoenixlegend2921 Жыл бұрын
@@theelectricprince8231 what are you talking about the entre realm erupted in support of Jaheris when he was made king maegor almost ended the dynasty by his own cruelty, it took Jaheris 55 years to stabilize the realm as we see today there is a reason he is called Jaheris the conciliator especially when the targaryen's are ruling over a foreign land .
@ogdanny5933
@ogdanny5933 Жыл бұрын
He's just a mediocre king, not a great one but also not one of the worst ones we've seen. He definitely was a great father and a good human being who was far too kind for this cruel world.
@anitat9727
@anitat9727 Жыл бұрын
Nah. I think he was an absolutely shitty father. He favored one child (enabled her but didn't teach her anything) and ignored all of his other kids even when they were injured or acknowledge them (most watchers don't even know of Daeron).
@Seraphina-Rose
@Seraphina-Rose Жыл бұрын
I don't think Viserys was a good father. He didn't seem to have had much good influence on Aegon - Alicent was a lousy mom, too.
@AaronGuest
@AaronGuest Жыл бұрын
He was a terrible father.
@GallowayJesse
@GallowayJesse Жыл бұрын
Bad kiing. The throne itself judged him fairly.
@LH74
@LH74 Жыл бұрын
He was a horrible father to the kids he had with Alicent.
@thandondlovu5392
@thandondlovu5392 Жыл бұрын
Can we all just agree things would have been better off if Rhaenys Viserys Cousin was Crowned Queen. She is clearly an intelligent, pragmatic and stronger willed character than Viserys and could be tough enough to get the job done.
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
Also Corlys would be a great King Consort.
@thandondlovu5392
@thandondlovu5392 Жыл бұрын
@@QuinnTheGM Agreed.
@Seraphina-Rose
@Seraphina-Rose Жыл бұрын
Absolutely agree. We see her reading the political realities beautifully in episode 8 and adapting to the changing situation to make the best choice for herself and hers. Much sharper and more canny than Viserys.
@SpottedHares
@SpottedHares Жыл бұрын
I think the Viserys form the show is a better king then the Viserys from the book. More happens in the book that show his thoughs and why he acted as he did, and how those around him really didn't help him like they maybe should have. And ultimately he got his priority wrong, he though that the end of the world could happen any moment and that the bonds of family was just as strong for other as it was for him.
@Eric-ly7jy
@Eric-ly7jy Жыл бұрын
as far as targaryens go he's somehow one of the better ones, maintaining the peace and stability from Jahaerys' reign . Is he a good king on his own? Not really, but a great man for sure
@ocsjc13
@ocsjc13 Жыл бұрын
yes he's a good man not king
@exoticbutters2781
@exoticbutters2781 Жыл бұрын
Yes, no one's doubting that he was a good man, but the question is was he a good king. He singlehandedly caused a civil war that almost ended his bloodline. The show is trying to introduce the concept of a dream of ice and fire that justifies why he made the choices he made, but that's never mentioned in the books even if it was, the war was easily avoidable.
@agahpito902
@agahpito902 11 ай бұрын
​@@exoticbutters2781 he isn´t even a good guy, he neglected his infant children (who at the time had no fault of their own other than being a little weird in the case of Aegon and being born to "the wrong mother") over an adult daughter, he just doesn´t look that bad because the top worst Targaryen are outright evil and psychopaths.
@SDG.12
@SDG.12 Жыл бұрын
Viserys: I love you all dearly!! Also Viserys: My Only child!! He kept saying let’s get along & proceeded to keep doing everything to make sure that’s impossible. Viserys is the real villain of this show. Viserys knew exactly what's gonna happen when he trampled on Jaehaerys' diktat, when he sired children after naming his daughter heir and when kept festering grievance on the other side of his family. He won his own crown that way. People forget he and Daemon were preparing for a civil war because the other claimant was a female. Viserys knew what he was doing. Seems like a vast majority of the viewership can't compartmentalize between "loving father" (to one child) from "absolutely terrible king who made one bad decision after another". Viserys was a definition of Nero playing with his Lego set while Rome was burning from the fire he started.
@theelectricprince8231
@theelectricprince8231 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, he sucks
@eadred9164
@eadred9164 Жыл бұрын
spot on. exactly.
@eadred9164
@eadred9164 Жыл бұрын
completely agreed.
@Elnont
@Elnont Жыл бұрын
To be fair - when his other children start growing he’s literally falling apart, loosing limbs, confusing people and fainting… and that’s not even including episode 8.
@theduxabides9274
@theduxabides9274 Жыл бұрын
Had Viserys reaffirmed Rhaenyra as his heir immediately after Aegon's birth, and did so on the basis of the Doctrine of Exceptionalism as Jahaerys justified his marriage to Alysanne, I think he could have avoided the Dance. Had he then betrothed her to Aegon, or even if he only betrothed them without invoking Exceptionalism ala Jahaerys, he would certainly have avoided the Dance. The issue is that while the realm could accept Rhaenyra being the designated heir on the basis of the King having no male successor, the moment Aegon it was not unreasonable to assume that since the conditions on which Rhaenyra was made no longer pertained, the King would recognize this change. Viserys made the Dance unavoidable by refusing to grasp this fact, however good his intentions towards his daughter may have been, and allowing two rival claimants to the throne to be left to sort things out on his death. Rhaenyra's antics and his and Alicent's failure to raise remotely well adjusted kids was just the icing on the cake.
@idawg7332
@idawg7332 Жыл бұрын
I’m going to say the opposite of most people, he was a fine king but a terrible father/ family man. He inherited a strong realm from jaeherys and kept it prosperous and stable for decades and listened to council. The problem is that he let rhaenyra get away with everything out of guilt over his wife and didn’t pay enough attention to Alicent and her children. Yeah he’s a nice person but sometimes you need tough love
@magicman3163
@magicman3163 Жыл бұрын
That face mask is so cool reminds me of the Order of Lazarus/King Baldwin
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
It also reminds me of Viserys’s death with his “Golden Crown” in the main series!
@ahd200
@ahd200 Жыл бұрын
Yh heavy feelings of Kingdom of Heaven
@ericjensen7580
@ericjensen7580 6 ай бұрын
Agreed on the short sightedness. A few questions that, if they were answered, might have prevented the DoD: 1. If his daughter is hier, what happens to Allicent and her children after King V. passes? This should have been answered the day he named Allicent as his wife and kept R as his hier. Even if king V married Leana, he'd still have this question. 2. What should happen to Otto after his service as hand? I might be more positive towards Otto than others, but hear me out - throw the hightowers a bone for their service to at least appease them. 3. If the triarchy re-emerges (after the first war on the stepstones) what do we do? 4. If Viserys couldn’t have a son, what should we do? This could have been a good time for a council. The real take away from the council is that a council of lords is a good way to resolving these types of disputes. 5. Who gets dragon eggs?
@Elnont
@Elnont Жыл бұрын
As a king I think he was a good one, but the very thing that made his reign good is what made what followed occur. He was kind hearted and only wanted the best for the realm and his family - this meant the 7 kingdoms were at peace for decades but also meant he couldn’t see that, by the end, things were just staying peaceful *for* him, not because of him. He was to good of a man to be a great king though.
@jaminavestajugo3456
@jaminavestajugo3456 Жыл бұрын
Personally, I think Viserys' kingship is a great argument for why, in a feudal system, being a good person and a good leader rarely go together. And being the single absolute ruler places nigh-impossible demands on people. If you think about it, both Viserys and Daemon had complementary leadership traits. If you smooshed their good traits together into one person, he would be the perfect king. But real life hardly ever puts such people on thrones, or even creates them at all. So it's better to have a system where one person doesn't carry so much power. Their weaknesses can get magnified as well as their strengths, and it's hard for others to balance them.
@laurashortill8623
@laurashortill8623 2 ай бұрын
I preferred Viserys’ characterization on the show than in the books because I think the show runner’s structured his story using Aristotles tragic storytelling devices- a sudden fall from grace ; a tragic flaw; and catharsis for the audience. His fall from grace is when he kills the love of his life for a male heir and then loses them both. He never ever gets over killing Emma. It’s why he feels he owes Rhaenerya the throne. It’s why Alicent is second fiddle to Emma’s memory, and his subsequent children with Alicent are always always second fiddle to the children and grandchildren of Emma. His tragic flaw is .. I guess you could say idealism but I’d say his notion that a Targaryen king is above the law. He doesn’t feel his line should be bound by the laws that bind his subjects. He is above the law. He’s also, weirdly, conflict avoidant, and puts too much importance on keeping the peace, so he thinks he just has to say “this is the rule- play nice- I said so” and that’s that. Even Jaeherys knew that wouldn’t work and didn’t just name an heir randomly but got the buy in from the other nobles. The catharsis for the audience is we say, after his death, “aw man we should nor be like that or do like that because that’s going to be alll kinds of eff’d up now….”
@carlrood4457
@carlrood4457 Жыл бұрын
There's a bit of irony in that Lyonell is the only one who didn't try to push his house's interests in either VIserys' and Rhaenyra's marriages. In both cases he stated the Valaeryon alliance would be best for the kingdom. If he'd been a bit more self interested, he might have avoided the whole bastard situation since ultimately Rhaenyra might have chosen Harwyn as her husband since they did develop a bond.
@agahpito902
@agahpito902 11 ай бұрын
i don´t know man, to me it seemed that she didn´t bat an eye when harwyn got "extra crispy", she seemed all too content to keep up her lie rather than let her son´s process their grief. she even switched lovers right there on laena´s funeral.
@ahmedyacoub9482
@ahmedyacoub9482 Жыл бұрын
Quinn ranking kings and queens weve seen. Daenaerys: am I joke to you?
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
Ha! I was counting those who sat the iron throne, which she didn’t have a chance to do. I do think that she was the best of those we’ve seen, prior to her sudden and unexplained madness.
@ahmedyacoub9482
@ahmedyacoub9482 Жыл бұрын
@@QuinnTheGM true she technically never sat it. That entire season was a shitshow we dont talk about. It never happened 😂
@ocsjc13
@ocsjc13 Жыл бұрын
​@@QuinnTheGM if we include kings who didn't sit the throne then stannis is thr best
@finikama
@finikama 10 ай бұрын
2:50 You are very wrong in the analysis of Otto Hightower's character. Otto is a politically savy character who (whether you agree or not) cares about the intersts of the realm. Yes, jumped at opportunities to further his house, but he did that with the interst of the realm at heart first and foremost. Remember, he is the one who asked Viserys to name Rhaenerya as heir in the first place, so as to save the realm from Daemon. After Aegon was born, he asked Viserys to wed Aegon to Rhaenerya (which isn't a bad idea at all considering the fact that they are Targaryans) so as to unite the house. People just choose to paint him in bad light without understanding the man.
@mouse3872
@mouse3872 Жыл бұрын
Honestly I don't see how Viserys is a worse King than Robert... They both end up in nearly the exact situation. Wars being Triggered by a potential bastard taking the throne eventually (Joffery for Robert & Jace for Rhaenera/Viserys) the big differences are that Robert Bankrupted the Realm and the number of Kings/claimants that occurred after his death. Viserys ended up with a war that divided the realm in 2 the Greens and Blacks where as the war after the Roberts death ended up having 2 succession movements and 3 Claimants to the Iron Throne. Robert was barely able to control the Starks and Lannisters when they started going at each other's throats whereas Viserys despite not being a Dragon rider kept the Greens and Blacks in check by and large. The Lion and the Wolf was gonna start fighting whether Robert Died or not. The Lannisters had already begun attacking the Riverlands before Robert was even dead.. While Robert was out getting himself gutted by a pig. Tywin had sent the Mountain out attacking random Riverlanders. Robert knew that the Realm was on the brink of war and Robert chose to go hunting instead of trying to fix things. He may have even done this on purpose. We know Robert wanted to fight he was constantly wishing for the glory days. I think he was hoping he would come back to the Starks and Lannisters fighting so that he could jump into another war.
@Derekivery
@Derekivery 10 ай бұрын
Most people say he was a Bad King but a Good Man, I would argue if you look at it objectively he was a Good King but a Bad Man. People say he made bad choices as king, which I think there is no evidence for. Every decision a leader makes SOMEONE is going to say was the wrong decision. Did King Vis make all the right decisions, no. But under his rule there was no great war, no great famine, the crown had no major debt. For the people of the KINGDOM life was fairly good under Viserys. Any society would elect someone like that 1000 times over before any other King we've seen on the shows. Aegon takes power for 5 minutes and hundreds of innocent people are killed during his crowning. Viserys failures were almost all as a Man or specifically Husband and Father. It was like he only loved his first wife, his first daughter and his brother, he treated the rest of the family like shit.
@TriNguyen-iu2vi
@TriNguyen-iu2vi Жыл бұрын
Visery did have flaws! but compare to mad king Aerys who was going to burn downs king landing, or sociopath joffrey, maegor the cruel, cersei lannister. Visery was a god sent who kept the realm in peace during his reign.
@Seraphina-Rose
@Seraphina-Rose Жыл бұрын
Except that Viserys also set up a succession that was going to be a disaster after his death, and wasn't able to see the looming problem and address it. There may have been peace during his reign but he set up a civil war to follow.
@TriNguyen-iu2vi
@TriNguyen-iu2vi Жыл бұрын
@@Seraphina-Rose you are correct about that. A man cant be to blame when hes dead. Im sure visery would have imagine the bloodbath that was to come for his succession. Nonetheless during his time their was peace. To blame him solely for the civil war and not his children isnt fair.
@durrangodsgrief6503
@durrangodsgrief6503 Жыл бұрын
Maegors action did more good for the realm and his family than bad
@moonlightspecial1861
@moonlightspecial1861 Жыл бұрын
I am finally ready to answer this question. Yes, he was. He was a man plagued with a secret and the hard role of dad and duty. It wasn’t about Ruling for him it was about The Song and Prophesy and until his dying day he wanted his blood to stay on the throne for that purpose.
@davidholmes5418
@davidholmes5418 Жыл бұрын
I don’t think the only difference between Robert and viserys is down to the hand, Jon Arryn, lyonel strong and Otto Hightower we’re all very capable statesmen and each done a good job, I do agree bringing Otto back was a mistake, not because he was bad at his job but because that should’ve been the chance to bring rhaenyra in as hand in preparation for her accession to the throne, this would’ve solidified her position as heir aswell
@carlrood4457
@carlrood4457 Жыл бұрын
I'd say Robert Baratheon was more self aware of his weaknesses as king than Viserys. However, you could argue appointing Ned hand was worse than bringing back Otto. Ned lacked the experience and didn't have the political clout in the South required to hold such a position.
@ocsjc13
@ocsjc13 Жыл бұрын
it takes forever for him to see otto as self centered.. and yet he still reappointed him ad hand.. what a fool robert and two hands also and both had good intentions
@jorgemoya1341
@jorgemoya1341 Жыл бұрын
The thing with otto is that he is not as self centered, he is doing whatever man would do in his position while providing the best option for the realm, the man is a really good administrator and a powerful political figure. Otto is doing what any character is doing, he is the antagonist because she show favours rhaenyra but he is this self servient dude that everyone believes him to be.
@InquisitorThomas
@InquisitorThomas Жыл бұрын
I think HotD’s portrayal has bumped him above several of contemporaries because he did rule peacefully for many years, and did make efforts to secure his Daughter’s position and mend the rift in his family, but I’d still say he’s still firmly in the upper middle of Kings of Westeros, and a lot of that is because he has some truly stiff competition for bad kings that keeping him from the bottom: Aegon IV, Joffrey, Arys II, Aegon II, Maegor, Anyes and Robert.
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
Wholeheartedly agree, though I think him and Robert are pretty much tied. They’re quite similar in a fair few ways.
@durrangodsgrief6503
@durrangodsgrief6503 Жыл бұрын
maegor is literally the only reason jaehaerys could rule as he did he was the fire that purged the realm to allow better fruit to grow
@josephlongbone4255
@josephlongbone4255 Жыл бұрын
Show Viserys is a much better king than book Viserys, and is also a better king than all the king's in Game of thrones. Like, he was aware of the brewing conflict and genuinely tried to stop it in the show where as both Bobby B and book Viserys seem unaware or disinterested.
@leadvendor
@leadvendor Жыл бұрын
He was a very nuanced person like many other characters, but a very malleable personality due to wanting to please everybody which makes him a weak ruler.
@brandonwhite4992
@brandonwhite4992 Жыл бұрын
I would say no, but he is a good person
@antoniosanders4087
@antoniosanders4087 Жыл бұрын
He was neutral he secured the peace that his father started but in the end even my todays standard a leader does need to be strong to different extends depending on the situation in this case he needed to behead Otto and the hightowers got bold because they viewed him as weak or easy like most so in the case of defending his heir he was weak
@KympuMarci
@KympuMarci Жыл бұрын
Shortly: he was a good man... good men dont make good kings
@misssoso5859
@misssoso5859 Жыл бұрын
Not true. Good men can be good Kings.
@theelectricprince8231
@theelectricprince8231 Жыл бұрын
Necessarily. Competent men make good kings not good or bad men
@RonnieFlare17
@RonnieFlare17 2 ай бұрын
I don’t think he’s a good king because his go to strategy is basically to ignore a problem and just hopes it goes away. We see it with his initial response Crabfeeder in the Stepstones, the discord within his own family, and the pushback from the realm over Rhaenyra still being the heir over Aegon. Despite having plenty of time to deal with those problems he consistently ignores them or does the bare minimum until the last moment. Don't get me wrong, I got misty eyed at seeing his final walk to the throne room-but where was this effort even five years ago?
@josmith2651
@josmith2651 Жыл бұрын
yes yes yes 👑💫
@striker8961
@striker8961 Жыл бұрын
People seem to obsess over his character being a bad king but a good man but like… compared to ever other king we’ve seen. Joffrey, Robert, Mance? Stannis, Renly, Tommen, Robb, Balon, Aerys, Danny, Jon, Sansa? Bran?. Wasn’t murdered after less than 3 years in office. Wasn’t an insane sociopath or psychopath. Didn’t commit mass murder. Attended small council meetings. Listened to his advisers ( which Tywin himself advices ironically is what makes a good king, and you can say he picked poorly but compared to littlefinger… Varys… Pycell… they didn’t murder him, they didn’t cripple his kingdom, they didn’t raise several Targaryen rebels across the sea to invade the realm). He didn’t have 20 bastard children. Didn’t torture and kill people for kicks. Kept the realm at pretty good peace. People aren’t starving to death. Granted those are pretty low standards to be setting I mean we are not spoiled for choice here.
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
Attending small council meetings is surprisingly rare for kings, now that I think about it.
@striker8961
@striker8961 Жыл бұрын
@@QuinnTheGM I mean I suppose he doesn’t always have to be there but it’s not like a senate where the president doesn’t need to be there for it to run. The various masters have their duties which they can attend to but a council should council the king. Tis a bit strange and makes you think about how the various “leeches” as some have called them can grow to such powerful positions when left unattended.
@lawv804
@lawv804 4 ай бұрын
The best thing that can be said about King Viserys is that he wasn't cruel and didn't cause unessesary suffering. So that makes him better than the likes of Aerys II or Joffrey. But Viserys had no big accomplishments. Maegor was evil, but he crushed the faith militant and reestablished Targaryen dominance after Aenys.
@renaigh
@renaigh Жыл бұрын
he was as good a King as Ned was a Hand. They both have their own complexities but I do see them as each others reflection from a literary perspective and going further, Rhaenyra is the conflict between Arya & Sansa manifested as a single person.
@carlrood4457
@carlrood4457 Жыл бұрын
He was a good man, but probably a mediocre king. He didn't believe himself to be all knowing and was willing to listen to advice and tried to build consensus and compromise. Those aren't bad things, in general. Maybe he tried to keep too many people happy, but he wasn't so arrogant as to believe he was always right. Replacing Otto Hightower with Lyonel Strong was overall a very good move. He showed strength (perhaps a bit late) and replace someone more interested in personal ambition with someone who tended to give advice with the kingdom's best interest in mind. However, that was also his weakness. He rarely laid down the law, and allowed too much talking behind his back. He projected weakness. He should never have brought Otto back.
@booze1996
@booze1996 Жыл бұрын
It's not exactly a hot take but I'd say it's accurate to characterise him as a good man but a bad king; His attempts to placate everyone and maintain some sort of begrudging peace during his lifetime just acted to delay and exacerbate the carnage that would inevitably take place following his death. That said, it's the people around him that truly caused the Dance by fathering blatant bastards and refusing to give a lasting peace via marriage between the greens and blacks a chance. He should have stepped in and commanded that the marriage between Rhaenyra's son and Helaena take place as Alicent realistically had no ability to stop it and it would have united the two competing claims and satisfied everyone, guaranteeing Alicent's children's safety, as well as uniting the line. Instead he allowed his wife to get her way because of his desire to placate and keep everyone happy.
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
I meant to mention that last point in the video but forgot, I think not pushing for that marriage was one of his biggest blunders by a wide margin. I totally see why he didn’t though, he was already pretty addled by then.
@booze1996
@booze1996 Жыл бұрын
@@QuinnTheGM I'm not so sure mental inability or impairment by his illness can be used to justify his actions until Episode 8; From what I could tell he still had his faculties then, I'd personally put it down to his unwillingness to assert his power for the good of the realm at the cost of damaging his relationship with Alicent. Personally I think that's Viserys' biggest character trait, his unwillingness to actually use his power where necessary and his blind optimism that his family will work it all out because they're a family. I love him as a character but he never should have been in power; His naïvety and quixotic belief that it will all work out with no serious input from himself besides his platitudinal speeches is without a doubt his biggest failing to my eyes.
@jorgemoya1341
@jorgemoya1341 Жыл бұрын
@@QuinnTheGM he should have married rhaenyra to aegon in the first place, that way it really solicited her claim and his son. He still had more children to marry to different houses, that was the best decision that he never took.
@toughtittypdiddy4634
@toughtittypdiddy4634 Жыл бұрын
I think he was a good man but a bad ruler. He had no backbone and was too indecisive. He reminds me of tsar Nicolas II
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
That’s an excellent comparison, and one I hadn’t heard before!
@ahd200
@ahd200 Жыл бұрын
Good Man. Poor King
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
Fair.
@Destino2493
@Destino2493 6 ай бұрын
Viserys never should have remarried, how could he not know that remarrying and possibly having a son would spark a succession crisis? He’s not stupid he had to have known it would be an issue, he put too much faith in his family to accept his decision to name Rhaenyra and he should of had enough faith in Daemon to name him hand and rid himself of that snake Otto Hightower
@ericbrown8479
@ericbrown8479 Жыл бұрын
Viserys should have made Daemon Hand after he fired Otto. The Dance could have been avoided.
@geodude12y
@geodude12y Жыл бұрын
The fact that the targaryens tptwp prophecy is kept a secret makes no sense. You would want everyone to know why they have to allow dragon riders to rule. Viserys should have been announced this as much as possible
@geodude12y
@geodude12y Жыл бұрын
How could Viserys believe in the prophecy of TPTWP and also believe that Targaryens never should have tamed dragons? He shows no care for anything dragon related which would be how humanity would defeat the dead army. Even in peace there should have been some kind of fortification of farming of dragons (weapons) and dragon riders (as soldiers)...
@realdaggerman105
@realdaggerman105 Жыл бұрын
Let’s list the kings worse than Viserys I: Aenys I, Maegor I, Aegon II / Rhaenyra I, (technically) Daeron I, Baelor I, Aegon IV, Aerys I, Aerys II, Joffrey I, Tommen I. So, he’s better than 10 kings, 8 of which are Targs. Hell, you could even argue he is better than Aegon III, because at least Viserys helped dragons prosper, thus protecting his house. But, for now he’s below Aegon III for me. Aegon I was a great king considering he was the one establishing a new Country and Dynasty most people despised, so he’s better. Jaehaerys I was undisputed the best Westerosi monarch. Viserys II had the potential to be as good or even better than Jaehaerys, but only ruled while crowned for 1 year, however his brilliance shone through his tenure as an exceptional hand of the king to Daeron and Baelor. Daeron II was just a solid king with some unfortunate circumstances around him, such as the Blackfyre rebellions brought on by his inept father, and the suspicion of his Dornish wife, though he peacefully got Dorne into the Seven Kingdoms. Alpha move. Maekar I would argue was fine as king. He didn’t rule for long but he was successful in what he did. Aegon V is a chad and I will give anyone who disagrees a clout in the ear. Jaehaerys II was a solid king, and helped lead into the relatively peaceful rule of Aerys II. Until it wasn’t. Bobby B is like a cooler Viserys. So uh, yeah.
@ZiggyBones
@ZiggyBones Жыл бұрын
Aerys the I? Come on man was dealt a shit hand with an epidemic Bloodr- I mean Aerys ran the kingdoms well inspite of Rebellions popping up every few years
@blackshade1840
@blackshade1840 Жыл бұрын
I agree with all that you placed lower. Of the ones you consider better i would definetely agree with the Conquerer, The OG Jaeharys and Daeron the good. Viserys the second i cant agree with because like you mentioned he was king for only a year, while it was a good year i cant put his 1 year against Viserys' 25 years of prosperity. He was however one of the best hands the realm ever knew. But i suppose you lumped those years as hand with his one year as king. In that case i would agree. Aegon V, i am not sure about. i dont remember much about him. Only that he was a good guy that got himself and family blown up at summerhall. So for me he is below Viserys. Unless you want to argue his case? lol Maekar and Jaeharys the second were average at best. You could perhaps argue so was Viserys but ruling for 25 years without any major conflict at the height of the targaryen dynasty puts him ahead of those two in my book. Bobby B while indead cooler was a terrible king that left the realm in massive debt during his reign and let his council rule in his stead because he wanted to go whoring and drinking. He attented an handful of small council meetings in 17 years lol. So overall i would put him at 4 or 5 (depending on if you want to count viserys the seconds days as hand). Which isnt bad at all! But the bar was set low because of the shitty kings westeros has had
@blackshade1840
@blackshade1840 Жыл бұрын
@@ZiggyBones he didnt ran shit. Bloodraven did. He was fortunate because he had a competent hand.
@Manwendlil
@Manwendlil Жыл бұрын
viserys the first had a bit of aegon the fourth; both where obese and loving comfort and pleasure. but viserys I did not have aegon IV mercuriosity or cruelity. he was a good man, but good man make seldom efficient kings in westeros. his brother would have been far mor efficient in doing what must be done to keep his family in power and westeros united.
@blackshade1840
@blackshade1840 Жыл бұрын
his brother would have been a war worse king. to actually rule you need to sit in small council meetings 12 hours a day. Daemon doesnt have the patience for it. Not to mention his cruelty would have alienated a lot of the realms high lords.
@theelectricprince8231
@theelectricprince8231 Жыл бұрын
@@blackshade1840 Daemon takes the worst aspects of Joffery and Robert.
@abuomar1925
@abuomar1925 Жыл бұрын
He was a good man and a bad king 👑
@Serath100
@Serath100 Жыл бұрын
I think overall, Viserys was a good peacetime king. I think viserys fault was he could not accept that war was coming to his kingdom. Throughout the early episodes, you see him avoid war or fighting. As the velaryons say, you either sail directly into the storm or you go around it. I think him sticking by his daughter was admirable. Rhaenyra would of made a great Queen in my opinion. But he did not prepare her and he did not support her enough. One thing I noted while watching the show is that the people of Westeros clearly had a lot of respect for viserys while even in his weakened state people still showed respect to his rule and plotted for when he was gone but not to overthrow him in his weakened state.
@virgoqueen8950
@virgoqueen8950 Жыл бұрын
Not a good KING but a GREAT man
@theelectricprince8231
@theelectricprince8231 Жыл бұрын
Nah, he was bad at both. A people pleasing coward who shielded his eyes from the truth, he gaslit his wife and he attempted to gaslight the Westeros about Rhaes bastards. He failed to hold his brother and daughter accountable. He did not give Aemond justice for losing his eye and he did not raise Rhaneyra to be a good heir and queen (he weakened her position by MARRYING HER FRIEND, and having 3 sons with her and further wearing Rhaenyras position). The best you can say of him is that he enabled his daughter, which I think is what a lot of people think make him good
@youngoutlaw5150
@youngoutlaw5150 Жыл бұрын
Bad king great figurehead
@freddymeisner
@freddymeisner Жыл бұрын
Good guy, good dad, good brother, bad king, worse husband
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
I was surprised by how much I enjoyed the relationship between the brothers, Viserys and Daemon.
@an-413
@an-413 Жыл бұрын
Good dad only to one child
@freddymeisner
@freddymeisner Жыл бұрын
@@QuinnTheGM same here! I think the time skips made that relationship story really shine
@anitat9727
@anitat9727 Жыл бұрын
Eh. Shitty dad tbh. He basically favors one child and ignores the rest. It's understandable to keep Rhaenyra heir but not to completely ignored the others.
@Proclifo
@Proclifo Жыл бұрын
I think the saddest part about his march into the throne room is knowing that his last effort to help his daughter will be in vain. Soon enough they will all be at war with each other.
@theelectricprince8231
@theelectricprince8231 Жыл бұрын
Exactly, man tortured himself for nothing
@LH74
@LH74 Жыл бұрын
His fault, no one else’s.
@TheMrMRsmoke
@TheMrMRsmoke Жыл бұрын
Not according to the iron throne.
@guccifer764
@guccifer764 6 күн бұрын
It’s funny how people would call him s good father when he absolutely ignored 4 out of his 5 kids while simultaneously heaping a whole lot if responsibilities on his eldest daughter without ensuring she was actually capable of handling it. His fatal flaw is his intense refusal to acknowledge problems or face reality. He’s more than happy to hide away in his fantasy world and hope the problems in the real world just go away.
@maxlin3721
@maxlin3721 Жыл бұрын
I think he was moderately good king. At least he kept the realm intact.
@theelectricprince8231
@theelectricprince8231 Жыл бұрын
He inherited a stable realm but did not consider what would happen AFTER he dies, did he think his word would hold up once he is dead
@ballsballsballs3617
@ballsballsballs3617 Жыл бұрын
Idk how u can say he wasn’t, he ruled the seven kingdoms in peace for 30+ years… that is something very few kings ever accomplished, who cares if he never won a war or was never tested, his entire reign was peaceful
@carlhinman8130
@carlhinman8130 Жыл бұрын
Viserys was a good man but that's what kept him from greatness. Good men have a hard time ruling without advisors who share their vision.
@firasmassadeh5131
@firasmassadeh5131 Жыл бұрын
He was a good king he might have been obsessed with prophecy and the darkness that lies in the north. He should have been more firm with his wife and power hungry father otherwise he was a good man, father and king. A better man and father for his only child than being a king.
@HolyknightVader999
@HolyknightVader999 Жыл бұрын
Viserys I was a good man, but a mediocre king. He should have responded to the Triarchy with decisive force, he should have made Daemon his right hand when he fired Otto Hightower, and if he didn't want his daughter's right to the throne be questioned, he should have crowned her himself and gone for early retirement with Alicent.
@BMORETODAY
@BMORETODAY Жыл бұрын
Charmin soft but always tried to do the right thing
@DarkKing009
@DarkKing009 Жыл бұрын
Viserys 1st Targaryen 7/10 for King
@youngoutlaw5150
@youngoutlaw5150 Жыл бұрын
If you compare him to the mad king yes but that’s only because you’re comparing him to the worst king to ever exist in that’s dynasty
@CatotheE
@CatotheE Жыл бұрын
No. He tried though. I don't think he was the worst or anything. But he was probably in the bottom half.
@ghostinyourattic3545
@ghostinyourattic3545 Жыл бұрын
He was an absent king imo, he wasn't evil but misguided
@cristinademartini1284
@cristinademartini1284 11 ай бұрын
To me it seemed more Robert an anbsent king, since he wasn't interested in actively ruling and only partecipated in coucils only if war with Targaryens was involved (ie Daenerys's wedding and pregnancy). Viserys, instead, despite his defaults, he actively ruled, as he partecipated in all the councils and took decisions.
@Argos-xb8ek
@Argos-xb8ek Жыл бұрын
I don't think he was a good king hi's indecisiveness costs his family and the realm dearly. He was a kind man dare I even say good. I think he was a better king and man than Robert. As Viserys still had the realm enjoying a time of peace and prosperity for the most part.
@theelectricprince8231
@theelectricprince8231 Жыл бұрын
Robert knew to pick good an loyal hands, Ned and Jon. Robert also had peace and prosperity too.
@robertsmiley2207
@robertsmiley2207 Жыл бұрын
No he was not a good king the dance of the dragons could have been prevented on several occasions he couldn't control Otto and he also couldn't control his much younger wife
@theelectricprince8231
@theelectricprince8231 Жыл бұрын
He also spoilt his daughter and enabled her
@sarakilburn2711
@sarakilburn2711 Жыл бұрын
Lovely man, honourable enough, but not *nearly* tough enough to be King. It's possible to be too nice/lenient to the point people disrespect you and cross the line knowing there'll be no retribution. Bro finally started taking tongues decades into his reign - your whole family has dragons bro. Sic the dragons on some criminals. Instil the fear of god, in a measured, calculated way. In that way, he was a bad king. He'd have been much happier with his wife and daughter living as a prince in a castle far far away from politics and the bs.
@jasonpham3543
@jasonpham3543 Жыл бұрын
Biggest mistake Viserys made was not making Daemon hand.
@LH74
@LH74 Жыл бұрын
Biggest mistake Viserys made was not killing Daemon.
@EB-dz1gd
@EB-dz1gd Жыл бұрын
Daemon didn't even bother to rule his own kingdom. He is not good for positions that don't require martial skill.
@jefferydbzcoo
@jefferydbzcoo Жыл бұрын
No he had multiple times to end the in fighting in his family but decided not to act
@Priyo866
@Priyo866 Жыл бұрын
Lore-wise, he was a great king. He worked and successfully kept the golden age of peace and prosperity started by Jahaerys intact, fought no major wars, was beloved by the commoners, and really well respected by the nobility [a rare feat]. He also led his dynasty to the peak of its power, and just like his predecessor left a full treasury at the end. The fact that 80 years of complete tranquility ended and everything unraveled immediately after his death, that long peace and prosperity was never seen again, and Targaryens never reached the level of power and prestige that they had under Viserys, says something. Some do say that yes, he should've done more to stop the potential succession crisis that eventually resulted in disaster after his death - but for what we see in lore, he did a great job in every other respect while he was there.
@jorgemoya1341
@jorgemoya1341 Жыл бұрын
Also he had great conselors, while Otto works to the benefit of his family, he takes decisions that benefit the realm and his family, like the man as an administrator is amazing más the show has shown. Also the Hightower’s being so influential is a really big thing in this, the most powerful and influential politically family backs you.
@durrangodsgrief6503
@durrangodsgrief6503 Жыл бұрын
no it says how incompetent he was as the reason it fell his decisions caused the end of the golden age just because he maintained a status quo doesnt excuse the fact he ended it
@brightflamee
@brightflamee Жыл бұрын
I think he's below average he should've done a lot more than he did.
@bencollard7155
@bencollard7155 Жыл бұрын
he is better than Robert, because he did not gouge out Lucerys' eye as Robert obeyed the lannisters who are a real scourge
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
Good point!
@jennytsang2027
@jennytsang2027 Жыл бұрын
why so anti otto?
@tenkenroo
@tenkenroo Жыл бұрын
Yes and no. He wasn’t as good as his predecessor and kind of coasted on jaeherys success. He could not seem to see the storm of what was to come when he died. Viserys was a people pleaser and really should have put his foot down more on what happened in the stepstones. He should have reaffirmed rhayneras succession every 5-10 years of his rule. He should have taken aegons and aemonds education in matters of state and virtue into hand in case rhaynera was to die. Granted yes he was ill but how did he not see aegon as a drunken sot and aemond for the little psychopath that he was
@angelaholmes8888
@angelaholmes8888 Жыл бұрын
Viserys was a good king who was also a good man but he definitely made some terrible mistakes to me
@Radiotomb
@Radiotomb Жыл бұрын
5:33 the "ASOIAF" prophecy is in Clash of Kings. Daenerys sees a vision of Raegar, who explains the Ice & Fire prophecy to his wife. Raegar Targaryen was obsessed with prophecy and rediscovered the ASOIAF prophecy, which changed his life path (per Bariston's account) to declare he must become a warrior. The prophecy is canonical.
@MourningCoffeeMusic
@MourningCoffeeMusic Жыл бұрын
Viserys was serving Targaryen realness in episode 8 when he took that throne 🔥
@thallus23
@thallus23 Жыл бұрын
Viserys, first of his name, was a good guy, but he was a WEAK king✌️
@ocsjc13
@ocsjc13 Жыл бұрын
he was a good person not a good king
@TheLight_ThatBlinds
@TheLight_ThatBlinds Жыл бұрын
A good man, a bad king.
@deadheadwsp705
@deadheadwsp705 Жыл бұрын
How was he a good man? He showed favoritism to his daughter but never disciplined her or held her accountable for anything. He knew the issues that he caused naming rhaenyra his heir yet he still put her in that position anyway. He never fully trusts his brother even though he clearly was the only one in viserys corner. He allows the issues in the stepstones to continue without any action, which makes him look incredibly weak. Along with that, he is willing to end an entire bloodline before he’s willing to admit that his daughter fucked up
@StefanWinchester
@StefanWinchester 9 ай бұрын
A good man and father not a good king
@jasongonzalez6861
@jasongonzalez6861 2 ай бұрын
He's definitely below average. The only reason bad kings last is because of the hands that they have.
@Betared2003
@Betared2003 Жыл бұрын
Of all the Kings we saw on the show he was by far the best. Even when Ned was given the thrown, the power went to his head and he declared war on the Lannisters and Clegane's(without having support). People were unhappy because he never rushed into anything but by taking his time we got 20 years of peace in the realm. He always exercised restraint when almost every other King and Queen was quick to murder.
@theelectricprince8231
@theelectricprince8231 Жыл бұрын
He is a terrible king, Ned declared war on the Lannisters out of a sense of honor and justice not because power went to his head. Viserys was a cowards who failed to see the truth around him multiple times. He was a bad father and king, he just enabled his daughter but didn't do anything to teach her or secure her throne.
@Betared2003
@Betared2003 Жыл бұрын
@@theelectricprince8231 Visery's always showed restraint that's often much harder. If Ned thought about his family Cat, Robb, and Rickon wouldn't have been brutally murdered and Sansa raped. If Ned showed restraint and intelligence Renly would have been king and millions would have lived.
@theelectricprince8231
@theelectricprince8231 Жыл бұрын
@@Betared2003 Nonsense. There are so many factors that lead to the death of Ned, not just "restraint". Viserys was a coward. Tell me, should Robert and Ned have showed restraint when the Mad King called for their head? Nah, Viserys failed to see the evil that was/is brother and daughter. He failed to be a JUST king!
@Betared2003
@Betared2003 Жыл бұрын
@@theelectricprince8231 Had the Starks waited and not gone to Kings landing with Lyanna ran off with Rhaeger everybody would be alive. Viserys never acted immediately when he was confronted with news that his daughter went to the pleasure house...what did he do. He waited received information and got rid of Otto, Daemon, and the bastard, He didn't just go on the first piece of information like Robert, Joffrey, Ned, etc. Prudence and cowardice are two different things. Ned didn't secure his family's safety he chose to back Stannis who wasn't at the capitol over Renly who had Tyrell support. That cost Ned his head...his ego.
@theelectricprince8231
@theelectricprince8231 Жыл бұрын
@@Betared2003 Viserys sucks bro. Stop making excuses
@exoticbutters2781
@exoticbutters2781 Жыл бұрын
Short Answer: No. More detailed answer: NOOOOOOOOO!
@josmith2651
@josmith2651 Жыл бұрын
Damon should of been hand 👍and should of never married old al 🤣🤣🤣
@cristinademartini1284
@cristinademartini1284 11 ай бұрын
In order to be Hand you must be smart, clever and not impulsive: and on the first episodes, Daemon clearly didn't match those characterics. Old as he was, Viserys still had to remarried in order to strenghten his family and line in case of Rhaenyra's death.
@TheZyouj22
@TheZyouj22 Жыл бұрын
Viserys loved his children too much. A good father not a good king.
@QuinnTheGM
@QuinnTheGM Жыл бұрын
Child. He barely acknowledged the younger batch!
@IamRogue22
@IamRogue22 Жыл бұрын
His death was caused by a Magical Throne! Hell no he wasn’t a good king. Doesn’t mean he wasn’t “Likable”. But he wasn’t meant for the Throne.
@jessepinkman6413
@jessepinkman6413 11 ай бұрын
I think it is clear in the show that viserys is a bad king because of his constant cuts from the iron throne. Meagor the cruel, the mad king and i believe joffre in the books all constantly cut themselves on the throne. Although viserys is not as bad as these 3 he has a major flaw his weakness in most forms especially with disciplining his children not only rhaenyra but also aegon and aemond which resulted in the dance of the dragon.
@giorgigogolashvili3097
@giorgigogolashvili3097 Жыл бұрын
He is woefully incompetent. If he wanted his daughter to be the Queen he should have called a great council and established her as such. But he knew, being the spineless man that he was, that he could never convince the lords to name her as his heir.
@theelectricprince8231
@theelectricprince8231 Жыл бұрын
He is a terrible king. Viserys was a coward who failed to see the truth around him multiple times. He was a bad father and king, he just enabled his daughter but didn't do anything to teach her or secure her throne.
@delreque
@delreque Жыл бұрын
He was a good man bad king simple he has no real victory battle wise never stomp he authority timid .. his blunder started the dance of dragon that took down an entire dinesty
@tristanescure7384
@tristanescure7384 Жыл бұрын
He definitely wasn't a tyran but utimately I would say he was a bad king for 2 big reasons. First, he left no mark on the seven kingdoms. Fire and Blood notes little in regards to his reign. For all we know, he spent decades having feasts in castles. Unlike Jaehaeris I before him, he didn't archieve anything significant for the lords and commons under his rule. If Daemon and Corlys hadn't fought his battles while Otto and Lyonel ruled his kingdom, he would have crumbled onto himself. Second, he was a terrible family man, which led to both familial striff and civil war. His choice of heir wasn't necesserally bad but he didn't solidify it. Words aren't enough to make sure a controversial succession goes smoothly, which he should habe known but chose to ignore. Sticking to Rhaenyra while giving the Hightowers more influence in King's Landing and the realm at large is begging for a succession crisis. Ultimately, being a good man is not enough to be a good king. Viserys I was too naive and let strife fester when he had a lot of free time to adress it.
@takeetolayinka1951
@takeetolayinka1951 Жыл бұрын
A weakling king
@JohnnyFamas139
@JohnnyFamas139 Жыл бұрын
Your missing out on allot of key parts about his reign. Giving Otto and alicent way to much power even before he was bed ridden. Not punishing cole for his countless treasonous acts just to name a few. All these and more lead to the war and eventually downfall of the entire dynasty. He was a good man but not a good king.
@frustis
@frustis Жыл бұрын
A great person, but not a good king
@LH74
@LH74 Жыл бұрын
No! He was utter trash. Worse than Meagor. As bad as Aerys II.
@cristinademartini1284
@cristinademartini1284 11 ай бұрын
if he was as bad as Aerys II, Viserys would have burnt Daemon for dishonoring Rhaenyra and all the people who pissed him off. You may dislike Viserys, but comparing him with the Mad King is nonsense.
@bbaker4117
@bbaker4117 8 ай бұрын
You are no king.
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