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I like that the new devs are slowly addressing some of the systems that have been neglected for years.

The Incarnon system has done a way better job of bringing older weapons to the forefront than the Riven system, at this point if Rivens as a whole aren't reworked, they might as well go.

Now this is an interesting topic. Edit: Forgot to mention some weapons that have high dispositions are pretty op. The Synapse is a perfect example because by itself it’s a single target beast. But with a riven it becomes a weapon of mass destruction. Some weapons with high dispositions are fantastic but unused due to people gravitating to the meta.

I think rivens also just need huge quality of life additions. For instance, a major suggestion I've seen evreywhere is asking why we can't lock in certain stats on rivens. This would seriously reduce the grind, and maybe you can lock in a stat evrey 30-50 rolls so you can slowly create the perfect riven that you want. The OTHER issue is the rng in getting a riven for a weapon you actually want. My suggestion to that is make it so a riven will ALWAYS roll for the weapon it's equipped on when you unveil it.

At least in Duviri DE understood that their 85% of arsenal is not for shooting things and they just droped us archwing wepons

I think new weapons should be at 1.00 disposition. There's no reason to assume that a new weapon will be super strong, therefore 0.5 dispo, or super bad, therefore 1.5 dispo. Maybe for primes you can go for 0.9 or 0.95.

There just needs to be a baked-in way to make weapons better after a certain point. Some kind of weapon smithing. We have kitguns and incarnons, so we know it can happen.

Probably an awful idea, but I think riven mods should give base stats buffs like Incarnon evolutions

Here's an idea; I found out that because of Riven potentially giving three good stats that is usually the things you mod for in a weapon, how about we pursue that idea? An optional, minmax mod upgrade. I am not sure how exactly it would work in detail but the idea of consolidating mod stats in one mod allowing more build diversity is a good idea in my head. Besides, Riven has already failed with its intended use and Incarnon system is doing that already. Reworking the riven is really needed right now but that is one suggestion, pursuing the idea as a QoL mod upgrade.

EDIT: *PS: TLDR at the end.* The biggest problem with the rivens are the fact that the idea was a system which would boost the old and unused over time. This could be set up waay more efficiently. Weapon gets no usage what so ever, give it a small boost each month till it sees usage. If usage is quite a bit higher than the average weapon, drop it bit by bit each month till usage rates drop with it. This should also only be calculated with people using rivens to help see the actual stats. Not only that: It could be automated! Checking day-to-day usage for the month and giving an average riven usage time for all weapons which could be used to track the ones it affects and boost accordingly. This i see two outcomes with: Either people stop using rivens because they are too unstable(which they already are), or the riven balance would start equalize. The "once every three months" updating of rivens is too slow and hardcore with its balancing, so to find the correct numbers for each weapon a system would need to calculate faster and more efficiently. This is what we see with regulators in real life, as too slow scan times give less than stellar results. Remember this system is there to regulate the balancing of rivens, not weapons, cause weapon balance is a much bigger beast to deal with, with many more parameters that makes the weapon used or unused. TLDR; The rate of updating the rivens are too slow with too extreme changes, which makes the disposition unreliable. Speed up the rate of updates with a system or get a dedicated team to deal with the problems the riven mods face.

My most used Primary has always been the Zenith, from the moment I first got it to when I finally won the lottery for its Riven it was a staple of my Arsenal. I am praying to RNGesus that DE will make Incarnon Adapters for the Login Weapons, because they're all so interesting as-is but are just woefully power crept. (My most used is quickly becoming my Bramma which I also love, but man; I just want my Slash Rifle back).

Another great video, keep it up!

Ahh, the good old Scoliac slide attacks. :')

I certainly do agree that rivens need some significant changes and that incarnon weapons are doing what riven was suppose to far better BUT from what I see, they serve a different purpose for the same goal. The different purposes being automation vs hand crafted improvements. For all the praises for the incarnon weapons, the main issues for those are the time it takes to decide (what to give incarnon buff), design (how to improve) and develop an incarnon weapon requiring a lot more time, not to mention developer attention. This is on top of the fact that the designs are naturally going to overlap quit heavily, more so as time goes on, recreating the power-creep issue just with the layer of incarnon weapons. Rivens give far less meaningful benefits but since they are just randomly generated, it's faster and requires minimal attention and time from the developers. Only requiring them to see how popular each weapons are then just quickly going through the dispositions if necessary. That said, with how large the list of weapons are in the game, regardless of if the disposition changes are done manually or via algorithm, it's going to cause problems somewhere, in some form (be it forgetting certain weapons or misunderstanding why X weapon is popular). Again, rivens could do with some improvements. Though, how to go about with improving them is the question. Having the rivens give bonuses like the incarnon perks might sound good initially, but even small numbers there can give a large benefit, meaning unless low disposition means like + 1 or 2 base damage, or like less than 10% crit chance, the meta weapons are still naturally going to out-perform (that is unless if the high disposition is like +20 base damage / +40% crit chance). The randomness of the rivens are going to make it a very delicate balancing act.

I'm happy to see this title from you Nova. Important topic.

Imagine if after a certain dispo, rivens start adding to actual base stats, or the weapon can have more than 1 riven put onto it.

Hello Nova I like your video and I would like to ask why people like there's negative stat on the riven cause I got strong riven that enhance CC and CD but I can't sell cause no negative stat

>”Here’s another riven video...” >Move mouse to close the tab >”… on why it sucks.” >Stay and watch the whole thing, even the ads

I think a certain mesa lover once said Rivens crawled so inc adapters can run

I jad no idea riven disposition changed that explains quite a lot about my weapons feeling weak out of no where

Snipetron vandal was my first ever fav sniper and i even had a good riven for it cd cc heat -grineer but it still didnt match a goddamn rivenless rubico prime in trido hunts

I agree to a point, but also something to consider is how dramatic changes to riven dispo can effect the riven market in general. As it stands right now, with a starting riven dispo of .5, the price of said rivens for new released weapons is fairly stable. If they were to change this to 1.0 on release (riven dispo of 3) then they decide the weapon is too popular or strong and drop it down to a riven dispo of .5.... well then youre going to have some fairly upset players. I think their strategy at this moment is stability and consistency rather than volitility and uncertainty. I do think a different system would be more fun though, as i personally am not involved in the riven market at all so i dont actually care if they make it volatile lol. Me see big number me happy.

There's also the problem that we have so many weapons, literal hundreds, yet every dispo changes only addresses a miniscule fraction. Like for example, when was the last time the akstilleto prime where the go-to secondary for most players? Yet their dispo is still incredibly low, same with other weapons.

DE: "We change disposition to encourage you to use your favorite weapons." Also DE: "You like your weapon too much so we're nerfing it."

"I'll see you when Gauss prime drops" yeah well we got Grendel so I'll be seeing ya during Christmas lol

I'm kinda mad that Pyrana prime has such a low dispo. It's not popular because it's strong (compare to other AOE weapon anyway), it's popular because the gimmick is cool and I really wish DE would just make the Pyrana prime gimmick refresh on kills

now i played on ps4 back with all the melee stuff. i was a big endless melee player. especially after i got my zenistar. at the old login reward way. the 45 sec timer was a good thing. but i quite before the megaaaa melee nerf and they tried to play it off as it was cuz of maiming strike and bloodrush. when the only issue was it was cuz maiming was additive crit chance. if it had been normal +90% like the other crit mods it wouldnt have been as popular especially low crit melees. so back to my thought. the zenistar. the update that i head that killed it was they made its combo meter tied to the time it stays out. so you would have to build combo then throw it. which is simply what the weapon was not made for. its a slow swing heavy blade and was specifically made to be thrown out constantly to actually use it and spread status. and ofc could buff it by stealthing or avenger procs and such.

playing warframe now since 2022. 1.6k Hours played. And still have no clue about rivens. Dispositions for example.

Seeing a superwog clip in this is crazy 🤣

I think maybe a limit on increasing is pointless but a limit on decreasing for tweaking makes sense.

12:34 Time Capsule comment, I’ll be back for the Gauss Prime Access to see if Latron’s dispo folded into itself like a spider and died

2:15 SUPERWOGG!!!!

really only .30% for fang prime? back in my day we use to spin across maps with them

Depending on the prime it should have 1-3 pips lower than its non-prime weapon

i said this on the community post pointing the same issue, and i'll goddamn say it again. rivens should add base stats. do what incarnons do, but without the alt-fire. then, disposition would mean something. higher usage, stronger weapons would get the lowest disposition and get god awful stats boosts or perks that change little to nothing, while the abandoned weapons, that were kicked and spit on by DE, get actual significant base stat boosts and great perks. an additional base 10% CC would work absolute wonders on most weapons, or having a base MS of 3 when killing an enemy for a certain duration would boost utility through the roof. even for some prime weapons. like the Afuris being able to get explosive bullets, or tethering bullets more like the Toxocysts Incarnon. speaking of prime versions, there's also literally no reason to get primes lately other than the sweet new fashion and mediocre stat increases. why throw your 7 forma wisp into the _mouth_ when wips prime offers nothing but a cool skin you're probably going to change for a tennogen skin. adding actual sinergy between prime warframes and their weapons would make forgotten prime weapons and even warframes actually worth more. for example, making the Latron Prime deal an additional cold shot, when wielded by Frost Prime. or having the Afuris Prime do more damage to enemies disarmed by Baruuk Prime's Desolate Hands. fun interactions like that would add more spice to weapons and warframes that see little to no use. like Hydroid. rest in piece, Hydroid. rivens and primes as they are right now feel mostly like a scam, and that comes from someone who has every single prime warframe and weapon with a fully fleshed build.

One thing I've noticed about how the devs handle weapon balancing, is that they develop long-standing hatred of weapons that are "too popular", and absolutely abuse and neglect the hell out of them long past the point that they're no longer relevant. Zenistar's disposition isn't just the devs being lazy and forgetting about it. It's active hostility towards the weapon. They want it to stay dead because they hated what it used to be. That said. They do also just forget about a lot of weapons or refuse to bother out of shear lazyness. But I can think of quite a few weapons the devs actively and noticeably sabotage out of spite.

I think there should be simple rules - weapon has aoe - less dispo. Because aoe guns can scale crazy. Has inracnon - also less dispo. Because incarnon is very good boost for weapon in 99% cases. And new weapons come out with 1 (?) dispo and 0.75 if incarnon/aoe.

Make a vid on foundry time gating please

The Rauta was made to increase the combo counter, not for damage. Also, have they nerfed anything after the direction change?

its worth to mention that in some rare cases prime weapons are actually worse than their normal counterpart if you have a good riven came to mind since thats exacly whats happening with wisp primes weapons both of these have very minor stat changes that might justify using them over the base version but in the case of having a good riven they are straight up worse killing every hype for them and every motivation to farm them i have a decent fulmin riven for example and after some testing it turned out the prime is actually lacking behind the normal one when using the riven just sad

Rivens are ment to help buff far more unused weaker weapons but putting rng in them is a terrible fucking idea but my idea I got to alleviate the issue is rivens with higher disposition example if a riven has 2 disposition anytime the riven for that weapon is rerolled the players have a choice to choose one stat to stay the same but reroll it’s number if you have 4 disposition you can lock on 2 different stats and 5 disposition you can lock on 3 stats and if you 1 or 0 no stats can be locked it’ll help rivens for weaker weapons a ton.

three words: sneaky subscription model

As Sabuuchi said in his video about rivens. "Polishing a turd only makes it a fancy turd"

Rather than be a hamfisted collection of mod stats, a Riven might benefit from unique properties, like giving flat numbers like the Supra Suda mod that gives a flat 20% status chance. If Incarnons affect before mods, Rivens could affect after mods. Same way Puncture and Cold, Avenger, and Harrow all offer post mod benefits. The Fatal Flaw in a Riven reviving an old weapon is it thinking 300% crit chance means anything to a Base of 5. Incarnons add base stats before mods, making the Latron's hard ~25% crit needing +300% chance to reach 100, can now slot just Point Strike with it's base of 50. This is what makes them Crazy, Rivens merely get pushed ahead from this. These weapons having their dispositions nerfed would be making Rivens a victim of a problem they didn't even cause. Regardless, people will flip shit if anything changes i imagine.

If they nerf my latron i hope its just for the bounce damage and not for base form. It's a dream come true in base form

Good thing to note also: most players dont use rivens until late, late game, or at least have bad rivens. For end-game players who have godrolls, this is a genuine reason to try other stuff (even though you’ll have to farm rivens for the new stuff, so it's not really convenient) over players who cannot or should not do so, because of lack of resources and/or playtime.

Crazy broken weapons have insane dispo too, like the Nami Solo, this sht got 1.43 riven dispo and is broken already

Rivens, to me, seems like a good addition to the game. If my Akvasto Prime can deliver huge kicks with a crit riven, then hell yeah, the Stat stick weapons like ripkas or ether sword, those shouldn't be touched, imo, it's weapons no one use and it has high disposition, yes it is used for frames like Atlas and Khora, so in a way the weapon gets a use, perhaps not the way DE thinks off. Incarnon geneses no touched disposition, unexpected to be honest, but hey, they hit like a truck.

Incarnons are great way to buff old weapons but if im being honest, they feel like an over correction, like i now feel if im not running incarnon weapons im just using bad weapons, like example is the bubonico is an amazing weapon but when i compare it to just what any of the incarnon guns do it feels weak, the incarnon melee weapons i feel got the balance a bit better (though i dont like most of them for not feeling very unique) where i dont feel like i have to run an incarnon melee weapon and can keep up with other melee just as well.

Aksomati Prime has had low Dispo FOREVER. It's been 5 YEARS SINCE IT'S BEEN META.

Imo, they should change every month, they could change the system in which a riven mod can either have very high stats or low stats on a given riven

what i would try is to remove dispo, and make a new slot for rivens mod on arsenal, so you would be really making the weapon stronger by having one more mods, but the catch is the slot itself, if weapon is weak, give it universal polarity, if not weak nor OP, no polarity, if OP it would be umbra, so people would use any spare points to inject more in the build, and stronger weapons are already very tight so they cant become uber without sacrifices.

In my opinion, Status effects are the Key to making low tier be relevent on the level of Aoe´s and incarnons. I am trying to spam this everytime i can bring it up; giving puncture, impact and gas, etc an area of effect aspect would probably lift a lot of them out of the mud. Puncture stacking penetration on enemies, allowing bullets an additional punch-through mechanic, impact dealing knockback damage on body collision, and blast actually blasting and dealing good damage in an area. Otherwise, The release of weapon rivens is possibly nerfed due to the Market. I mean it´s better to have trash gaining value, then scamming around 1k Plat rivens on the first month, and being left with a potentially wasted modslot in the next. I think we can all agree; DE should look at the old weapons, and not just add add add and feature creep it up. While i love the incarnon upgrades, old weapons like the Stug (still waiting for an incarnon stugg) should be allowed to deal with things. Without making your whole build revolve around making it somehow average.

To me the real problem with the Riven system is that they are 2 walls of RNG, first is what weapon the riven is for and then it's the stats. They are just straight up hit or miss, you either get a riven for a good weapon or one for a bad weapon, but then you run into the 2nd and arguably worse problem, the stats. With numero 2 you either roll few times (or not at all) and every percentage is a positive and really pushes how far the weapon can go or you've been rolling the fcker for the past several months and every roll has ben shite. I have 2 examples of this in my inventory, my Prisma skana is the former, rolled few times and most of the stats are balling (+ i have the incarnon) and then my Corinth prime is the latter, rolled it 25 times and each has been arse. There is one apt word to describe rivens, Unreliable. They work or they don't also not going into the discussion of the riven market, that shit is a grift, I'm staying the hell away from it

10:33 furax wraith dispo dropped is not because of "Amalgam Furax Body Count" having secondary fire rate increase. instead, "Amalgam Furax Body Count" gives +20% Blast Radius on Specialized Launchers. this gives weapons like kuva zarr a buff like pfirestorm. People who actually use furax wraith(do they actually exist?XD) complained about the change bc the riven dispo got decreased just because of a huge amount of people was using it for aoe.

One of the biggest problems with rivens can be demonstrated with those Redeemer stats you showed, and some simple math. Weapon A has 5% crit chance, while weapon B has 20% crit chance. The same riven gives A 500% crit chance, and B 100% crit chance: A will have 30% crit chance, while B will have 40% crit chance. Weapon B is still the obvious pick, because even insane % buffs can't fix terrible base stats. This is something that the Incarnon adapters got this right because they increased the base stats by a fixed amount: making those weapons more viable.

In fairness riven dispo changes really helped save on Forma because why would a forma a new prime weapon when the non prime version has forma & a riven with a better dispo.

I feel like Rivens should have theur iwn slot like an Arcane, like it feels super bad to waste a slot cause some Rivens give you worse Stats than a normal base mod. This way Riven can only add to a build or you get one more slot to fix your Riven's negative.

I've always said, new weapons should have max disposition since no one is using them on release. But seriously, even though my opinion was slightly serious as it'd give a reason to actually use new weapons especially primes we already have rivens for especially single target weapons because they can't compete with AOE kpm unless they literally instantly delete the target they click on, would be to forgo the "usage" relevance to disposition and have it actually be thought out rather than up to popularity. Gimmick weapons like furax are worse off for buffing other weapons making them even less usable as an actual weapon, veterans have no incentive to use new weapons as they are not worth using in a serious kpm build. Id even venture that changing rivens to give both a percentile and a flat bonus per perk based on disposition would be a good idea, example, kuvat bramma getting 40% crit chance (modded) and 2% base crit for a crit roll on a riven while stug would get 150% modded and 16% base crit on a crit roll.

even putting aside how badly dispos are balanced: i think the worst part about rivens is that really if they wanted to do what they're stated to be for, they should be flat stats (like +17 heat damage rather than +17% heat damage) to allow weapons with lower stats to shine past their garbage stats. dispositions could still be used, but should then be based on the amount of time that the weapon is actually... out and in the hands of the warframes, rather than in the pocket) kuva is a massive issue, it is such a monumental drain to actually get kuva that if you were to try to roll a new riven until you got vaguely acceptable stats, it can very easily take weeks to just... get something usable, which is made worse by the fact that this means that you will almost certainly only do this for weapons that are already good without the riven, because its hard to rationalize investing hundreds of thousands of kuva on..... idk, the Hind, when you could instead use that kuva on the chance that your 0.5 dispo riven is actually better than one of your equipped mods. on that note; rolling for stats is such a laborious process even if you somehow have infinite kuva; if you want to have a good riven, even ignoring the exact number rolls, which for some odd reason can differ by more than 10% even on identical rolls, and even ignoring that you will probably want a specific combination rather than just general good stats slapped into whatever weapon you have, thats still a 1/509 chance of getting alright stats. we desperately need some system to let us lock in stats, or to let us select some sort of "wish" selection, where every time we have a higher and higher chance of getting those stats. (and by the way, why does it cost more to roll a riven if the riven is giving more trouble, shouldnt it be the other way around as a pity-system style mechanic??) finally, actually getting rivens for weapons you even own can be a hassle, rivens just roll randomly for any weapon in the category. honestly i dont know how to fix this other than letting people choose their rivens somehow, either through pity systems or through direct choice, but seriously im tired of getting rivens for shit that i dont own because i threw it out 6 years ago or because it literally just came out this patch and i dont want it. overall, rivens need such a massive rework, and i hope that somebody out there will read my drunken ramblings and shape them up and refine them and move the ball bit by bit to the desk of DE so that they maybe fucking fix this system which in reality only really serves to buff broken weapons and do absolutely nothing for weaker weapons.

how to fix: let us empower all of the weapons how we want

350hours gameplay. What even are riven mods? I see purple mods with nonsensical requirements to unlock.

I like Rivens cause number goo brrrrr

It's funny I've been a warframe player for over 7 plus years started in 2014 and left and came back here and there but lol. Rivens are broken and their challenges at time make things impossible all for the CHANCE of a good weapon roll... wish de changes this by allowing us to select the weapon and the challenge be random or varied :/

Here comes the Torid dispo nerf with Gauss Prime access lol

Zenistar use to be my favorite melee…. Till DE destroyed it

Pls DE not my new ocucor riven! It Just got a second lifechance.

Ah yes I remember when the Bramma came out and I was like: "This thing is too broken... fires too fast... too much aoe control...and 35 ammo?" And I liked playing with the slow Lenz back in the day of this monster but here I look at it and go: "Well there goes any reason to EVER USE LENZ AGAIN!" These days.. it's abit more balanced....HAH NO! The Lenz still needs to have like a lot of fire rate up mods to even keep up. While the Bramma? *ammo mutation mod* And what did they do to counteract this? Change the ammo drop and now Lenz weeps... Seriously we need a TENET LENZ, since I miss this ole thing. It was such a fun weapon...but why use it these days as an explosive bow?

The big problem I have with rivens is that it can be nearly impossible to get a decent riven so why waste time getting a good riven for a weak weapon? They need to add in a way to reliably grind for rivens and riven stats so that you don’t need to rely on gacha mechanics to get lucky

Rivens can't fix single target weapons in a horde shooter. They can't even compete with Devouring Attrition. Unless building a statstick, their most efficient stat is how much platinum they can be sold for.

I was against rivens from the start, and even gave an idea of incarnon. Most thought impossible. I just hope they now don't move away from rivens as some weapons like my baby baza NEED it to compete with the same prime incarnon... Which isn't even the best.

As the great Tribulos says: "Canadians...."

All new prime weapons are not .5. Scourge prime wasn't .5 on release.

paris prime is gas asf 5/5 with an incarnate

dawg I’ve been really liking your content as of late. I’m personally really into Warframe (although I’m only mr6) and your content really immerses me in the game and makes me want to play more and get better. Overall you got a long time subscriber man 🫶🏾💪🏾

in paper they nerfed phenmors devouring attricion perk, since the weapon has puncture on it, and puncture now increases critical chance on hit, that is the conclusion i8 got from the vids ive seen so far. The rivens should be replaced/integrated on a new system that allows the player to create their own mods, imagine earning points to increase the stats of you custom mod, like if you roll the riven with kuva to get the set of stats and use the points you earned either by your mastery rank level or weapon class mastery? that way you could truly enjoy and make the weapon you like strong enough to be usable in the current game status, saying or claiming that people should not pick weapons for their power is like claimingthat eating burguers for the patty is ridiculous, in warframe either you render the enmy unable to kill you or you kill it faster than they can react, weak old weapons cannot help you unless they provide some kind of support for the rest of your loadout. The meta is not fun but powerful and efficient, if you take away from the weapons that i think are cool and fun and cripple them even further by not giving the m afighting chance, then I will just stick to the meta. without my phenmor i would not even try doing archon hunts, if they make it unplayable or make these bullet sponge bosses even more annoying to kill, I will stop doing the hunts all together. This could be an exageration but it gives you an idea of why we want the most pwoer of the weapons we use in game, some content are just stupidly annoying to tackle without an efficient way to do them, teh meta is jsut our way to do this, instead of triying to stop the meta, they should offer alternative options to let us actually experiment and enjoy our arsenal

I highly doubt rivens will ever really change, mainly because a large percentage of trading in Warframe is over priced rivens (which is what DE wants) Edit: love that they are nerfing Latron, even though it still has a 4 outa 5 riven despo even after Wisps drop. Bravo DE yet another system that will be nerfed into the ground because you made it work to well, it’s like you did something correct, but turned around and said, “well you see…. This ‘endgame’ weapon is to strong for ‘endgame’ content so we are going to nerf this ‘endgame’ weapon so it will only be semi descent at ‘endgame’.” 🤦‍♂️I swear a toddler could do better

I find it sad that the further we get into the future, the more weapons are becoming obsolete. For example, the Argo and Vel is now one of the best Sword and Shield in the game that can be bought immediately as soon as you start the game, being a direct upgrade of the Sigma and Octantis, which you have to wait for. And the more Incarnons we get, the weapons that were powerful in the past get shelved. I don't care what people say, things like the Bramma and Cedo are fun as hell. But when weapons can now not only act the same, and can be modded to be the same as them, whats the point of using those kind of weapons? Personally, for me, it feels like theyre taking two steps forward and one step back.

There's only 2 solutions for Rivens: 1. Get rid of Rivens completely. 2. Make it so that not EVERY weapon in the game has to have a Riven, make it so that every season of Nightwave introduces a new wave of available Riven mods to specific weapons from the previous season.

... And that's only if you think Rivens are a worthwhile system.

Daikyu forever

New Primes should have same dispo as non Prime variants. I mean would anyone still be using Afuris Prime even if it had full dispo? Nah, it would have been a bit of fun before the next Prime Access but it wouldn’t change the game

Personally, i think riven disposition needs to be removed entirely and rivens should just be at what would have been considered the highest disposition stats. Rivens already fail in getting people to try weaker weapons because even with a riven it isn't worth it because it's a weaker weapon for a reason. . . The issue is the weapon itself, not the riven. That and the amount of kuva it takes sometimes is absurd to the point where even if it was worth it, you probably don't want to anyways because of how long it would take. If anything having all rivens set to max disposition permanently would not only make it more worth it for some weaker weapons, but most importantly, it would also be FUN. Warframe isn't PvP, it's PvE. Why can't they just let us have OP busted stuff and have fun? There's ALWAYS going to be a "meta" so let us just have fun with rivens.

rivens dispo needs to be updated more frequently since the current system is simply too slow correctly reflect the state of most guns in the game, i would also increase the maximum riven dispo for especially shit weapons cause a +600% more damage on a stug riven would be incredibly funny

I think that the dispo weapons launch with was set to the lowest value because of content creators. When DE made a great, popular, and fun to use weapon the dispo would go down in the next riven adjustment patch and content creators would all post videos that said that DE "nerfed" the cool new weapon that players were using. So DE got negative KZfaq vids every time they did a good job so they changed the base value so there are only buffs instead of nerfs when new weapons come out.

Give riven their own slots for modding on all weapons. Add archon shards system for weapons. Get rid of disposition. This is power fantasy game. Let us be dummy powerful. That would fix rivens imo. Metas are still gonna meta.

rivens are really only for min maxing/speed they arent madatory and dont forget about what the weapon fires chain beams are way better then most bullet hoses

DE said they wanted to give people to use their favourite weapons, and not just pick solely based on power NOT "they want you to keep rotating weapons", which is what you claimed they said AFTER you read out what they actually said. SMMFH

My lex prime incarnon without riven does 56k base dmg incarnon form, with riven its 115k base dmg incarnon(riven +237% dmg, 145% multishot). Rivens should always be a viable element in the game but get rid of the dispo system.

I despise the riven system i love how they do have so many multi stats and i have been begging the game to lower the rng on the rolling i have been rolling a riven at over 500 rolls for over a year now just to get shat stats every time

rivens are my only source of income.

What they should have done was start giving very unpopular weapons like the Stug very insane riven stats, like, X10 damage multipliers. 500% crit. The weapon had a good gomick but terrible execution, and this would habe made the weapon useable. But no, DE is overbalancing.

Feel like they should just have every riven the same dispo it’s a pve game let people use what they want too

If they nerf my Latron Prime riven im going to cry ive been using this thing years before incarnon was even a thing Latron P is my most used weapon I never asked for it to become broken and overpowered I'd rather lose the incarnon form (ME PERSONALLY JUST ME) than my riven for it becoming useless (I know this is really a personal issue/1st world problem but it sucks nonetheless lol)

at this point i think DE should get rid of disposition system on rivens and embrace that it's an min max system rivens failed in it's original purpose and incarnons are doing it better than rivens could have ever wished set all dispositions at 1.0 and let players have fun

Dex furis is far superior than afuris prime because of the riven dispo.

The reason is simple: DE does not play Warframe by themselves. They should hire Gaz or another CC and they would start to understand their own product

Rivens have no need for dispo any imo set it to a flat 100% because we now have incarnon adaptors to give old underused weapons their luster and I think that system is way more engaging and effective than the Rivens

just get rid of the system or let us lock stats , lower the roll cost, let us get rivens faster