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@@juanitadlamini5784 DITTO!!! And the history and old photos are so amazing. He has a lovely voice !

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@ ridiculousspider I agree. That woman tried on so many occasions to reach out for help and to find a suitable caregiver for John,to no avail. Then,after she acted in desperation and the poor child lost his life, everyone wanted to be judgemental and call her a terrible person. I could see if she just killed her son in cold blood,or because she wanted a man who didnt want to be bothered with him,but I am leaning heavily on the belief that she was so desperately poor and couldn't bear to see her child suffer any longer because she couldn't provide for him adequately. Not that killing him was right, because it wasn't,but she was acting in desperation.

Yup.

Still happens today unfortunately

I’m a catholic and the Catholic Church Should be ashamed to do such a thing to a mother and her child

I was thinking about that too. That his life was meaningless until they could use the story to punish a woman whose life also never mattered until they could condemn her for society's failing. And honestly, this story is sadly still very relevant and its warnings still go unheeded.

Great question!

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The baby daddy.

@@TheRedsofine the husband who died of typhoid cuz of how disgusting and disease ridden the city was? Thats not how this works.

No competition the so called religious and authorities

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It sounds like she didn't cope with them very well at all.

Martha Harnish: I totally agree with you how well this tragic story was recounted. Brief Case, you did a brilliant job of conveying God’s view that mercy is better than judgment.

@@CashelOConnolly Why do a lot of Irish always resort to blaming the British? It's tragic what your grandparents had to endure but those tragedies happened in Britain as well and to protestants too. The Catholic church has never been as caring as they like us to believe, look at the reality of the Magdalene laundries eg. Ireland has always thought too highly of the Catholic church and it ruled them even more than the British did. Here in Liverpool back in the C19 there was a situation were some Catholic people were so poor they couldn't afford to bury their dead loved ones. They literally slept with the corpses, the church did nothing, finally it got so bad the protestant community disgusted by their predicament raised funds and arranged to have a temporary morgue built, it eventually became a church named All Souls.

@@CashelOConnolly you talk nonsence ,the death rate had nothing to do with what religion you were ,it's because there were so many fatal childhood diseases. My. Grandparents lost ,,8 out of their 12 children . 3 of them in two weeks.most of those childhood diseases no longer exist

Yes, 19th century Society failed Emma Williams, but it also failed little John Williams. Emma had very few options, but John had none.

I'm pretty sure that if men could get pregnant, and their morality was viewed in the same vent as women's, Emma would have had more favorable options.

@@cidb.212 1000%

@@cidb.212 ; Emma was a female and John was a male, and I see both of their death as being equally tragic, but apparently you only mourn for Emma. That smacks of sexism.

@@oldgysgt I was commenting on Emma's situation, not her death so it doesn't really qualify as "mourning". Her situation was directly related to her gender, THAT'S sexism.

You are so right. It had to be so. I often see my grandmother's face and see the pain, the depression, her sadness, her hard life and know she never had the resources we have today...the knowledge...sad. So sad 😢😢😢.

And don't forget the lack of aide that Emma so desperately searched for only to be denied over and over again. I don't think this was a mental issue so much as hardship with nowhere to go for assistance. But you're right... postpartum and other mental illnesses went undiagnosed for the majority.

Or lived in desperate poverty.

What kind of depression did the murdered children have as a result of...you know....being murdered by their poor, depressed mums? So sad.

She callously murdered her child. Yeah, she received no help, but @uck her, she killed her child.

She literally would have had to sit there and watch him DIE, suffering for days. Is that what she was supposed to do? And I know your answer is a stupid, She could have found help. No, she couldn't.

@@lazyhomebody1356 I said, because she couldn't get help, she drowned him. They then turned on her, after she drowned him to keep him from a slow, painful death.

@@F40PH-2CAT She didn't "callously murder her child.

@@tinaharnish I'm sorry, I was talking to the guy who replied. I obviously agree with you!

The problem isn’t just that she murdered him it’s that she chose such a cruel and brutal way to do it . It erases a ton of the sympathy I had for her .I’ve almost drowned before the burning and pain in your chest and the panic and fear it’s horrific . She tied that little boy to a rock and tossed him in to suffer a terrible end.

What a sad tragic story my heart breaks for her and her poor little boy how uncaring those magistrates who would not let her put her little boy into care what cruel times

@@maureengillies9495 Yes Maureen they were dreadful times & Women didn't stand a chance. Love from Africa. 🐘.

@@maureengillies9495 I guess they were trying to seperate themselves from 'evil'

Other people coped with poverty but didnt murder children

@@laurielovett8849 Other people did not walk in the woman's shoes. If they did they would do the same including you.

@@taniabudimir3835 Do you know who can't walk a mile in anyone's shoes? Her murdered child.

I was with you right up until she tied him to a rock and tossed him in the water alive to drown. It was a cruel and heartless way to take his life and he most certainly suffered . It erased all my sympathy for her tbh.

@@missyrose2154 I cannot argue that at all.

@@missyrose2154 well said and agreed. My compassion is foremost to the entirely innocent child. Victims are inexplicably forgotten by too many. Many mothers have literally died for their children. Take the woman who died of dehydration when at sea, but her child was at her breast and saved by the drops of milk she produced despite her thirsting to death. Not the only self sacrificing mother in history

"I do not condone what she did"....All you did was condone what she did! LOL!

@@larmondoflairallen4705 Sympathizing with a situation is not condoning someone's actions. I am glad everything is completely black and white in your little corner of space though.

There was no welfare back then, no government authority to take responsibility for the child.

@@janetpendlebury6808 maybe not but the church could have helped.

@@fionamacro7795 she went to the church, but they refused to help.

@@MurasakiFujiwara that is my point

@@fionamacro7795 they harm and sexually abuse kids. Why on earth would the church help her?

U right,they had very little help ,fifty years ago

Theres still not much help today. Believe me. And worse now a lot of services are cut due to covid.

What help did she need to not murder her child?

There's not that much help today either

Amen

And why wasn't the child baptized? Because she didn't have money. Real Christian love, right?

Because the Catholic Church doesn’t care about anyone or anything except it’s control over others.

Jesus was baptized at age 30 not as a baby. Where does the Catholic Church expect more from people than what’s in the Bible. Babies are only baptized so the church can collect more money. Turning away a child is heartless. A child doesn’t have enough knowledge to make spiritual decisions. Taking care of the needy children, not once did the Bible ask if they were baptized, they are CHILDREN!!

That's how things were done back then.

The Catholic church helps millions. You don't know what you're talking about.

Exactly. Not to mention that baby John was conceived in marriage...

@@irena4545 Very good point

Emma was married when the baby was conceived, that is said in the video, however her husband died before the baby was born

You are so dense and immature not to accept the fact that men and woman are just made differently! Grow up! Men are just naturally more quick to have a roll in the hay than women, who usually need more relationship first. Just the way the genders are different. Obviously this is why a parent would be upset and claim statutory rape in the case of a daughter. But how many parents are claiming statutory rape when a 16 yr. old boy has relations with his 19 yr. old girlfriend. See how it works! Its just different and you know it. But it is immoral outside of the marriage covenant according to the bible whether its a man or a woman. But I'm just talking about people who do as they please no matter what God thinks. Men are more aggressive and easily aroused so women need to be even more careful of the situations they put themselves in.

@@Dion-rz3fz You are correct. But women have been so mistreated for so long that people do react that way. Most of my (female) friends act like guys,lol.

Agreed. They didn't care when he lived, but they all cared oh-so-much when he was dead. Disgusting.

The primary caregiver murdered her own child. She is the primary source of evil here.

@@F40PH-2CAT you sound like a raging mysogynist.

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@@elinalukaziak693 You sound like a raging leftist that can't accept reality because it contradicts your feelings.

Couldn’t have said it better! Poor wee one

I can't imagine hurting one of my children ! However desperate people d

Desperate people do Desperate things

@@michelekossack1861 If the child were already dead, even an adult, the means for survival are necessary. I do not see it as taboo. Plenty killed their horses to survive and other animals. Survival is a primal reaction. This woman, however, was an unfit mother and murdered her child instead of dropping him off at the Salvation Army. That is not desperate, that is selfish and cruel.

@@Sorchia56 she kept dropping her kid off to places and the police kept giving him back. The only other place she could take him to be taken care of was heaven. And no they murdered their kids to eat them during famine it happened when the soviets were doing their genocide of Ukraine and during the china "reformation yrs".

Has it not occurred to you that perhaps she murdered her other babies

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The Poor child. Her neck was stretched for good reason.Maybe if more monsters suffered the same fate as this witch, there maybe less child abuse.

Hurts me to This person couldnt get help anywhere She should have just joined that church

I know ! They wouldn't help just because the child was not baptized in the Catholic Church . I don't get it!

It’s because it’s not a church. The definition of church is people, believers on Christ. They believe on the Pope

Women are treated deporable now.

Shecould have joined that church had him baptized and got help

@@lindaarrington9397 the church should have just given help and not be disgusting hypocrites.

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Absolutely, so tragic. It happened too often that when a womans husband died the woman would end up in poverty. It happened to a woman in 1888, forced into walking the streets at night to survive, ended up a victim of Jack the ripper.

She kind of reminded me of Frankenstein's monster!😂

@@meemurthelemur4811 sort of, yes.

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She looks like my wife.

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I think it would have been pretty good actually, IF you had lots of money. Because you would have had servants to do almost every dirty job you didn't want to do. From emptying and cleaning the chamber pots, to hitching up the carriage, to making your clothes, etc... etc...At that time before income tax when you made a dollar it was a dollar. So wealth really went far. Beautiful ornate mansions with full staff of servants, only the finest of tailor made clothes, and furnishings. Even most rich people now don't have the luxury of a full staff of servants. BUT, just stay healthy because they couldn't do that much for you when you got diseases no matter how much money you had. So most likely a much shorter life.

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@Nikki Lauren Lol many ppl on here have said the exact same thing as I. The Catholic 'mould' I was referring to was THEY turned her away as the child wasnt baptised and therefore, they failed to extend any compassion or demonstrate any empathy. And please dont try to imply the Catholic Church were short of 'funds' as they were and are the epitome of wealth. Your final query is irrelevant as she didnt approach any other religious institution for help so we cannot know how others would have responded.

@Nikki Lauren There were not so many orphanages back then and were probably very crowded, the one run by the church turned her away as the child was not baptised.

@Nikki Lauren Getting stuff from the groceries, get it?!?!??!!

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@Katherine McDonnell As someone who has LOST their autistic little brother, how dare you. Leave the op alone, they're just going about their day.

I can’t understand people hurting or killing their children. If you are going to hurt them why have them. I could only have one child before I contact cancer. I lived but I couldn’t have any more children. I love my son very much and yes he was spoiled but he was my only child so so what. My oldest sister had two kids and she treated like shit. And I use to hate that I was too young at the time to take them away and raise them. I just hate people that have kids and don’t take care of them or hurt them and for a long time I did hate my sister for they way she was towards her kids. Children are a blessing. Yes some children are evil and you have to watch for them but that’s rare.

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A victim yes, but that still does not justify murder under any circumstances, especially considering the victim was a 2 year old child. She had options, she opted not to use them.

@@tomspreadbury2915 What are the options you speak of?

@@redhed515 orphanage, adoption centers for unwanted children charities like the Salvation Army. If she ACTUALLY went to the Salvation Army he would have lived, the lie she told, if in reality she did it, would have saved his life Another option is to care for her son herself. As horrible as it is and as difficult as it was, persevering through difficulty is simply a much better choice than killing

@@tomspreadbury2915 I wont try to excuse what she did but orphanages back then quite often (depending on where in the world of course) didn't just take in your child if you couldn't take care of it. They were for actual orphans, so children whos parents were unknown or dead, sometimes for children of prisoners when they didn't have family to take care of them. Children were your problem and noone had the money or means to take care of them when there was a parent around. The church didn't help her because the child wasn't christened (which is the biggest wtf to me but then again not really that surprising...) the salvation army didn't help, you claiming she lied about that is beyond my understanding because if she just wanted to kill the boy she would have done so way sooner. Again, I'm not saying what she did was right but just claiming 'she should have just gotten it together and taken the help she was offered (which was none as far as we know)' sounds to me like a great misuderstanding of how life was and worked back then. Lots of women were able to pull it off, even more were not.

@@gggthsb rewatch the video. She claimed she took her son/was taking her son to the Salvation Army. She never did. She could have, but she never did. Besides my main point is that if she couldn’t find care, she should have continued to care for him herself. Obviously her situation was awful, but it doesn’t excuse murder.

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Keep telling these stories from Victorian times. I love listening to your channel. Don't start telling "modern crimes." There's a million and one channels covering them already! They all cover the same stories. Love you're content. Thank you.

And people in some countries want to return to the old days of no social safety nets.

The lengths some people reach to excuse child killers is amazing... her babys father passed away, hence why he wasn't held responsible. Emma was guilty for ending a defenseless childs life

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I would have left him on a police station doorstep and told myself he found a good home....

@@lazyhomebody1356 but if he was able to walk (and I imagine at two yrs old he was) you would have to worry about him walking off or getting away,esp if nobody was present at the time. Again, I'm not condoning murder on any level, but who knows what was actually going on at the time? I just always try to imagine myself in the other person's shoes,and God only knows the desperation and hopelessness she was probably feeling. I don't know. It was a terribly sad story all the way around. May the poor baby RIP.

@@lovelyj7540 Put him inside the doors? I don't blame her at all. If she was religious she might have thought he would be better off in heaven. She couldn't even get someone to watch him while she earned money for them, so yeah....

She ruined HSR own life by her own bad choices, why should everyone else run to help her,and neglect their own families.if there is only enough to go around,you care for your own first,that's what she should have done

@@laurielovett8849 I was talking about the church