The Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion vs Q6600/8800GT: Yesterday's PC, Today's Performance Tests

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Digital Foundry

4 жыл бұрын

Alex Battaglia and John Linneman revisit PC gaming classics from days gone by, reassessing performance on era-appropriate hardware using today's frame-rate/frame-time analysis tools. In this episode, Oblivion is the focus - a game that set new standards for open world RPGs when it launched in 2006.
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@rekware9320
@rekware9320 4 жыл бұрын
I will say this...that soundtrack hasnt and will not age a day as opposed to the graphics...classical music still emotes and conveys so much even now in 2020..
@DirEnGay
@DirEnGay 4 жыл бұрын
Fitting soundtracks and a great story don't age. It's one of the arguments for why graphics aren't important, though it doesn't hurt if your World looks as beautiful as the original creator imagines it. I still jam to the soundtrack of 'Gain Ground' from 1988... and I love classical music too.
@Kleavers
@Kleavers 4 жыл бұрын
There are still songs on the SNES that sound incredible. Nintendo really put a good sound chip in there.
@Amp5150
@Amp5150 4 жыл бұрын
harvest dawn. love that track
@evo7836
@evo7836 4 жыл бұрын
The sound track to Oblivion is marvelous still to this day.
@Lauren_C
@Lauren_C 4 жыл бұрын
Daemonshade I would that, within reason, graphics can be tuned not to age. Art style is key however. Final Fantasy XII and Valkyria Chronicles, while not great on a technical level, still looks amazing because they nailed their intended art direction. Oblivion falls short in my opinion, but not by much, which is no less impressive given the sheer scale achieved. It’s really the lighting and character shaders that I find to be lacking as they seem disappointingly flat. I feel it didn’t quite hit the i tended art direction. Music is highly underrated in video games. Some of my favorite songs have come from Croc, Legend of the Gobbos. 😝
@nathanddrews
@nathanddrews 4 жыл бұрын
The music. My God, the music is exceptional. Jeremy Soule absolutely killed it. Even when the graphics or physics get silly or weird, that score just brings it back and ties it all together.
@siceastwood2714
@siceastwood2714 4 жыл бұрын
When walking through valleys while listening to through the valleys never gets old and what would the world be without oblivion town music memes anyway
@aninfinitemindofmusicandreams
@aninfinitemindofmusicandreams 4 жыл бұрын
He's my favorite game composer and a big inspiration for me as a musician. This isn't about Oblivion vs Skyrim, but I feel like in Skyrim he did his best work, but Oblivion is a close second.
@user-qe7bt9dz1l
@user-qe7bt9dz1l 4 жыл бұрын
I’d argue Morrowind had the best music and even atmosphere of ALL the Elder Scrolls games.
@105wonky8
@105wonky8 4 жыл бұрын
Mystic Dan it does indeed
@casualcadaver
@casualcadaver 4 жыл бұрын
This game has amazing music but Skyrim is even better.
@xFlared
@xFlared 4 жыл бұрын
Mom: "Why are you starring at digital bricks". Me: Even if I tell you, you will never understand.
@chestinawaterloo2696
@chestinawaterloo2696 4 жыл бұрын
"Mom, pull my sack out like a hairy pancake. We'll keep our jewelry here."
@mickthreek
@mickthreek 4 жыл бұрын
@@chestinawaterloo2696 wtf
@BudgetBuildsOfficial
@BudgetBuildsOfficial 4 жыл бұрын
Runs fine on the ol 256MB Version of the card. I can verify
@thomaskelly2108
@thomaskelly2108 4 жыл бұрын
Yes
@gNpNct
@gNpNct 4 жыл бұрын
@Test You 'avin a stroke there mate?
@BudgetBuildsOfficial
@BudgetBuildsOfficial 4 жыл бұрын
@Test You're right it isn't running it at PS3 levels. This card can keep a stable 30Fps 👉😎👉
@dotalegendery3998
@dotalegendery3998 4 жыл бұрын
@@BudgetBuildsOfficial well said. Specially skyrim that thing was broken on ps3
@AssailantLF
@AssailantLF 4 жыл бұрын
@Test Look at this guy, shaking his head, smh
@Riddlewire
@Riddlewire 4 жыл бұрын
DF has never done a video breakdown of Stalker. Please fix this.
@Dr.WhetFarts
@Dr.WhetFarts 4 жыл бұрын
why, the game is meh.
@toomuchstarbucks6787
@toomuchstarbucks6787 4 жыл бұрын
@@Dr.WhetFarts because, especially when thinking about mid to late 2000s PC titles, its hard not to think about Stalker.
@SpecShadow
@SpecShadow 4 жыл бұрын
@@Dr.WhetFarts The engine itself is worth DF's attention. So much mess, so much potential... Good thing that Anomaly mod and 64bit engine dealt with most issues like stuttering and random hickups.
@Riddlewire
@Riddlewire 4 жыл бұрын
@@Dr.WhetFarts Because Digital Foundry's purpose is to discuss gaming technology, both hardware and software. At the time it came out, nothing could compete with Stalker visually (it's also a great game, but I'll allow your ignorance). Also, since when does it matter whether or not a game is any good for DF to analyze it? As John referenced in this Oblivion video, they once did a breakdown of LICHDOM:BATTLEMAGE, which I have played and can confirm is the worst game released this millennium.
@StayFractalesque
@StayFractalesque 4 жыл бұрын
@@Riddlewire lol, theres always that one first comment reply that is just a few words, and it's overwhelming negative, but with no accompanying argument.. just "shits trash" and they return to the abyss lol
@nick1822
@nick1822 4 жыл бұрын
I got a “broken” gateway desktop from a buddy for free in like 2012 I think with these exact specs. I remember it booting up but having graphical problems. I learned about the famous 8800gt baking trick and it brought the computer back to life. I used to play oblivion maxed out and Skyrim on that computer at medium setting 1080p 60fps and that’s how I got into pc gaming
@xXBlackAngelDoomXx
@xXBlackAngelDoomXx 4 жыл бұрын
what's the trick?
@Sheovion
@Sheovion 4 жыл бұрын
@@xXBlackAngelDoomXx i think he is talking about putting the graphics card on the oven, it's a trick that some people do when the graphics card is artifacting (but this is not recommended, just in extreme cases, if it's not the case, just take it to a IT technician)
@nathaniliescu4597
@nathaniliescu4597 4 жыл бұрын
How pathetic.
@TheIdiotPlays
@TheIdiotPlays 3 жыл бұрын
@@nathaniliescu4597 ?
@boosted2022
@boosted2022 2 ай бұрын
@@nathaniliescu4597how pathetic.
@gobblerofgoo8120
@gobblerofgoo8120 4 жыл бұрын
I love how everything glows in oblivion, it's just appealing to me. The environments might be a little sparse now but when it came out Oblivion was easily the best looking game i had ever seen.
@blaucopter196
@blaucopter196 4 жыл бұрын
The beautiful music of Oblivion always takes me back. Well, must be time to start a new game....... for the 1000th time!
@chronical
@chronical 4 жыл бұрын
Sounds like you didn’t play morrowind
@skorpioflo
@skorpioflo 4 жыл бұрын
12:15 I almost had a heart attack 😂
@HeinSmit1
@HeinSmit1 4 жыл бұрын
I'm half asleep chilling to this then this hits 😂
@jrsomethingnumbers9704
@jrsomethingnumbers9704 4 жыл бұрын
WHAT WAS THAT NOISE
@Ceielo
@Ceielo 4 жыл бұрын
My heart is still pounding. Had to check comments to make sure I wasn't the only one.
@theoroinvictus
@theoroinvictus 4 жыл бұрын
CRAB BATTLE!!
@ulrichleukam1068
@ulrichleukam1068 4 жыл бұрын
@@jrsomethingnumbers9704 The alert sound in Metal Gear Solid 5, It can be heard when you have been detected by guards
@ralphengland8559
@ralphengland8559 4 жыл бұрын
Oblivion was the first 360 game I played. I was blown away at the time. Then I played Dead Rising. That generation was a pronounced improvement from the previous.
@105wonky8
@105wonky8 4 жыл бұрын
Push boundaries
@Psych0technic
@Psych0technic 4 жыл бұрын
Was one of my very firsts too. Along with gears of war and splinter cell double agent. Those consoles were indeed an impressive machines for their time. Shame they were squeezed for too long as they were choking in their late years with bad performance and sub hd visuals.
@HondaAccordPerformance
@HondaAccordPerformance 4 жыл бұрын
Psych0technic Sub hd or not Alan Wake looked amazing Gears 3 ran great and more the consoles lasted a while because they were built on higher spec when pc gamers were using single core cpus in 2005 the 360 launched with a triple core 6 thread cpu.
@TheVanillatech
@TheVanillatech 2 жыл бұрын
But still absolute dogshit compared to gaming PC's. imagine how PC gamers felt, having hundreds of amazing franchises built on PC over the years, to have the industry sell them out to console gamers with dumbed down gameplay, mechanics, and terrible graphics running at awful framerates. And that was when the "golden age" of gaming ended, and all we have had since is commercial shite on outdated console hardware.
@spiral7041
@spiral7041 Жыл бұрын
@@TheVanillatech The 360 was actually stronger than high end PCs at launch
@Twentyeightnine1
@Twentyeightnine1 4 жыл бұрын
Patrick Stewart's voice for the Emperor was such a perfect choice
@infinitysynthesis
@infinitysynthesis 4 жыл бұрын
The Martin character was voiced by Sean Bean 😄
@grizzlyhamster
@grizzlyhamster 4 жыл бұрын
@@infinitysynthesis Yeah. Shame they blew their entire voice budget on those two, and had to get about 6 people from around the Bethesda office to do ALL the other voices.
@JustOneGuy
@JustOneGuy 4 жыл бұрын
@@grizzlyhamster nothing changed with skyrim then lol, almost same amount of voice actors for 90% of game characters
@TechnoMinarchist
@TechnoMinarchist 4 жыл бұрын
@@JustOneGuy 1 guy does like 80% of them
@retroviral3495
@retroviral3495 4 жыл бұрын
By Azura! By Azura! By Azura! It's the Digital Foundry!
@rabbitenjoyer6320
@rabbitenjoyer6320 4 жыл бұрын
can we talk about the circa-2005 business casual attire seen at 2:35? Hoodie AND a blazer!
@Psych0technic
@Psych0technic 4 жыл бұрын
You should watch full Xbox 360 presentation. There's some killer outfits there!
@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE
@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE 4 жыл бұрын
And those trousers haha... The days of the pseudo-flares.
@The_Sloth_Man
@The_Sloth_Man 4 жыл бұрын
Ah loved this game so much. My favorite Elder Scrolls, and I know I am a minority but the world, guilds, story, the way every character can be different meaning that you don't have a player that just can do everything perfect like in Skyrim, so it encourage you to actually play certain classes to better fit what you have to do for say guilds. I hope they bring back acrobatics, athleticism, and much better conjuration and quest building. Also, being a gladiator is badass and would like to see what they can do with today's talent/technology. Lastly, they definitely need to bring back repairing your weapons and armor. Especially with the smithing capabilities of Skyrim, it doesn't make sense that they took it out.
@OGPatriot03
@OGPatriot03 4 жыл бұрын
Ditto
@jujuFL8
@jujuFL8 4 жыл бұрын
100% agreed
@mononoke721
@mononoke721 4 жыл бұрын
Have to disagree on the repairing - that was an annoying hassle in Oblivion. Also, I only played through Oblivion once and did pretty much everything in the game so you definitely didn't need to 'role-play' in any strict sense.
@OGPatriot03
@OGPatriot03 4 жыл бұрын
@@mononoke721 Meh, I disagree with you on that. In Oblivion items lasted a pretty long while before breaking with a few items in the game being class cannons to a degree, epic dmg but not the best durability. I found it to be a good mechanic and missed it when Skyrim removed it. I don't even fast travel and even I get into towns often enough to pay for repairs before items are 100% broke.
@Nodiee1
@Nodiee1 4 жыл бұрын
@@OGPatriot03 I tried repaying Oblivion not too long ago and my weapon would pretty consistently be on the verge of breaking about half way through missions. I had to install a mod that slowed down weapon degradation. I think I already had a mod that made enemies less damage-spongey too. I really don't see how it added anything to the game.
@andrewgodly5739
@andrewgodly5739 4 жыл бұрын
As someone who lived through it. No one thought the character models were good. They were criticized for bad models from release. But the graphics for items and landscape were praised.
@The_Fat_Turtle
@The_Fat_Turtle Жыл бұрын
The first time I heard the term "potato-face" is because of Oblivion. I'm sure it was used before the game, but it so perfectly described a lot of the NPC's here.
@steven7465
@steven7465 4 жыл бұрын
Alex and John, you guys are an absolute treasure. Love the commentary and nostalgia
@L4veyan
@L4veyan 4 жыл бұрын
This game has probably the most nostalgic soundtrack ever.
@JoeySav
@JoeySav 4 жыл бұрын
I love these kinds of videos from you guys, my favorite channel on youtube by far. On the weekends if i don't have anything planned and i'm not in the mood to play any games i usually just watch a lot of your guys videos. Thanks for all the work you guys do, it's appreciated.
@TheyBenefit
@TheyBenefit 4 жыл бұрын
One of the greatest games of all time. Will never forget when this came out and reading through the strategy guide for Xbox.
@DonkeyRhubarb21
@DonkeyRhubarb21 4 жыл бұрын
Hearing that music, I'm back there. I'm back playing this game those years ago and I feel so comfortable.
@zedsdeadbaby
@zedsdeadbaby 4 жыл бұрын
These videos are so fascinating, you should do more of these DF! Seeing old games with modern testing methods is cool
@SupertoastGT
@SupertoastGT 4 жыл бұрын
Objects left outside of a non player owned home disappear after around three days to prevent "Save file balooning." This helped to decrease memory usage and increase stability as well. Skyrim does this too, but at a different timing. I read so much about Oblivion's development before release because I was too hyped. XD Anyway, save file balooning was such an issue in Skyrim that once your save hit 10MB, the game started having tons of memory management issues. That combined with memory leaks, led to textures never fully loading, constant stuttering and increased crash rates. This is what they were trying to avoid.
@Sh-hg8kf
@Sh-hg8kf 4 жыл бұрын
On the switch version, I left an armor at JarlBalgruff's Palace, finished the story and came back to find it at the exact same place?
@mattp1680
@mattp1680 4 жыл бұрын
The moment when you step outside of the Imperial prison and are greeted with that view is one of my favourite moments in gaming. Spent hours exploring and looting before I even started the first quest. This may look dated now but in 2006, I was completely in awe. I enjoyed Skyrim but I never connected with it like I did with this game. So many memories
@Waddehaddeduddedaa
@Waddehaddeduddedaa 4 жыл бұрын
Oblivion was my first love, the first open World game I ever played. No other game had such an impact on me. The mystery, the freedom, the stories - it was an epic tale and my biggest gaming adventure.
@OGPatriot03
@OGPatriot03 4 жыл бұрын
Ditto. The majesty of it all remains completely unmatched IMO.
@TheDarkserpent
@TheDarkserpent 4 жыл бұрын
I didnt liked this game, thats why played it just 2300 hours.
@victorsegoviapalacios4710
@victorsegoviapalacios4710 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, just. God forbid you would played it a single hour more!!!
@Zepo94
@Zepo94 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I tend to play a lot of hours on games I hate too.
@patricknilsson4360
@patricknilsson4360 4 жыл бұрын
Do not write a review of it. You hardly spent the time needed to even do a first impression of the game. Shame!
@ThaexakaMavro
@ThaexakaMavro 4 жыл бұрын
yup i killed this game too
@TechnoMinarchist
@TechnoMinarchist 4 жыл бұрын
Probably didn't even make it out of the character creation menu!
@crisradax
@crisradax 4 жыл бұрын
I played this game last year as first time, damn looked good. They did a terrific work! I missed a lot of elements present in Oblivion, when played Skyrim again.
@ReTr093
@ReTr093 4 жыл бұрын
Skyrim is a shallow game in comparison. Sad part is that Oblivion wasn't the most intricate rpg in the first place.
@originalulix
@originalulix 4 жыл бұрын
Most important mod: OOO, Oscuro's Oblivion Overhaul. Fixes level scaling and makes the general gameplay, AI and everything a lot better.
@FusionC6
@FusionC6 4 жыл бұрын
Yup. I can't play without it. One of my mods was integrated into OOO, which allowed for a lot of the animal behavior you see. Really cool!
@KrunchyTheClown78
@KrunchyTheClown78 4 жыл бұрын
Best mod ever.
@WDeranged
@WDeranged 4 жыл бұрын
@Jordan Ghill What total bullshit. Most (non visual) mods increase difficulty and complexity.
@d9zirable
@d9zirable 4 жыл бұрын
@Jordan Ghill You could not be more closed minded...
@PegLegManlet
@PegLegManlet 4 жыл бұрын
Jordan Ghill worst take 2k20
@Canma890
@Canma890 Жыл бұрын
I was blown away by the game… when you got out of the sewers and you see those rolling green hills and you could explore it all, it was just great. 👌
@Peaman94
@Peaman94 4 жыл бұрын
4:45 You could leave items about a house! I filled out my house in Skingrad on the 360 with my unique items that I wasn't using. I was able to have them displayed about the rooms without putting them into chests or storage!
@rayfran06
@rayfran06 3 жыл бұрын
Thanking you for verifying that. I wanted to say my friend did that in a few houses in Oblivion. I believe on the 360 or PS3 if you put your cross hair over an object and hold RB or R1 you can move the object around. Maybe it's through the menu and then the UI drops and you take control of the objects. I just dumped all my items at the chest in the blades training room at Cloud Ruler Temple. Once I had a ton of stuff in there it took a bit to load the contents of the chest.
@jumbusdumbus59
@jumbusdumbus59 Жыл бұрын
They also got the view distance wrong when you apply the highest settings you also have to crank up the view distances in the pause menu.
@themooddoom9062
@themooddoom9062 4 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy this. Alex and John play very well together and I would love to see more and longer content like this where they just play a game describing stuff and talking about whatever. It's not realistic but I can dream.
@EcchiBANZAII-desu
@EcchiBANZAII-desu 4 жыл бұрын
The GT came out in October 2007 so this is a late 2007 mid-end "beast", while the 8800GTX came out the year before and was better.
@retrosimon9843
@retrosimon9843 4 жыл бұрын
I remember the 8800 GT as being the first cheaper card that could finally run Crysis somewhat decent haha
@jokerzwild00
@jokerzwild00 4 жыл бұрын
@@retrosimon9843 the GTS 320 is older and could run it kiiiinda ok-ish. Just no AA of course. It was the midrange card before the GT came out. I was happy with mine because I was using a 1440x900 monitor so the low vmem wasn't a huge burden most of the time. Actually played Oblivion for the first time with that card and an overclocked X2 3800 with 4gb of DDR1. The CPU and vmem held me back from running the highest settings, but it was good at mostly very high and a couple highs. Back then I didn't care quite as much about hitting a solid 60 fps, but it was close.
@EcchiBANZAII-desu
@EcchiBANZAII-desu 4 жыл бұрын
@@jokerzwild00 I was using two 19 inch 2048x1536 monitors back then which I still have. The 8800GTS 512 was the best of the mid range ones.
@HondaAccordPerformance
@HondaAccordPerformance 4 жыл бұрын
For a fair comparison they should be using an x1900xtx or 7900gtx since no dx10 cards were out when this game came out. Then they'd be stuck at 30 fps like the consoles showing that $500 pc gpus are never worth it. Oh wait you can no longer get a flagship card for $500.
@HondaAccordPerformance
@HondaAccordPerformance 4 жыл бұрын
@@EcchiBANZAII-desu I was using a 7600gt and 1gb of ram and an x3800 x2 processor in 2006 midrange in middle of 2006 before any dx10 cards were out.
@TheGameLecturer
@TheGameLecturer 4 жыл бұрын
19:50 It's so weird (and obviously a limitation) that he has only 1 shadow so the sun shadow rotates and becomes the fireball shadow and when the effect is over, the shadow takes its place back as a sun shadow... I don't recall seing that anywhere else.
@tamasmasable
@tamasmasable 4 жыл бұрын
Wasn't that a limitation with all forward rendered games?
@chrisrichfield8906
@chrisrichfield8906 4 жыл бұрын
Not that weird, pretty sure the light from the fireball would somewhat illuminate the shadow cast from the sun because it's way closer and super bright.
@flyingplantwhale545
@flyingplantwhale545 4 жыл бұрын
Recently tried the game out again into and it pulled me in right away. The music, bright colours, sense of mystery are so strong, I think they make up for the aged mechanics and bugs.
@FeeLtheHertZ
@FeeLtheHertZ 4 жыл бұрын
OK this was awesome, well done guys. Super listenable, very well presented and fair to all platforms IMO. ROCK on Alex, well done John. Mapping this one to the Like button.
@OGPatriot03
@OGPatriot03 4 жыл бұрын
They got details wrong though, specifically the fact that you can indeed place items anywhere in the world especially including homes.
@FeeLtheHertZ
@FeeLtheHertZ 4 жыл бұрын
@@OGPatriot03 That's fine, things happen, but they nail details right 10x better than other channels. Nothings perfect.
@KapitanKlaps
@KapitanKlaps 4 жыл бұрын
This is my favourite Elder Scrolls game. It just has such a great and magical atmosphere. It makes you wanna be in that world.
@JimJamsMusic
@JimJamsMusic 4 жыл бұрын
The comedic timing of "It doesn't look great" and the zoom in on the character model is perfect. Lol
@HeadacheCentral
@HeadacheCentral 2 жыл бұрын
My favourite memory of playing Oblivion back in 2012/2014? Getting out of the prison isle for the fourth or fifth time, at the time, and coming across a guard running somewhere. So I follow the guy for what feels like five minutes, and he finally arrives at the beach just to punt a mudcrab. I don't know why. It just always makes me crack up to remember that particular moment.
@GamingMyWholeLife
@GamingMyWholeLife 4 жыл бұрын
I had my first PC built just for this game as a teenager. The bump mapping that was used everywhere and the gorgeous graphics. Was really something special
@allangawron7645
@allangawron7645 4 жыл бұрын
21:30 You would probably enjoy Daggerfall Unity. It is a port of Daggerfall to the Unity engine, allowing it to be run natively on Windows and Linux. It is also moddable.
@joshuacalkins
@joshuacalkins 4 жыл бұрын
I am sure I had piles of items visible in ES4. It became increasingly glitchy (as with ES5), but I threw piles of shiny weapons into my fireplaces, and filled the wizard’s tower with dozens of staffs strewn about and jewels throughout the garden.
@OGPatriot03
@OGPatriot03 4 жыл бұрын
Yea, they got that wrong. Kinda sad because it was always an awesome feature in game that to this day many games don't care to include.
@MrPraveen7796
@MrPraveen7796 4 жыл бұрын
"Yesterday's pc", this is my pc today lool
@Koeras16
@Koeras16 4 жыл бұрын
Still working to this date ? nice.
@xyz2theb
@xyz2theb 4 жыл бұрын
rip
@DirEnGay
@DirEnGay 4 жыл бұрын
My dad's PC is a mash of parts up to 20 years old. I don't even know if he has a graphics card or if it's on-board, I never asked him. All I know is it "works" for what he uses it for, which is pretty much facebook, downloading apps for his raspberry pi, and KZfaq which 1080p60 lags hard for him, he has to watch on 720p lol.
@VampireNoblesse
@VampireNoblesse 4 жыл бұрын
watching them play 1st person with keyboard/ mouse hurts my eyes.., so jankey / un- smooth moving and turning of the camera.. atmospheric 1st person games should be played with 2 Analog sticks
@comp1ex3
@comp1ex3 4 жыл бұрын
@@VampireNoblesse are you for real
@jonathanxdoe
@jonathanxdoe 4 жыл бұрын
I still remember everything like they are describing it. From the amazing metal reflections on the armors in the early screenshots to the smooth stone bricks inside the tombs... Ah the memories... Now I realize I could have learned a couple of languages in the same time XD
@OGPatriot03
@OGPatriot03 4 жыл бұрын
But by inspiring people to learn how to mod their game, they've created new CG artists, game developers, and I'm sure people were even inspired by the music.
@sickbrain
@sickbrain 4 жыл бұрын
This game still looks great. Just look at the grass, bushes and flowers when going through the wood. This is not modded version and vegetation looks straight up better than vanilla Skyrim. I just like the look of Oblivion in general. Bloom makes it look like a true magical place. Another game where bloom level really jumps out when you first start playing is Guild Wars 1.
@Loundsify
@Loundsify 4 жыл бұрын
Counterstrike source was full of bloom also, which made aiming a pain in the ass on dust and dust 2, you were literally blind for 2s lol
@sickbrain
@sickbrain 4 жыл бұрын
@@Loundsify absolutely
@ryangross714
@ryangross714 4 жыл бұрын
I love Oblivion and Skyrim, but Skyrim's vegetation definitely looks better than Oblivion's, especially on the Special Edition. Trees are the biggest change as they aren't just 15 leaf bundles that move independently, but look at stuff like alchemical plants. Nightshade and Deathbell alone blow Oblivion out of the water.
@AgsmaJustAgsma
@AgsmaJustAgsma 4 жыл бұрын
"Have you heard of the high elves?" *[Hurts himself to death while eating an orange]*
@chrisrichfield8906
@chrisrichfield8906 4 жыл бұрын
Brgahw!
@crativ3
@crativ3 4 жыл бұрын
BTW that "POM" you guys are talking about isn't POM, but the simpler parallax solution. It goes by several names, Offset mapping, offset parallax mapping, or just parallax mapping. Just like POM, Relief, and other texture displacement mapping techniques, it displaces the UV coordinated of a texture based on a height map. But unlike POM or Relief mapping, it doesn't build it's displacement based on tracing rays into the texture. The regular old parallax mapping was used in several games back in the mid to late 2000's. I remember Halo 3 through Reach used it on the wheels and tracks on vehicles for the bumps and stuff.
@ichrismoku
@ichrismoku 4 жыл бұрын
Just watching this as I reinstall Oblivion and prepare to annihilate it with every mod known to man. Pray for my install folder.
@Whiltshire_Staysharp
@Whiltshire_Staysharp 4 жыл бұрын
I used to install mods but then I took an arrow to the knee.
@thewanderingartists
@thewanderingartists 4 жыл бұрын
Amen!
@Frellyouall
@Frellyouall 4 жыл бұрын
Don't forget the unofficial fan patch
@Gaboou
@Gaboou 4 жыл бұрын
Mod it till it breaks (which was really easily achieved with Oblivion...)! xP
@LivingxPrime
@LivingxPrime 4 жыл бұрын
This was the first Elder Scrolls game I played on PC (built it for Battlefield 3 a bit over 9 years back or so), and took a few days to get everything set up. Ohh how pleasantly surprised I was with this game with Beautiful Cities, unique landscapes, ambient wildlife, advanced weather packages, advanced guard AI, clear water and more made this mug feel like a sequel. Wonderful experience
@renegeeder
@renegeeder 4 жыл бұрын
Ah Oblivion, I was so happy that with a patch I was able to lower the graphics and resolution so it would be sort of playable, didn't know what FPS was and nor did I care. It was a beautiful time. Now if it's not 1080p/60, I get very unhappy. (unless it's on consoles) :P
@OGPatriot03
@OGPatriot03 4 жыл бұрын
I refuse to play anything below 90 FPS.
@Two49
@Two49 4 жыл бұрын
PC gaming has ruined me, honestly.
@mermaidman961
@mermaidman961 4 жыл бұрын
@@Two49 me too, sometimes I'll pop an old game in on console and I'll be all like, I don't know how I use to play it like this! But the truth is I used to play it just fine. Fps and resolution didn't even exist to me, there was only the game and I miss that a lot.
@artofwar420
@artofwar420 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome stuff! Love the old RPG talk.
@wile123456
@wile123456 4 жыл бұрын
a cool thing you could do for this series is reload the games up on a new PC and run some reshade colourgrading and RTGI to see how much you can improve it with minimal tweaking
@TheGaluMoD
@TheGaluMoD 4 жыл бұрын
You can increase the distance that foliage renders in the options menu. I remember hating how closely in front of you it draws in but increasing it had a massive impact on framerate back in the day
@nahuelcutrera
@nahuelcutrera 4 жыл бұрын
I remember being totally amaze with that cirodyl shot at the begining of the game, man I loved that game to death back in 06, I played it with an nvidia 6600 and an athlon 64 3000+
@philipcooper8297
@philipcooper8297 4 жыл бұрын
Q6600 was a chip way ahead of its time. The best aging CPU I've ever owned. Then, after 10 years or so, I got i5 6600 and it got old (slow) very soon after the launch.
@ggzii
@ggzii 4 жыл бұрын
Chips dont "stay fast". There just hasn't been advancements. Now there has so its gets "slow" quickly but its still fast
@AceTechHD
@AceTechHD 4 жыл бұрын
Philip Cooper I still use an i5 6600k daily and it kicks ass. Maybe you needed to change the thermal paste.
@philipcooper8297
@philipcooper8297 4 жыл бұрын
​@@ggzii The thing was, back in the day, many games were still made to run on a single core CPU, some would benefit from dual core chips. The Q6600 was alright for that, perhaps a bit slower in comparison with core 2 duo chips, that were clocked faster out of the box. Then however, the game developers started using multiple threads in their games, so while the dual core chips got obsolete, the Q6600 finally got fully utiliazed. There also came games, that would not even run on dual core CPUs anymore. That's why the Q6600 aged well. Also the Xbox 360 and PS3 held back the game devs, which also helped to prolong the gaming life of the Q6600.
@philipcooper8297
@philipcooper8297 4 жыл бұрын
@@AceTechHD Why would that help?
@letterman4290
@letterman4290 4 жыл бұрын
Q6600 was an excellent chip but soon was outperformed significantly by new "I" series. I have it for 12 years and didn't upgrade it but bought a new PC with i9. That was a real difference in performance!
@killertruth186
@killertruth186 4 жыл бұрын
Also Morrowind was supposed to include the Mainland as well.
@TheSlobizm
@TheSlobizm 4 жыл бұрын
You guys could compare final version with first E3 gameplay trailer that had soft shadows for all geometry and the infamous radiant AI...great video btw, I can't wait for you guys to revisit Far Cry 1 (please do the 64bit comparison and make sure you run it on Win XP for proper water reflections). You can also revisit Splinter Cell 1/PT and address the issues that it has with modern cards (mandatory 6xxx or 7xxx nvidia cards to have proper lights / shadows in those games).
@androsforever500
@androsforever500 4 жыл бұрын
I had the 9800m GTS, used to play at 1920x1200 on my laptop. Man did I love that old Gateway P7805u-FX!
@cookman08
@cookman08 4 жыл бұрын
This is my favorite DF series right now.
@Inhuman0
@Inhuman0 4 жыл бұрын
Good Lord. My 6800GT remembers this game ! It was painful to say the least. Ended up playing it for real on my 8800gt. 1280*1024 it ran well enough.
@magiccarpets
@magiccarpets 4 жыл бұрын
8800 GTS. Same resolution. Good memories!
@__Generic
@__Generic 4 жыл бұрын
Same! When the game came out I payed it on my 6800GT and Athlon 64 3200+ (Single Core) with 1GB of Ram. I'm sure you also spent hours tweaking everything in the ini file and overclocking just to get every last frame you could. Fun times.
@d4t6ix
@d4t6ix 4 жыл бұрын
Damn, i had a 6600GT and played this at 1024x768 on a 17" CRT. I was in high school and obviously had no money for upgrades, but this rig got me through so many games. I have amazing memories of those times.
@RyanBurnsRed
@RyanBurnsRed 4 жыл бұрын
I had a 6800GT. Doom 3 was a slideshow and I couldn't play my new copy of The Sims 3 due to the card not having pixel shader or something. Upgraded to a EVGA 9800GT and didn't look back. Good times
@OGPatriot03
@OGPatriot03 4 жыл бұрын
5:19 You COULD leave items in your house in Oblivion, In Skyrim you had to drop the items on the floor, leave, and then come back in to place them but in Oblivion you could just place them anywhere you wanted. The items dropped by bandits when you kill them in the open world actually remain.
@Riquinni
@Riquinni 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I was like wtf are they talking about.
@AIIEYESONME
@AIIEYESONME 3 жыл бұрын
Right? that function goes hand in hand with the infamous "Save Bloat" that all legacy bugs built in the Gamebryo engine share, all the way to FO4 and 76.
@GamingYoshi64
@GamingYoshi64 9 күн бұрын
Remember seeing this game at a friends house on his Xbox 360. This, Skyrim, and New Vegas were some of the first games i picked up when i got my gaming computer in 2013
@friggindoc
@friggindoc 4 жыл бұрын
I love listening to you guys geek out. I had an overclocked quad q6600 and 2x 8800GTX in SLI at that time and yeah it could run Crysis!
@jenesuispasbavard
@jenesuispasbavard 4 жыл бұрын
My first game on the Xbox 360! I was blown away by the music and atmosphere at the time. Good times!
@Derpington95
@Derpington95 4 жыл бұрын
Edit: For all the zoomers out there make sure you first download the qarl III texture pack. It's essential. This game is something else when it comes to running it. Ryzen 3600 and GTX1070 and can get like 40 fps in cities while nothing is being utilised. Also editing the .ini file can enable a lot of cool stuff, like water reflections of...well everything, making the torch cast shadows and letting the game use more ram, etc. Poured so many hours into Oblivion back in the day.
@paladin07
@paladin07 3 жыл бұрын
It is cool to hear them comment things I did not notice.
@hristo.bogdanov
@hristo.bogdanov 4 жыл бұрын
Alex is doing exactly what I do every time I get my grubby hands on character creation.
@Pedro_The_Neco
@Pedro_The_Neco 4 жыл бұрын
I hereby decree this the best channel on KZfaq!
@krono5el
@krono5el 4 жыл бұрын
Music gave me some nam flashbacks with how many incredible hours i put into this game : P
@HauntedCorpseGaming
@HauntedCorpseGaming 4 жыл бұрын
Really enjoying this nostalgic series.
@Tenders7800X3D
@Tenders7800X3D 4 жыл бұрын
Never thought Digital Foundry would go back old school! So nice :)
@GideonCyn
@GideonCyn 4 жыл бұрын
Going from the likes of The Prince of Persia (any of the big three) to Oblivion one Christmas night in 2006 was utterly mind blowing and will forever be with me as one of the happiest moments of my life. My gran got me it, who sadly passed this year and every time i hear that damn OST i start to tear up. Thank you Bethesda for this, and I love you gran.
@LivingxPrime
@LivingxPrime 4 жыл бұрын
What are you all talking about with non persistent dropped items in a home? Maybe it only applies to your own home in the game but I most definitely had a house that would drag my FPS to the floor on the 360 because I would line the shelves with Sigil Stones. Those noisy glowing balls did not disappear. Now trying to rely on a barrel or something to store goods out in a city (e.g. stashing stolen items) would disappear due to the loot pools in them resetting at specific time intervals.
@jarg8
@jarg8 4 жыл бұрын
4:45 You could leave items out in Morrowind but if you dropped too many items on the ground in a house, you'd come back and everything would be put in the various crates, dressers, and other containers in the game. I remember there was one house I would always use as my home and I would essentially make it into a museum of unique artifacts and items I didn't want to sell. After a while, they'd all disappear and I'd find them in all the containers.
@PicksterTG
@PicksterTG 4 жыл бұрын
Im pretty sure, the first appearance of trees like that was in the 3D Mark 2001 Nature Scene. Im so sure, I'll even say you can quote me... and I have not googled this fact (yet).
@hooblefloob
@hooblefloob 4 жыл бұрын
Great vid from the dynamic duo
@badgoogle9938
@badgoogle9938 4 жыл бұрын
I do enjoy it when these two get together talking about a game
@MrSancezzio
@MrSancezzio 4 жыл бұрын
CRAB BATTLE!!! Thanks for reminding me of that great and insane mgs vid
@TimHoekstra
@TimHoekstra 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this!
@Padam91
@Padam91 2 ай бұрын
What an interesting analysis of the technological and graphical aspects of this iconic game. When the game was released, my brothers and I had a very underpowered PC for running it. Later around 2007 I built a PC with 8800 GTS 320 MB and Core 2 Duo E4500. Obviously in light of this video the CPU would have bottlenecked the setup quite a bit especially for this game. However, back then I wouldn't even dare expect very smooth or consistent gameplay. This era of gaming lives forever in my heart, and the HDR bloom effects make them feel even more like beautiful flashes from the past. Xbox 360 and PS3 were also extremely iconic and the console war was very interesting to follow.
@PikaStu666
@PikaStu666 4 жыл бұрын
When Oblivion came out I’d just bought a Turion powered laptop. It ran it fairly well surprisingly, mid-settings at 720/768p. Impressive looking game, I remember the back of the box said something along the lines of “the next generation is here”!
@Arbiter099
@Arbiter099 4 жыл бұрын
12:19 I don't know if I'll leave this place alive! CRAB BATTLE!
@gurleyman104
@gurleyman104 4 жыл бұрын
While I've never been a big fan of the elder scrolls series. This game's music has some of the most memorable songs I've ever heard in a video game.
@zipzeolocke2
@zipzeolocke2 4 жыл бұрын
I always thought something was a little off with the lighting in oblivion. Especially the ruins being so bright white like they were glowing
@megavolnutt4629
@megavolnutt4629 Жыл бұрын
The earliest example of parallax occlusion maps I remember seeing was SoulCalibur II. I had it on GCN and the level with the Yin Yang in the center of the floor uses it. It absolutely blew my 15-year-old mind
@technologylord4017
@technologylord4017 4 жыл бұрын
Dell sold this exact same configuration back in the day of which included the Q6600 CPU & 8800GT GPU as I think it was around $1200 dollar’s, and might’ve included a small monitor for the price !
@sanders2strong
@sanders2strong 4 жыл бұрын
love how ur sneak level keeps leveling in the start spot lol
@teacherfromthejungles6671
@teacherfromthejungles6671 4 жыл бұрын
11:35 these bushes from 2006 look better than the trees in Pokemon from 2019
@threecats8219
@threecats8219 2 жыл бұрын
Question please. ... I played on 8600M GT with 512MB of vRAM on a laptop. I was getting anywhere from 22fps up to maybe 45fps, using FRAPS. I didn't use V-sync, however what was odd is that I do not remember screen-tearing. Maybe I really just didn't remember it. However I do not remember screen tearing in Doom 3 either. I can't help thinking that I must have thought of sceen tearing as was what games did, and ignored it. What's confusing me now though, is that screen-tearing gets bad in some games. It can stop us playing if it gets bad enough. .... I just can't figure out what was happening back then. What it left me thinking was, why do monitors now pretty much need 60fps, even with adaptive-sync monitors. When way back then on a laptop screen (monitor), as long as I had over 24fps, it was smooth. Notably here when the frame rate dips under 60fps with v-sync on, there is not stuttering or screen-tear.
@thischannelhasaclevername5481
@thischannelhasaclevername5481 4 жыл бұрын
I wished this was longer! What's the rush?
@dreammfyre
@dreammfyre 4 жыл бұрын
This game still holds up for me. And it’s crazy how much headroom we have over it right now, and games still manages to run like absolute shit. Even OG Skyrim ran at a locked 60fps on my old GTX460. The fact that we have games still not hitting 60fps on like a 970 is baffling to me.
@nadirjofas3140
@nadirjofas3140 4 жыл бұрын
old card
@ExOrziSt123
@ExOrziSt123 4 жыл бұрын
I remember playing this when it came out on a laptop with a Pentium M processor and Radeon X700 mobile graphics. But even in low details it still looked very good at that time, especially the dungeons and the foliage. And it was a step forward in gameplay.
@smaller_cathedrals
@smaller_cathedrals 4 жыл бұрын
I played Oblivion on my Xbox 360. And I enjoyed it, despite the flaws (which, to be fair, at this time didn't even register as flaws). Looking back, this now reminds me of simpler times, when there was no debate on how a game runs on different platforms, different setups, which one would be the best, how to improve performance, visual fidelity, etc. etc. I put the disc into the console, and that was it. Hundreds and hundreds of hours of pure excitement, that would turn into unforgettable memories. And all that on a 360.
@Nates5212
@Nates5212 Жыл бұрын
Morrowind was big, but Oblivion put Elder Scrolls on the map at least for me, it was the first one I played and I was mesmerized. I’d hit signs with my sword and watch them swing back and forth. It was such a next-gen experience for middle school me.
@kamranki
@kamranki 4 жыл бұрын
This video was a surprise! A good surprise too!
@donoroko
@donoroko 4 жыл бұрын
i remember going to the local games store asking for something to stress my new budget gaming pc. they gave me this "oblivion". at the Beginning, in the dungeon, I thought the guy from the store knew nothing about games. boy, was I wrong when I walked out and cranked those graphic sliders all the way. damn.
@duedah837
@duedah837 4 жыл бұрын
There's more graphic settings in the options like grass, terrain, and tree sliders for view distance I don't think you turned up.
@OGPatriot03
@OGPatriot03 4 жыл бұрын
Yea, after setting it to ultra you have to go in advanced and turn it even higher.
@backudog
@backudog 4 жыл бұрын
This was the game that got me excited about getting an Xbox 360, didn't have a pc at the time, & seeing screenshots in gaming mags I couldn't believe how good it looked and couldn't wait to get my 360! I was not disappointed.
@CastleBomb44
@CastleBomb44 4 жыл бұрын
My old GTX 770 keeps chugging along; i love still jumping into Oblivion in 2020.
@ryanak
@ryanak 4 жыл бұрын
Loved this on XBox 360...I got the special edition with the physical coin extra 😆 the HUD/GUI for items is way better here than Skyrim, agreed
@LivingxPrime
@LivingxPrime 4 жыл бұрын
Completely agree on sentiments about a leveling world, especially with how broken it was in this game without exploitation or mods; i.e., picking a class with primary/major skills you rarely use, manipulating the difficulty slider, or leveraging the stacking mechanics in spells.
@megapro125
@megapro125 4 жыл бұрын
1:24 with Athletic/Acrobatics 100 you can see this ingame^^
@OGPatriot03
@OGPatriot03 4 жыл бұрын
No lol, it doesn't render the other districts when you're in one of them.
@megapro125
@megapro125 4 жыл бұрын
@@OGPatriot03 it was a joke because with very high stats you can pretty much jump as high as the city walls in TES IV
@ryangross714
@ryangross714 4 жыл бұрын
Dude I remember when magic stacking was still a thing and my friend and I boosted a character's Acrobatics to some ridiculous level and jumped. We left the game on for a veeeery long time and the character was still in the air.
@marioe.4400
@marioe.4400 3 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know the specific term for that "rotating tree effect"? Just Cause did it too (which was understandable, given the scale), but was really taken by surprise when even Persona 5 used it, and more dissapointed to know that something as recent as Gran Turismo Sports and Driveclub implemented such "old tech"... It's also present in smaller fire effects on Resident Evil 3's Remake.
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